whats up with the pictomancer hate

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Originally Posted by Nihility

personally i don't mind the colors or the sounds or the effects, it's just the sheer size of the weapon and the way they try to treat it like it's a little wand sized paintbrush in all the animations.

it's like... just maddening to me i hate it so much. Fully aware it's irrational too but it's such a strong negative response every time i see it.
Kind of funny the people that play FFXIV at the lgs i go to for board games and magic and whatnot actually feel the exact same way about it which is somewhat relieving that it's not just some strange personal tick

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To be honest, I get turned off by a lot of things, but seeing all the crazy weapons you can get in this game, I'm sorry but its just you and the minority that somehow find it off putting if the brush somehow THAT was your threshold.

Its not that weird.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

No I made it my signature because it's a banger post. I dont even do savage in PF which should be extremely obvious to anyone with knowledge on how to look. How's your savage journey going tho?

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man this is petty. both of u should bl eachother and move on

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

exactly the point im making. why are u acting like they wouldnt improve this too in the future if they genuinly felt it wasnt right. but i think this was part of sakaguchis intention. (you know hes working on 14 now too right?)

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My point is they need to fix both the VFX and SFX before DT releases in response to criticism.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

as if theyve never improved that kinda thing before?

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But, you need to work on your sentence framing and punctuation. This can read multiple ways. I took it to mean you were counter to the point of the possibility of the team making changes to the art assets.

Only class I care about is Beastmaster that's coming out. Maybe if Pictomancer wasn't so cartoonish it wouldn't have all the hate. To me it looks dumb the class and looks like belongs to little kid's game. Relm so didn't look cartoonish in FFVI.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Only class I care about is Beastmaster that's coming out. Maybe if Pictomancer wasn't so cartoonish it wouldn't have all the hate. To me it looks dumb the class and looks like belongs to little kid's game. Relm so didn't look cartoonish in FFVI.

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To be fair, she was also only a 16x24 pixel sprite.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Only class I care about is Beastmaster that's coming out. Maybe if Pictomancer wasn't so cartoonish it wouldn't have all the hate. To me it looks dumb the class and looks like belongs to little kid's game. Relm so didn't look cartoonish in FFVI.

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I doubt many people will believe me when I say this isn't bait, but I think their choice of aesthetic for Pictomancer will be good for the game in the long run. After having seen it, the style looks less like something that's out of place, as more like a thing the game was missing and will be better for having. It's a style that will appeal to a lot of people, and let's not forget, the cutesy aesthetic is in no way even remotely new to XIV. The only place this sort of theme was missing was in combat itself, in the players hands. It's good that it finally is.

I don't care if something is cute, but I do care if the aesthetic fits the game. The skills I saw in the gameplay video do not fit the game imo. Viper, as generic as it is fits the game, Pictomancer does not.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

My point is they need to fix both the VFX and SFX before DT releases in response to criticism.



But, you need to work on your sentence framing and punctuation. This can read multiple ways. I took it to mean you were counter to the point of the possibility of the team making changes to the art assets.

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need is a strong word lol. i personally dont see this need

also the grammar was correct "as if theyve never done that before" is a question. im asking you a question. im not telling you they havent. im asking you

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

also the grammar was correct "as if theyve never done that before" is a question. im asking you a question. im not telling you they havent. im asking you

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To be fair, I also read that as if you're being sarcastic when asking.
You can be grammatically correct but still not be clear in what you're saying.

My only issue (more of a worry) with the job is it seems like another DNC or NIN type job, where it's up to you to remember all the combos. Not for me.

Going off of what we've been shown so far my interest in Pictomancer is less than zero, and that's fine with me. Every job doesn't need to appeal to everyone. Variety is good for the game.

I’m excited for pictomancer but I get the upset. This is the first caster in 3 expansions. It may be the last one we see for a long time… possibly ever. I know how dramatic that sounds. They will eventually switch to 1 job per expansion and because of their whole “different melee gear sets are different sub classes”. Even if we do keep getting two, and they follow the pattern, it’ll be: tank + phys ranged, healer + striking melee, maybe double melee (maiming + scouting).

I honestly wish caster gear would be split this expansion. Summoner + black mage get traditional caster looking gear. Red mage and pictomancer get gear that’s more leather styled, maybe a recolor of aiming gear?

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Originally Posted by Sequora

I’m excited for pictomancer but I get the upset. This is the first caster in 3 expansions. It may be the last one we see for a long time… possibly ever. I know how dramatic that sounds. They will eventually switch to 1 job per expansion and because of their whole “different melee gear sets are different sub classes”. Even if we do keep getting two, and they follow the pattern, it’ll be: tank + phys ranged, healer + striking melee, maybe double melee (maiming + scouting).

I honestly wish caster gear would be split this expansion. Summoner + black mage get traditional caster looking gear. Red mage and pictomancer get gear that’s more leather styled, maybe a recolor of aiming gear?

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My monk and samurai share the same set.
The resemblance is striking!

Jokes aside. I agree. We just need more gear variety in general (on top of more armor inventory).

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

To be fair, I also read that as if you're being sarcastic when asking.
You can be grammatically correct but still not be clear in what you're saying.

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then you read it correctly. he did not. he read is as a statement of fact, which he elaborated on, with, might i add.. incorrect grammar

(do urselves a fav and dont go all grammar mentor because ud be suprised how LITTLE about grammar 99% of us know)

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The skills I saw in the gameplay video do not fit the game imo

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do moogles fit the games asthetic? what about fat chocobos? or tonberrys? what about summoner? or scholar. why do they fit, theyre cartoony. what about Il mheg? what is this games asthetic again? dark and edgy.. damn then i guess it forgot for all that suff

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

exactly the point im making. why are u acting like they wouldnt improve this too in the future if they genuinly felt it wasnt right. but i think this was part of sakaguchis intention. (you know hes working on 14 now too right?)

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

as if theyve never improved that kinda thing before?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then you read it correctly. he did not. he read is as a statement of fact, which he elaborated on, with, might i add.. incorrect grammar

(do urselves a fav and dont go all grammar mentor because ud be suprised how LITTLE about grammar 99% of us know)


do moogles fit the games asthetic? what about fat chocobos? or tonberrys? what about summoner? or scholar. why do they fit, theyre cartoony. what about Il mheg? what is this games asthetic again? dark and edgy.. damn then i guess it forgot for all that suff

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Then at least turn on Autocorrect in your phone settings. I prefer to listen to readings of My Immortal, not be subjected to it in your posts.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Only class I care about is Beastmaster that's coming out. Maybe if Pictomancer wasn't so cartoonish it wouldn't have all the hate. To me it looks dumb the class and looks like belongs to little kid's game. Relm so didn't look cartoonish in FFVI.

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Relm, along with everything else in FFVI, was 16-bit pixelated. 16-bit never looked anything but cartoonish regardless of what game was being played. She didn't look out of place because she was created in the same art style as everything else in the game.

This is where we're running into the problem. Some players like that Pictomancer's effects stand out from the other battle effects. Some players don't.

If it were possible to turn battle effects on/off based on an individual job, we wouldn't need to have the discussion. We can't. Either we watch Pictomancer effects along with the rest or we watch no one's effects but our own (and the enemy if enabled).

Personally, I'm hoping the battle effects are refined to blend in better with the battle effects of other jobs.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

do moogles fit the games asthetic? what about fat chocobos? or tonberrys? what about summoner? or scholar. why do they fit, theyre cartoony. what about Il mheg? what is this games asthetic again? dark and edgy.. damn then i guess it forgot for all that suff

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I've never seen this game's aesthetics as dark and edgy. Sounds like you spend all your time drowning in DRK and RPR.

You're continuing to ignore the point many of us are trying to make. The concern is the battle effects, not the job gear. Outside of Thornmarch and just about anything Hildibrand related, where are we getting 2D cartoon battle effects in group content?

It's not a problem for those who play solo. They can either use Pictomancer or not use it as they want unless there are Dawntrail MSQ dungeons where you're forced to take Krile as a DPS (highly unlikely).

For those who like doing group content with other players, the effects as they stand may be a massive distraction. Perhaps everyone can get used to them over time, perhaps not.

Personally the last thing I want is to step into a raid and have a Pictomancer throw up a mountain in my face when I need to see whether the boss is raising their left arm or right arm for a mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Relm, along with everything else in FFVI, was 16-bit pixelated. 16-bit never looked anything but cartoonish regardless of what game was being played. She didn't look out of place because she was created in the same art style as everything else in the game.

This is where we're running into the problem. Some players like that Pictomancer's effects stand out from the other battle effects. Some players don't.

If it were possible to turn battle effects on/off based on an individual job, we wouldn't need to have the discussion. We can't. Either we watch Pictomancer effects along with the rest or we watch no one's effects but our own (and the enemy if enabled).

Personally, I'm hoping the battle effects are refined to blend in better with the battle effects of other jobs.

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It honestly feels like an extension of that toxic culture on social media where people butcher someone else's artwork then post it online claiming they "fixed" it.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I don't care if something is cute, but I do care if the aesthetic fits the game. The skills I saw in the gameplay video do not fit the game imo. Viper, as generic as it is fits the game, Pictomancer does not.

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The cutesy and vibrant themes have been in the game forever. They've just never been in combat in the player's hands. Is that where whatever this line people have made is crossed?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Relm, along with everything else in FFVI, was 16-bit pixelated. 16-bit never looked anything but cartoonish regardless of what game was being played. She didn't look out of place because she was created in the same art style as everything else in the game.

This is where we're running into the problem. Some players like that Pictomancer's effects stand out from the other battle effects. Some players don't.

If it were possible to turn battle effects on/off based on an individual job, we wouldn't need to have the discussion. We can't. Either we watch Pictomancer effects along with the rest or we watch no one's effects but our own (and the enemy if enabled).

Personally, I'm hoping the battle effects are refined to blend in better with the battle effects of other jobs.


I've never seen this game's aesthetics as dark and edgy. Sounds like you spend all your time drowning in DRK and RPR.

You're continuing to ignore the point many of us are trying to make. The concern is the battle effects, not the job gear. Outside of Thornmarch and just about anything Hildibrand related, where are we getting 2D cartoon battle effects in group content?

It's not a problem for those who play solo. They can either use Pictomancer or not use it as they want unless there are Dawntrail MSQ dungeons where you're forced to take Krile as a DPS (highly unlikely).

For those who like doing group content with other players, the effects as they stand may be a massive distraction. Perhaps everyone can get used to them over time, perhaps not.

Personally the last thing I want is to step into a raid and have a Pictomancer throw up a mountain in my face when I need to see whether the boss is raising their left arm or right arm for a mechanics.

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I wouldn’t mind the animations cleaned up a little bit, but I love the cell shading effects. Everything looks very samey in this game and I’m glad that the animations stick out.

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

The cutesy and vibrant themes have been in the game forever. They've just never been in combat in the player's hands. Is that where whatever this line people have made is crossed?

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It’s not really a question of cutesy and vibrant… it’s about the effects not looking as high quality as the rest of the jobs. I’m fine with cutesy and vibrant (I play a Lala! lol), it’s the flat, opaque, chalky and cartoony effects. It’s magic paint, I want it to look like magic paint! It does in the trailer. Even in the job video, the parts where she’s swirling the paint around with the brush don’t look bad. But the other parts of what we’ve seen don’t have the same texture quality to them, don’t look like part of the same game, and like others have said, could pose a problem seeing battle tells and indicators.

Silly question but there it is.

IF I turn off other players effects can I still see things like the healing circles on the floor? I know I know I am the odd DPS that actually tries to position myself in the circle when the healer is nice enough to place one.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

It’s not really a question of cutesy and vibrant… it’s about the effects not looking as high quality as the rest of the jobs. I’m fine with cutesy and vibrant (I play a Lala! lol), it’s the flat, opaque, chalky and cartoony effects. It’s magic paint, I want it to look like magic paint! It does in the trailer. Even in the job video, the parts where she’s swirling the paint around with the brush don’t look bad. But the other parts of what we’ve seen don’t have the same texture quality to them, don’t look like part of the same game, and like others have said, could pose a problem seeing battle tells and indicators.

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That is fair. I do hope they revise the effects and not have this disconnect between what we see in the CG trailer and what we got in the job video. The gap is a bit extreme, so I think I get what people are saying. The idea is good, but it's a bit too much in that direction and loses something, I guess? I just hope the devs don't take the wrong kind of feedback and get the wrong ideas.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

Silly question but there it is.

IF I turn off other players effects can I still see things like the healing circles on the floor? I know I know I am the odd DPS that actually tries to position myself in the circle when the healer is nice enough to place one.

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You see those if you set effects to Limited.

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

The cutesy and vibrant themes have been in the game forever. They've just never been in combat in the player's hands. Is that where whatever this line people have made is crossed?

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You've hit the nail on the head. The line separating the fantasy of your character and the fantasy of the world around them. A player character's job is more of a constant in one's playing experience than their changing surroundings. You might temporarily interact with things like loporrits, moogles, or other whimsical facets of the world. But, your character's job is static. So, if you've been waiting 7 years for the new caster, it's take it or leave it with Pictomancer. This is probably why it feels more intrusive than the other goofy elements of FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

You see those if you set effects to Limited.

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Excellent ty

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Originally Posted by Myrany

Silly question but there it is.

IF I turn off other players effects can I still see things like the healing circles on the floor? I know I know I am the odd DPS that actually tries to position myself in the circle when the healer is nice enough to place one.

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Dodging the circles is what gives healers things to be excited about, don't you stand in those things! :)

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

It’s not really a question of cutesy and vibrant… it’s about the effects not looking as high quality as the rest of the jobs. I’m fine with cutesy and vibrant (I play a Lala! lol), it’s the flat, opaque, chalky and cartoony effects. It’s magic paint, I want it to look like magic paint! It does in the trailer. Even in the job video, the parts where she’s swirling the paint around with the brush don’t look bad. But the other parts of what we’ve seen don’t have the same texture quality to them, don’t look like part of the same game, and like others have said, could pose a problem seeing battle tells and indicators.

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^ this 100%
Give us sparkly, glowy, magic paint (what we see Krile use)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Dodging the circles is what gives healers things to be excited about, don't you stand in those things! :)

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Given this character is a BLM we could start a new game. I drop my leylines and you intentionally place your healing circle somewhere other than where my leyline is. Then I can play the leyline twister game of dodging the bad, staying in the healing circle while trying to be in my own leylines all at once!

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

That's probably cause:

A) Everyone WoW that was coming over to FFXIV was brand new at the time was behaving all googly eyed over it for reaction content.

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eh, as a past WoW player, I think people were more excited about Reaper because it's like Demon Hunter, which is also why it's my second main, being I played DH. Wouldn't say it was farming reaction content, that's pretty disingenuous.

I was excited for Pictomancer, I hope the mechanics work like Dancer, since it'll be an easy transition to me and finally give me a reason to play caster. However, my hype has been somewhat ruined because someone claimed claimed that YP mentioned that the class would have to prepare their spells, and will have long cast times for the preparation as a result. Kinda like casters in DnD.

The other casters in the game don't do it for me, so I was hoping PM would finally be my reason to run Caster.

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

eh, as a past WoW player, I think people were more excited about Reaper because it's like Demon Hunter, which is also why it's my second main, being I played DH. Wouldn't say it was farming reaction content, that's pretty disingenuous.

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A lot of creators were definitely milking content, and everyone knows they were. Nothing disingenuous about it. Doesn't mean they also weren't sincere in liking the job. This is a case of it was probably both.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

Given this character is a BLM we could start a new game. I drop my leylines and you intentionally place your healing circle somewhere other than where my leyline is. Then I can play the leyline twister game of dodging the bad, staying in the healing circle while trying to be in my own leylines all at once!

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How many times can I forcefully rescue you? Bonus points if you turn on surecast to ignore it. My mind and soul are ready. I love it lol.

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

I was excited for Pictomancer, I hope the mechanics work like Dancer, since it'll be an easy transition to me and finally give me a reason to play caster. However, my hype has been somewhat ruined because someone claimed claimed that YP mentioned that the class would have to prepare their spells, and will have long cast times for the preparation as a result. Kinda like casters in DnD.

The other casters in the game don't do it for me, so I was hoping PM would finally be my reason to run Caster.

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No one knows the mechanics of this job yet. Just wait for the media tour and job actions trailer for the devs explanation. Maybe we will get sneak peaks from future live letters too. Don’t listen to others. It will drive you crazy. Everything right now is just speculation amongst the community.

I feel like you're taking things out of context too. For me personally I'm not quitting because I hate pictomancer, I just don't play things, I don't like, I'm quitting because Endwalker was awful and Dawntrail didn't offer me a reason to keep playing. The role of these media tours is to garner attention and excitement, to offer you reason to want to play and for me personally, it did not do that.

Pictomancer may have a play style I absolutely love but first impressions are of utmost importance and pictomancer failed to leave an impression. Don't get me wrong, I plan on watching the job action trailer to see if my opinion changes and I am certainly open to that, I just won't be subbed in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

I was excited for Pictomancer, I hope the mechanics work like Dancer, since it'll be an easy transition to me and finally give me a reason to play caster. However, my hype has been somewhat ruined because someone claimed claimed that YP mentioned that the class would have to prepare their spells, and will have long cast times for the preparation as a result. Kinda like casters in DnD.

The other casters in the game don't do it for me, so I was hoping PM would finally be my reason to run Caster.

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I'm honestly more excited for the job if it has higher emphasis on hardcasting akin to BLM instead of being predominantly instacasts like SMN.

FFXIV fanfest viewers hate first, understand later. On average that is, not everyone.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm honestly more excited for the job if it has higher emphasis on hardcasting akin to BLM instead of being predominantly instacasts like SMN.

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how you gonna do endgame content if all your spells take insanely long to cast? It's gonna be so bad where you can't even attack the bosses lmao. Especially if they move a lot.

(if they do make it unplayable, as in focusing on hard cast, then i hope it'll be entirely different in PvP)

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

how you gonna do endgame content if all your spells take insanely long to cast? It's gonna be so bad where you can't even attack the bosses lmao. Especially if they move a lot.

(if they do make it unplayable, as in focusing on hard cast, then i hope it'll be entirely different in PvP)

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Well PIC isn’t a healer, so the chances that it will be that miserably designed with respect to the content design are pretty low.

Seems like it should be a limited job.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

yo, this is getting wild. the job isnt even a week old and already people cannot handle it.

1 thread says its not neon enough, another says its too neon.
1 thread says the gear is too cartoony, 1 says its not cartoony enough
sevral people said theyre going to unsub just because of it
sevral said theyde kick pictomancers from there pf
sevral said picto was out of place in ff ( i guess they forgot about spriggan bombs, chocomog and cactuars)
sevral people said its a GIRLS and LGBT only job (this is the most laughable 1 so far)

and yea, btw i can cite all the times ive seen this if you wanna see it.. but what the actual hell people.. this job isnt even out yet and already people are going feral over it

as a lgbtq/girl/irl pictomancer.. i cant wait for this job!

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Don't worry about it. These forums are absolutely lousy with people who claim to hate the game, but will pay their subs and get every expac that launches.

They are a vocal minority. Pay them no mind.