Quest Chaining!? <NO THANKS>

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A storyline shouldn't have any effect on the actual game and should only serve as a very brief break from 10 levels of grinding, you mean?

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I don't think they set up the storyline very well in this game. LOOKING AT YOU TANAKA!~

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Originally Posted by Zell

Rokien... you make a mockery of these forums.

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He isn't very elegant but he usually does bring up some good points. People just get too caught up in the easy target he gives to actually have a decent debate.

Not his fault people would rather jump down his throat than actually discuss his suggestion and it's counterpoints. It happens but gets burried under people looking to slap off a witty remark about how they hate him.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I don't think they set up the storyline very well in this game. LOOKING AT YOU TANAKA!~

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For real. I skipped the main story because all it was was a bunch of people giving confused looks while they pretend you don't exist.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A storyline shouldn't have any effect on the actual game and should only serve as a very brief break from 10 levels of grinding, you mean?

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Actually, the issue is the storyline wasn't implemented well in any regard. Just compare it to FFXI's storylines, you didn't need to level in order to even accept them, you needed to be x level to do some of the fights, but most mission fights were usually level 25-50, with the final being at 75 for everything else up until Abyssea.

They could easily incorporate the storyline without making it a means to throw you to end-game. In XIV you had to be x level to even do missions that were no more than talk to 2 NPCs, that has nothing to do with progression, it was poor implementation.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

For real. I skipped the main story because all it was was a bunch of people giving confused looks while they pretend you don't exist.

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I didn't like it because of what Elexia just pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Actually, the issue is the storyline wasn't implemented well in any regard. Just compare it to FFXI's storylines, you didn't need to level in order to even accept them, you needed to be x level to do some of the fights, but most mission fights were usually level 25-50, with the final being at 75 for everything else up until Abyssea.

They could easily incorporate the storyline without making it a means to throw you to end-game. In XIV you had to be x level to even do missions that were no more than talk to 2 NPCs, that has nothing to do with progression, it was poor implementation.

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The storyline and its quests should carry you all the way to 50. But it should not be as simple as talking to 2 NPCs for a single quest, agreed.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

The storyline and its quests should carry you all the way to 50. But it should not be as simple as talking to 2 NPCs for a single quest, agreed.

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If you have to talk to an npc make it an epic journey like the quest where you had to go to all three nations(ffxi) with no airship or really teleporting.

had a lot of fun with that quest~

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Originally Posted by Rokien

If you have to talk to an npc make it an epic journey like the quest where you had to go to all three nations(ffxi) with no airship or really teleporting.

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Yes :) Quests should be more involving. Even though the GC quests have some great story, they're still very tedious because you're going very far just to talk to an NPC, and then you go all the way back. There's really nothing special or unique about it.

also just because I'm against this type of questing, I would like a dev to comment on their plans for it.

If anything he'll likely comment about it in next letter.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

"Yes, unlike current version it's not where you kill mobs to level but the development is being done to a style where you naturally level up by clearing contents."

And, no thank you. This can only mean one thing QUEST CHAINING!~

Seriously, I don't wanna go do 20 quests, move to a different area do their 20 quests..... seriously. I hope they don't do this. This comment right there makes me worried.

D-d-d-d-d-d-d-DEAL BREAKER!

Also thank you Reinheart for the translation!~ As always

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ish%29/page408

Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
Also, we’re planning to introduce various new encampments that will serve as quest hubs. We’re in the process of testing these now on our development servers...

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In this way, we’re going to gradually increase the number of public areas with quest hubs....

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hmm, you posted only the answer and forgot the question

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In the interview it is said you can gain up to level 20 through contents such as quests so I think it's more of not to enjoy leveling but you gain the level while you are adventuring the world.

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Originally Posted by Zell

I don't know anyone else on these forums that creates 4+ threads and continually responds to his own posts in order to keep it in the front page. All of Rokien's post are designed to troll...

Vast majority of the the people that reply know that to be true. Rokien has a few "followers" that help him keep idiotic posts on the front page.

I realize the irony of my post keeping this thread alive, but it only in protest, not because I find his posts to be anything substantive... far from it. He's a child seeking attention. The same way my 4 year old acts up when wanting a rise out of me.

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Ergo, you believe Rokien is a child seeking attention because he bothers to bring something to the forums because you find it to be illegitimate. Great logic.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

If anything yoshi is only proving me right on all these occasions.

I've also said many times we don't know how 2.0 is going to roll out, that's why I'm still here. i'll check out 2.0 if it's how i think its going to be I'll leave.

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Yeah, you and me both. Almost every time Yoshida opens his big mouth with another letter or an interview about 2.0, something about it just makes me cringe, but I'm willing to see through the hiccups to try 2.0 at least (unlike some of the kind of people Yoshida is targeting - those that will instantly crawl back to WoW at the moment of a hiccup).

The sooner people stop paying attention and responding to the tripe the op posts the sooner he will go away.

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Originally Posted by Griss

The sooner people stop paying attention and responding to the tripe the op posts the sooner he will go away.

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you really want me to leave this game?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

you really want me to leave this game?

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Yes

/10charismastic!

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Originally Posted by Griss

The sooner people stop paying attention and responding to the tripe the op posts the sooner he will go away.

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If I can't see it, it's not there.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

"Yes, unlike current version it's not where you kill mobs to level but the development is being done to a style where you naturally level up by clearing contents."

And, no thank you. This can only mean one thing QUEST CHAINING!~

Seriously, I don't wanna go do 20 quests, move to a different area do their 20 quests..... seriously. I hope they don't do this. This comment right there makes me worried.

D-d-d-d-d-d-d-DEAL BREAKER!

Also thank you Reinheart for the translation!~ As always

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ish%29/page408

Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
Also, we’re planning to introduce various new encampments that will serve as quest hubs. We’re in the process of testing these now on our development servers...

Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
In this way, we’re going to gradually increase the number of public areas with quest hubs....

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I'm having a hard time figuring out what the actual problem is with having "Quest Chaining". I mean, let me ask it this way...

What would you like to do in the game, other then doing quests? Explore on your own? Tackle roaming primals (like Odin)? Clear dungeons? Craft items/gear? Form/join a party for grinding XP/SB/Beastcoins/Seals/etc? You can still do all theses things wether or not these quest hubs will be introduced in 2.0.

So, why is having the ability to chain quests going to be a deal breaker for you? If 2.0 would introduce a whole bunch of Quest hubs in each area, then they would be more content for players to do within the game. It's up to you as a player if you want to do these quests after all.

Could you clarify that for me?

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Originally Posted by Aldora

I'm having a hard time figuring out what the actual problem is with having "Quest Chaining". I mean, let me ask it this way...

What would you like to do in the game, other then doing quests? Explore on your own? Tackle roaming primals (like Odin)? Clear dungeons? Craft items/gear? Form/join a party for grinding XP/SB/Beastcoins/Seals/etc? You can still do all theses things wether or not these quest hubs will be introduced in 2.0.

So, why is having the ability to chain quests going to be a deal breaker for you? If 2.0 would introduce a whole bunch of Quest hubs in each area, then they would be more content for players to do within the game. It's up to you as a player if you want to do these quests after all.

Could you clarify that for me?

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Though I may disagree with Rokien about not implementing quest chaining (I see nothing wrong per-se, so long as it's meaningful quest chaining and not what MMOs practice today), games that have employed quest chaining are filled with quests full of mindless and boring paragraphs without any decent story whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Though I may disagree with Rokien about not implementing quest chaining (I see nothing wrong per-se, so long as it's meaningful quest chaining and not what MMOs practice today), games that have employed quest chaining are filled with quests full of mindless and boring paragraphs without any decent story whatsoever.

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Yep, and people say the same about XIV's dialogue, even though in XIV the dialogue is actually meaningful in the long run given the type of era it is.

Most MMOs you can't even determine an era through NPCs that doesn't flatout say "THIS IS THE MIDDLE AGES!", they're that 2 dimensional.

That is my only true gripe with Quest Chaining for progression, lifeless even if the quest is "fun", it means you're more than likely doing it for the exp and no one can truly deny that :\

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yep, and people say the same about XIV's dialogue, even though in XIV the dialogue is actually meaningful in the long run given the type of era it is.

Most MMOs you can't even determine an era through NPCs that doesn't flatout say "THIS IS THE MIDDLE AGES!", they're that 2 dimensional.

That is my only true gripe with Quest Chaining for progression, lifeless even if the quest is "fun", it means you're more than likely doing it for the exp and no one can truly deny that :\

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That's what I love about ffxiv is their dialogue and they had to dumb that down as well, BECAUSE, people complained....

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Thing is, if someone else made this exact thread. There would be a discussion going about on it. It doesn't matter who makes it, it's the topic at hand.

Person who is now going to lock this thread for being WAY off topic, you can just lock it without saying anything......

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Who's fault is that?

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