The Devs Listen to Us

You guys in here talking like we've never gotten a single QoL update. lol

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Definitely makes me raise an eyebrow every time there's communication from the devs and the multi billion dollar company can't pay for a live translated restream or subtitles. NA has to rely on randoms from reddit, who are subject to mistranslation, for all of their information.

That's honestly the more damning thing is they can't be bothered at SE to properly communicate with their NA players so why would they ever pay attention to their feedback.

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they did have ENG translators, but JP players complained the live letter takes 8 hours because there's always break for translator to translate everything into engrish, sentence by sentence.
I believe The un-translated live letter is result of community demand.

I agree that there could be subtitles but having double the time of LL, the complaint was absolutely justified and while this is not the best solution, it's the most convenient one, compared effort/price and result. Thanks fellow redditors for translation.

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

they did have ENG translators, but JP players complained the live letter takes 8 hours because there's always break for translator to translate everything into engrish, sentence by sentence.
I believe The un-translated live letter is result of community demand.

I agree that there could be subtitles but having double the time of LL, the complaint was absolutely justified and while this is not the best solution, it's the most convenient one, compared effort/price and result. Thanks fellow redditors for translation.

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Everyone brings up this excuse but what is stopping them from doing an EN translated restream on a slight delay? It works for other companies, just mute the audio from Yoshi-P and have an EN translator talk over him with the translation. Nintendo manages to do developer streams and directs just fine in multiple languages.
Or even having an official translation available in text form available later the same day. There are more ways to have a translation than JP speaking - EN Speaking -JP Speaking -EN Speaking.

The fact is they aren't even trying to have solutions that work, the solution for the EN playerbase is always to make do with the scraps we get leftover from JP. That's the telling part about the devs' attitude and is a symptom of the larger situation that they really only care about theri JP players. EN is supposed to put up with patches at 4 am, downtime during prime time for patches, and no translations on the dev streams just because well, they either can't bother to put more effort in to make it work for anyone other than JP, or the worse of the two, they really do not care what any non-japanese players think or experience in the game.

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

they did have ENG translators, but JP players complained the live letter takes 8 hours because there's always break for translator to translate everything into engrish, sentence by sentence.
I believe The un-translated live letter is result of community demand.

I agree that there could be subtitles but having double the time of LL, the complaint was absolutely justified and while this is not the best solution, it's the most convenient one, compared effort/price and result. Thanks fellow redditors for translation.

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The real reason liveletters are so long has more to do with how incredibly poorly organized they are. There is often an inordinate amount of time in each liveletter that is more or less wasted by Yoshida just kind of rambling nonsensically.

Frankly, they should just be scripted and recorded ahead of time, with an official translation being made available immediately.

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Originally Posted by vetch

You don't like ARR dungeon music still not looping properly, almost ten years after it launched?

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Some of the original base game zones still lack night themes, too, don't they?

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

You guys in here talking like we've never gotten a single QoL update. lol

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Pretty much all of EW's QoL updates happened because cheating in Ultimate got the japanese media attention.
This wasn't about finally listening to the community, but more like.. saving face.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Pretty much all of EW's QoL updates happened because cheating in Ultimate got the japanese media attention.
This wasn't about finally listening to the community, but more like.. saving face.

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And half the time “qol updates” when the JP community complains aren’t even good changes

Remember when JP lost their minds at paisley park being used during TEA and it’s why we lost (and never got back) the ability to place markers in combat which makes fights like diamond EX and P7S with changing arenas much more annoying to have marker sets

they made the bard like crap it use to be better trash now why

Scream all you want, your devs won't hear you.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Scream all you want, your devs won't hear you.

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It would be fantastic if the forums (and mainsub) didn’t act like this was somehow a good thing or something that they should defend

If the devs make unpopular changes (5.0 healers for example) they should be forced to defend their decisions not have half the playerbase that’s willing to praise them doing literally nothing or even defending them releasing less content

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It would be fantastic if the forums (and mainsub) didn’t act like this was somehow a good thing or something that they should defend

If the devs make unpopular changes (5.0 healers for example) they should be forced to defend their decisions not have half the playerbase that’s willing to praise them doing literally nothing or even defending them releasing less content

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i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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Makes me think of literally every gacha game in existence. Like when Honkai Star Rail came out and people were praising it to high heaven, despite the predatory as all heck monetization.

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this,

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This is because people don't realize when ever they buy "digital goods" , they are not really buying anything or obtain anything. It is all smoke and mirrors.
Imagine you go to any real store, you buy clothes, but the moment you leave the store your clothes you just bought are gone, and you can only wear them inside the store, you can keep the receipt though, and when the store eventually closes you also cant use the clothes anymore.
You are essentially paying a service that can be replicated to infinity and has no actual value, all the prices in the shops are made up, you can argue it takes more time for a dev to make a mount than a pet so the mount costs more money, but what is the justification for a mount to cost 30$ or 10$.

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Originally Posted by FlutterYuu

I hope I don't sound preachy but I think there are too many people who think the Devs don't listen. I'm not a very important person but I do think we need to remind ourselves that the FFXIV Dev Team listen to us, they always have.

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Wouldn't know it from this end.

They are in our walls ... :3

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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I think he's being rather deceptive. Whenever something happens that proves controversial, he points to the most aggressive of critics as a deflection tactic. From what I recall, during the marketing phase there was a lot of feedback towards the combat against regular enemies looking to be rather shallow and without much difficulty. It was the very same 'content creators' who he props up with personal favours and meet-and-greets who aggressively insulted anyone who dared criticise the 'best game ever' even if they were exceptionally civil.

A lot of his own commentary proved to rub people the wrong way such as throwing FFXV under the bus and claiming that the use of the word 'JRPG' was 'offensive' (only to later backtrack).

In general, there's a lot of constructive feedback to be found. He simply doesn't seem to see it or pretends not to see it. Or perhaps those in charge of marketing and gathering feedback aren't actually handing him sensible feedback. Who knows for sure?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So an example of why there's a lack of feedback or it seems Devs are ignoring players that are unhappy with parts of a game. Yoshi-P has apparently said the FF16 negative feedback is "tiring" because so much of it is filled with insults, threats, and offensive yelling. As a result it appears he's mostly clueless as to why people are upset with the game in the first place and just writing it off as those people just being haters of the game having a "Dark Story" and action game based combat.

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If so, that seems like a weak excuse to me to just ignore feedback. He can get staff to sift through it and bring forward the productive feedback. This is the norm in most of industry in dealing with customer feedback, especially for large companies like SE, which he should be aware of. He's claimed in the past he isn't sensitive unlike some of his staff. So he could just 'forge ahead' like the game preaches. This really does read as a ploy to get people to pity/white knight him and I, for one, do not care for it. This is the sort of thing that makes me lose respect for a company and a person. This isn't some small mom and pop shop.

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Originally Posted by Koros

i honestly can't think of another industry where customers are such paypigs lmao, i feel like it's really just the entertainment industry, no other industry gets away with this, ff14 honestly isn't even the worst, there are gamers out there who unironically defend activision or supercell selling lootboxes to children and get them hooked and use their parents credit card, it's wild

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It really does seem true.

Also saw this floating around...

https://i.imgur.com/cnTz5SJ.png

If that's accurate, it's hardly harsh. Even if, as the comment suggests, that they may have omitted other stuff that's harsher out there (and let's for argument's sake assume it's all genuine), that specific feedback does not fit the bill and it should be clear what those players are saying. Can't just brush that off as 'haters' in good faith. Such an approach would contradict his own stated approach to game design and customer feedback...

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It would be fantastic if the forums (and mainsub) didn’t act like this was somehow a good thing or something that they should defend

If the devs make unpopular changes (5.0 healers for example) they should be forced to defend their decisions not have half the playerbase that’s willing to praise them doing literally nothing or even defending them releasing less content

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Well, if such a large portion of the playerbase is still enjoying it and happy to praise the dev team, perhaps the changes aren't that unpopular? Or, does the unpopularity of something get magically magnified because you specifically didn't like it?

Idk about this one chief. DRK & MCH have finally got some changes in EW due to Mr.Happy talking to Yoshi P about it and the best part is... Yoshi P say he didnt get feedback from it. When there already thread talking about it for 4 years for those changes. It means there something off with our feedback. I'm sure NA and EU do there job to giving feedback but I'm sure japan is the one who blocked hard due " It's not proper way to say it". Oh boy they will cry if they are learning french lmao.

I'm curious what feedback people do think they listen to. I do not think they pay any attention at all to the forums or Reddit given the lack of interaction. In Twitch streams, community reps go out of their way not to speak on potentially controversial topics for fear of any negative or conflicting information reaching the ears of the higher ups, causing more problems. Twitter is used as advertising fluff and they never respond to any issues players have.

We have been told years in the past that they scour social media and the forums for topics of interest to relay to the development team, but it's literally been years since we have been told that. There have also been many instances like the above Mr. Happy situation where somehow important feedback had been completely glossed over until an influencer spoke directly to the director about grievances.

I baselessly think they look at some data in-game to see what's popular, but lately I feel like this is the only feedback they listen to. Without any sort of discourse from their side, it's a very disappointing venture.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Well, if such a large portion of the playerbase is still enjoying it and happy to praise the dev team, perhaps the changes aren't that unpopular? Or, does the unpopularity of something get magically magnified because you specifically didn't like it?

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And we circle back to our favourite topic of conversation, striker refuses to acknowledge the healer role has been a functional walking corpse for 2 expansions

Let me take you back to 5.0 launch, we got a popular new DPS and a popular new tank and they decided to do an incredibly unpopular change to healers, at that point healers were in such short supply as a healer you could queue for literally anything at any time and it would pop for you, this is to say nothing of the job satisfaction surveys falling off a cliff, lower levels of healers after ShB and squares refusal to acknowledge if

Its a heavy load of copium to even suggest that the developers listen to literally any feedback presented to them, even from the biggest XIV personalities. They've ignored us for years, only listening to, and implementing some of the easiest feedback requests ie; "Please introduce this item that only NPC's can wear. I want (Insert MSQ character here)'s gear set!".

They have not listened to any feedback in regards to jobs and the 2 minute meta. ESPECIALLY for healers. Yoshi P should apologise for telling them to do ultimates for an engaging experience.
They have not listened to any feedback concerning PvP changes, or adjustments to maps.
They have not listened to any feedback regarding the lack of satisfaction with accquiring EW welfare relic, and the lack of an exploratory zone.
They have not listened to any feedback about Island Sanctuary being a boring, glamour pinata that you ignore for 90% of a patch cycle.
They have not listened to any feedback from even their own streamers regarding a general lack of casual grind content in EW so far.

If the developers were listening to anything being said here, they should communicate with us, or acknowledge that they're here and providing any reasonable suggestions posted here to the JP dev team. That is not happening. They are openly, willingly ignoring the most passionate members of their community who want nothing more than for the game to be improved even slightly. This is absolutely one of the worst things the dev team of a major MMORPG can do. The end result of ignoring your playerbase is a game at its core, that is boring, and unrewarding to play. This display of arrogance, and overconfidence in the dev team will produce a similar experience to modern day WoW.

Before Square white knights come marching out, we provide feedback to improve the game, not inhale copium and pretend there aren't issues with the game that should be addressed. The wholesome echo chamber is on reddit.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

They've ignored us for years, only listening to, and implementing some of the easiest feedback requests ie; "Please introduce this item that only NPC's can wear. I want (Insert MSQ character here)'s gear set!".

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Hilariously, they barely even do this. I think that one guy's still waiting for the chocobo feet the Chocobo Racing Gold Saucer attendant wears. It's been what, 6 years?