Online Store is Getting Worse!

to me if an item is from the mog station its automatically lame and embarrasing to wear/use

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Originally Posted by Oizen

to me if an item is from the mog station its automatically lame and embarrasing to wear/use

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It's ight to be broke.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

An MMO is designed around gear and looking your best. It's dishonest to say just because it doesn't affect gameplay it has no effect on certain people. That's absurd. If looking your best (whatever that may mean for the individual) wouldn't be a thing we wouldn't get new gear sets every m patch, let alone a glamour system.

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funny enough, I manage to look my best from gear acquired in game for free with very few purchased from the shop. personally, for me, wearing pajamas in game is not what I would consider "looking your best". but its not my money so I dont care. long and short of it is.. if you like it.. buy it. if you dont like it.. what exactly are you missing out on?

My take on it is, the online store is optional. As much as people hate to see it said again and again, it's true: If you do not want to pay the price, just. Don't. Buy. It. It's really not rocket science here.

Not to mention, they give us free (As in not using irl currency) glams all the time through crafting recipes, seasonal events, and most recently in Island Sanctuary having offered two sets, along with both f and m bottom options!

When Lyse's attire came out, I thought the price wasn't worth putting money on (All I wanted was the hair and I hated how the set was one piece), so I didn't buy it. The Street attire came out, and I passed on it because...well, really it was because it clashes horrifically with the world building and aesthetic FFXIV is going for. But still, I had the option, and I passed. The mounts that are like $30+ aren't necessary for my gameplay. I have tons of mounts. Why do I need a giant space whale? Pass.

The criticism that's legit is on the quality of the fat cat set. They could do better than that and it's unreasonable that the quality doesn't match up with the price, on that I totally agree. A lot of the sets offered for free in-game are way better.

Anyway, you can complain all you want, but that's the reality. You have free will to control your actions. The online store is not mandatory.

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Originally Posted by MagicPeanut

Anyway, you can complain all you want, but that's the reality. You have free will to control your actions. The online store is not mandatory.

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The problem that mogstation supporters don't want to see is that no one cares about ridiculous things like a cat set, but things like the pagaga emote.

This emote has been requested throughout SHB since it first appeared. Everyone asked for it as a bozja reward, and they release it now on mogstation.

You may not buy at will, there are 100 others who will buy and encourage the company. Soon, more and more items that could be in-game rewards will be in the store, in a game where you already pay a monthly fee.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

The problem that mogstation supporters don't want to see is that no one cares about ridiculous things like a cat set, but things like the pagaga emote.

This emote has been requested throughout SHB since it first appeared. Everyone asked for it as a bozja reward, and they release it now on mogstation.

You may not buy at will, there are 100 others who will buy and encourage the company. Soon, more and more items that could be in-game rewards will be in the store, in a game where you already pay a monthly fee.

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Yeah, and I'll be one of those many hundreds of others lol. I said this in the other similar thread, but I prefer just buying the emote outright instead of time sinking in Bozja to farm clusters. I personally hated that so many cool things were all high in cluster count. They were free, yeah. That's a good thing. I just thought the prices in-game were ridiculous. In comparison, paying irl money for it isn't as bad, personally.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

$22 for the latest set which is a freaking pajama hoodie...

https://c.tenor.com/MkxyfsFij7UAAAAC...mbarrassed.gif

It's never enough for Squeenix. Even during a sale store items are insanely overpriced. I couldn't buy anything this year because the prices are just too damned high for my meager budget. How do they justify these outrageously high prices? How do people justify paying them? $42 dollars for a mount? Who has that kind of money!?

Give us a break, Squeenix. :mad:

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Outfits usually go for $18 USD, and most have restrictions of some sort. This outfit not having restrictions, meaning more work was required to create it for all models justifies the cost increase in my book.

Mounts that are account wide and can seat multiple players always sale for more. Don't let the exception be the rule. On average, mounts range from $12-$24 USD

I’m frankly would be more tempted if everything I bought are account wide & can be stored in Armoire. Alas they’re not & they will miss out on those who’s willing to pay those if they do that.

I only bought the ones that really really really made me happy and that’s it.

[decided not to read comments past the 5th page as it seems it'll repeat]
Personally I don't have an issue with Shops, as long as they have reasonable prices, and Items that don't cause issues in-game<which depending on the person, unfortunately is a heated topic. like how some Content Creators can tout something, yet betray their ideals-as they stated them- cause they think it needs to get worse before it gets better.., which is a terrible lie>

If said items are Accountwide, I'd careless if the price is reasonable.[no reason it shouldn't. since NPCs with unlimited redistribution of items exist if you qualify. but doesn't really apply in this case.]

(while personally, if the shop was accountwide on almost everything except consumables<which tbh, dyes shouldn't even exist in the shop, and orchestrion rolls should be accountwide as well, or have a option for it, with a fair price hike if you do.> id probably own a great deal of its catalouges if it was Accountwide.)

but since it ain't for Accountwide for everything. the prices shouldn't change at all for the items.
A emote is an emote. a mount is a mount.
a glam set is a glam set. Regardless of its item count, value due to story or raid connections. it should be static.
[and while clearly two-faced when it comes to some mmos who have infinitely better items in the shop than in-game. SE would need to add more items of the same quality in-game before they should dare to add more of the same in the shop. if they wish to keep any semblance of care.]

Besides, a limitless item, that takes less effort than even a percentage of a Patch. shouldn't cost more, or close to the amount of time between said patches.

People wanted to have the different variants of the set so they didn't have to buy both,
now they bundle it all together.

it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

I'll absolutely believe that they'd make less of it if there were no cash shop, but I very much doubt they'd make none of it.

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I've heard most of the cash shop items are made for the chinese store not NA, we just get them later because there's no reason not to bring them over

Something to do with chinese players not paying a sub and being more into microtransactions

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

As a hobby, gaming is incredibly cheap. You spend almost nothing.

If I buy 2 Lego sets a year, it's more than I spend on XIV, by a long shot. Especially when it's the bigger sets.

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The relative cost to other medium is never the point. A sedan is still incredibly cheap car comparing to a Rolls Royce, but if Chevrolet ask 50k for their most basic trim Aveo that's still a rip off comparing to the half millions Rolls Royce. An overprice item is an overprice item, irregardless of other more expensive item.

And the mog station is not only over-priced, but also limited to 1 character which itself is probably even a bigger rip off than the already high asking price.

I've spent probably thousands in the Mog Station on myself and giveaways.

Mog Shop isn't for everyone. It's for people with extra income that like what they offer.
Crying about it will never change it or stop the whales (me!) from spending.

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Originally Posted by Bibitsa

We know that the mogstation is overpriced and predatory in a game with a subscription.

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Predatory implies take advantage of someone or heavily incentivizing they spend money. Regardless of your opinion towards the Mogstation, nothing on it provides any in-game advantage. You can literally ignore the entire store and lost out on nothing. Loot Boxes or games like Diablo are predatory due to locking aesthetics behind a RNG paywall or tying actual character progression to one. A predatory system would see that Pagaga emote people are wringing their hands over have a 5% drop rate from a crate you can purchase for $1 each. Don't believe me? Go look at actual F2P games like Black Desert or Blade & Soul. You'd spend significantly more on their aesthetics even after accounting for the subscription fee (they have one too) simply because their prices are higher, there's far less aesthetics in game to begin with or they're buried under layers of RNG.

With FFXIV, you pay one price and get exactly what you want.

Now I won't deny things are overpriced. They are. Which is why I opt not to buy them unless it's something I'm willing to splurge on. Nevertheless, there's a big difference between being overpriced and predatory.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

The problem that mogstation supporters don't want to see is that no one cares about ridiculous things like a cat set, but things like the pagaga emote.

This emote has been requested throughout SHB since it first appeared. Everyone asked for it as a bozja reward, and they release it now on mogstation.

You may not buy at will, there are 100 others who will buy and encourage the company. Soon, more and more items that could be in-game rewards will be in the store, in a game where you already pay a monthly fee.

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Everyone also asked for the Hellhound mount way back when. They stuffed it in PvP as the new top 100 reward. I'd hazard a guess a good number of people who wanted that mount would have preferred it going on the Mogstation.

Putting the Pagaga emote in Bozja wouldn't necessary incentivize all that many people back into the content. Especially if it were sellable like everything else. Eureka has several rare mounts, minions and emotes yet people still don't bother all that much. Frankly, I think some people are overestimating how many people actually care about this emote.

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Originally Posted by Sweetness

quite honestly I’m not a fan of anything from the mog station.
The costumes are just an easy way out for lazy people to make a glam imo

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It isn't like lv 1 glams are any better. Just as lazy.

shills will keep paying money so SE will keep re-adding those.

I'm not sure why it bothers anyone you get a set of glamor $22 or $18 depending on what you purchase. I mean there are other glamor sets that are $22 i.e. The Street attire set. The price of Glamours may not be everyone's cup of tea but if you want it go get it, if you don't then don't. I suppose if someone wants if someone wants an item on the mog station they'll do what they have to save up or otherwise and purchase the item.

I would happily pay cash for some of the glams on the Mogstation.....IF they were dyeable. Honestly, this putting out non dyeable outfits and doing likewise within the game itself is getting old and unwanted. Would it really kill SE to start making some of the gear in game and on the Mogstation, dyeable?

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Originally Posted by Eraden

I would happily pay cash for some of the glams on the Mogstation.....IF they were dyeable. Honestly, this putting out non dyeable outfits and doing likewise within the game itself is getting old and unwanted. Would it really kill SE to start making some of the gear in game and on the Mogstation, dyeable?

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Most of the gear on the Mog Station (FFXIV Online store) is dyable. From what I see the ones that aren't the are the character specific glam i.e. Thancred Lyse etc. However some character glams are dyable such as the Final Fantasy X ones.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Most of the gear on the Mog Station (FFXIV Online store) is dyable. From what I see the ones that aren't the are the character specific glam i.e. Thancred Lyse etc. However some character glams are dyable such as the Final Fantasy X ones.

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To give a non-online store example, the Wild Rose set isn't dyeable even though the rest of the Veteran rewards are and they're just as much "cosplay" gear as that one? The devs are just inconsistent as hell for whatever reason..

Imagine running a game that updates like 3 times a year but charges people a flat rate to start playing it, and a monthly fee to keep playing it, and then instead of breaking up the 4 month content drought with events that give silly costumes, you triple-dip and sell those outfits/mounts/emotes to your players instead, or you partner with some stupid company like butterfinger or grubhub that runs out of promo codes after people bought some candy/service they never wanted. And then you take that money and you don't even put it back into the game; you use it to make a marvel game that fails, or you put it towards another ff game.

Well, ff16 ain't gonna fund itself. Chop chop!

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

So normal people have to lose out because rich children can't properly look after their money.

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I'm working every day and barely have any free time (9 vacation days this year out of 24) because I have nobody that helps me (am an assistant for a lawyer)
I'm hoarding a lot of money because I know how to not just spend it all

Sometimes I'm feeling like it and endulge myself in commissions and sometimes, I buy items from the mogstation (or gift them, either way)


Not everybody that has money to spare is somehow a rich kid and "wasting" money on your hobby is your choice
I'm wasting less than my sister, that smokes, is into makeup, is into fashion, shoes, etc etc etc and always needs some new shit.

I do what makes me happy sometimes okay, i'm really stressed and exhausted because I have barely any day I don't have to work other than weekends, okay...


As a sidenote: I love how some people say "just tuck the viera ears in"
"just m ake the tail disappear so it doesnt horribly clip"
then either of those things happen and another portion goes: "omg this is so lazy and cheap why is that happening"

Having your fluffy tail/ears rolled into your pajama sounds super comfy to me

The gloves being messed up isn't okay tho

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Originally Posted by Duskane

People wanted to have the different variants of the set so they didn't have to buy both,
now they bundle it all together.

it is what it is.

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To be fair, I'm quite happy about that. I was sad that I would have had to buy the school uniform twice to get the variants. I wanted the skirt, but not the shirt with a bow, I wanted the tie. In the end, I just bought one of them.

I mean sure there is an issue with the cash shop (althought I don't mind but to each their own) but at least they didn't sell the fat cat attire twice juste to have different pants.

I hadn't considered comparing it against expansion prices.
Where I am, to buy Endwalker on Steam currently it's 29.99, this glam set alone is 15.00.

It would cost me more to buy this glam set for two characters (which I would have to do, because it's Single Character only) than it would to buy the most recent expansion.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Imagine running a game that updates like 3 times a year but charges people a flat rate to start playing it, and a monthly fee to keep playing it, and then instead of breaking up the 4 month content drought with events that give silly costumes, you triple-dip and sell those outfits/mounts/emotes to your players instead, or you partner with some stupid company like butterfinger or grubhub that runs out of promo codes after people bought some candy/service they never wanted. And then you take that money and you don't even put it back into the game; you use it to make a marvel game that fails, or you put it towards another ff game.

Well, ff16 ain't gonna fund itself. Chop chop!

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Major updates come out maybe 3 times a year but there are several smaller content updates that add plenty of things to do. Omicron tribal quests and variant + criterion dungeons are being released pretty soon. There's nowhere near a "drought." You're being kind of dramatic.

It's unfortunate that many people never received their rewards for those promotions, but those type of items are usually put in the store at some point down the line. I had to wait for a long time before Yuna's outfit was finally added to the store. But hey, I was happy it was there, and I bought it.

Do you have any proof they don't put the money they make from the online store back into the game? Also, SE didn't even develop that Avengers game. They only published it. They left the Western games to Western companies.

Everyone knows XIV is the cash cow. they invest the absolute minimum (shout out to intern-san) and extract the maximum. If you dont agree with this cash shop stuff, vote with your wallet and dont buy anything off there. While whales will continue to urinate their money up the wall, at least you'll know you didnt contribute to the problem. There is absolutely 0 reason for the cash shop to exist when they charge a base fee and a sub cost. Maybe they could add these items into the game to be earned instead of brought to help with player retention and droughts but I guess mr shareholder wouldnt be too happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

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100% of the funds from the Mogstation go back to the devs. They've said so in fact, and it was the money generated from the Mogstation that funded the EU DC before it was even implemented.

Since no one seems to understand econ101 otherwise with this game, I swear I need to just copy and paste this comment every time I see someone complain that ff14 is funding other projects:

FF14 funds other games as the sub money and sale of the game goes back to Square-Enix AS A WHOLE. In turn, every other project that makes sales that they push out also goes back into Square-Enix as a whole to fund other projects that the main JP branch is creating, such as Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy 7 Remake games, upkeeping and creating some minor content for FFXI etc. That money that the company makes also goes into paying their employees, buying/replacing hardware, keeping the lights on assuming it's not built into the rent payment, paying rent on however many floors they rent out in the office building they're in, buying/upgrading software, taxes, insurance, and more that I'm probably missing. Their net amount made then goes into a budget to dole out to each CBU + non-game dev expenses (so the rent, employee pay, etc) for a business quarter for four quarters, or sometimes maybe even the entire business year.

So really, it's disingenuous to whine that "FF14 is funding other games!!!!" when those "other games" are also funding FF14 in turn from their profits, that's how it works.

Since the Mogstation is connected to FF14 and FF14 only, the funds they generate from all the Fantasia junkies and people who instabuy glams or mounts or emotes or whatever goes back to the devs independent of the budget they're given by the company to add into and use for new DCs, new server blades, bolstering their budget for certain things in the game like better and more fluid animations, upgrading all of the upcoming content in 7.0 (and hopefully the engine 14 is running on because that really needs an upgrade) and whatever else they need it for that goes back only into FF14 and its upkeep and development. Promos generate profits on both sides - having FF14 branding on a Butterfinger means people get curious and try the free trial, 14 players buy Butterfingers for what they want that they get in game, win win on both sides from a business perspective.

For the record, Blizzard also runs a cash shop for WoW and their prices are higher than FF14, with added Faction Change for $30. Race Changes sit at $25, and most mounts sit at $25 - one is $15, and another is $30, and their mounts aren't designed for two or more people, just one.

And no, before anyone comes at me over this: I don't like that some things have hit the Mogstation like the spriggan mount or the Pagaga emote instead of a reward or available outside of the cash shop, at least one of their promos was super mishandled and I'm hoping they make that emote available in another way for people, and it's tiring to see people complain over things that, while true in part, are still completely incorrect as a whole with how 14 sale/sub/MS money is used.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

I'm working every day and barely have any free time (9 vacation days this year out of 24) because I have nobody that helps me (am an assistant for a lawyer)
I'm hoarding a lot of money because I know how to not just spend it all

Sometimes I'm feeling like it and endulge myself in commissions and sometimes, I buy items from the mogstation (or gift them, either way)


Not everybody that has money to spare is somehow a rich kid and "wasting" money on your hobby is your choice
I'm wasting less than my sister, that smokes, is into makeup, is into fashion, shoes, etc etc etc and always needs some new shit.

I do what makes me happy sometimes okay, i'm really stressed and exhausted because I have barely any day I don't have to work other than weekends, okay...

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Now picture being in a similar situation and you have to choose between buying something cool on the mogstation or eating.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Now picture being in a similar situation and you have to choose between buying something cool on the mogstation or eating.

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I didn't buy anything unneccessary when I didn't have a job and was struggling to find one and was struggling in school and struggling to have any money for anything.
I wanted to, but I did not.

I have my job for a bit over 2 years now, I'm finally in a situation where i can spend money.
So I will.

Sometimes.

Edit: I could still afford things like games and some goodies here and there back then but I didn't get to have many things I wanted.
Now I can but still don't because I like just having extra money for any emergency.

I literally know how much it sucks to not have something you want sometimes, I was in that boat not too long ago. Me getting this job was the best thing that happened to me, even tho it happened for bad reasons.

Telling others that they shouldn't spend money on their hobby because it's all so "overpriced" just never was in my mind. I spend 1k on a commision that is absolutely beatiful once and I have 0 regrets about it. Even though others may say 1k for a picture is way too much and i Should have spend it smarter or whatever, I don't care.

Other hobbies are legit way more overpriced, even smoking and alcohol and partying alone are, so a company making money even tho "they have so much, are big company, ree" isn't the worst thing to me. It feels like people forget that companies aren't your friends and have to make money because making games costs a lot of money, too. They don't just keep it, they use it to make more games.
Is it a lot for a set? I'm not gonna say no.
Did I still gift it to a friend? Yes
Do i regret it? No, she looks adorable in the sets she made

Doubledit:
I live in Bavaria and soon, Oktoberfest happens here again.
That's such a big moneysink because everything is overpriced as HELL.
Do I shame people that go there instead to other parks that are always there and cheaper? No (well Covid is a thing, so i dont vibe with that, but before all that), if they can, it's their right to do so.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Now picture being in a similar situation and you have to choose between buying something cool on the mogstation or eating.

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My present financial situation is essentially that. I couldn't partake in the sale save one Fantasia because I simply couldn't afford what are luxury purchases beyond my sub itself. Which, to be fair, is higher since I have multiple retainers. Guess what I do? Don't buy things. It's that simple. Granted, I already have a lot of items on my main character but I've wanted the Megashiba for a while now. I just have more important things to spend money on. I could sit here and shake my fist at the nasty company... or just wait until my financial improves to where I can afford to splurge should I choose.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Mogstation is far removed from the game and isn't shoved in your face by any means. So if this is deemed predatory is on the lowest scale. If the cost is to high for you for whatever reason do what I and many others do and simply don't buy it

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I'll argue that it's not predatory at all and people are using the term in a way that doesn't fit this game. Mogstation items are purely optional and cosmetic, and as such give no substantive benefit to the player. Predatory sales tactics are those in which the developer intentionally makes items that give substantive benefits to the player and design the game in such a way that said benefits are necessary to play the game at a more than sub-standard level. Predatory is a "create a problem then sell the solution" situation, or in other terms, design the game so the player is forced to spend money to make up for design deficiencies. In addition to that, having monetization schemes where the currency the person buys is in portions that are either insufficient or way more than is needed to buy items; forcing the player to spend much more than is necessary to get said item.

This game has plenty of items, emotes, mounts, minions, and dyes available strictly though in-game activities that one need not buy anything to get full benefit from their game purchase and subscription. If SE want to charge a premium price for luxury items that's up to them. It's up to the player to decide if that item is worth the price, aka has value to them. It may be distasteful to many to have a cash shop in a game that requires a purchase and subscription, but it's in now way predatory.


As a previous poster said; Mogstation purchases subsidize people who don't buy from it as the extra revenue helps keep sub costs down. Think what you will of people who buy Mogstation stuff, have extra retainers, or both, but realize they're the ones keeping your sub from hitting the $15 per month standard of other subscription models out there.

Yknow maybe bc I'm petty and full of correct opinions but considering the devs screwed over hrothgar for 3 years by charging $10 for an ingame feature everyone else can enjoy, and nobody BUT hrothgar gave a wet fart until zepla dropped that video on hroth/viera hair, I just have to laugh.
Oh you think $22 is ridiculous? Nonsensical for a cosmetic purchase? Gosh tell me all about iiiiiiiituh.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Maybe I'm just weird but the game alone provides far more than mogstation ever will and with that in mind I don't see the issue here.

Mogstation is far removed from the game and isn't shoved in your face by any means. So if this is deemed predatory is on the lowest scale. If the cost is to high for you for whatever reason do what I and many others do and simply don't buy it

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I won't argue the predatory point, cause I don't think I have the right experience/know how to make a definitive statement on that.

I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.

The game itself might not splash it across the screen on login as so many other games do, but it is absolutely advertised overtly and persistently in the form of the playerbase that interact with it.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

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What sort of grinds my gears is the fact that people are saying f2p Games are less predatory because you CAN play them without paying anything. Maybe even endgame!

Just needs a lot of grinding, because you can buy these handy skips and things that can make it faster.
Sets with way better stats than you can get anywhere ingame? Got that! Sometimes they even have really hood effects, too!
Upgrade things for weapons? Yep!
Better pets if any? Yes
Better mounts if any? Yes

So while yes, you can indeed be f2p but chances are, you will never really be part of the current meta or get anything good fast.
And these games really want your money, since its the only way they make money.

Since f2p games „secretly“ is p2w

I see these games more as free to enter and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

I won't argue the predatory point, cause I don't think I have the right experience/know how to make a definitive statement on that.

I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.

The game itself might not splash it across the screen on login as so many other games do, but it is absolutely advertised overtly and persistently in the form of the playerbase that interact with it.

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you must not have to leave your house much, since doing so would have many things "shoved in your face" that you may want only to realize somebody had to buy them at a store. this has to be one of the less well reasoned "takes" on the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

you must not have to leave your house much, since doing so would have many things "shoved in your face" that you may want only to realize somebody had to buy them at a store. this has to be one of the less well reasoned "takes" on the whole thing.

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I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
"Advertising exists in real life, so it's okay in this game"?
Am I to draw a direct parallel to strolling through my local city center and strolling through the Limsa plaza?

I should hope I'm not the first one to tell you this, but games aren't real life, and nor should they be.

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Originally Posted by MagicPeanut

Do you have any proof they don't put the money they make from the online store back into the game?

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The burden of proof there would probably rest on the people saying that they do put it back into the game. Yes, Yoshi has said it's the case but is there any actual evidence? I'm not likely to believe that, especially given Square's recent track record of spaffing money up the wall on stupid things (i.e NFT's)

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.

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In that case, the entire world is an advertisement being shoved in your face. Everyone you see walking down the street is an advertisement for the clothes they're wearing. Everyone holding a branded drink cup in their hand is an advertisement for that company. Every car on the highway is an advertisement for that car maker.

Do you get upset that all those things are getting shoved in your face? Or do you only act that ridiculous over items in a game that you want but don't want to pay for?

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Originally Posted by LilyPendragon

The burden of proof there would probably rest on the people saying that they do put it back into the game. Yes, Yoshi has said it's the case but is there any actual evidence? I'm not likely to believe that, especially given Square's recent track record of spaffing money up the wall on stupid things (i.e NFT's)

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Unless someone is a registered investor in Square Enix, they don't have any right to that type of information beyond whatever public disclosures are required by law.

If you think a company is engaging in shady accounting practices, why are you doing business with them? Why not go find a game where you feel the company is properly investing back in their product?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

In that case, the entire world is an advertisement being shoved in your face. Everyone you see walking down the street is an advertisement for the clothes they're wearing. Everyone holding a branded drink cup in their hand is an advertisement for that company. Every car on the highway is an advertisement for that car maker.

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Yes, it is.

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Do you get upset that all those things are getting shoved in your face?

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Yes, I do, and I do my very best to avoid them.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

Yes, it is.

Yes, I do, and I do my very best to avoid them.

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Somehow I doubt that. If you were truly affected that badly, you wouldn't be subscribed to the game in the first place. You'd be cowering in a closet somewhere with your eyes clenched shut.