1 House 1 FC per DC Only

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Well, what do you understand it as? Is that requirement still valid when the same service account has purchased and maintains multiple FC plots? Why would that be the requirement in the first place?

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You may try to call 988, the may help you to understand basic wording then (and that coming from an non native speaker)

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Only with multiple service accounts or across worlds. If it's in the same world and on the same service account then it breaks the rules and TOS.

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Necromancer strikes again

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The rule only considers your characters that both purchased and maintain their fc house on one server, and at no point does it check if you have separate characters where one has bought a house and one currently maintains a house.

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Yes it does, it just limits that check to the given world.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

What is written is in perfect alignment with what the game allows you to do.

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False. When it was in perfect alignment it caused unintended problems with other parts of the FC code. So it was rolled back and the discrepancy has lived as a loophole ever since.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Yes it does, it just limits that check to the given world.



False. When it was in perfect alignment it caused unintended problems with other parts of the FC code. So it was rolled back and the discrepancy has lived as a loophole ever since.

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Reserve your energy, and go do some community works or volunteer works instead of waste your time here
Maybe, just maybe, your good deed will get you a house on next plot release.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Maybe, just maybe, your good deed will get you a house on next plot release.

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I'm not inclined to break TOS like shell FCs do.

It should be 1 personal house, 1 Apartment and 1 FC house in an fc owned by you per SERVICE ACCOUNT not per dc.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

It should be 1 personal house, 1 Apartment and 1 FC house in an fc owned by you per SERVICE ACCOUNT not per dc.

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? Why the hell would you do that ?

So if I have my main on EU, and I have an alt that I use often on NA, I cant get a house on NA ? Why ?

Hell, why not make it one per family?

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

All I see is the same echo chamber insulting him rather than bringing up any arguments and constantly trying to shut him down and making stop him from posting rather than trying to convince their *missing arguments*.
I mean damn, two of you already went out of their way on other threads to find my FC's plot and directly mentioned it was related to RMT, which is real real harassment.

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We tried, many times. We gave up because every time we bring up a criticism he either ignores it or quotes us out of context and strawmans. I have asked him many times to provide proof of his claims, any of them, and every time he's either ignored me or moved the goalposts. So he's on my block list now. I wish more people would follow suit rather than feeding the troll.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

All I see is the same echo chamber insulting him rather than bringing up any arguments

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He ignores the arguments but I can post mine (which he also ignored) again since you have trouble seeing them.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

The required rules for FC House purchase state you do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Is that requirement still valid when the same service account has purchased and maintains multiple FC plots?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

A service account is not the same thing as a character.

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ Here this will save a lot of trouble..

"You do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot" <-- Does not Apply to the Transfer of FC leadership

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

SE is loaded, fix the problem for once. No more band-aids or limitations for paying customers.

They are quite the joke after this many years and still the same problems on the same scale lol

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You know that 14 doesnt see the majority of the money 14 makes right? It doesnt matter what the team wants/needs you need to convince the Suits to off load more money instead of them chasing the dragon for more GAS games like avengers. Be realistic.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

All I see is the same echo chamber insulting him rather than bringing up any arguments and constantly trying to shut him down and making stop him from posting rather than trying to convince their *missing arguments*.
I mean damn, two of you already went out of their way on other threads to find my FC's plot and directly mentioned it was related to RMT, which is real real harassment.

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I'd like you to not quote my post and put those accusations of harassment in there, thank you very much. I dont care about your FC, or even who you are, your posts are meaningless and you are on board with the other catboy troll.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

He ignores the arguments but I can post mine (which he also ignored) again since you have trouble seeing them.

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So what exactly is your argument then? It couldn't be that you didn't have one I'm sure. When you have multiple characters on the same world, on the same service account, that own a FC plot it's an invalidation of the requirement written. The only reason the loophole exists is because of a technical limitation. It's not an invitation for abuse.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

So what exactly is your argument then? It couldn't be that you didn't have one I'm sure. When you have multiple characters on the same world, on the same service account, that own a FC plot it's an invalidation of the requirement written. The only reason the loophole exists is because of a technical limitation. It's not an invitation for abuse.

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People already explained everything to you enough times, you can stop trolling now

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

People already explained everything to you enough times, you can stop trolling now

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"You're wrong because we say so." isn't really an explanation.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

Just... stop with this trash. FIX THE PROBLEM. Stop making worthless adjustments to an already broken system. FIX IT instead. We've run out of band-aids on a gaping femoral artery bleed.

Our community needs to tell SE to get instanced housing in place and make this available so we can focus energy on improving the QoL instead of people building tents along the housing ward walkways. My God, they treat housing like we are in San Francisco or Los Angeles.

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No; they don't.

The current system can be balanced.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

No; they don't.

The current system can be balanced.

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What do you mean by "balanced" and how do you think SE can achieve that?

Probably by better enforcing plot requirements for ownership. You know, balance the actual ownership as intended.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Probably by better enforcing plot requirements for ownership. You know, balance the actual ownership as intended.

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boo hoo dude, move on with your life already

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

No; they don't.

The current system can be balanced.

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The current system can't be balanced.. FC trade for RMT og GIL is a big thing in FFXIV as well.... it is better to make FC houses instanced where you can enter them eg. via the Grand Company you alligned it with and make wards for people wanting a house only.

Current system does not allow or permit any form of trades between players for player owned housing plots, the FC method does permit RMT and plots is sold on shady sites for Real Life Funds as well as Gil.

Demonetizing special materials for submarines and more could be a good thing as well and other things among it.... such as when you return with your ship/submarine you get 200 of that material you picked up, to prevent the farms from happening as well.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

The current system can't be balanced.. FC trade for RMT og GIL is a big thing in FFXIV as well.... it is better to make FC houses instanced where you can enter them eg. via the Grand Company you alligned it with and make wards for people wanting a house only.

Current system does not allow or permit any form of trades between players for player owned housing plots, the FC method does permit RMT and plots is sold on shady sites for Real Life Funds as well as Gil.

Demonetizing special materials for submarines and more could be a good thing as well and other things among it.... such as when you return with your ship/submarine you get 200 of that material you picked up, to prevent the farms from happening as well.

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I have an idea, how about no ?

Leave housing alone, get your instanced housing if you want, but leave people with a house and fcs with a house alone.

After all the gas lighting I do not believe playing victim suits you. Though I must say there's some poetry in going full circle.

No one wants to take anything away from people who acquired plots as intended, this includes those grandfathered before 2018. There's a reason why the discord and the community at large always warns of the precarious nature of exploiting loopholes. Abuse like that is against TOS and much like shaders flys under the radar until it attracts enough attention.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

After all the gas lighting I do not believe playing victim suits you. Though I must say there's some poetry in going full circle.

No one wants to take anything away from people who acquired plots as intended, this includes those grandfathered before 2018. There's a reason why the discord and the community at large always warns of the precarious nature of exploiting loopholes. Abuse like that is against TOS and much like shaders flys under the radar until it attracts enough attention.

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So you are okay with people with entire wards if they were grandfathered, but not okay with people taking entire wards now.

You are a new breed of troll

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you are okay with people with entire wards if they were grandfathered, but not okay with people taking entire wards now.

You are a new breed of troll

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I think it's time to stop feeding him.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you are okay with people with entire wards if they were grandfathered, but not okay with people taking entire wards now.

You are a new breed of troll

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You know there is a group of FCs on Marileth that is literally the same people Im suspecting, with 1 or two people in said free company. They took the entire Goblet ward 1 plots 31 to 60. How is that even fair for those ppl who want plots? Whatever. Whoever they are must have a lot of Gil to blow to own and entire ward.

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Originally Posted by Shadowkat

You know there is a group of FCs on Marileth that is literally the same people Im suspecting, with 1 or two people in said free company. They took the entire Goblet ward 1 plots 31 to 60. How is that even fair for those ppl who want plots? Whatever. Whoever they are must have a lot of Gil to blow to own and entire ward.

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I was just on NA the other day and there are plenty of houses available still. Instead of focusing on what you can not have, focus on what you can have (if you'd just put in the effort - scary thought-).

Oh I have a house already, I was thinking more about the other players or FCs more so than me. I did my best, saved my gil and got myself a nice house. Its not perfect, but its perfect for me. I'm just baffled that someone bought an entire FC ward. Kinda surprised, but whatever. Housing will always be what ppl grumble about no matter how much they try to balance it. I mean, the lottery system is okay I guess? Not perfect, but its workable.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you are okay with people with entire wards if they were grandfathered, but not okay with people taking entire wards now.

You are a new breed of troll

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YoshiP is a troll?

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Originally Posted by Shadowkat

I'm just baffled that someone bought an entire FC ward.

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Abusing workshops/submarines can allow for some crafty RMTing apparently.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Abusing workshops/submarines can allow for some crafty RMTing apparently.

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There it is again. The premise for your very first piggyback post. Accusing people of RMT. We've come full circle.

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

There it is again. The premise for your very first piggyback post. Accusing people of RMT. We've come full circle.

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But you are saying that it is not? Why should people allow them self to exploit their way with current system to multiple FC houses that takes op plots, it would be better to get rid of the houses and instead making them into guildhalls accessed by the Grand Company you founded the FC at and make it kind of like the squadrons or something down those lines and maybe with a touch of Island Sanctuary as well, but with apartments and a workshop door inside.

FC's need little room to make them keep on going, and instancing it like this would also take alot of ressources away from the server as well, before yelling up about people 'losing' medium/large houses on their FC's and the likes, then take a look of the current business of same named FC's that from place to place block entire wards, serving little use to the health of any of the servers community.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

But you are saying that it is not? Why should people allow them self to exploit their way with current system to multiple FC houses that takes op plots, it would be better to get rid of the houses and instead making them into guildhalls accessed by the Grand Company you founded the FC at and make it kind of like the squadrons or something down those lines and maybe with a touch of Island Sanctuary as well, but with apartments and a workshop door inside.

FC's need little room to make them keep on going, and instancing it like this would also take alot of ressources away from the server as well, before yelling up about people 'losing' medium/large houses on their FC's and the likes, then take a look of the current business of same named FC's that from place to place block entire wards, serving little use to the health of any of the servers community.

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No.

And no.

Thanks for the suggestion though

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

But you are saying that it is not? Why should people allow them self to exploit their way with current system to multiple FC houses that takes op plots, it would be better to get rid of the houses and instead making them into guildhalls accessed by the Grand Company you founded the FC at and make it kind of like the squadrons or something down those lines and maybe with a touch of Island Sanctuary as well, but with apartments and a workshop door inside.

FC's need little room to make them keep on going, and instancing it like this would also take alot of ressources away from the server as well, before yelling up about people 'losing' medium/large houses on their FC's and the likes, then take a look of the current business of same named FC's that from place to place block entire wards, serving little use to the health of any of the servers community.

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Didcha forget to log into your catstarwind account?

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

There it is again. The premise for your very first piggyback post. Accusing people of RMT. We've come full circle.

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Yeah? And who am I accusing of specifically?

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

Didcha forget to log into your catstarwind account?

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Huh?

I will let you, to your little problems, however you are wrong, I am an entirely different person.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Yeah? And who am I accusing of specifically?

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You yourself don't even know.

You do not even have a shred of proof that details an actual RMT transaction between any parties. You and everyone before you. Nothing but assumptions.
All you do is wave around the Terms of Service like some Bible trying to ward away heretics, but without actually reading or acknowledging the nature of it's contents.

That's what a psychopath does.

By the way. The Terms of Service is not evidence.

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Originally Posted by ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain

You yourself don't even know.

You do not even have a shred of proof that details an actual RMT transaction between any parties. You and everyone before you. Nothing but assumptions.
All you do is wave around the Terms of Service like some Bible trying to ward away heretics, but without actually reading or acknowledging the nature of it's contents.

That's what a psychopath does.

By the way. The Terms of Service is not evidence.

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It's pearl clutching that it's possible, and therefore constitutes an emergency that must immediately be acted upon. Also disingenuous, considering they had at least two threads removed because they actually did post names and screenshots. So now we get "I'm not touching you" responses as if all of us who saw those posts have forgotten them.

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Originally Posted by ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain

You yourself don't even know.

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I do know, the answer is no one.

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Originally Posted by ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain

Show the part in the Terms of Service where it actually defines that multiple ownership on a single account will be met with enforcement or consequences.

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Originally Posted by ChooChooTraaaaaaaaain

By the way. The Terms of Service is not evidence.

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Well which one is it? It certainly looks like appeasement

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

So now we get "I'm not touching you" responses as if all of us who saw those posts have forgotten them.

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is always a mistake.

If you have something to offer go for it otherwise the goal post moving is getting pretty trite. But for the sake of posterity I will again post the relevant sections.

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Land Ownership - You do not have a character on the same World on the same service account that purchased and maintains a free company plot

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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It's not a bug or an exploit if the official housing guide describes the conditions and steps required to buy additional houses.