New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

lol.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

"We have no choice but to do it this way" unlike the modders who are actually able make good hair options. Too bad.

Now I wont pretend i know anything about models and stuff, but it seems logical to me that if fans are able to do this in their spare time, the people hired to do this, should be able to do it too.

The whole "its impossible" argument they keep using just seems so wierd, when its clearly possible.

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As mods are clientside only they don't have to work within these 'specifications' he's brought up before (I don't think anyone but them knows what those are though) so that could well be true.

What's a bit confusing though is the "the ears and head are integrally molded" bit, we can see the ears are attached to the head model so wouldn't that mean the ears would just stick through a hairstyle layered on top rather than disappear?

I find this FASCINATING!

Completely throws into the wood chipper the theory or notion that "Because of MV, Viera and Hrothgar are no longer coupled together!" seeing as they gave both Hrothgar and MV the same selection of shared hairstyles, which MV shared/ mirrored with FV. This could imply that "What hair works for BOTH races" may be a constraint on which are picked (We all know Windcaller would look better on Hrothgar males than the 2B style, but I'm sure 2B was high priority for FV ... even if MV likely weren't gonna use it. Plus, we will be getting Female Hrothgar ... BUT they're not in the game yet, so Male Hrothgar just have 2 feminine AF hairstyles in the 2B and Karen for no reason other than Viera have them! Interesting!).

So yeah, I'm assuming any shared hair that Viera get (they seem to get hair first) will become a shared hair for that sex of Hrothgar.

Why are they willing to hide ears for Hrothgar but not Viera? I think it's simply because Viera without ears looks human, whereas you can tell a Hrothgar by looking at his face and body hair at a glance, even if you take off the ears.

Anyway, not exactly sure what people thought was gonna happen. They didn't make unique hair for the far more popular Viera ... them getting shared hair ALWAYS seemed like the only path to me. Ears? I think of cat wigs personally.
https://i.etsystatic.com/25086969/r/...10914_1pf3.jpg

Worried how female Hroths are going to look now. They don't appear to be ready to show anything regarding that addition. I will say the hair shown doesn't look very good and far from what I was expecting. They should just add more custom specific styles and stay away from styles that would hide the ears,

Ha! This is garbage.

Jesus christ, those look bad...

See, I just don’t understand why, if the current hrothgar heads are so limiting in how they work, they didn’t allocate any resources to try and rework them. Again, I know they’re busy with a lot of other things in this game, but this isn’t just some small point for hrothgar players, this is a basic thing every other race has that we’ve been asking for for a very long time.

Retrofitting other Hroth's faces hairstyles is totally doable, with some tools that aren't even mods you can easily try every Hroth exclusive hairstyle in every Hrothgar face.

They just don't fit well in some parts because every Hroth's face is uniquely sculpted, but with some quick tweaking you can get them well fitted for every face in so little time... also the head+ears and the hair are sculpted separately by default, so there shouldn't be any troubles making different hairs for Hroth or picking the existing ones and adapting them properly to their heads.

Hair and face are not melted together or anything, they're just lying and making stupid excuses hoping for us to shut up and accept the rubbish they came out with after 3 years waiting and having to pay a fantasia to change between 2 hairstyles, disgusting.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

They should just add more custom specific styles and stay away from styles that would hide the ears,

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It doesn't sound like any particular style is even the problem but something inherently weird with how they made them.

It almost sounds like he's saying the ears just don't work in combination with anything but their original hairstyles because they're somehow "housed" in the original hair? :confused: I don't even know how or if that makes sense but what do I know lol

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It doesn't sound like any particular style is even the problem but something inherently weird with how they made them.

It almost sounds like he's saying the ears just don't work in combination with anything but their original hairstyles because they're somehow "housed" in the original hair? :confused: I don't even know how or if that makes sense but what do I know lol

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it's not even true. the ears are attached to the head. there was a visual bug some time ago that made hrothgar bald, and their ears were attached to the head and not the hair, so this excuse is a complete lie

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it's not even true. the ears are attached to the head. there was a visual bug some time ago that made hrothgar bald, and their ears were attached to the head and not the hair, so this excuse is a complete lie

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Yes I'm aware, but that would be a display bug on the players end, no? The hair wouldn't literally disappear and everyone saw bald Hrothgar walking around, so as far as the game client is concerned the hair is still very much there and so the ears would be as well?

Please note that I'm not saying that makes it okay or fine, it looks bad, just trying to make sense of what he's saying the reason is.

I was expecting Hrothgar to get hair like Lyon's hair, but no! They get an ear erasure and a WIG! SE please?? Is this April Fool's joke??

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Originally Posted by SacraAnima

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH0H9m6X...jpg&name=small

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This is just what I keep thinking of. It's not impossible and modders have clearly done it. It's not like Hrothgar have a super unique face style unlike Charr from GW2.

Issue is, will SE actually look at this thread and hear people out? Memes and vitriol aside.

We know Hrothgar are a project Yoshida had in mind since HSW. He wanted a bestial race for a while, he made Au Ra look more bestial in the concept art than they ended up looking, he experimented with the Lupines and from it all got Hrothgars\Ronso. Yet he doesn't play one to our knowledge, and it feels like the problems they've had since got swept under the rug. Now, I don't want to blame it all on Yoshida, that isn't what I'm trying to say. What I am trying to say is that whosever job this was, even if it was a collective, needs to understand that this doesn't look right and it shows. And that to many people, for whatever reason (personal attachments, identity, social minority, even lore people who liked Bozja, fans of FF10 or someone like Yoshida himself who wanted a Bestial race of whatever kind), this is a disappointment.

I understand there are limitations. I understand they are understaffed\overworked. Maybe both. But for the past 3 years I've seen a lot of people say "It's fine, we don't need to implement another gender, we need to make what's already in the game feel good because who knows how long it will take to implement that gender". And the devs do know that they have a lot of good faith in the community. People can be patient, people can wait. It's not a modder's job to fix this, it's Square's job. But we waited 3-ish years for this. And why? For fears that thing clip, when everything in the game clips regardless? It's not even that bad, look at the images of mods going around. Allocate resources to it like you have for Male Viera and like you will for the races you want to improve.

Because I'm sorry, but Hrothgar players already feel like they don't matter because they're a very tiny minority of the playerbase as it is. The only reason we even have any attention at the moment is because Viera players and their supporters think we have the same problems they do, when in reality Hrothgars have it worse. And it is worse feeling like a Hrothgar can't have nice things when all the other races do.

Wait, what's going to happen to the earings we are wearing? Are they going to be Yet Another Thing that won't show up on Hrothgar that decide to go earless?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Issue is, will SE actually look at this thread and hear people out? Memes and vitriol aside.

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I think they'll hear the disappointment loud and clear. They should have stuck with the beast race look and simply made additional Hrothgar custom hairs and perhaps improved on the ability to customise without a fantasia. Making them look more human with human styles seems to have been a bad decision. The question is why has it's taken so long to get what we're getting.

As a Viera I'm happy with what we got and hope we see a lot more but I'd be upset if they took away our ears to provide us more hairstyles.

Agreed. We shouldn't have to sacrifice our ears in order to get different hairstyles when we know that the ears are attached to the head more than they are attached to the hair. I'd rather keep the base 8 hairstyles that modders have shown that can work on all 4 faces. And just be able to swap between them whilst Squeen figures out how to make good hair for hrothgar. I'd rather wait than get something half-assed.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think they'll hear the disappointment loud and clear. They should have stuck with the beast race look and simply made additional Hrothgar custom hairs and perhaps improved on the ability to customise without a fantasia. Making them look more human with human styles seems to have been a bad decision. The question is why has it's taken so long to get what we're getting.

As a Viera I'm happy with what we got and hope we see a lot more but I'd be upset if they took away our ears to provide us more hairstyles.

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Nah, they wont hardly bat an eye bc people have literally requested Lyse, Hilda and Hien's hair for years- and nothing yet.
We wanted more hairs for Hrothgar and we gottem.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Remember when they said Hrothgars would be among the most customizable races? Well, that isn't exactly true given our limitations on the character creation menu. But one of the few things we can change are our ears, limited as that may also be. But lol nah we're just getting rid of that one nugget too.

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The exact words were "They will have a Robust customization." However, I feel it was a mistranslation and probably literally meant that they're a large race.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Nah, they wont hardly bat an eye bc people have literally requested Lyse, Hilda and Hien's hair for years- and nothing yet.
We wanted more hairs for Hrothgar and we gottem.

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Those are NPC's hairstyles, it's different. You already got a phletora of hairstyles, while us, no.

I wouldn't say we got hairs... They ported over the hairstyles that are popular on races that work with the shape of their head. Whilst receiving none of the hairstyles that actually WORK with the shape of the head bar one. And even then we were shafted because on other races with ears. In particular Miqo'te:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ear_Cherry.png

The ears poke through. Despite the fact that Miqo'te ears are actually WORSE than hrothgar ears when it comes to hairstyles. They're just a flat texture and have the 'top' of the ear added to them with each hairstyle. When it comes to making hairstyle for races, would that not be more complex than allowing a bit of clipping? I'd rather Squeen take a bit more time to find a workaround to this considering what has taken them 3+ years has taken modders months to do.

It's why the Base Miqo'te hairstyles that are Miqo'te unique have the tinted tips to them. because really all Miqo'te hairstyles have this extra bit that serves as the outside of the ear.

Hairs that in my opinion could work for Hrothgar are :

Wind Caller, Rainmaker, Gyr Abanian Plait, Discount Hien Ponytail that's common for all races, Pulse.

These can all work with the shape of Hrothgar's Head. But instead they choose the hairstyles that they ported over to Male Viera, the race with a similar headshape to the other characters. OF COURSE it's gonna look garbage on Hrothgar. It's a different shape.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Worried how female Hroths are going to look now. They don't appear to be ready to show anything regarding that addition. I will say the hair shown doesn't look very good and far from what I was expecting. They should just add more custom specific styles and stay away from styles that would hide the ears,

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I read through 13 pages of comments just to see if anyone would bring this up. Grats on being the first.

I was always against Hrothgar to begin with feeling their look was just to rubber faced & unnecessary to the game, but understood that was just MY opinion & others wanted them.

Looking at what the devs rolled out looks like something i would have done via malicious compliance... & that's saying something, even i feel bad for those that waited for this wretched showing.

However, this was to be expected. Back when they were announced Yoshi did say they were going to be very unique in their design, so certain aspects of their build necessitated certain limitations to the mapping of gear/ hair options.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Called it then, laughing now. I was never a fan of Hrothgar, the fact their face/hair are tied shows them to be little more than mask wearing Rogadyne with tails and bad posture. Implementation of Aura didn't separate horns, so i see no reason to expect a change with Hrothgar. I will not continue to call the dev team lazy, however i will see this as further proof Hrothgar was a mistake. Sadly Male Viera were sacrificed for a race with limited customization.

http://i.imgur.com/0Zc7f4d.gif

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Didn't think i would get to use this again...

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Nah, they wont hardly bat an eye bc people have literally requested Lyse, Hilda and Hien's hair for years- and nothing yet.
We wanted more hairs for Hrothgar and we gottem.



The exact words were "They will have a Robust customization." However, I feel it was a mistranslation and probably literally meant that they're a large race.

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"We gottem". That isn't what people are complaining. And imo it's good people aren't settling for less. If any other race had this problem, they'd all up in arms just the same.

And I seriously doubt that's what it means. That's not at all what the word means in context. Also I doubt Japanese has a word with that sort of synonym as "Robust". "Robust customization" means "solid customization\customization with more or better options". If you want to say you'll be customizing a large race, then you'd say other words in conjunction to that. It's not even a matter of being vague, that's literally grasping at straws to justify what has been said. Also, speaking as a translator here but it's ridiculously easy to blame translations for everything people misunderstand. We have people here who know Japanese enough to be more specific than "probably". That just isn't how people refer to "robust characters" when it comes to customizing them, it'd be non-English. And for as many flaws as Business Division 3's interpreters may have, they're not bad to the point of making such a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I read through 13 pages of comments just to see if anyone would bring this up. Grats on being the first.

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People have been saying the same so far just with different words. Perhaps your reading comprehension requires a bit of tuning before you decide to be smug.

3 years for this, huh?

Do we still need a Fantasia to change our hairstyle? lol.

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Originally Posted by Nekuroi

Those are NPC's hairstyles, it's different. You already got a phletora of hairstyles, while us, no.

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I understand exactly where you're coming from bc I played a Hrothgar for a short time, but the clown makeup got kind of heavy after they were ignored for this long and still are being ignored. Idk what player base they listen to but it clearly isn't the FFXIV Hrothgar one.
But also, there is no harm in wanting QUALITY hairstyles that NPC's have. Regardless of how many we have- only a fraction of the "plethora" are actually "good."
Enough doesn't = good quality.
Asking for NPC hairs is always met with resistance from other players in some way just like you did here. I support Hrothgar having more hairs- better hairs and them being allowed to talk to change hairs for gil and not fantasia.

I came from 8 years of GW2 and many of those years I played a Charr- and Hrothgar are getting the Charr treatment. Anet's excuse was "bc they are the least played race" but never considered if they actually fixed the problems persisting with them that the # of Charr players would likely increase.

*the ears are housed within the hair*
Actual lie, you can glitch the game to remove their hair and they won't lose their ears.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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I feel that it was a mistranslation and it's perfectly valid that I think it is. Otherwise it's a lie, and the clown makeup is skewing people's views.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

I feel that it was a mistranslation and it's perfectly valid that I think it is. Otherwise it's a lie, and the clown makeup is skewing people's views.

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Are you a translator? If so, what are your qualifications? Are you a Japanese native with enough experience to translate into English or back? You can't just up and make up a translation just because you feel like it is right. Not to mention a language has rules of use, and that is not how one would refer to the same context whatsoever.

But I see it'll fall on deaf ears regardless. So w\e.

In the end really. It's stupid. We've waited 3+ years for this. And we get this?
Imagine if it was done on a different race. People would be up in arms about it. But Hrothgar? Only 3% of the playerbase plays them. Not worth it.

Most people basically just view hrothgar as Furry Roegadyns. And sure, our models may share the same proportions when it comes to gear. But I wouldn't fantasia to a Roegadyn anytime soon. I can assure you of that. I'd sooner become a Lala than fantasia to Roegadyn. The appeal for some of us players isn't 'OOO BIG BEEFY MAN', or something along those lines. To some of us it's the appeal of playing something that doesn't look human. Something that's different. It's the same reason why people play Worgen and Tauren in WoW, and Charr in GW2. And Argonians and Khajit in Elder Scrolls. If they did this to Miqo'te. People would be up in arms in support. And even the JP forums are agreeing in the idea that taking away the ears just removes the point of the race to begin with.

If you take a Miqo'te's ears away, they're just Hyur. If you take a Viera's ears away. They're just Hyur. But you take a hrothgar's ears away? It just looks wrong.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"We gottem". That isn't what people are complaining. And imo it's good people aren't settling for less. If any other race had this problem, they'd all up in arms just the same.

And I seriously doubt that's what it means. That's not at all what the word means in context. Also I doubt Japanese has a word with that sort of synonym as "Robust". "Robust customization" means "solid customization\customization with more or better options". If you want to say you'll be customizing a large race, then you'd say other words in conjunction to that. It's not even a matter of being vague, that's literally grasping at straws to justify what has been said. Also, speaking as a translator here but it's ridiculously easy to blame translations for everything people misunderstand. We have people here who know Japanese enough to be more specific than "probably". That just isn't how people refer to "robust characters" when it comes to customizing them, it'd be non-English. And for as many flaws as Business Division 3's interpreters may have, they're not bad to the point of making such a mistake.



People have been saying the same so far just with different words. Perhaps your reading comprehension requires a bit of tuning before you decide to be smug.

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No need to be cross, Yoshi & the devs are just saying there's only...

so many ways to skin a cat.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

No need to be cross, Yoshi & the devs are just saying there's only...

so many ways to skin a cat.

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You really aren't helping. We don't need people here defending what is blatant laziness from the developers... If we are content with sub-par content, It'll be a slippery slope that eventually results in the game itself becoming sub-par. We're complaining about this because we love this game. We want to see an improvement and don't want to see a game that we put time and money into start to sink because the developers accept sub-par results.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

No need to be cross, Yoshi & the devs are just saying there's only...

so many ways to skin a cat.

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they are being lazy and gave an extremely vague excuse as to why they don't have ears despite the fact that there are mods that feature the same exact hairstyles, but have the ears. they had the GALL to say "just pretend like the ears are inside the hair" as if that wouldn't piss off every hrothgar player out there.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

they are being lazy and gave an extremely vague excuse as to why they don't have ears despite the fact that there are mods that feature the same exact hairstyles, but have the ears. they had the GALL to say "just pretend like the ears are inside the hair" as if that wouldn't piss off every hrothgar player out there.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH0H9m6X...jpg&name=small Literally as Posted Here. We know that they work. And modders have figured this out. It took them months to do this. But it takes Squenix years.

Wait, was this not a joke?

Oh. Oh no.

this is really really bad and ugly

We were told viera & hroth would have unique hairs since they had unique features- I was personally excited to see what they would come up with & as others have pointed out (idr if it was in this thread or another one), we shouldn't have to ask for these things when we were told we'd get them.
Another problem is is we don't know how to reach out constructively to get the proper attention because it certainly doesn't feel like we're really even being considered- the only way else I could think is through the support desk lol
I don't care about clipping personally, because something will always clip. I'd rather have good hairstyles even if they clip- there are plenty of glamours that we can use to resolve any issues if folks have them.

Why even design such a race to just treat it like a red headed stepchild - I'd have been happy if yoshida just said "we're still working on adding hairs to hrothgar and viera" and show us concept art of what the intend to look like- 3 years is a long time to only be given these.
but this is 100% a disappointment
I just hope viera atleast finally got y'sthola's hair.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

No need to be cross, Yoshi & the devs are just saying there's only...

so many ways to skin a cat.

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I never understood the point of people coming into a thread and poking and prodding at the people who are genuinely upset with something that affects them as a player/pay customer...

I hope that when the patch comes we discover that we can use the racial hairstyles from the other faces, with ears included, at least... and without paying a fantasia to change the hair. But not even I can be too certain of that now. I Just hope yoshi-p sees the total dissatisfaction from the community and does something about it... even if it's just letting the ears clip. I still love being a hrothgar and don't wanna be a roe...

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Originally Posted by Starshower

. I still love being a hrothgar and don't wanna be a roe...

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Same. I would go Lala before I went Roe.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Wait, was this not a joke?

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Sadly no, It was bad enough to be an April fool, removing ears (like they started doing for Miquo'te too) and doing Karen hair to boot.

I feel bad for my Hroth friends. The modders have shown what can be done.

But the blonde Karen, the pink hair with 2b outfit....

I thought it was one of the best deadpan delivered April Fools jokes ever.

LOL god.