No one logged in today because of Lost Ark

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yet even with it being a sub based mmo i continue to see downgrades and a lack of improvements with specific aspects of 14. My point however was moreso about companies wanting to make as much money as possible, sub based mmo’s are a good example of this.

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FFXIV is a far better game now than it was in ARR. The game constantly brings in new players and is better than ever. However, the game does need an engine upgrade to deal with certain limitations.

Yoshi P literally gave us 21 days free and suspended further sales. Such a move is pretty much unprescedented in gaming history. Yet, somehow, you're here complaining about money-grabbing in a game that has consistently delivered quality content for 8 years straight. To even compare this game to F2P MMOs with highly predatory in-game cash shops and no other content than mindless grind is missing the mark pretty hard. Every single good MMO in 2022 is sub-based or B2P. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Me: Log on after work, do normal raids, run expert roulette, log off per usual.

Forum: ZOMG GAME IS LITERALLY DECEASED.

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Limsa's certainly not poppin' like it usually is, but it's not all Lost Ark's fault. lol But yeah, still plenty of people around to do stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

lol

I'm having to prioritize from here on out, so I'll be going with Horizon Forbidden West, but I do plan to snag Elden Ring at some point.

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Im so conflicted, probably going to play both simultaneously!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Limsa's certainly not poppin' like it usually is, but it's not all Lost Ark's fault. lol But yeah, still plenty of people around to do stuff.

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shhhhhh >:U, we're finally about to kill off the wow boogeyman

What's a Lost Ark?

Luckily, I only play one game at a time, and I can see myself continuing to play this one for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Most of us who have been around a while see prettier and prettier MMOs making the same mistakes, I can even list the main ones.

- The general gaming community is not interested in punishing games, they are and will always be niche.

- The general gaming community is not interested in lots of grinding.

- Current MMO devs (the ones that aren't MBAs who never played a video game) tend to be made up of first and second generation MMO players, trying to recreate EverQuest or WoW, or some PvP focused MMO that modern MMO players don't want.

- Along with the previous item, the MMO fanbase has a group of loud but ultimate not numerically significant first and second gen MMO players who claim to want old school MMOs or PvP MMOs, they do not speak for much of anyone.

So when devs do those above things, they unsurprisingly crash and burn.

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Have you even looked into Lost Ark, or do you just have a vendetta for seemingly any new mmo?


Lost Ark has a lot of casual content and horizontal progression. You don't need to focus on doing the top end raids to have fun. I'm loving lost ark and my focus is actually getting the collectables, some combat content that is not savage raid difficulty, and some occasional pvp. Progging savage in ff already stresses me out so I don't want to bother high end raiding, I'm just vibing. Casual people grind when they're having their casual fun like getting glamours or mounts they like in ff for example. It's free after all, doesn't hurt to try and delete if you don't like it. You don't have to "pay to win" if you're not interested in "winning" aka being super strong for super hard raids. It doesn't have a sub so you don't need to feel bad for dropping it whenever. It doesn't have to be a life commitment or your forever game, as long as you're having fun it's just another game lol


FF is better in a looot of ways, but that's because we actually pay a sub so we don't need the predatory monetization or whatever. But you are paying to win access to that fun. The monthly sub. Free is free.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Do you guys even ever pause to consider whether you should be talking about a game despite having no knowledge of it? LA is a theme park MMO. There are a lot of issues with LA but the rabid fervent barking is just sad and reeks of insecurity.

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Its p2w.

Cash shop is already predatory.

Has immense grind.

A generic, predictable story.

Literally has loot boxes.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

What's a Lost Ark?

Luckily, I only play one game at a time, and I can see myself continuing to play this one for a long time.

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It's a Korean mmo and has not only all the bad things that affect a typical Korean mmo but it also has phone gacha elements and literally has loot boxes.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I wish people stopped repeating that Yoshida quote because based on how the game is designed, it absolutely does not want you to unsub.

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True. But the game is also so designed, that you do not burnout and start really hate the game. This happened to me in WoW retail. I burned out in Wrath of the Lichking and stopped playing it for 8 years. Then i came back for WoW classic. If they would not release WoW classic i would propably never touch WoW again. This never happened to me in FF14. I stopped playing it and after i was done with WoW classic i came back for Endwalker. This is IMHO a much better approach then the other game devs do. :)




Cheers

I still see a queue every time I log into FFXIV, lol

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Do you guys even ever pause to consider whether you should be talking about a game despite having no knowledge of it?

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I'm not sure what you expect people to do, play every single game out there?

That being said, some games don't know how to advertise themselves. LA seems to very much advertise itself as an end-game focused grindy progression MMO. It seemed aimed at the hardcore player. Maybe it isn't that, but then it does a very bad job of getting that across, and I'm not sure what people expect from outsiders.

But the bigger issue is the predatory tactics, that makes me not even want to install it because I don't want to support that shit.

And apparently there was rampant duping of the Founders Packs in Lost Ark

Have fun valiant defenders.

My favorite thing is that a lot of current LA players were happy to see New World fail (some people just want to watch the MMORPG world burn, I guess), but now LA is being managed in the West by the same company... this is going to get really weird.

Looks like there is a lot of salt in this thread, and I fail to see the issue. A new, good game released with a good track record, so what ? People might stick, or might not, if anything competition pushes companies to try out new things.

You don't find the whole cycle of "hey new game!" "this will be the best game evah!" *3 months pass* "this game sucks! Wtf are devs smoking! Fire them all!" "oh, hey, another new game! shiny!" a bit weird?

I don't mind a given person getting into Lost Ark (gambling practices aside). If most of the conversation was "Hey, this upcoming game is pretty cool because of this interesting combat system and horizontal progression!" I'd be all for it. But pretty much all mentions of Lost Ark I've been bombarded with have been about how it's going to come over and kill all the other games and I am fucking tired of all the gamers who fall for marketing hook and sinker and then 3 months later when the game is insufficiently perfect turn around and trash it and talk about how developers need to be fired. And then also start attacking all the people who still like the game.

There seem to be a contingent of gamers where it feels them with glee at the idea that a game other people may very well love might lose players to some other game. Or that some games are bad to play and some games are good to play. People have done this to WoW for ages, and Destiny, too, and it's pathetic and always has been. If you pit games against each other, you don't deserve them.

So it's not really about Lost Ark itself. It's about how some of you treat it like it'll be god's gift to gaming when it's just another game that may or may not succeed in a rather ruthless market. So when you say that we want to know what exactly is it that you've seen in it that makes it so special, and we look at it and it just seems like a fairly average Korean grinder, and we think you fell for marketing. Again. As you've done 30 times before.

Good games are otherwise a personal affair, because people with refined taste know what they want and are not just chasing the latest shiny...

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

And apparently there was rampant duping of the Founders Packs in Lost Ark

Have fun valiant defenders.

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First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?

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The classics never go out of style.

alternatively...

The exploit so nice, they released it twice!

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

And apparently there was rampant duping of the Founders Packs in Lost Ark

Have fun valiant defenders.

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Rofl I swear, AGS is so incredibly incompetent.
It's beyond ridiculous at this point they've only been screwing up constantly even since way before the game came out, and in like two days they've manage to screw multiple things up already.
I feel bad for Smilegate I hope they drop them and self-publish.

Edit: The funniest thing was also when the game director in the interview before launch said that he was completely baffled because AGS hadn't told us why the game was delayed.
So people had been hating on AGS for it speculating wildly about why it's their fault it was delayed.
In truth it was because the game director wanted to add T3 on launch, so it wasn't even their fault.

The game director said that he didn't understand why they hadn't told us and that he was really surprise to read online that people were mad at AGS for it.
The incompetency on display is just hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

First New World, now Lost Ark. Does Amazon have some sort of specialty in creating duping problems or something?

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Duping is fairly common in games in general. The difference mostly is in how Amazon reacts. I think they end up to be even more short-sighted than your average greedy company so they think ignoring the issues and not properly addressing them will save them money.

You know why ARR succeeded? It wasn't just luck. FF publishes also understood the value of reputation. AGS clearly doesn't.

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Originally Posted by MidnightEquinox

Duping is fairly common in games in general. The difference mostly is in how Amazon reacts. I think they end up to be even more short-sighted than your average greedy company so they think ignoring the issues and not properly addressing them will save them money.

You know why ARR succeeded? It wasn't just luck. FF publishes also understood the value of reputation. AGS clearly doesn't.

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It's very sad, I've genuinely been excited about Lost Ark but AGS have only been screwing things up since the very beginning.
Their handling of PR and the localization has just been completely awful.

It really sucks that Korean games in particular are so hard to get in the West properly because I really love them they're so different and have great gameplay.
I truly hope Smilegate drops AGS at some point and buys themselves out and self-publishes.
The game director seems like a no bs type of guy and I think the guy who owns Smilegate owns it 100%.

I really want Lost Ark to succeed I want to play it on the side next to FFXIV but I have absolutely zero faith in AGS and they've done nothing but prove me right for having no faith in them.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

And apparently there was rampant duping of the Founders Packs in Lost Ark

Have fun valiant defenders.

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You know FFXIV has had item dupes too, right?

There was also a database exploit that allowed you to essentially freely edit your character data, including granting yourself levels and gil.

People were making hundreds, even thousands of dollars duping and selling gil to goldsellers lol.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Can't even get a weekly reclear going smh

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Really? I find Lost Ark very generic and a shameless clone of BDO.

It's very weird to me that every time a new MMO opens up, this community is always quick with being tribalistic and passive-aggressive towards it.

Like, not even "funny" weird, just genuinely off-putting.

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Originally Posted by DubiousDisk

It's very weird to me that every time a new MMO opens up, this community is always quick with being tribalistic and passive-aggressive towards it.

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I've had intermittent thoughts about giving WoW Classic another go over the past couple of months. *Gasp*! I still think of LotRO with a lot of fondness. *shock*!

The most fun I've had in any MMO was during the pre-BC, Vanilla, version of WoW, but I think of XIV in ways I never thought of V-WoW. XIV's my favorite MMO ever and is the one I've always come back to after derping around with other games. Are other games bad? Some are, sure, but that's a development/administrative thing, not a case of being bad because it's not XIV. MMOs are like people; we give them a chance until we find the one we want to invest time and energy into. It doesn't mean the other games are bad; they're just not to a person's specific tastes. I've got friends who love BDO but couldn't get into other MMOs. I tried ESO at launch then discovered XIV when the luster wore off and found Eorzea to be a place I wanted to spend my time in.

I really don't get why people decry a game that's not the one they've synched with as bad or DoA and get some perverse joy when it settles out with a small, but dedicated player base after the first rush. A fair number of my FC mates are going to go AWOL when Elden Ring comes out, but you know what? They still love XIV and will be back. I can't see how a reasonable person would consider this a betrayal or anything other than people wanting to play a game they're interested in and excited about.

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truly hope Smilegate drops AGS at some point and buys themselves out and self-publishes

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If they grow big enough I bet they will follow PA route and take control of all their games in a distand future (if you watch game director LA interview you can tell that guy is not happy with AGS at all). Also, Smilegate is already working on a solution for all duped items. Since money is on the line this time around probably will be somewhat fixed.

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Really? I find Lost Ark very generic and a shameless clone of BDO.

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They don't have anything to do with each other, like at all. Not even the same MMO genre. I'm surprise reading something like that.

The new new world. I wanted to try it but I dont have enough time to play 2 MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

And apparently there was rampant duping of the Founders Packs in Lost Ark

Have fun valiant defenders.

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new world all over again lmao

And now they're having to close servers to new characters, too... and there are no transfers. *sigh* *gets out popcorn*

How do we get Asmongold to play FFXIV again?

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Originally Posted by myahele

How do we get Asmongold to play FFXIV again?

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Add more chocobo racing tracks and add specific rewards.

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Originally Posted by MidnightEquinox

And now they're having to close servers to new characters, too... and there are no transfers. *sigh* *gets out popcorn*

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On FFXIV we just call that a Tuesday.

https://i.imgur.com/zbwj6ZN.png

*stares in Louisoix*

"No one logged into day"

Hi, I'm no one! I logged in today.

Meanwhile, I'm obsessively playing Pokemon: Legends of Arceus and just got back to playing XIV. Lol, at least the servers don't seem very congested anymore. xD

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Originally Posted by DubiousDisk

It's very weird to me that every time a new MMO opens up, this community is always quick with being tribalistic and passive-aggressive towards it.

Like, not even "funny" weird, just genuinely off-putting.

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What new mmo that has come out actually met expectations and didn't quietly die down to niche status or shut down? Cuz I cannot recall a single one in recent years.

Please send help...

I have a coworker who is fanboying all over the place over this game and wants me to play (he's been watching Twitch shills). I basically talked him into playing FFXIV so I can't really just tell him to P*** off. SO I think I'm going to be forced to play through it's lackluster (so I hear) MSQ.

I've heard some reports that the story is not necessarily bad. Generally, I haven't found that review sites and the like are very good at reviewing the story of a game. Often they don't pay enough attention, especially if the game is endgame focused.

On the other hand, by the sounds of it, good luck finding a server to play on. xD

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

What new mmo that has come out actually met expectations and didn't quietly die down to niche status or shut down? Cuz I cannot recall a single one in recent years.

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ESO, I suppose?

So the lost ark story isn't bad perse it's totally nowhere near as good as ffxiv however it's serviceable to good the game really shines with it's gameplay if you are into diablo style combat lots of mobs exploding bits etc. the nice thing is it is pretty easy to jump in then put down and it's also free is it my main MMO no did it replace my backup which is the ole trusty WoW yes. My recommendation give it a shake like it is great hate it uninstall and tell your friend just not my style. :)

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Originally Posted by MidnightEquinox

I've heard some reports that the story is not necessarily bad. Generally, I haven't found that review sites and the like are very good at reviewing the story of a game. Often they don't pay enough attention, especially if the game is endgame focused.

On the other hand, by the sounds of it, good luck finding a server to play on. xD

ESO, I suppose?

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Nah, Lost Ark's story is mind-numbingly boring. I'm really just playing it for the PvP and I enjoy the class design.

I tried lost ark for 2 days now and feel like I wasted my money. I think Final Fantasy 14 has spoiled me. I cant get out of the prologue or tutorial or whatever its called. Its boring, the spells dont feel like they are snappy and responsive, Ive heard better voice acting from like $5 adult games on steam. The graphics feel dated and the characters are oversexualized, especially the females. The story so far is non-existant. Quests are too short and meaningless. I thought it looked like a mobile game before I played it. Now that ive played it, it looks and feels like a mobile game.

Also, a gender locked game with character creation in 2022? lolol.

And yes. It is 100% pay to win. Asmongold leveled up yesterday by opening a loot crate item on stream. He got exp for open a chest lmao.

I started playing ARPGs with a Diablo 1 demo PC-CDROM I got free as a kid with a PCGamer magazine. Ive been around the isometric arpg genre and mmorpg's since Ruins of Kunark. I kinda hate Lost Ark but im going to keep giving a chance for a bit longer.

Btw, if one likes isometric ARPGs, I recommend checking out Last Epoch. It's in Early Access and in the process of adding multiplayer atm I believe, but it's a blast and I'm eagerly awaiting the full release. :)