Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

I'd guess no but not sure if we ever had a example being made of someone streaming and using cactbot.
iirc they did crack down on people who used the auto markers though so there is some they are intolerante against, unless I imagined that.

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You'd be surprised how quickly action can be taken once something starts to go out of hand.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

Only.. they're still breaking the rules. It doesn't matter if one thinks there's 'harm' in it or not. They are still breaking the rules, 3rd party software is not allowed or condoned. The only existing thing is the 'don't ask don't tell' policy, mostly because they can't and won't install spyware on your system. Doesn't mean that anyone who sees someone using 3rd party software isn't completely, one hundred percent right for reporting it.

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Yoshi P said in an interview that if you are getting in trouble for a 3rd party addon, then your are probably already in trouble for harassment. Looking at the actions and statements of the people running the show, it really looks like they only care about 3rd party addons when used for harrasment and exclusion. Sure they can report someone just simply using one, but it is a waste of time. We going to report all the housing people that abuse glitches to decorate? That is also against the rules. No? Then just move one from the 3rd party issue.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Nonsense. You did not do individual callouts, not in the way Cactbot does it. It does way more than you, as a caller, can ever hope to do.

"Wind out, ice in" during Intermediate Relativity is not the type of callout I'm talking about. This is simply calling the order of the timers on those mechanics.

You did not whisper in the ear of every single player in your party telling them where to go at every step of the mechanic.

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Well, for coil I did.

And half my static now is on Playstation. I just called out mechanics as they came up. Fortunately, they are competent, and able to read their own debuffs.

I don't give a crap how other people want to play this game. This isn't an Olympic race, nor am I paid to play, nor is there a prize at the end for a win. If I were in a world-first race or some kind of E-Sports event, or competing against other players in any way, then I could see getting bent over someone else using the FFXIV equivalent of Deadly Boss Mods. However, I don't do any of the above, nor do 98% of the other humans that play this game.

So, to those upset about someone else using third-party addons, if those users of addons are costing you money or prestige, I understand. You are the 2%. Put down your foot and complain. Talk to your media and publicity teams. Make sure your image isn't tarnished, and if it is, then send a cease-and-desist. I'm sure your legal people can take care of that.

But to anyone else - those of us that don't have media teams, publicity teams, or images to maintain - stop and think a beat. You're effectively playing playground basketball on the west side, but complaining about some dude playing playground basketball on the east side who uses a wooden crate to make his dunks. That guy isn't costing you money, prestige, or time, nor are his actions affecting your ball game in any way, shape or form. It's the exact same situation when you see streamers using addons. They're just some dude, across town, using a crutch in their game.

Come on, folks. Peel your eyes away from what other people are doing in benign, subjective entertainment, and focus on your own lives. If you somehow feel that intensely upset about someone else using addons, send in a report. You're right, addons violate the ToS / EULA. So do your community policing thing, and send in the name of the streamer, the time and date, and what you saw.

Then for god's sake, just move on. Obsessive behavior isn't a good look for anyone, especially when one obsesses over trivial things. It's even worse when that obsession is soapboxed, and a small crowd gathers. Then you have three dozen people in an echo chamber, all obsessed over some trivial thing, insistent of how egregious said thing is... and ignorant of the masses around them living normal lives, not obsessing over the big, bad thing (and unaffected by it).

Oh shoot. I know this path, I've been over this before. Dammit... I find myself here again:

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

Another point in the 'social media is a friggin' disease' column.

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Definitely a +1 for 'It opens up the opportunity for people to become upset over benign behavior of other humans they don't even know - humans that don't affect them at all."

When my family sits down to play a board game, we just play. We don't stare at videos of other people playing board games, and get upset because some guy in Idaho is hiding $500 bills under the corner of the Monopoly board. When my brother and I played Sega Master System, Nintendo, Genesis, Turbografx and PC games in the '80s and '90s, we didn't stare at videos of other people using "turbo controllers" or Game Genie to cheat at games - though those things were happening all day, every day! We just played. Go figure.

What the hell has happened to people that they see a video now of other people doing things like this, and it bends them out of shape? You're not watching a tournament or a competition or the Super Bowl or the World Series, you're literally watching some other people in their bedrooms, playing (or cheating, fine, I'll concede cheating, it doesn't matter) on a video game and getting really quite upset over it.

Stop worrying about other peoples' benign behaviors. One should have enough to worry about in their own life without worrying about what addons some bloke in Greece is running.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, for coil I did.

And half my static now is on Playstation. I just called out mechanics as they came up. Fortunately, they are competent, and able to read their own debuffs.

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How do voice comms work with that? Discord app on a phone?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

If this is true then SE should just allow all these 3rd party addons.

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The devs watch people stream, several of whom use parsers. Yoshida himself congratulated TPS for their TEA clear despite the whole Paisley Park drama. They're well aware people use all these programs.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I would actually feel a lot better if they would just allow the addons or actually enforce their own TOS. Why is it so hard for them?

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Because they neither want to be responsible for them nor take the financial loss for banning them. Like I said in an earlier post, this all comes down to money. SE stands to lose significantly more than they would ever gain by actually enforcing their ToS.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Nonsense. You did not do individual callouts, not in the way Cactbot does it. It does way more than you, as a caller, can ever hope to do.

"Wind out, ice in" during Intermediate Relativity is not the type of callout I'm talking about. This is simply calling the order of the timers on those mechanics.

You did not whisper in the ear of every single player in your party telling them where to go at every step of the mechanic.

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Ironically, this is exactly how Cactbot calls that mechanic. It simply tells you the order of debuffs only once they appear. For most mechanics at least. Since Intermediate always gives the same two configurations, it's actually fairly easy to shotcall. In other words, Valkyrie is just as good as Cactbot.

Y'all put these programs on way higher a pedestal than they deserve. They aren't "whispering in your ear" every little thing. They'll call out debuffs all at once and that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

You'd be surprised how quickly action can be taken once something starts to go out of hand.

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Of course, like anything in life.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

How do voice comms work with that? Discord app on a phone?

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omg using 3rd party apps! /s

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Ironically, this is exactly how Cactbot calls that mechanic. It simply tells you the order of debuffs only once they appear. For most mechanics at least. Since Intermediate always gives the same two configurations, it's actually fairly easy to shotcall. In other words, Valkyrie is just as good as Cactbot.

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Cactbot can print large, bolded instructions directly to your screen the milisecond an ability is telegraphed (and sometimes before it's even telegraphed clientside), with customized text that doesn't just label the ability, but gives you personalized instructions on how to solve the mechanic. This isn't even in the same universe as traditional shotcalling in some encounters.

It can also be used to draw a timeline on your screen, showing you exact times until upcoming abilities come out.

https://i.imgur.com/eTWc10S.png

https://ezsoftware.github.io/cactbot...s_triggers.png

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Title.

I've been watching streamers do high end stuff and I see and hear programs announcing mechanics before they even exist on screen. Certain mechanics are randomized in the order they will occur and people are reacting to them far in advance.

Folks try to rationalize this as ok by saying, 'oh it's no different than having your raid lead call it', but let me counter with this; does your raid lead have precognition and can tell the order of random mechanics before they happen all the time? If not, then you're cheating. Plain and simple.

Reject me, oh forums mine.

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Report away bro

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Title.

I've been watching streamers do high end stuff and I see and hear programs announcing mechanics before they even exist on screen. Certain mechanics are randomized in the order they will occur and people are reacting to them far in advance.

Folks try to rationalize this as ok by saying, 'oh it's no different than having your raid lead call it', but let me counter with this; does your raid lead have precognition and can tell the order of random mechanics before they happen all the time? If not, then you're cheating. Plain and simple.

Reject me, oh forums mine.

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I mean, pretty much every fight in the game already has the full timeline figured out and you can just refer to that if you want to instead. Which is not much different honestly.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

If I understood correctly in the past, isn’t SE not going to take external sources such as those videos because of the possibility of being ‘doctored’?

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IIRC it that was in response to things relating to gm reports etc.

Streamers are live all the time and while someone could be doctoring their stream while live a simple question "What HUD UI mod are you using?" and a reply from said streamer would easily incriminate them and other questions should they answer them.

IMO the statement about them not using video evidence is just a cop-out like many other things they do because they benefit more from doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

They aren't "whispering in your ear" every little thing. They'll call out debuffs all at once and that's about it.

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They'll whisper anything into your ear that you set it to and you can also set it to tell you what other party members have. It's audio overload and should never be used but you're kind of underestimating what it does.

It's a crutch none the less but good teammates can be that crutch just as fine.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Cactbot can print large, bolded instructions directly to your screen the milisecond an ability is telegraphed (and sometimes before it's even telegraphed clientside), with customized text that doesn't just label the ability, but gives you personalized instructions on how to solve the mechanic. This isn't even in the same universe as traditional shotcalling in some encounters.

It can also be used to draw a timeline on your screen, showing you exact times until upcoming abilities come out.

https://i.imgur.com/eTWc10S.png

https://ezsoftware.github.io/cactbot...s_triggers.png

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I look at that and try to figure out how it's like "having a raid leader do call outs" or "watching a video beforehand" as I've seen claimed earlier in the thread. I have a pretty competent raid leader but this is a level of detail and precision that would be unreasonable to expect of him whilst still playing his role. So to me it's like the debate about whether it's cheating to use an autoclicker to buy a house when people spam clicking anyway and the reason I say it would be is because the computer is capable of doing the task to a degree that is unreasonable to expect of a human.

One thing I'd hate to see is if a tool like this is more widely used that those who don't get this advantage end up being seen as the weakest link because they're not keeping up with learning mechanics as quickly in progression groups. Which would be a disadvantage to PS4/PS5 players and those conscious about sticking to the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

One thing I'd hate to see is if a tool like this is more widely used that those who don't get this advantage end up being seen as the weakest link because they're not keeping up with learning mechanics as quickly in progression groups. Which would be a disadvantage to PS4/PS5 players and those conscious about sticking to the ToS.

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So a few things.

Cacbot is only worth setting up for ultimate.
Respectable ultimate raiders understand that Cacbot can be an extreme crutch and they don't use it because the reason they're there is for the challenge. That said world first proggers will use every tool at their disposal as to not handicap themselves.

Any content below ultimate is not going to see Cacbot widely used it's simply too easy and not long enough to warrant the annoying process of keeping any 3rd party program up to date.


Publicly requiring the use of a 3rd party program to enter a group would probably get you banned.

The closest thing we have to this is pugs in uwu with "Bring AM." / "Have AM." (Auto Markers) it's a very niche section of the game(ultimate) and is being used to circumvent what a large majority of people consider artificial difficulty.

So really at the end of the day anyone respectable won't see people as a weak link as long as they're performing what they signed up for.

And if by some supernatural occurrence casuals start using/requiring cacbot that's when people will start getting banned for simply mentioning it. Really though ffxiv just isn't WoW.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Cactbot can print large, bolded instructions directly to your screen the milisecond an ability is telegraphed (and sometimes before it's even telegraphed clientside), with customized text that doesn't just label the ability, but gives you personalized instructions on how to solve the mechanic. This isn't even in the same universe as traditional shotcalling in some encounters.

It can also be used to draw a timeline on your screen, showing you exact times until upcoming abilities come out.

https://i.imgur.com/eTWc10S.png

https://ezsoftware.github.io/cactbot...s_triggers.png

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This right here and the previous post you had about your game being automatically controlled is what I have an issue with. People think I'm trying to get every single thing removed. No. Just this stuff that's for all intents and purposes is cheating.

Is Ultimate even considered an achievement anymore with all of these tools removing all thought from the process?

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Is Ultimate even considered an achievement anymore with all of these tools removing all thought from the process?

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It is.

Some people just do ultimate for glamour though and they will do anything to make that process easier. IMO it's better that they "cheat" than buy the run off sellers.

People largely who do use 3rd party programs to handhold/cheat their way through understand that they're not as mechanically impressive as people without unless they've already done it without.

The actual main advantage to this is the dps variation. Where one person would have their mind split between mechanics and job performance most of their brain power can be spent on job performance exclusively, this however is largely irrelevant unless you're extremely interested in your numbers because the variation is only the difference between a 95 parse and a 100 parse.
Everyone else who can't get a 95 parse naturally is just being risen up from below average to above average which still isn't what's getting them the clear it's just helping them.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

This right here and the previous post you had about your game being automatically controlled is what I have an issue with. People think I'm trying to get every single thing removed. No. Just this stuff that's for all intents and purposes is cheating.

Is Ultimate even considered an achievement anymore with all of these tools removing all thought from the process?

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Ultimate raiders who sell clears devalued it already.

The very thing that made them special they sold for money lol.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ultimate raiders who sell clears devalued it already.

The very thing that made them special they sold for money lol.

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I see it's another episode of "People who never cleared Ultimate get to tell us how worthless Ultimate clears are because reason"

One of my least favorite perspectives on the issue is "Selling ultimate clears means that ultimate clears are now worthless/devalued". Believe me, if you didn't earn your clear, people will know it. There are some exceptions, of course, like people who have money to burn and decide to buy the clear while they're currently progging it. But those people generally do get the clear on their own merits eventually.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

I see it's another episode of "People who never cleared Ultimate get to tell us how worthless Ultimate clears are because reason"

One of my least favorite perspectives on the issue is "Selling ultimate clears means that ultimate clears are now worthless/devalued". Believe me, if you didn't earn your clear, people will know it. There are some exceptions, of course, like people who have money to burn and decide to buy the clear while they're currently progging it. But those people generally do get the clear on their own merits eventually.

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The only reason I don't have a clear is because I haven't taken the time to do so, busy with life at the moment.

An d the whole prestige behind ultimate is its difficult. When you turn around and sell that, its just money, not difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The only reason I don't have a clear is because I haven't taken the time to do so, busy with life at the moment.

An d the whole prestige behind ultimate is its difficult. When you turn around and sell that, its just money, not difficulty.

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I'm sure you're more than capable of clearing Ultimates. What I disagree with is that the mere existence of clear sellers means legitimate clears are valued less. Personally, I don't see a title or weapon as inherently prestigious. The prestige comes from being an ultimate-level player, and the title/weapon are indicative of that, but your actual performance in-game matters more. When the two do not match up, it's reasonable to wonder about the validity of the clear, and often people can determine how valid it is based on a number of factors that we won't go into here.

Yep, if someone bought the clear, their clear is pretty much worthless besides having a shiny weapon. But it's pretty obvious when you run into someone like that.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

I'm sure you're more than capable of clearing Ultimates. What I disagree with is that the mere existence of clear sellers means legitimate clears are valued less. Personally, I don't see a title or weapon as inherently prestigious. The prestige comes from being an ultimate-level player, and the title/weapon are indicative of that, but your actual performance in-game matters more. When the two do not match up, it's reasonable to wonder about the validity of the clear, and often people can determine how valid it is based on a number of factors that we won't go into here.

Yep, if someone bought the clear, their clear is pretty much worthless besides having a shiny weapon. But it's pretty obvious when you run into someone like that.

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Also note, I was only referring to the sellers themselves, not EVERY ultimate clearer lol

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The only reason I don't have a clear is because I haven't taken the time to do so, busy with life at the moment.

An d the whole prestige behind ultimate is its difficult. When you turn around and sell that, its just money, not difficulty.

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If you're only after something for perceived prestige, then it's devalued every time someone else has it whether they bought a clear or not.

If you're after it for the sake of personal challenge and satisfaction, the value never diminishes.

This sounds like the DBM addon in WoW, which gives countdown bar graphs to mechanics, but no positioning suggestions that I know of. Didn't know this was possible in FF.

So, if we're going for no hints of upcoming mechanics, we may as well get rid of the orange telegraph markers on the floor. No advance warning at all, other than cast bars, boss movements, and sounds to tell you where to be at any time.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

So, if we're going for no hints of upcoming mechanics, we may as well get rid of the orange telegraph markers on the floor. No advance warning at all, other than cast bars, boss movements, and sounds to tell you where to be at any time.

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Honestly, in savage et al, a great many of the mechanics do lack the orange telegraphs; you're expected to watch other things—boss attack animations, sounds, cast bars, etc. (And if there's a mechanic that does have the orange telegraph, it comes well after other tells; by the time the telegraph is up, it's probably too late to dodge it.)

So... everything else aside, while I stand by my earlier statements about how I don't care that much if other folks use Cactbot (provided it doesn't hinder my own experience of content), that "no orange telegraph markers" is kind of where a lot of higher-end content is at.

who cares if it gives call outs

it's still on you, the player, to properly execute mechanics. it won't do that for you

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Originally Posted by Eien713

The thing is, other WoW streamers seem to have done their homework before jumping into FF14 raiding (at least the ones I've seen) and they didn't go in it with their WoW mentality and relying on programs. Now a real question: Do WoW raiders use programs for their first clears too, when the raid is till new?

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lmao good luck doing an ultimate raid without doing your homework?? ACT isn't going to make it so you can ignore actually learning the fight.

how many people that complain about cactbot being a thing has actually killed any of these bosses? always seems like it's people that haven't bothered even trying

I feel like these things can just be ignored; no one really needs these programs to clear high-end content anyway, as every FFXIV encounter, even the Ultimate's- are a "dance" that people just have to learn, and once you learn that dance, it becomes about practicing that dance until you know every step down to the second. Then the person just has to be decent at their class they are playing.

All these programs are, are over-complicated "Peter Meters" - which those who use it send to a database so they can all measure each other. (I'm not kidding about the database)

This is the mentality Yoshi-P is against, and while he's outlines how he feels about the programs themselves in various videos and interviews, his stance as been made clear, he doesn't want players to bully each other over something as trivial as numbers.

So far, he has pleaded to the community to simply not use them, and that using them can jeopardies that person's account.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

All these programs are, are over-complicated "Peter Meters" - which those who use it send to a database so they can all measure each other. (I'm not kidding about the database)

This is the mentality Yoshi-P is against, and while he's outlines how he feels about the programs themselves in various videos and interviews, his stance as been made clear, he doesn't want players to bully each other over something as trivial as numbers.
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Agree about the first point regarding ultimates, but I wouldn't call the meters and logging over-complicated at all. It takes pressing "Upload log" in a client to do that, and then you can analyze and see exactly what happened during your pulls rather than just guessing it.
also, https://www.fflogs.com/character/jp/...hi%27p%20sampo

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

lmao good luck doing an ultimate raid without doing your homework?? ACT isn't going to make it so you can ignore actually learning the fight.

how many people that complain about cactbot being a thing has actually killed any of these bosses? always seems like it's people that haven't bothered even trying

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How would you even know they haven't even tried? Stop acting like a know-it-all -.- I for one have actually tried an Ultimate fight with my static, but when the static disbanded, I didn't feel like investing in those fights again.
No one said that ACT makes it so that you can ignore mechanics, just that it gives you an unfair advantage over others.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

Agree about the first point regarding ultimates, but I wouldn't call the meters and logging over-complicated at all. It takes pressing "Upload log" in a client to do that, and then you can analyze and see exactly what happened during your pulls rather than just guessing it.
also, https://www.fflogs.com/character/jp/...hi%27p%20sampo

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Yoshi P being on FFLogs isn't indicative of him actually using it if that's what you're trying to get at.

You can be second hand parsed as long as someone else in your group is logging and don't even need to actually set up an account there.

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Originally Posted by Eien713

How would you even know they haven't even tried? Stop acting like a know-it-all -.- I for one have actually tried an Ultimate fight with my static, but when the static disbanded, I didn't feel like investing in those fights again.
No one said that ACT makes it so that you can ignore mechanics, just that it gives you an unfair advantage over others.

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wouldn't call it an unfair advantage when literally anyone can install the same program in under a minute, and especially when it helps everyone achieve something together IN PVE, it's not like it's pvp or smth.

as for whether wow raiders use addons on world firsts, yes, they literally pay addon creators to create specific plugins sometimes

I know it.
You know it.
They know it.
EVERYBODY knows it.

This new "thing" will ruin the game (already started) the way it ruined the other mmo.

But for some god awful reason no one admits it... why? Is everyone in league with the trend of turning FFXIV into a e-sport game?! I called it many times, the new influx of players will ruin the game. It was better when it was a niche game and popularity WILL RUIN IT! Just log in, just do roulettes and you will see what I mean, the disease is in.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

how many people that complain about cactbot being a thing has actually killed any of these bosses? always seems like it's people that haven't bothered even trying

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I've hit rank 1 on my job in an ultimate fight, can't speak for anyone else in this thread. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

wouldn't call it an unfair advantage when literally anyone can install the same program in under a minute, and especially when it helps everyone achieve something together IN PVE, it's not like it's pvp or smth.

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You could use the exact same argument to justify using literally any form of third party automation software for FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

who cares if it gives call outs

it's still on you, the player, to properly execute mechanics. it won't do that for you

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There are many mechanics where observation and reading the tells makes up the majority of what it actually means to execute said mechanic. Reading tells and solving mechanics is an inherent part of executing them.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

wouldn't call it an unfair advantage when literally anyone can install the same program in under a minute, and especially when it helps everyone achieve something together IN PVE, it's not like it's pvp or smth.

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Anyone? Have you forgotten that Play Station players exist?

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Originally Posted by yajnaji

I know it.
You know it.
They know it.
EVERYBODY knows it.

This new "thing" will ruin the game (already started) the way it ruined the other mmo.

But for some god awful reason no one admits it... why? Is everyone in league with the trend of turning FFXIV into a e-sport game?! I called it many times, the new influx of players will ruin the game. It was better when it was a niche game and popularity WILL RUIN IT! Just log in, just do roulettes and you will see what I mean, the disease is in.

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Ruin has found you at last. I'm sure this time the doomsayers are right, like they were right every time before.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Ruin has found you at last. I'm sure this time the doomsayers are right, like they were right every time before.

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Elaborate? Or are you just spouting nonsense to pretend to be smart?
Also try to detail what those "times before" were. One by one.

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Originally Posted by yajnaji

This new "thing" will ruin the game (already started) the way it ruined the other mmo.

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It's not "new", though; these tools have been around for literal years.

Again, I don't like the automation portion of what people do with this, but despite that, I don't think it's an impending Doom scenario. (Or, as I guess the tools in question would say based on those earlier screenshots, "HEAL TO FULL NOW (OR DIE)!")

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Originally Posted by yajnaji

Elaborate? Or are you just spouting nonsense to pretend to be smart?
Also try to detail what those "times before" were. One by one.

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It would probably be quicker to list the games that nobody has called dead before.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

It's not "new", though; these tools have been around for literal years.

Again, I don't like the automation portion of what people do with this, but despite that, I don't think it's an impending Doom scenario. (Or, as I guess the tools in question would say based on those earlier screenshots, "HEAL TO FULL NOW (OR DIE)!")

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I was not referring to the tools, but to the, again, thing that's happening in FFXIV.

Again, everybody know what it is. But yeah, I'm the idiot, the mad man, don't listen to me.

But still I'm calling it. Of course I hope to the twelve I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

It won't be used for world first cause there wouldn't be any created timelines for cactbot.

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That is the most blatant lie I have ever read on this forum, and I've seen a lot. Are you seriously going to tell me that world first groups will not hire someone to code that specific timeline? Really? I guarantee you this will happen on the new Ultimate for world first prog.

XIVAlexander does a lot, and I do mean a lot of things that are good. But it's also a blatant third party cheat because the developers made the game so dysfunctional for people with medium to high latency. Zero animation lock for perfect triple weave (which you can never ever do normally), being able to tell exactly where melee range is on the screen always via a hud display, the ability to know exactly what to do years ahead of when the mechanic comes out. It's DBD if the developers of it were allowed to completely break the flow of the game itself. If you want an extreme example, you could double weave during Hypercharge with that program.

Don't be an apologist.

Edit - Slash through is different plug in/changed wording to not associate the two. Woops.

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

That is the most blatant lie I have ever read on this forum, and I've seen a lot. Are you seriously going to tell me that world first groups will not hire someone to code that specific timeline? Really? I guarantee you this will happen on the new Ultimate.

Cactbot does a lot, and I do mean a lot of things that are good. But it's also a blatant third party cheat because the developers made the game so dysfunctional for people with medium to high latency. Zero animation lock for triple weave (which you can never ever do normally), being able to tell exactly where melee range is on the screen always via a hud display, the ability to know exactly what to do years ahead of when the mechanic comes out. It's DBD if the developers of it were allowed to completely break the flow of the game itself.

Don't be an apologist.

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I think you are mixing in XIVAlexander (and maybe a few other plugins) there with cactbot. Cactbot is just the timers and the callouts. A world first party would have to create all the callout triggers themselves, that's literally them learning the fight. There is no homework they can copy from.