Asmongold on NSFW mods

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

And that'd be week-long period before people find another way to do it.

They did that in WoW, they could do that here as well.

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You are missing the point. If SE actually decided to ban all modding they would. There are mmo's that scan your files when you launch the game to detect abnormalities. You can't start the game if anything is detected.

"you're a pearl clutching puritan only in it to win moral points if you don't like that creeps create nsfw mods of underage characters and lalafells"
do some of you people even read what you type before sending it or do you not realize how effed up it is to defend actually illegal modifications that break the laws of several countries and subsequently blame the people that take an issue with it?
just because kids and teens can easily find porn on the internet, that doesn't make it okay for similar content being proudly displayed in-game by people who can't keep it in their pants for more than 10 seconds, like, what kind of backwards argument is that? even if it'd be an effing AO game it'd still break the TOS, unless it's stuff like SL, because developers and publishers usually do not want to be associated with pornography of it's characters, especially if they're underage

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You are missing the point. If SE actually decided to ban all modding they would. There are mmo's that scan your files when you launch the game to detect abnormalities. You can't start the game if anything is detected.

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When people really want to, they could bypass or trick that scan.

You can't win that battle.

One thing I don't understand about all of this modding is how blatantly people display what they are doing. Streamers show ACT/XIV launcher and say hey guys its ok as long as we don't blah blah. Yoshi has specifically said it isn't OK. People post all kids of lewd garbage of XIV characters all over the place as well. If you are going to do these things why not simply be discreet about it so you don't have to push their hand? I don't understand the need to keep pushing the boundary. If they do clamp down on it one day you will only have yourself to blame.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

When people really want to, they could bypass or trick that scan.

You can't win that battle.

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This is simply not true. I will leave it at that though.

You really are adamant on having spyware scanning our games, aren't you? Might as well punish people who use Discord's overlay, NVIDIA GeForce Experience and ReShade/GSHADE while we're at it.

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Originally Posted by Maulclaw

You really are adamant on having spyware scanning our games, aren't you?

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If people would simply keep it to themselves the likelihood of that happening is very small. We all know that isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

This is simply not true. I will leave it at that though.

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Well, I'd be curious about which game has magically blocked all third-party tools from their game.

But oh well.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I'm talking about the mods here. You keep going back to the ERP involving minors.



Maybe you should tell your friend here not to talk about it. No, it is not on the parents that their kids are playing a T game and are a T.

Anyway, I am talking about individual responsibility. Of course they won't do it. If they did, they would not have made or used these mods in the first place, because no responsible person would do that. I don't actually expect any of them to do the right thing, but they argue nothing can be done. However, that is not true. They can simply stop doing it, and most certainly don't post it on Twitter all the time. It shouldn't be about what you think you can get away with, and instead it should be about what is right.

There is a legal way for SE to handle this, but it is a really sucky method, but it could come down to that or worse.

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I wasn't planning to reply but oh well.

Yes it is on the parents to monitor their children & TEENAGERS on the internet. They are not adults and are not able to make the same educated decisions that an adult would. Therefore, the parents should 100% be involved and it shouldn't even be a question of whether or not they should be involved. If you're trying to give parents a free pass to be lazy in their kids lives while shoving 100% of the responsibility on other people....oh boy that's the real problem here.

It's a two way street. It's on both. It always has been. It's on modders to try to keep their content as close to an adult audience as possible and on parents to monitor their kids and help them stay safe online.

You can ban mods off FF but lewd images and things will still crop up in other forms. Hell, there's websites dedicated to it. If you don't want the teenagers in your life to see it, have some personality responsibility and put in parental controls.

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Originally Posted by Maulclaw

You really are adamant on having spyware scanning our games, aren't you? Might as well punish people who use Discord's overlay, NVIDIA GeForce Experience and ReShade/GSHADE while we're at it.

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SE had a community rep post on these forums and said words to the effect that GShade is acceptable but they will not support it if you have issues with the game as a result.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

Funny that you should say this, because there is a WELL KNOWN venue on Aether that has an 8 year old child working there. How do I know this? The owner admits it. And they also admit the child recieves advances from people. They try to justify this insanity by saying "well my venue is safe for work". If SE catches wind of this (and I hope they do because its disgusting)its game over man.

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If you know that an 8 year old is working in an adult venue, why are you coming here talking about it instead of reporting them and actually getting SE aware yourself?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

If you know that an 8 year old is working in an adult venue, why are you coming here talking about it instead of reporting them and actually getting SE aware yourself?

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How do you know that I havent tried? Dont make assumptions without an ounce of evidence because I'll be the first to tell you, you are 1000% wrong there.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

How do you know that I havent tried? Dont make assumptions without an ounce of evidence because I'll be the first to tell you, you are 1000% wrong there.

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Cause you literally said "If SE gets wind of this..." implying that no one has tried and are hoping they pick up on it. There's also no indication in your post that you did try, so yeah..I'm going off the information I'm being given. Feel free to prove me wrong though, I would rather know that someone has reported it LOL.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Cause you literally said "If SE gets wind of this..." implying that no one has tried and are hoping they pick up on it.

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Yeah. Thats what happens when you file a ticket and get told that they cannot act without proof. Again, stop making assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Maulclaw

You really are adamant on having spyware scanning our games, aren't you? Might as well punish people who use Discord's overlay, NVIDIA GeForce Experience and ReShade/GSHADE while we're at it.

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I hate spyware to a massive degree and I am a major privacy advocate on a great many things but the alternative is worse. If people can't be trusted to do the right thing, what other choice will SE have, outside shutting down the servers? If people don't want SE to respond, they should not back them into a corner.

I certainly would not put SE on the same levels as say Google or the US and UK governments, when it comes to people's privacy.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I wasn't planning to reply but oh well.

Yes it is on the parents to monitor their children & TEENAGERS on the internet. They are not adults and are not able to make the same educated decisions that an adult would. Therefore, the parents should 100% be involved and it shouldn't even be a question of whether or not they should be involved. If you're trying to give parents a free pass to be lazy in their kids lives while shoving 100% of the responsibility on other people....oh boy that's the real problem here.

It's a two way street. It's on both. It always has been. It's on modders to try to keep their content as close to an adult audience as possible and on parents to monitor their kids and help them stay safe online.

You can ban mods off FF but lewd images and things will still crop up in other forms. If you don't want the teenagers in your life to see it, have some personality responsibility and put in parental controls.

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It's a game rated T. Stop using the internet as an excuse for this type of behavior. Teens will do stuff on their own. An adult should not be bringing that to teens. That adult that does bring it to teens is responsible. They are the ones doing it. You complained being off topic over the ERP with teens, but you bring it back up and pretended I was talking about the internet in general or Twitter.

As for the modders, they clearly don't care what people see on the cesspool of the internet Twitter, adult or child. That is a major issue. That's bad for SE, which is also bad for the player base. The minor stuff is outright illegal.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

Yeah. Thats what happens when you file a ticket and get told that they cannot act without proof. Again, stop making assumptions.

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But you said the owner admitted it themselves, did you not take a screenshot?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

But you said the owner admitted it themselves, did you not take a screenshot?

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No, because there was nothing to screenshot. This was casually said in a discord call during an event they were hosting. If I had expected to hear this , I would have recorded it though. But that also wouldnt help as they dont accept those forms of proof. I am not the only one who has been trying to see something done about this.

This thread's such a trainwreck.

Never before have I seen such defense for illicit activity.

It'd be pretty hard to police cosmetic mods wouldnt it? You'd basically need spyware. But yeah giving out Cease and Desist orders to people making completely lewd mods of underage characters or lalas would be fine by me.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I hate spyware to a massive degree and I am a major privacy advocate on a great many things but the alternative is worse. If people can't be trusted to do the right thing, what other choice will SE have, outside shutting down the servers? If people don't want SE to respond, they should not back them into a corner.

I certainly would not put SE on the same levels as say Google or the US and UK governments, when it comes to people's privacy.



It's a game rated T. Stop using the internet as an excuse for this type of behavior. Teens will do stuff on their own. An adult should not be bringing that to teens. That adult that does bring it to teens is responsible. They are the ones doing it. You complained being off topic over the ERP with teens, but you bring it back up and pretended I was talking about the internet in general or Twitter.

As for the modders, they clearly don't care what people see on the cesspool of the internet Twitter, adult or child. That is a major issue. That's bad for SE, which is also bad for the player base. The minor stuff is outright illegal.

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SE literally will not put anything on our computers. Yoshi has said this multiple times. I'd be happy to even include a link to an interview he did last year saying that they still will not put anything on our computers. The end. Let's move on from this instead of beating a dead horse.

Second off, this is the internet and people will do whatever they want. I'm sorry to break it to you. I know it's probably not what you want to hear but unfortunately that is what people do on the internet. There are nude mods for numerous amounts of games, a lot of them ALSO including an underage audience (even if they're rated M because let's be real...who hasn't begged their parents to get them a game not rated for them?).

I'll say it again, it's on both. Modders to properly keep their mods to an adult audience and parents to help their kids stay safe online and away from that side of the internet (i.e. parental controls....they literally exist for a reason).

At the end of the day, sexual stuff is going to be on the internet. If they don't look at FF's stuff, there are dozens of pron sites and hentai available as an alternative. Do you expect the pron industry to just not make pron anymore because kids could stumble on it? Absolutely not. That's where parents come in to block the content they don't want their kids to see.

Every time I convince myself I have no faith left in humanity to lose, I see a thread like this, and I lose another notch I didn't even know I still had.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

SE literally will not put anything on our computers. Yoshi has said this multiple times. I'd be happy to even include a link to an interview he did last year saying that they still will not put anything on our computers. The end. Let's move on from this instead of beating a dead horse.

Second off, this is the internet and people will do whatever they want. I'm sorry to break it to you. I know it's probably not what you want to hear but unfortunately that is what people do on the internet. There are nude mods for numerous amounts of games, a lot of them ALSO including an underage audience (even if they're rated M because let's be real...who hasn't begged their parents to get them a game not rated for them?).

I'll say it again, it's on both. Modders to properly keep their mods to an adult audience and parents to help their kids stay safe online and away from that side of the internet (i.e. parental controls....they literally exist for a reason).

At the end of the day, sexual stuff is going to be on the internet. If they don't look at FF's stuff, there are dozens of pron sites and hentai available as an alternative. Do you expect the pron industry to just not make pron anymore because kids could stumble on it? Absolutely not. That's where parents come in to block the content they don't want their kids to see.

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Times change. SE will do what it has to do. It would not be the first time SE changed its mind on anything.

Why do you keep expanding things to other games and other things on the internet? We are talking about FFXIV, when it comes to the teens. Stop talking about other stuff in an attempt to muddy the waters. We are only talking about the mod screenshots, when it comes to Twitter, which doesn't involve IRL teens but the characters that are minors. These are two completely different subjects.

Say it again all you want, they should not post anything on Twitter. it's not hard to not post stuff.

Maybe I need to say it a few more more times. I am not talking about what teens see on the general internet. I am not talking about what teens see on the general internet. I am not talking about what teens see on the general internet. Did you get it yet?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Yes it is on the parents to monitor their children & TEENAGERS on the internet.

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And if said parent reports that person will be ban, or perhaps even something more serious. This is like in real life with night clubs, even if said club check ID and only allow adults if a minor fake one and go in the person that had any kind of intimacy with said minor is the one in big trouble. Saying: "is not my problem it's the parents problem" is big brain stupidity just waiting to cash out at some point or another.

the groomers are out in force in this thread huh

Feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but just banning nsfw mods wouldn't actually prevent creeps from trying to RP/ERP with minors.

Say SE actually did decide to start banning mods, what exactly is stopping them from going full "scorched earth" and disabling things like Gshade and ACT or whatever other benign mods you PC people use? I'd imagine Raiders and Gposers alike wouldn't be too pleased at first. But that still doesn't solve the issue of absolute weirdos trying to do the virtual nasty with underaged players, so SE proceeds to ban Roleplaying and consequently ERP as well. Now the RP community is in an uproar due to being punished for the actions of a bunch of outright degenerates. And that still wouldn't deter these people from seeking out minors.

As long as a chatbox exists, they can try to invite them to discord pages or other chatrooms to engage in illegal RP. SE could try to add a filter that detects when websites are being posted in the chat log, but I don't doubt that people would find ways to circumvent it, like telling someone to add them on Discord so they can be invited. At that point, they might as well go full PvP mode where everyone can only communicate via auto translated words and phrases.

Alternatively, they could just bump up the rating from T to M and set an age requirement, but that wouldn't really stop some goofy teenager from lying about their age and sneaking in anyways. The only thing that can realistically happen is that people actually police their selves and call out weirdos when they see them, because what I wrote above is an absolute worst case scenario that I honestly couldn't see SE going through with.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

No, because there was nothing to screenshot. This was casually said in a discord call during an event they were hosting. If I had expected to hear this , I would have recorded it though. But that also wouldnt help as they dont accept those forms of proof. I am not the only one who has been trying to see something done about this.

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Are we really going to go down the rabbit hole of she said, he said? You need actual in game proof to do in-game actions against people.

Lalafells are not children, people need to stop projecting their view of them on everyone else.

Lalas might not be kids, but I do think they have enough neotenous design aspects that Im cool with banning anyone doing erp with them.

But I genuinely think theres probably more discussion and concern about these sorts of things than there is actual problem people doing this sorta stuff... That said I play on Moogle so theres a possibility I never see any erp cause its all in french

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Are we really going to go down the rabbit hole of she said, he said? You need actual in game proof to do in-game actions against people.

Lalafells are not children, people need to stop projecting their view of them on everyone else.

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Eh, when it comes to something animated like video games/anime characters you go by how old they look, not how old they're written to be.

Lots of people try to get around the entire "But they're a minor" thing by just stating that their made up age is 20/30/5000 year old vampires but that still doesn't make it fine because you're still drawing what amounts to child p*rnography. It's just a crappy, flimsy excuse that pedophiles use to get away with their shiznit

File checking is not spyware, it's just communicating from the client's game version to the server game version. This can be accomplished without installing any other tool on one's pc. Furthermore, it wouldn't hit ACT or filters because those to not alter game files.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

File checking is not spyware, it's just communicating from the client's game version to the server game version. This can be accomplished without installing any other tool on one's pc. Furthermore, it wouldn't hit ACT or filters because those to not alter game files.

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Pretty sure ACT is just a packet sniffer.

On the upside, if they enforce file signing and checking we would get the option to repair an installation of ffxiv as a side effect, rather than the game exploding when it runs across a corrupted file.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Agreed, I feel like this kind of coverage would only make the problem worse, and I am pretty sure these are venues that charge gil, so it may just encourage this kind of behaviour even more in-game. I heard that in part of one of his interviews they stated that modders are actually making thousands of dollars off their mods, from patreon or whatever. I don't really feel like this is a good thing for the game.

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I see he's starting to drip his poison into the FF14 playerbase just as he did with WoW. All in the name of viewers cash.

Our characters don't have nipples.
Mods created for nipples should be banned?
So many people exaggerating things here.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

On the upside, if they enforce file signing and checking we would get the option to repair an installation of ffxiv as a side effect, rather than the game exploding when it runs across a corrupted file.

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I never understood why this wasn't a feature by default

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Originally Posted by SushiDog

find help.

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I never understood the 'find help' suggestion.

Like, do you mean spend thousands on a therapist?

Inform family members about your opinions on FFXIV and Lalafell?

Self-report to your local police about your particular stance?

Can you elaborate so I have context - because I always hear that exact quote in internet arguments.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

In all honesty I actually think that the rating is too low, especially after having played it again on NG+ there's so much explicit content and pretty extreme levels of sexual violence being referenced.
The game is and always has been full of more late teen to adult content too.

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What makes you say that? The fact the devs put an underage girl stripping and having a dragon slide all over her body a raid boss?

Blaming ERP or grooming on modding is such a cop out. The sexual activity and open fetishization is more rooted in the way internet culture has developed and seems more prevalent and overt in weeb environments. If S-E wants to enforce bans to try to protect their brand that's fine and totally understandable, but it's also worth mentioning that the mods being discussed are extreme outliers that are probably illegal and thus aren't even allowed on discord or the main modding sites - it would be more difficult for anyone, or a minor especially, to stumble across something like that. Meanwhile, in game you can find things like this in droves...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...14/unknown.png

I've even seen Lalafell fetish fellowships pop up in there from time to time. They could get rid of modding, and one of the cooler things about this game on PC would be gone, but the ERP and the subcultures of this player community would remain.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

What makes you say that? The fact the devs put an underage girl stripping and having a dragon slide all over her body a raid boss?

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To be fair it only happens after light rampant and underage people aren't smart enough to be able to get past it /s

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

To be fair it only happens after light rampant and underage people aren't smart enough to be able to get past it /s

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She still strips in the first half of the fight as well :p