Hinting at New Jobs? [ Small Spoilers for Patch 5.3 ]

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I get that you all want to be edgy, but I don’t think this is the game that’s gonna let you express that.

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Little sidenote, but I always imagined Chemist taking the "Edgy Healer" slot of they ever added one.

I think there's a lot of potential if they gave it a Mad Scientist vibe à la Dr. Frankenstein and used gadgets like MCH in combination with potions to heal. Give those tools an overall theme of lightning when they're used to really sell it, especially as a defibrillator for their Raise ability.

Have the whole Job, especially the Job quests (if there will be any) satirize/parody the Healer community mindset of "If they die they die/you will sit at 20% and you will deal with it."

Not traditionally edgy like black flowing robes or shadow themed powers but at least drastically different in aesthetic From the healers we have now

I can't say it's "on record", but I do remember hearing no to Necromancer due to Chinese hangup. Can't have heroes defiling dead bodies; Believe the in-game assets are even slightly different for undead/zombie type mobs.

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Originally Posted by GucciSan

Little sidenote, but I always imagined Chemist taking the "Edgy Healer" slot of they ever added one.

I think there's a lot of potential if they gave it a Mad Scientist vibe à la Dr. Frankenstein and used gadgets like MCH in combination with potions to heal. Give those tools an overall theme of lightning when they're used to really sell it, especially as a defibrillator for their Raise ability.

Have the whole Job, especially the Job quests (if there will be any) satirize/parody the Healer community mindset of "If they die they die/you will sit at 20% and you will deal with it."

Not traditionally edgy like black flowing robes or shadow themed powers but at least drastically different in aesthetic From the healers we have now

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Going a more satire route for the job quests would be pretty amusing. I’d get behind that

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Wasn’t Alaqa’s whole thing that she was tainting aether, and the elementals of the Twelveswood got the white mages involved to stop it?

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Having just reread the completed quest journal entries for that questline, The Taint itself is what was powering her necromancy with the reanimated Dragon.

The Necromancer boss calling herself tainted makes a good deal more sense if Necromancy itself is a corruption or 'tainting' of aether. During the questing, the knights you speak to describe Alaqa as "Reeking of death".
I don't see how SE could turn that it into a benevolent force for our PCs to use.
Black Magic doesn't damage the environment simply by existing. As with White Magic, It's the overuse of it that lead to their respective banning. We can be Black and White Mages because it's established in both the Black and White Mage job stories that we are capable of using the respective magic responsibly.
The Black Mage job quests even include a Conjurer from the Twelveswood sent to make you stop being a Black Mage, only for him to eventually understand that it can be a force for good in the right hands.

If Necromancy is powered by tainting aether, as hinted at in the WHM quests, There's no way to use that 'responsibly' since any usage of it in any capacity would lead to tainted aether not just in the area the necromancy was used in, but if it gets into a water source (Which is the entire beginning plot of the questline) it can spread far and wide, dealing untold damage to whatever ecosystem it gets into.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I can't say it's "on record", but I do remember hearing no to Necromancer due to Chinese hangup. Can't have heroes defiling dead bodies; Believe the in-game assets are even slightly different for undead/zombie type mobs.

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Pretty sure the Chinese XIV is heavily censored anyway so getting a hard "no" because of them is little more than a lying cop-out.

I feel like Ranj'it is possibly hinting at a new job. That cool weapon and funky battle stance he has, might be a possible job for the future. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think any other job has a stance like that? Thoughts?

why i am i suggest Medic first it more likely a job that could be seen in ffxiv it isn't found in any other ff games second it use ascept in really life like milatary service dog which if SE did use dogs these animal can be be glamourized to be many different breed german shepard husky. and ffviii dog Australian Shepherd (Angelo) plus who can't resist a cute doggie face in ffxiv. also like i said before it give SE time work pet jobs. also it could be possible new job for Alisaie her famliar could sudenly take the form of doggie. weapon of choice be hand guns for medic. it could a side skill of mix potion and put the on front hand gun and shoot them into the party as aoe heal and have the dog steal heal kits and sniff herbs.

plus SE could rename the counterpart for example

husky could be called Ishgard Husky
German sheperd the Azim Sheperd

Ul'dria get the toy dog.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Pretty sure the Chinese XIV is heavily censored anyway so getting a hard "no" because of them is little more than a lying cop-out.

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Not sure how it would be lying. Why would the devs risk losing that income; moreover China has been known to be somewhat vindictive, so why would SE risk their entire brand being blocked from China over a potential job?

If it were an existing job and needing tweaking that’s one thing, but going to the drawing board specifically creating a job you know is going to cause more work than it’s worth? Foolishness.

(Personally, I saw the bosses of the 5.3 dungeon as “most requested jobs we’re never adding”)

I need that necromancer to be a healer if it comes. Beserker to be a new melee dps that shares drg armor and chemist to be a physical range user

New jobs, people have been hoping for Chemist for years. It's even an old FF job dating back to FF5.

The dungeon bosses aren't new job hints. The first one is just a Rogue or Ninja that's using exclusively wind based attacks with references to older Thief weapons and skills. The Rogue job already in game is Thief, no matter how much you all may hate it. It was Thief in FF1, then in FF3 it was Rogue. Then Thief in FF5 again, with a lean on Rogue appearance. They're synonymous, son.

The Necromancer is more of a nod to Palace of the Dead and Edda. Seemed like an alternate shard take where Edda is or becomes the Necromancer from POTD. The summon animation on her zombies is even the same, though she doesn't use self-reanimating gigas corpses.

Distant Ideal - Berserker is literally just a WAR with a DRK weapon. I see it as sort of a joke based on how many people keep saying that WAR and DRK are the same job with different animations, these days.

So like, maybe we get Chemist.

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

I need that necromancer to be a healer if it comes. Beserker to be a new melee dps that shares drg armor and chemist to be a physical range user

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Interesting take. I actually wouldn't mind chemist being dps, I've been wanting an mmo to finally add a "thrower" class for a while. Throwing deadly poisons around would be a lot of fun.

And I gotta say, that Necromancer boss looked like so much fun; I never wanted this job until I saw how that boss summoned zombies and poison puddles like that, it looked very unique to anything we have right now.

As for Berserker, as long as it's not another sword user it would be a perfect fit, specially if they make it a slow melee, something we don't currently have.

I'd go crazy if something like the apothecary in octopath traveler became a real thing. I know the chances are likely 0%, but i always wanted a close ranged healer job.
A potion mixing healer with a huge-ass axe dealing some scary dmg? That would be AWESOME!
But currently something like that would most probably not be possible and wouldn't work with the current healer system at place.
All i ever wanted was a non-robe, close ranged healer (wow's holy paladin for example)

I could have sworn I posted this already, but I couldn’t find it in my post history....probably buried in some other post but:

I am 99.9% sure the new jobs will not be any of those to appear in The Heroes Gauntlet. Rather, I thought it was a nod to “jobs you keep asking for that aren’t even on the table for consideration”.

Seemed like an inside joke to me.

If I was a betting man, I would say a healer seems a solid possibility for 6.0, but probably a name to avoid confusion with alCHEMIST like Apothecary, Herbalist or Medic.

Beyond that I would bet a Maiming or Scouting DPS. Either something very predictable like Mystic Knight based on past FF games..or a wildcard new job like dual handguns or some craziness.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I could have sworn I posted this already, but I couldn’t find it in my post history....probably buried in some other post but:

I am 99.9% sure the new jobs will not be any of those to appear in The Heroes Gauntlet. Rather, I thought it was a nod to “jobs you keep asking for that aren’t even on the table for consideration”.

Seemed like an inside joke to me.

If I was a betting man, I would say a healer seems a solid possibility for 6.0, but probably a name like this to avoid confusion with alCHEMIST like Apothecary, Herbalist or Medic.

Beyond that I would bet a Maiming or Scouting DPS. Either something very predictable like Mystic Knight based on past FF games..or a wildcard new job like dual handguns or some craziness.

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You really think they are going to add a 5th melee dps while the two other dps roles have 3 each?

Just a reminder that they add classes based on role (the main stat bonus they provide to the group), not by the different gear sets.

I don't expect that these boss fights are actually secretly new job hints. Especially berserker which is too similar to Warrior imo. Just give that outfit to WAR as its next AF set and you're good.

Necromancer could work but again I don't think these dungeon bosses are actually hinting at anything. Especially since that means ignoring the thief boss and only focusing on the other two.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

You really think they are going to add a 5th melee dps while the two other dps roles have 3 each?

Just a reminder that they add classes based on role (the main stat bonus they provide to the group), not by the different gear sets.

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I do:
If you boil it down to:
A) Think Ranged DPS (6+1 limited) vs Melee DPS (4), instead of "Physical melee", "magic ranged" and "physical ranged".
B) 5.0 added a ranged DPS (Dancer) and just before 5.0 we got a psuedo-kinda-ranged-DPS (Blue Mage)
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Were it any other order I would have guessed the ranged physical DPS or magical DPS as you said there are 3 of each.

I wouldn't be surprised if it actually becomes a magic DPS though.. in fact I'd say they will eventually move BLU to another column called limited jobs with something like beastmaster. But for 6.0? My bet is on Mystic Knight and some kinda medic/chemist to go with what I'm guessing will be Dalmasca.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I do:
If you boil it down to:
A) Think Ranged DPS vs Melee DPS (instead of "Physical melee", "magic ranged" and "physical ranged")
B) 5.0 added a ranged DPS (Dancer) and just before 5.0 we got a psuedo-kinda-ranged-DPS (Blue Mage)
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Were it any other order I would have guessed the ranged physical DPS or magical DPS as you said there are 3 of each. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually becomes a magic DPS though.. in fact I'd say they will eventually move BLU to another column called limited jobs with something like beastmaster. But for 6.0? My bet is on Mystic Knight and some kinda medic/chemist to go with what I'm guessing will be Dalmasca.

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But... they don’t classify the split as melee vs ranged. The 5.0 website even has the dps split as melee, caster, physical ranged.

You also can’t count blu because it’s a limited job. Which isn’t involved in party composition at all. I really hope the limited job we get in 5.5 is melee so it will stop the hordes of “we need more melee”

Though I am with you on Rune Fencer. I just don’t think we’re getting a 5th melee before a 4th caster. I really do think we’ll get it, in 7.0

I’m assuming because of this thread and the new patch that the new trial has people excited. I just say “get in line” for that. Since they’ve been adding in Geomancer stuff for 3 years as of 5.3

Also considering the role quests which are replacing job quests are Physical, Magical, Tank and Healer and they talked about potentially giving Physical Ranged and Physical Melee their own separate quests down the line. They clearly see Casters as a unique role.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

But... they don’t classify the split as melee vs ranged. The 5.0 website even has the dps split as melee, caster, physical ranged.

You also can’t count blu because it’s a limited job. Which isn’t involved in party composition at all. I really hope the limited job we get in 5.5 is melee so it will stop the hordes of “we need more melee”

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Right, which is why a mage-class wouldn't surprise me. I'm just saying where I'd put my money on. For all we know they could reorganize the jobs add "support" (they talked doing that to BRD at some point) or "magic-melee DPS".

Ultimately it's just a label for organizational purposes as there really isn't a difference in magic damage vs physical, with very rare exception. Regarding the ShB questlines, it would be nothing to have X jobs to to Y quest in one expansion then reorganize in another.

It's not really organizational its a point of balance between jobs and roles. It's pretty unlikely they'd add another role or move them around just to add a job, its too much work. It's an Occam's Razor kinda situation, the simplest solution is likely the ideal one. The easiest thing would be to add a job to an existing role that will give a good point of balance and be desirable by at least a decent part of the player base. That's the venn diagram we, should look at.

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Originally Posted by SeikishiYuuki

It's not really organizational its a point of balance between jobs and roles. It's pretty unlikely they'd add another role or move them around just to add a job, its too much work. It's an Occam's Razor kinda situation, the simplest solution is likely the ideal one. The easiest thing would be to add a job to an existing role that will give a good point of balance and be desirable by at least a decent part of the player base. That's the venn diagram we, should look at.

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I mean maybe? But if we look at the history of jobs being added, they added in a 3rd melee job (Ninja) with a weird armor (used BRD stuff?!) before a 2nd ranged physical DPS. At that time, it was seen as 2 melee (DRG + Monk), and 3 ranged (BRD + BLM + SMN), so the need for a 3rd melee.

2.0: (Base Game) 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS
2.x: +1 Melee-DPS
3.0 +1 Tank, +1 Ranged DPS, +1 Healer. This was around when they "split" it up to Magical Ranged-DPS vs Physical Ranged-DPS
4.0 +1 Magical Ranged-DPS, +1 Melee-DPS
4.x +1 Magic Ranged-DPS kinnnnnddddaaa
5.0 +1 Physical Ranged-DPS, +1 Tank

This leaves us with "Been a long time since Healer...?" and a strong maybe on Melee DPS to me, but again wouldn't be surprised if a Magic DPS because yeah, we can ignore BLU.
We also have to take into account the setting (Probably Dalmasca or other Garlean colonies).. maybe Thavnair. Either way I get middle-eastern vibes which screams Mystic Knight, which I also suspect will be melee since, well, it'd just be another RDM otherwise.

We know they don't count limited jobs, that was the whole point of them they don't mess with the balance or role allocation. Following the pattern though its Healer and either Physical Melee or Magical Ranged, Which role to we have less representation for, Magical Ranged. Which role gains more balance from an addition? Magical Ranged as even numbers are easier to balance than odd. While getting another melee isn't impossible its less likely. Rune Fencer's job identity isn't as unique as Geomancer or some of the other casters. There's basically no lore so it'd be time and resources to build it out where other casters already have it in game ready to go. 2.0 was a weird time too I'm not saying discount it but take it with a grain of salt that they had a ton of 1.0 garbage to filter and deal with and were making the best of a bad situation. Armor types aren't a point of role allocation, since they considered condensing all melee to a single Slaying gear but opted for the coffer system instead. I digress, is a melee possible, for sure, is it likely probs not from a development stand point. Unless it was something they had like mostly done from a previously planned implementation.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I mean maybe? But if we look at the history of jobs being added, they added in a 3rd melee job (Ninja) with a weird armor (used BRD stuff?!) before a 2nd ranged physical DPS. At that time, it was seen as 2 melee (DRG + Monk), and 3 ranged (BRD + BLM + SMN), so the need for a 3rd melee.

2.0: (Base Game) 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS
2.x: +1 Melee-DPS
3.0 +1 Tank, +1 Ranged DPS, +1 Healer. This was around when they "split" it up to Magical Ranged-DPS vs Physical Ranged-DPS
4.0 +1 Magical Ranged-DPS, +1 Melee-DPS
4.x +1 Magic Ranged-DPS kinnnnnddddaaa
5.0 +1 Physical Ranged-DPS, +1 Tank

This leaves us with "Been a long time since Healer...?" and a strong maybe on Melee DPS to me, but again wouldn't be surprised if a Magic DPS because yeah, we can ignore BLU.
We also have to take into account the setting (Probably Dalmasca or other Garlean colonies).. maybe Thavnair. Either way I get middle-eastern vibes which screams Mystic Knight, which I also suspect will be melee since, well, it'd just be another RDM otherwise.

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If we went Dalmasca I wouldn’t be surprised if it went the Geomancer route because it’s part of Othard still and will probably heavily involve Nagxia which is where the groups of Geomancer are rumored to be.

With Chemist or the off brand of it probably heavily involved in Thavnair and the Chemist island to the south of it.

It occurred to me that the whole Chemist quest in the MSQ was as much as a nod to a job that they can't add as everything in the dungeon. They're basically showing us why Chemist can't exist as a job, you have to go harvest everything you need to make potions all the time; with items scattered all over the place. They're basically telling us "this is why Chemist can't be a WoM job," and is instead a profession where you stay at an infirmary healing people there.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It occurred to me that the whole Chemist quest in the MSQ was as much as a nod to a job that they can't add as everything in the dungeon. They're basically showing us why Chemist can't exist as a job, you have to go harvest everything you need to make potions all the time; with items scattered all over the place. They're basically telling us "this is why Chemist can't be a WoM job," and is instead a profession where you stay at an infirmary healing people there.

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This ignores both the side comments (Alisaie) and ignores ALL the Garleans that actively use potions in combat already.

Aw, yeah, we are totally getting these new jobs! Just like we got Geomancer this expansion, after it was hinted in Stormblood!

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Oh, wait. That didn't happen. Now I'm sad. :<

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It occurred to me that the whole Chemist quest in the MSQ was as much as a nod to a job that they can't add as everything in the dungeon. They're basically showing us why Chemist can't exist as a job, you have to go harvest everything you need to make potions all the time; with items scattered all over the place. They're basically telling us "this is why Chemist can't be a WoM job," and is instead a profession where you stay at an infirmary healing people there.

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Exactly! Just like it's ridiculous that we'll ever have a bow-using job. Where are they going to get their arrows? Restock after every outing?

Folks just need to give up on the idea of ever seeing a bow as a viable weapon in this game.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

This ignores both the side comments (Alisaie) and ignores ALL the Garleans that actively use potions in combat already.

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And by the same logic GNB can't exist either because they need to keep making enchanted bullets. That also rules out MCH, as well as BRD.

And yet...here we are. Anything can work with enough creativity and imagination.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Aw, yeah, we are totally getting these new jobs! Just like we got Geomancer this expansion, after it was hinted in Stormblood!

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Oh, wait. That didn't happen. Now I'm sad. :<


Exactly! Just like it's ridiculous that we'll ever have a bow-using job. Where are they going to get their arrows? Restock after every outing?

Folks just need to give up on the idea of ever seeing a bow as a viable weapon in this game.

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Geomancer didn’t come with ShB because caster wasn’t next on the lineup. Also Yoshi has stated multiple times he doesn’t release eastern themed jobs with or next to eachother. It’s why Sam didn’t come with HW like it was planned, ninja had just been released.

They are still putting Geomancer hints in the game as of this expansion. It’s coming.

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Originally Posted by SeikishiYuuki

We know they don't count limited jobs, that was the whole point of them they don't mess with the balance or role allocation. Following the pattern though its Healer and either Physical Melee or Magical Ranged, Which role to we have less representation for, Magical Ranged. Which role gains more balance from an addition? Magical Ranged as even numbers are easier to balance than odd. While getting another melee isn't impossible its less likely. Rune Fencer's job identity isn't as unique as Geomancer or some of the other casters. There's basically no lore so it'd be time and resources to build it out where other casters already have it in game ready to go. 2.0 was a weird time too I'm not saying discount it but take it with a grain of salt that they had a ton of 1.0 garbage to filter and deal with and were making the best of a bad situation. Armor types aren't a point of role allocation, since they considered condensing all melee to a single Slaying gear but opted for the coffer system instead. I digress, is a melee possible, for sure, is it likely probs not from a development stand point. Unless it was something they had like mostly done from a previously planned implementation.

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This is definitely the most likely answer. Magic Ranged and Healer. We can debate about what those will be, but other than both being DoM jobs (because those two roles are DoM aligned) to me it's pretty up in the air. If Apothecary was a hint the vibe that it gives off is a lot less "gun toting potion shooter" and more "grind up herbs and sprinkle them to heal", which honestly does solve one of the issues with Chemists being a healer, how to deliver the healing. Aerosol based healing or gathering the aether of it and using it would work well enough. But at this stage it could just as easily be a reference to Alchemist without it being a bigger thing. All of the job hints really are so spread out it's hard to predict. The only reason Thief/Berserker can be easily ruled out is because they're clearly not mages.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Aw, yeah, we are totally getting these new jobs! Just like we got Geomancer this expansion, after it was hinted in Stormblood!

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Oh, wait. That didn't happen. Now I'm sad. :<


Exactly! Just like it's ridiculous that we'll ever have a bow-using job. Where are they going to get their arrows? Restock after every outing?

Folks just need to give up on the idea of ever seeing a bow as a viable weapon in this game.

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They didn't create cutscenes of Archers/bards gathering materials for arrows, with like 5-8 quests to finally start making them. This is what happened in that Msq quest, a very long and convoluted quest showing us how intricate of a system it is for a chemist to acquire materials to heal someone. Whether chemist is the next job or not, it's as much as a possibility as any other take on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

They didn't create cutscenes of Archers/bards gathering materials for arrows, with like 5-8 quests to finally start making them. This is what happened in that Msq quest, a very long and convoluted quest showing us how intricate of a system it is for a chemist to acquire materials to heal someone. Whether chemist is the next job or not, it's as much as a possibility as any other take on the matter.

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Right, but someone had to make their arrows. So by your logic BRD simply can't exist. Believe it or not, there is a difference between a crafting job and a combat job. Just because an Alchemist has to get their ingredients doesn't mean one more suited for combat does. Perhaps they have some sort of tech that makes creating potions easier on the fly. An Alchemist and a "Chemist" (no idea what they'd call it so I'll just roll with that I guess) might both create potions but both would have to utilize completely different methods to do so.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Right, but someone had to make their arrows. So by your logic BRD simply can't exist. Believe it or not, there is a difference between a crafting job and a combat job. Just because an Alchemist has to get their ingredients doesn't mean one more suited for combat does. Perhaps they have some sort of tech that makes creating potions easier on the fly. An Alchemist and a "Chemist" (no idea what they'd call it so I'll just roll with that I guess) might both create potions but both would have to utilize completely different methods to do so.

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They have a long precedence of using in game narratives to poke at the fact that they didn't add such and such feature. It's not about that bard has to go through a similar process, it's the fact that they're poking fun at how long (how many steps) it takes for a chemist to create a few potions. In the end it's one theory among many, it does have solid grounding though. Just like they poked fun at Necromancer, Berserker, and some others.

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Originally Posted by SeikishiYuuki

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

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Could be! Ultimately I don't think they really care about balance of job numbers so much as "What's gonna sell this expansion more/excite people into playing, and therefore using subscription time, on the job".

I'd suspect Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer to be more in line with FFV (Turban/Scimitar)..and more or less a DPS with DoTs.

Though, to counter my own points, YoshiP did say we might want to review the HW story/content, which seems to point at Sharlayan? And the only classic job I think ties into that off hand would be Time Mage (possibly tied to Alexander). So while I personally would still bet Melee DPS, I wouldn't die on that hill and would welcome anything.