Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

I'm excited about this. I don't have any expectation that I'll have needed to play the NieR games to understand it, though I'm sure there'll be details/in-jokes/references that people who have will get that I won't. But I see no reason to think the storyline itself won't be set in FF14 first and influenced by NieR second. The creator of the NieR games seems to be a very thoughtful and deliberate storyteller, and I know the ShB team is good, too, so I currently have no worries on that front.

My current running theory is Yorha is another Ancient site like Amaurot. Maybe another city, maybe a testing ground for creation constructs, I dunno. I'm hoping this will give us more story on the time of the Terminus event and maybe even more to play with when it comes to the cause of the sound that made it all happen (though I imagine that might be covered in the msq at some point, so it won't be ALL the answers here). But it is called "Dark Apocalypse" after all, so the Terminus Event being involved somehow seems a good bet.

My only concern is gameplay. I'm a bit worried it'll turn into another Wiping City for a while. Since the NieR guy seems to love creative and difficult combat mechanics. Which I'm cool with in principle, but when there's 23 other people? I'm hoping they have a reasonable margin for error. I'd like to actually finish this raid series sometime before *our* apocalypse. lol

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

While it looks nice, I fully expect neither to be dyable, which makes it unworthy.

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id say they will be dyable but not something you receive till the very last quest
so people might have some complaints how first raid doesn't give them anything

I don't know anything about Nier other than the fact that people like dressing as 2B, so I've started reading TheDarkId's Let's Play of it in order to prepare.

I hope there's a fight against a moose at some point. Or, at least, a segment where you mow down robots on the back of a moose.

https://lparchive.org/NieR-Automata/...27-l114xwq.gif

I mean, I'll play it but I'm probably just not going to pay any attention to what's going on. I don't really have any desire to play Nier Automata; though I know enough of its lore to perhaps understands what's going on. Bless those who don't even have that and are going in like 'why the hell am I here, and what does this have to do with final fantasy?' Why do I not care to play it N:A? I hate hip swing, as you can imagine I can only take so much of animu panties before I'm just sick of what I'm seeing. I'm sure it's great for some - and will add something to FF14, but whatever it's adding - it certainly ain't 'Final Fantasy'.

Tbh if you want my opinion i Drakengard 3 or just Drakengrd would've fit better in general. I love Automata, but it just seems to not really fit in with FFXIV atleast i think and its very overated Drakengard needs more attention. Drakengard 3 was my favorite. I would also love some of the 6 sisters outfits and weapons. I'm not bashing on the writers or directors just expressing my own thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Kyrausagi

Tbh if you want my opinion i Drakengard 3 or just Drakengrd would've fit better in general. I love Automata, but it just seems to not really fit in with FFXIV atleast i think and its very overated Drakengard needs more attention. Drakengard 3 was my favorite. I would also love some of the 6 sisters outfits and weapons. I'm not bashing on the writers or directors just expressing my own thoughts.

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It's basically a collaboration that SE controls entirely, imo. I'm sure they'll make it fit as best as they can lore wise though since it is a permanent addition.

Oh, i'm sure they will but Drakengard 3 needs more loving.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Still a Square Enix property. I’ll have to remember this the next time someone asks for a Chrono Trigger/ Star Ocean/ Valkyrie Profile/ Bravely Default/ Front Mission/ Octopath Traveler (etc etc) event/raid/glams/body pillow?

Or are those different because reasons?

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Minus Monster Hunter, what they've done with other unrelated games or series has touched the game in fairly superficial ways. They leave no lasting impact on the world. But we know that the 24 man content does leave a lasting impact on the world and is included in the canon.

It's also insulting that XIII, XV, and even the other MMO XI received this superficial treatment, but somehow this unrelated game is worth a 24 man raid tier? Hell I can't stand VII and I would take a VII raid over this. Because it's part of the series and belongs here having that sort of influence on the lore and the world.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I don't know anything about Nier other than the fact that people like dressing as 2B, so I've started reading TheDarkId's Let's Play of it in order to prepare.

I hope there's a fight against a moose at some point. Or, at least, a segment where you mow down robots on the back of a moose.

https://lparchive.org/NieR-Automata/...27-l114xwq.gif

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I hope the first boss is a giant moose.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Minus Monster Hunter, what they've done with other unrelated games or series has touched the game in fairly superficial ways. They leave no lasting impact on the world. But we know that the 24 man content does leave a lasting impact on the world and is included in the canon.

It's also insulting that XIII, XV, and even the other MMO XI received this superficial treatment, but somehow this unrelated game is worth a 24 man raid tier? Hell I can't stand VII and I would take a VII raid over this. Because it's part of the series and belongs here having that sort of influence on the lore and the world.

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Personally, I think XIII's brief appearance in this game at all was an insult in itself, but I have a pretty strong hatred for that title. The free stuff was nice though I suppose.

Played both Niers, platinum'ed Nier Automate 100% earning all achievement, buying not a single one, means having seen all endings, I'm more than ready for it, I'm hot for it, can't wait

PSI really hope for it, that Drakengard 1-3 get HD Remasters/Remakes with improved Gameplay Features/more Content, all 3 of them somewhat deserve it to be brought to PS4 or 5 as a kind of Trilogy Pack with all DLC included in regard of 3, that would be awesome and definetely a must buy day 1 for me.

The games were at PS2 times very lackluster, nice story n character designs, but the weak ps2/3 at those times weren't able to give those games really awesome combats, the AI in the games was terrible.
These games could be so much better under current or next console gen
And bringing those 3 games to the curreng gen surely would reactivate the fanbase even more for a brand new needed Drakengard 4 that should be made for PS5 then.

Given that right now it would be impossible to practice the Ivalace raids without brining your own group of 24 people together, I'd say no.

We are not ready.

With enough people stripping ilvl to end up in crystal tower, and leaving if it ends up at world of darkness, rather then learning any sort of mechanic, I'd say no.

We are not ready.

With the word "mechanic" treated as a curse word, we are nowhere NEIR ready.

Any word if we are getting the Nier outfits from the raid or mounts.

I'm sad to see so many people dissapointed in the raid, but you guys do you. I really hope they do keep adding permanent collab content, but I can understand not wanting it to be as major as the 24 man raid series of an expansion.

Personally I'm incredibly hyped. The Weight of the World - Prelude tune had me so excited and I love doing new 24s.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Given that right now it would be impossible to practice the Ivalace raids without brining your own group of 24 people together, I'd say no.

We are not ready.

With enough people stripping ilvl to end up in crystal tower, and leaving if it ends up at world of darkness, rather then learning any sort of mechanic, I'd say no.

We are not ready.

With the word "mechanic" treated as a curse word, we are nowhere NEIR ready.

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When people NEED to they will typically rise to the occasion in the name of progression. I've seen this time and time again. Weeping City's Ozma was a good example. Were there some wipes? You betcha. Are there still wipes? Also you betcha. But eventually the content does get cleared. It also happened with Orbonne and it will happen again with the new raid. It might be ugly for a time but people will manage somehow. They always do. Well, almost always.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I hope the first boss is a giant moose.

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http://i.ibb.co/jf2xrfH/moose.png

my mind and body is ready bring on the balls ._.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

When people NEED to they will typically rise to the occasion in the name of progression. I've seen this time and time again. Weeping City's Ozma was a good example. Were there some wipes? You betcha. Are there still wipes? Also you betcha. But eventually the content does get cleared. It also happened with Orbonne and it will happen again with the new raid. It might be ugly for a time but people will manage somehow. They always do. Well, almost always.

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"What happened with Orbonne" You mean people taking off items to avoid ending up in it ever? People using a mod to be able to see what they are qued for, so they don't end up there ever? People leaving as soon as they arrive, so they don't have to do it, ever?

People did Orbonne when it was current for gear and upgrade tokens. They'll do the same now. Just get in on Tuesday right after the weekly reset or your queue times are gonna suck.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

When people NEED to they will typically rise to the occasion in the name of progression. I've seen this time and time again. Weeping City's Ozma was a good example. Were there some wipes? You betcha. Are there still wipes? Also you betcha. But eventually the content does get cleared. It also happened with Orbonne and it will happen again with the new raid. It might be ugly for a time but people will manage somehow. They always do. Well, almost always.

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There are mountains upon mountains of analytical data that proves this demonstrably false. More often than not, when an average player is presented with an obstacle they struggle with, they either a) hope others will carry them or b) give up entirely.

Why do you think, outside of Savage and Ultimate, this game is ridiculously easy?

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

"What happened with Orbonne" You mean people taking off items to avoid ending up in it ever? People using a mod to be able to see what they are qued for, so they don't end up there ever? People leaving as soon as they arrive, so they don't have to do it, ever?

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I'm talking about when Orbonne was first released and the months that followed. I am NOT talking about Shadowbringers, which was when this became more of a thing.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

There are mountains upon mountains of analytical data that proves this demonstrably false. More often than not, when an average player is presented with an obstacle they struggle with, they either a) hope others will carry them or b) give up entirely.

Why do you think, outside of Savage and Ultimate, this game is ridiculously easy?

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Can I see your mountains upon mountains of analytical data? Because what I've seen is people clearing harder bosses in 24 man raids when they need to.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

There are mountains upon mountains of analytical data that proves this demonstrably false. More often than not, when an average player is presented with an obstacle they struggle with, they either a) hope others will carry them or b) give up entirely.

Why do you think, outside of Savage and Ultimate, this game is ridiculously easy?

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The context for what Vahlnir said is alliance raid, which is not savage or ultimate.

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Originally Posted by linay

The context for what Vahlnir said is alliance raid, which is not savage or ultimate.

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You really need to re-read what I wrote.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Can I see your mountains upon mountains of analytical data? Because what I've seen is people clearing harder bosses in 24 man raids when they need to.

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Google is your friend. Also, your experiences, however valid they may appear to be for you, are entirely meaningless in the larger discussion. Just because you have seen some people rise up (which, in itself is an incredibly small sample size) does not mean it's indicative of the player base as a whole. Case in point: why is every single piece of content (including 24-player raids) that is not Savage or Ultimate so ridiculously easy? Because the devs have analytics that tell them that players would rather be carried or give up than rise to the challenge. So many different developers over the years have confirmed this over and over.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

You really need to re-read what I wrote.



Google is your friend. Also, your experiences, however valid they may appear to be for you, are entirely meaningless in the larger discussion. Just because you have seen some people rise up (which, in itself is an incredibly small sample size) does not mean it's indicative of the player base as a whole. Case in point: why is every single piece of content (including 24-player raids) that is not Savage or Ultimate so ridiculously easy? Because the devs have analytics that tell them that players would rather be carried or give up than rise to the challenge. So many different developers over the years have confirmed this over and over.

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That isn't a mountain of analytical data. If you really have said proof you will have no problem showing me. :) Otherwise you're just pulling "facts" out of thin air. I know what I see. Is that "data"? No. But I'm not claiming that it is either.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That isn't a mountain of analytical data. If you really have said proof you will have no problem showing me. :) Otherwise you're just pulling "facts" out of thin air. I know what I see. Is that "data"? No. But I'm not claiming that it is either.

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Just because I won't do research for some random on the Internet doesn't mean my "facts" are pulled out of thin air.

Try again.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

You really need to re-read what I wrote.

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You claimed that anything not savage or ultimate is easy yet disagreed to the idea that people will rise up to meet the challenge of an alliance raid, which is not savage or ultimate and thus would be easy content in your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Just because I won't do research for some random on the Internet doesn't mean my "facts" are pulled out of thin air.

Try again.

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But it does mean that we won't believe you.

Also, Google is likely one of the worse ways to find reliable analytical data. How do you know that such data isn't itself only a cross-section of the player base? Outside of maybe parsing tools and surveys/polls, I can't see how such data would even be compiled in the first place. The only ones with the ability to monitor who fails a mechanic and then leaves a duty, without fail, is Square Enix. I highly doubt they are releasing that data, if they are even recording it.

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Originally Posted by Kyrausagi

Oh, i'm sure they will but Drakengard 3 needs more loving.

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Drakengard 3 was both good and bad tbh lol.
I really want every single characters outfits in this game lol.
Zero looks much better than 2B imo.

https://raikou2.donmai.us/08/8e/__ze...899ff5183b.jpg

I demand a Mikhail minion!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That isn't a mountain of analytical data. If you really have said proof you will have no problem showing me. :) Otherwise you're just pulling "facts" out of thin air. I know what I see. Is that "data"? No. But I'm not claiming that it is either.

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He's not worth arguing with.

I just hope we get the weapons for glamour by one way or another.
And not just a katana if we ask enough.
All weapons se please

I would LOVE Zero's outfit! Yoko Taro wrote 5 complex female characters, LIKE actually complex. Which is one of the main reason and then Mikhail as a minion or a mount! He has to sing that cute song when he's lying! (The game is 100% better in Japanese)

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm talking about when Orbonne was first released and the months that followed. I am NOT talking about Shadowbringers, which was when this became more of a thing.

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Yes, I know, your talking about the now distant past. I'm talking about now. This is NOW now. That was then.

If the average player can't even handle old content, I still feel they won't be able to handle new content.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

If the average player can't even handle old content, I still feel they won't be able to handle new content.

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Every time I get Orbonne since Shadowbringers, the only times I can't complete it have been when people leave at the start and we can't fill in time for Cid. Every other times have been great, so I would say people can handle old content just fine. It's a matter of whether they want to.

Please, people, just stay for Orbonne or any other alliance raid. They're fun to do and easily doable with a full alliance.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Yes, I know, your talking about the now distant past. I'm talking about now. This is NOW now. That was then.

If the average player can't even handle old content, I still feel they won't be able to handle new content.

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The average player can handle Orbonne and the like just fine. It's just whether they want to or not. When they WANT to it's more than doable, even if there's some wipes. Either way this thread is about the new raid coming up. Let's not derail this any further.