If you are going to do a Live Letter

Are we forgetting that there's literally software out there that squeenix can use that automatically live translates languages into other languages? How hard is it to set one up? Sure, some translations might be a bit janky, but it's better than nothing.

They could at the very least post a summary of upcoming changes in announcements in the forums when the stream started.

We don't pay a discounted monthly fee in comparison to JP so its our right to demand to receive the same services.

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Just because he understands english that doesn't mean that he's fluent enough to talk on a LL. And that's especially true when you know that japanese don't like to do it unless their english is perfect.

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I’ve met plenty of Japanese exchange students that speak in English with us even if it isn’t perfect. Foxclon still communicates in English sometimes on the streams—I recall during the ShB pre-expansion PLLs where he used quite a bit of English during the sound and video fiasco they were having. So I don’t know how much weight that comment really holds.

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On top of that they most probably felt that it would have been unpolite towards the japanese audience there. You would know if you weren't so close-minded and self-important. The world doesn't revolve around you (general "you"). There's other cultures, and life circumstances related to that, that you should respect.

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I certainly hope you aren’t prefacing your arguments with calling me close-minded and self-important—since I don’t see your “general ‘you’” disclaimer included with that statement. Uncalled for ad hominem is not how you lead a productive discussion. Look no further than the derailment between Zanarkand-Ronso and other posters: people ignored what they had to say all because they chose to “call out” another poster as being a “self-important American”. Said poster wasn’t even an American, so their generalization had no basis to even stand on—aside from the fact that it was irrelevant to the discussion and completely uncalled for; your comments about how “close-minded and self-important” I am are similar in nature.

All that said...

You do realize that real-time translations can occur without a translator being on the scene, yes? The PLL was already being streamed to FFXIV’s global audiences—a translator could be embedded into the stream from a separate location and still translate in real-time. They don’t always have to be face-to-face with those that they are translating for or interpreting for. With technology the way it is, they could be across the globe performing this. This solves two major issues: your concern with the experience being hampered by an on-site English translator, and the global market’s desire for information to be given to them in a language they can understand.

You demand for us to respect their circumstances, but you don’t expect them to respect ours? Like how we don’t understand their language? Like how we also pay to play this game, and would love to receive information in a far more timely manner directly from the source as opposed to relying on third parties? Isn’t that a bit of a double standard you’re defending here?

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You'll get the same information eventually, once they translate it, so what's the matter? That you have to wait for it once per year? You can literally wait without it being an actual inconvenience for you, unlike the audience that was there.

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Wait once a year? How many PLLs do you think the developers do? They do at least two per new patch—generally split into a “Part 1” and “Part 2”. With patch cycles generally being slightly over 3 months in length, that means we usually see 2 or 3 patches a year. Meaning 4 to 6 PLLs. The number is actually a bit higher, since sometimes in-between patches will have PLLs associated with them. Only Fanfests and Expansion PLLs tend to have real-time translators—the rest we have to rely on third parties; or we wait and twiddle our thumbs until they release a Digest a couple weeks later because not everyone is aware that some sites (like FFXIV’s Subreddit) do fan translations. But it doesn’t have to be this way.

People are allowed to request that a global company provide its global audience with more readily accessible news with regards to PLLs and Patch content—and even the additional “fluff” stuff, like the interaction with Yoshida and Yoko Taro. Just because you’re of the opinion that that makes us “close-minded” and “self-important” doesn’t make it so.

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About the "strawman", it was an example to show you how ridiculous this is. English may be the lingua franca nowadays, but you can't expect everyone to learn or use it. Is it nice if they do? Yes. But no one should be forced to use it, and much less on a local event with live constraints (read previous posts) preventing them to properly offer a free translation like they always do otherwise.

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You say this request is ridiculous, but I disagree. I don’t think it’s outside of the realm of possibility, nor do I think it’s a crime for asking that more PLLs include translations in real-time.

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They are saying that you are wrong. And you are. English is definitly not as "worldwide" and easy as you think.
It's a common misconception that got carried from the fact that english is the default language used in international trading. But we're not in that context here.

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English is a business language. With regards to MMOs and marketing future content, we are very much within the applicable context here.

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They are saying that you are wrong. And you are. English is definitly not as "worldwide" and easy as you think.

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Ehhh, I have had a foot in a lot of overseas communities due to previous employment, and even those communities which are not native-English speaking use English as a common language, specifically where video games are concerned. I was in a few dutch and german groups where addressing me in any language but english was, by their own rules, a suspend/bannable offense, and part of the reason I was interacting with those groups was a passable ability to read dutch and german so they didnt have to use english all the time.

Theres also generally no reason for an MMO or persistent online community to care about those populations which have no internet access (which makes up somewhere between a third and a half of the "dont speak english" category in that link).


On the business side of MMO things, I've never run into anyone who doesnt speak passable enough English to communicate (Squeenix being the one major company I havent worked with/for).

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On top of that they most probably felt that it would have been unpolite towards the japanese audience there. You would know if you weren't so close-minded and self-important. The world doesn't revolve around you (general "you"). There's other cultures, and life circumstances related to that, that you should respect.

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Theres slapdash speedrunning events or RPG broadcast events that can get barely delayed re-streams in 3 or 4 languages on a weeks notice.

Squeenix is a massive company with people they pay specifically to do those things.

It is not out an out there idea to expect they can re-stream their live letters in their supported languages, especially when they already know what is going to be addressed given they've made slides for it and likely have a rough script.

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You would know if you weren't so close-minded and self-important. The world doesn't revolve around you

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Why does every time someone expresses their dislikes someone needs to insult them.
You guys are always so mob mentality it's hard to talk sometimes on these forums.
I'm seeing it a lot lately. Perhaps it's time to walk away for a
bit for some of you because goodness me it's bad lately...

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Why does every time someone expresses their dislikes someone needs to insult them.
You guys are always so mob mentality it's hard to talk sometimes on these forums.
I'm seeing it a lot lately. Perhaps it's time to walk away for a
bit for some of you because goodness me it's bad lately...

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HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE FORUM RAGE!

...I kid. Yeah, it might seem like it's happening a lot more lately but honestly? It has been happening in every internet forum since...idk, forever.

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Ehhh, I have had a foot in a lot of overseas communities due to previous employment, and even those communities which are not native-English speaking use English as a common language, specifically where video games are concerned. I was in a few dutch and german groups where addressing me in any language but english was, by their own rules, a suspend/bannable offense

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So much this. My dad used to go overseas for business alot, especially in Asia (due to geographical location) and they always insisted on speaking English, even when my dad could speak their languages. This is including when he went to Japan for business. They spoke to their English customers for business in English only, so it's kinda weird that squeenix doesn't offer at least live translations using software, they are being potentially disrespectful to most of their customers when they have JP only streams.

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Why does every time someone expresses their dislikes someone needs to insult them.
You guys are always so mob mentality it's hard to talk sometimes on these forums.
I'm seeing it a lot lately. Perhaps it's time to walk away for a
bit for some of you because goodness me it's bad lately...

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Why is it every time somebody Disagrees and has a Different Opinion a Fight Breaks out?
And then there is a lecture about how its so important to state that you are right to Criticize, as if anybody else can control you?

Like, it seems like Discussion is a bad thing all of a sudden, and people just want to fight so they can Validate their Criticism. Anybody on the opposite end is an opponent to take down, and its just childish. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, wither or not its with the Mob or not. We shouldn't devolve so eagerly and so quickly.

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Why is it every time somebody Disagrees and has a Different Opinion a Fight Breaks out?
And then there is a lecture about how its so important to state that you are right to Criticize, as if anybody else can control you?

Like, it seems like Discussion is a bad thing all of a sudden, and people just want to fight so they can Validate their Criticism. Anybody on the opposite end is an opponent to take down, and its just childish. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, wither or not its with the Mob or not. We shouldn't devolve so eagerly and so quickly.

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There’s a vast difference between having a discussion, and someone outright insulting another poster due to disagreeing with them on a point. There's no reason to result to insults or negative generalizations; you and I have already had this discussion in this very thread. You can easily counter points you disagree with without resorting to calling other posters names or using phrases like “close-minded” and “self-important” against them.

The discussion at present isn’t a fight until someone makes it one. Usually by opting to insult and generalize rather than actually address what’s being said. Countering arguments isn’t the same as fighting or trying to “take down” an “opponent”. It’s participating in discourse and debating.

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The issues is people are having to wait a while for them to translate it.
It'll be nice to not having to use other social media sites to get your info.
SE is a multibillionaire company, let's not pretend they're scrounging for money
and are a "small indie dev, please understand" meme that they couldn't afford
translators. Not only that, they gave us news on the website about said Live Letter then tell us
"Oh it's in Japanese only"....In English. They could find a way to appeal everyone here somehow.

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So I understand your speaking your mind, and I whole fully respect that and encourage it, but you realize your not the only person to tell me this exact thing?
Bit of a Broken Record Post.

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I dunno, you kinda dug yourself in the grave with that one comment
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I know what I said. I already Multiple times admitted I generalized and it didn't need to be said.
Still doesn't mean it was Aggression. Meanwhile 2 people gave me Aggression, do love how everyone excuses them though. Especially the "You...Humans" post.

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There’s a vast difference between having a discussion, and someone outright insulting another poster due to disagreeing with them on a point. There's no reason to result to insults or negative generalizations; you and I have already had this discussion in this very thread. You can easily counter points you disagree with without resorting to calling other posters names or using phrases like “close-minded” and “self-important” against them.

The discussion at present isn’t a fight until someone makes it one. Usually by opting to insult and generalize rather than actually address what’s being said. Countering arguments isn’t the same as fighting or trying to “take down” an “opponent”. It’s participating in discourse and debating.

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I didn't insult anyone, people got offended by a Generalization.
Conversation could have returned to normal, and about the topic, but people made it about me and a Generalization. They focused on that and wanted to fight about it.

Your right, it wasn't a fight, until people made it one. It wasn't about trying to “take down” an “opponent” until people made it that way.
You say something someone doesn't like, you speak against the Mob, then someone gets upset, and things devolve.

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I didn't insult anyone, people got offended by a Generalization.
Conversation could have returned to normal, and about the topic, but people made it about me and a Generalization. They focused on that and wanted to fight about it.

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I wasn’t even talking about your statement, but the statement another poster made to me a few posts up. However, it is telling that your mind immediately jumped to our prior conversation. Your “generalization” was negative and still uncalled for. It was an insult; you were implying that Americans are self-important, which, as another poster explained to you, doesn’t carry positive connotations and is equatable to calling people conceited. It was perceived as rather aggressive by more than just myself—regardless of your “meeting me halfway”, that doesn’t change anything. Interpreting something as aggressive doesn’t equate to being offended, either. I wasn’t offended by your post, but I still found it aggressive; primarily because it was unprovoked—you just made it “because reasons”. I know a lot people are easily offended nowadays, but not everyone is; and calling out a statement as unnecessary doesn’t mean the person doing the calling out is offended by said statement.

Anyways, moving on from this dead horse...

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Your right, it wasn't a fight, until people made it one. It wasn't about trying to “take down” an “opponent” until people made it that way.
You say something someone doesn't like, you speak against the Mob, then someone gets upset, and things devolve.

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I don’t think most of this discussion was a “fight”. Enough posters are being relatively civil about it. However, there are still those who would rather resort to insults as opposed to discussion. And this doesn’t apply to just this thread—many threads on here end in this nowadays. It only seems to get worse as time goes by. I know this platform hasn’t been the best for discussions—but at least previously you could find some well-reasoned ones. Now, it’s difficult to find even those, I feel.

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Anyways, moving on from this dead horse...

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Thank You, that would be Lovely.

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I don’t think most of this discussion was a “fight”. Enough posters are being relatively civil about it. However, there are still those who would rather resort to insults as opposed to discussion. And this doesn’t apply to just this thread—many threads on here end in this nowadays. It only seems to get worse as time goes by. I know this platform hasn’t been the best for discussions—but at least previously you could find some well-reasoned ones. Now, it’s difficult to find even those, I feel.

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Sadly yes. But at least you can say these Forums are Never Boring, and sometimes actually even fun. Some of the topics that come in have fun conversation, or when people are ready to stop fighting or Arguing even for a brief moment it becomes Meme-fest and good fun jokes. And these are the most fun times to be on the forums.
Hopefully we can have more of that.
And even nice Conversations like this.

Thank you Mimilu

This whole thread reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend the other day.

One of my sources for unofficially translated manga decided to shut down, and now I have to hunt for new sources. He then asked "well, couldn't you just buy the manga?" No, I can't. I can't buy the stuff even if I want to. I wouldn't resort to unofficial translations on some obscure website if I had a way to just access the stuff normally.

It's a known thing that many of the Japanese have an attitude that goes "if you want to enjoy my works, learn Japanese and come to Japan." It's no different than how many Americans and Europeans put out all their work in just English and say "English is now so big worldwide, so just learn English!"

Even though Square Enix is much more inclusive about its foreign customer base than that, something as niche as a live letter is still asking to have foreigners treated as "extras."

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People want easy to understand, accurate communication?

There's been more than one instance of translation issues / error.

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At some point yes,just doesnt give these vibes anymore,it turned from wanting translations to > where are ppl from/hurr durr demands and more~
If thats how people provide feedback now then dunno!

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I’ve met plenty of Japanese exchange students that speak in English with us even if it isn’t perfect. Foxclon still communicates in English sometimes on the streams—I recall during the ShB pre-expansion PLLs where he used quite a bit of English during the sound and video fiasco they were having. So I don’t know how much weight that comment really holds.

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Japanese exchange students are an obvious exception, mostly because they want to practice their english. The same thing can be said about the japanese that go to places where foreigners meet up in japan. You can even find japanese people on the street replying to you in english, be it due to that reason or because they want to be polite. In regards to Foxclon, one thing is to use a bit of english out of need, and another one is making the whole LL using it. And much less on a live japanese event with a japanese crowd waiting in front of you.

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I certainly hope you aren’t prefacing your arguments with calling me close-minded and self-important—since I don’t see your “general ‘you’” disclaimer included with that statement. Uncalled for ad hominem is not how you lead a productive discussion. Look no further than the derailment between Zanarkand-Ronso and other posters: people ignored what they had to say all because they chose to “call out” another poster as being a “self-important American”. Said poster wasn’t even an American, so their generalization had no basis to even stand on—aside from the fact that it was irrelevant to the discussion and completely uncalled for; your comments about how “close-minded and self-important” I am are similar in nature.

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I was talking in general all the time, even though you seem to insist on proving my point. Regardless, I should have clarified it earlier I guess. We're living in the "perpetually offended" culture nowadays, after all. Also, there's more subtle ways to attack someone's opinion, which you all seem to insist on using. But talking about that will take us nowhere, so I can just apologise and close this.

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You do realize that real-time translations can occur without a translator being on the scene, yes? The PLL was already being streamed to FFXIV’s global audiences—a translator could be embedded into the stream from a separate location and still translate in real-time. They don’t always have to be face-to-face with those that they are translating for or interpreting for. With technology the way it is, they could be across the globe performing this. This solves two major issues: your concern with the experience being hampered by an on-site English translator, and the global market’s desire for information to be given to them in a language they can understand.

You demand for us to respect their circumstances, but you don’t expect them to respect ours? Like how we don’t understand their language? Like how we also pay to play this game, and would love to receive information in a far more timely manner directly from the source as opposed to relying on third parties? Isn’t that a bit of a double standard you’re defending here?

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Did you even watch the LL? There's no way that a translator (nor a full team of them) can translate the 4-way conversation that they were having most of the time. At least not in a proper way. Japanese is not english, nor even similar to it, and it's really hard to be able to translate it live without missing more than half of the stuff that they keep talking about while you do it (that's why they always wait for their translator when they do it live, and why it looks way more scripted than when they don't do it). And before someone says it again: the LL is scripted, but just to a point. All they can do is making a summary beforehand... like the slideshow that they showed us during the first part of the LL (which had plenty of english).

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Wait once a year? How many PLLs do you think the developers do? They do at least two per new patch—generally split into a “Part 1” and “Part 2”. With patch cycles generally being slightly over 3 months in length, that means we usually see 2 or 3 patches a year. Meaning 4 to 6 PLLs. The number is actually a bit higher, since sometimes in-between patches will have PLLs associated with them. Only Fanfests and Expansion PLLs tend to have real-time translators—the rest we have to rely on third parties; or we wait and twiddle our thumbs until they release a Digest a couple weeks later because not everyone is aware that some sites (like FFXIV’s Subreddit) do fan translations. But it doesn’t have to be this way.

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Almost every LL done during the year has been translated, even live by either Aimi-san or Koji. Only special events such as this one aren't. So, yes, probably 1 or 2 (if you count the japanese FanFest, which I forgot about).

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People are allowed to request that a global company provide its global audience with more readily accessible news with regards to PLLs and Patch content—and even the additional “fluff” stuff, like the interaction with Yoshida and Yoko Taro. Just because you’re of the opinion that that makes us “close-minded” and “self-important” doesn’t make it so.

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The only thing that I agree with is with the fact that, even though their translators are not just sitting on their hands waiting for a LL to happen, they shouldn't need several weeks to post the LL digest. The rest, meaning people demanding a live translation on a live japanese event that was even announced as having japanese-only audio, or even some saying that they should just record it beforehand (really? and screw the TGS attendants just because of you? can you see why I said what I said?) is just something that I can't agree with, and I explained why already.

I think the approach from the JP fan fest would solve this. Translations of the original by commentators. The issue with translating on the fly is that it takes so long so the LL takes much longer to convey the same information. Having commentators translating over the top of the other broadcast is the middle ground.

During HSW there were specific community streams to summarise the LL but unfortunately, they didn't really advertise them very well.

That said, they are a Japanese company and I think there is a prevalent arrogance from English speaking nations (I'm from the UK and I see this quite a lot) where e expect things to be translated to English. I think though, that at the end of the day, the game is Japanese, its development team are Japanese and the outreach they do to give us translations already should be commended. Sure improvements can be made, but equally, they could also give us nothing. While I haven't got very far, i have started trying to learn Japanese for this reason. I simply think they shouldn't be expected to provide translations outside of the games native tongue. We as non-japanese speakers should instead take the effort to get translations or learn Japanese. The community on Reddit already do this. TDLR: It's our issue not theirs.

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Then provide translation. This live letter was an atrocity for a lot of people, and while they provided a little bit of english on the screen, we missed a lot.

This was really just... silly and disappointing.

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it was at the Tokyo Game Show...Do you honestly expect full english support?

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it was at the Tokyo Game Show...Do you honestly expect full english support?

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Meanwhile in EU/NA shows Yoshida speaks and we have to wait for someone else to translate (which is no problem). However, asking for the same in Tokio, at least the important stuff about the upcoming patch, is a sign of arrogance and entitlement. Ok.

To the usual "WoW bad, FFXIV good!" we have to add "EU/NA bad, Japan good!"

I just find it bad too that we dont at least get a full english translation. Yes fan sites translate it but in the past there has always been some mistakes in some of these translations which then might mean that people have the wrong information on something. (Like the last one where reddit said that we wont get the other hair for Viera and a poster here on the forum said that in his translation Yoshida said that we will get the older hair but changed for Viera) Thus an official translation that Yoshida also overlooked once to see if everything is fine would be miles better.

Also not sure why some are saying that its fine for it being JP only since its in their country. When they are outside of it, for example at the different fanfests, then they will still speak japenese and might have a translator with them. If we take the logic from some shouldnt they kinda talk in the language of the country then? And not provide a japanese version of it?

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it was at the Tokyo Game Show...Do you honestly expect full english support?

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Purely hypothetically speaking, let's pretend Yoshida spoke full English and hosted a LL in New York. There were no Japanese translations from SE themselves. Do you think the JP community would be fine with that or would they be complaining how it's clearly American bias showing? Considering they have actually accused the dev team of listening to NA more than them in the past, I think we can safely assume they wouldn't appreciate it.

So why does this excuse work when the scenario is flipped? Keep in mind, people aren't faulting Yoshida or any of the dev team. They're pointing to Square Enix, a multi-billion dollar company, not wanting to spend the money to have a translator.

Are you KIDDING me? I know that this site has many sycophants for SE, but this is outrageous. You PAY for this game... you know... with MONEY? They are talking about a major update to game that you play each month for a subscription. This is important information for you to decide whether or not you will CONTINUE to SUBSCRIBE and pay for this service. If you don't have the information to make that decision, how can you decide whether to sub or not?

Are you serious? This is a AAA multi billiondollar corporation. They for damn sure have the money to pay for a translator. They KNOW that English / EU players are going to be wanting this information. They had a translator for the expansion Live Letter / Event... why not now, if there is a major patch? It's a sick, and disgusting world when the PLAYERS are being called LAZY for the AAA corporation's failure to provide adequate means to obtain information about their product. It's not on the FANS to translate, it's on SE. Period. Full stop.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be frustrated that we have to fan translate an update for an internationally released and maintained game with patches that are not staggered (except in select regions).

Hyperbole much? Jesus. They said in the announcement for the live letter that the audio would be in Japanese only, and Reddit did a fine job translating in real time. But I guess if not having a translator for the first of 2 LL's on 5.1 is such a high crime and misdemeanor, maybe you should just protest with your wallet and save yourself the agony of having to read text instead of hearing it live.

The PLL was present at Tokyo Game Show, in Japan, where people mainly speak Japanese. While the game itself stretches across the world Japan is the main audience so they're going to speak plainly to them first and foremost. I am surprised they didn't have Matt and Koji doing the on the fly translations in a seperate stream but I'm relating to it not being at a Fanfest so not everyone was there. It's annoying but keep in mind a vast majority of games shown off including Guilty Gear had the same treatment, and Guilty Gear is a BIG success in the West.

There was much more conversation in this PLL due to the Saito/Taro interview, but thankfully through Twitch (in the English chat) and the FFXIV Subreddit both were offering translations for the events. Both the big things and also the funny moments too.

I get the frustration for them not providing it, but considering the show, the planned events, it was probably a time saving option to have them forego a translator in the PLL as they almost went over in time during the interview. Translating the conversation live as well in a different stream would probably lead to Koji getting some details but being caught up in delivering that he may miss four or five more quick lines they throw out. People still would have complained regardless I'm sure.

The big takeaway for me from this whole thing is that if they aren't gonna provide the detailed translations someone in the community will. The twitch user in the English chat was an absolute hero as they were getting them out before the subreddit so it was like hearing the convos in real time. They also translated Yoko Taro's comments which were absolute gold.

100% agree with the OP. When the majority of your players are English speakers, and you decide not to provide an English translation, it comes off as incredibly disrespectful.

I love S-E, fan for life, but these decisions are very unsettling.

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Hyperbole much? Jesus. They said in the announcement for the live letter that the audio would be in Japanese only, and Reddit did a fine job translating in real time. But I guess if not having a translator for the first of 2 LL's on 5.1 is such a high crime and misdemeanor, maybe you should just protest with your wallet and save yourself the agony of having to read text instead of hearing it live.

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As I've said before, which has long been drowned out. There are other sources for translations, but people don't read and expect what they want to be delivered with a bow. The slides had English and JP. That's what mattered.Translations for the vital stuff is what was given. The side chatter and Taro talking about how healer gear is ugly was not vital for those who only wanted gameplay related things. Having translations for the side chatter would have been nice, but- it's not vital.

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The big takeaway for me from this whole thing is that if they aren't gonna provide the detailed translations someone in the community will.

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Which is technically the point of contention. And why since a long while I have been partisan of just dropping live letters and do the content in a more "Nintendo Direct" Format with actual details instead of 3 hrs of ambiguous banter with very few things disclosed because its spoiler/surprise/secret/shenanigans. Even more so if its condition seems to be "Yoshi has to say it".



I do appreciate the people who go out of their way to translate as much as they do, but you'd think SE would put a bit more effort in the translation/summary being available sooner, if not dev blogs with hints.

I’m ok with them conducting it in Japanese only but in that case there should have been an English translation posted here on the forums immediately after or during. I don’t care if it was on Saturday, in the real world people work on weekends.

and a lot of corporations have policies about not being allowed to work overtime. Salaried people don't get overtime pay for working outside of prescribed working hours. they may begrudgingly give time in lieu but that's not really a good way to compensate people.

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and a lot of corporations have policies about not being allowed to work overtime. Salaried people don't get overtime pay for working outside of prescribed working hours. they may begrudgingly give time in lieu but that's not really a good way to compensate people.

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The letters are always heavily scripted. They could have always pre-translated everything well ahead of time with images of the slides and just had someone at the show who was working post it on the forums immediately after everything concluded.

Edit: and by “everything” I was just referring to the 5.1 info, i.e. the only stuff we wanted to hear about.

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Yes, but WHY is it still Japanese only. After 6 years, and having more non JP subscribers, are we still not important enough?

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80-103% of WoW players are Chinese, yet they still do everything in English.

People stick to the language and comfort zones they know.

Quality translations usually follow on pretty quickly.

SE treats it’s NA customers very well compared to most global game operations. How many Blizzcons have been in Shanghai? Let alone Seoul Korea - the country that is the sole reason Blizzard survived the decade between Warcraft 2 and WoW... When was the last time NCSoft showed up for anything for one of ArenaNet’s GW2 events? All NCSOFT does for its NA customers is cancel their games if the home market has dropped off...

We get constant attention and care by SE that goes above and beyond what would be normal.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Do you think the JP community would be fine with that or would they be complaining how it's clearly American bias showing? Considering they have actually accused the dev team of listening to NA more than them in the past, I think we can safely assume they wouldn't appreciate it.

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There's more complaining in this thread than there is on the entirety of the Japanese side of the forums.

We pay their bills; we have leeway to be reasonably demanding. That shouldn't be mistaken for lack of appreciation for the service we do get, nor should the presence of that good service somehow invalidate any reasonable demands we may have.

"Square Enix should provide some venue of translation for an announcement on their globally released and maintained game," is not an unreasonable demand. It is probably not something that people should be as worked up over as they are in this thread (on both sides of this argument), but that doesn't make it unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

80-103% of WoW players are Chinese, yet they still do everything in English.

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Uh, not to be that guy, but, you can't have 103% in this situation. Math no worky that way :P

Sheesh, already 16 pages about something that should be for a company of that size n reputation n money they have for thei basically most well running game a professional international STANDARD, regardles of where in the world the information is given out, in times of the half worlds basically being able to speak English, its not called for no reason the World Language Number 1, because you make sure with it, that you can do and spread communication and information with and for as many people as possible.
Regardless of what it is, if now hard facts, or just a banter of 4 persons talking with each other, when its exactly that what interests the people the freaking most of all, because IT'S HUMANOUS, IT'S SOCIAL, that people want to be part of a discussion, when things are discussed, that people are interested in, even it are just only jokes and normal chit chat of simply PERSONS you are interested in, that you as a stream watcher WANT TO UNDERSTAND, without being forced to learn first one of the worlds most difficult exotic languages there is, that is Japanese, because western people even can't hardly spell out what these people say out in such an awesome fluity, without sounding like a drunken frog that bites it self with each word onto it's own tongue XD

It should be in a companies most natural interest to inform on such events like the E3, Gamescom here in Germany, TGS, Pax and so on, all those BIG IMPORTANT Gaming Tradefares where the whole Player Community of FF14 all over the world LOOKS ON, by streams via YT, Twitch ect, that these people can understand what they see, and that COMPLETELY, not just only 50% of it.

The most easiest n efficient way to do so, is by using English, I guess by skimming through those 16 pages, that are already 16 pages too much, that show how disrespectful that second half was, that there would have been plenty enough solutions to make sure, that they could have had their natural on the flow conversation in Japanesem while also making sure that non japanese people being interested in what they say, can understand them - and that basically ON THE SAME DAY - not first WEEKS LATER, when the stream is already long long looooooooooooooong OVER

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Uh, not to be that guy, but, you can't have 103% in this situation. Math no worky that way :P

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/facepalm...

Tell me you aren’t actually that flat of a person... if it’s obvious that a number is not possible then maybe consider its being for the purpose of exaggeration...

Especially in the context of all these folks complaining at how horrible SE treats MA because they have some minor inconvenience which is countered by so much goodwill from SE towards its international audience.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

/facepalm...

Tell me you aren’t actually that flat of a person... if it’s obvious that a number is not possible then maybe consider its being for the purpose of exaggeration...

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The real question is, are you?

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

The letters are always heavily scripted. They could have always pre-translated everything well ahead of time with images of the slides and just had someone at the show who was working post it on the forums immediately after everything concluded.

Edit: and by “everything” I was just referring to the 5.1 info, i.e. the only stuff we wanted to hear about.

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Lol no they're not. Instead of heavily scripted I think you mean they have bullet points to follow. Not an actual word by word script like a Nintendo Direct or E3 reading off a teleprompter. There's been times when Yoshi has gone back on a slide to add something of note or will over-talk in detail.

And who is "we"? There are others in this thread who are quite alright with how things turned out.