Eureka CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions thread - no negativity

1.Remove the 3hours limitation or make it an actual world map, not instance.

2.Add more gameplay & details from XI, not just the XI grind.

3.I am fine with the grind, I am lv6 & 250crystals now,in just 1day,
but the current formula(3-6months gear cycle, pure vertical progression) is conflicting with the XI one, if I've to choose one, I choose the latter or something between them (XIV1.2x)

4.Abilities are too flashy when zerging the fate, tune them down.

Put fates into Eureka, this may make it more involving.

And give it better rewards at the level of Savage content.

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Originally Posted by Disappoint

Let people go in below the level cap, sync them to 70 and give a ton of experience. Work on a relic of your choosing while also leveling an alt.

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I'd have to disagree with that suggestion only because I've seen what happened with PVP when they introduced EXP into it - it was ruined by people who didn't know their jobs, those who didn't care about the win (just the EXP) & bots farming EXP.

Eureka needs to stand alone as much as possible, I was even surprised to see tomes being awarded.

I'd like to see the "Return" timer reduced in Eureka too. It's almost essential if you get stuck somewhere & need to return quickly. It currently shares the same timer as the open world version (unlike PVP) which is too long.

The one thing that seriously burns me is lockboxes.

Right now, the only obtainable source for them seems to be NMs which pop up infrequently. If you manage to actually reach a NM without dying or DC'ing you'll get around 5-12 lockboxes on average.
When you open them the chances are you'll get something incredibly useless like fireworks.
This is fine in PotD since they only really drop from the lower level floors and those are essentially the "easy" floors. But in an instance where you have to invest hours into leveling up and if anything should go wrong you'll end up wasting about an hour of progress should you die, it feels like a slap in the face.

There's two ways to go about this:

1) Give EVERYTHING a chance to drop a lockbox. The rewards will feel less insulting if you're aware anything has a chance to drop a lockbox.
2) Remove "unfavourable" items from the loot table. At the very minimum the "useless" items like fireworks or lower materia should be replaced with crystals, since they're key items you need to progress and they drop rarely during the leveling process.

You can't have both "limited drop rate" with a "high risk/low reward" system. It just feels aggravating rather than exciting.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

I'd have to disagree with that suggestion only because I've seen what happened with PVP when they introduced EXP into it - it was ruined by people who didn't know their jobs, those who didn't care about the win (just the EXP) & bots farming EXP.

Eureka needs to stand alone as much as possible, I was even surprised to see tomes being awarded.

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I agree with the exp if only for the reason that you're already in there building exp in a mindless grind outside of NMs. If it's going to be FATEs in all but name, let it give class exp.

Moreover to the OP, the reason it's not in the world map is so that it can draw in players across the data center. Worst case scenario, the content is bad and no one's doing it, at least you can pull more people in from the data center instead of just your world.

I enjoy the Eureka concept, I think it could vastly improve. I really have no interest in going back unless my friends come along, and they don't want to play 15-year-old MMO failed methods.

IDEA:

- After 20 enemy kill chains, guarantee a drop every other enemy. Chests and crystals is fine, crystals are preferred. Just give us a guaranteed method of gratification. We're tired of RNG, and we thought you were too after ARR grind.

- Offer different size boxes. After 20 enemy kill chains, the loot should be a lot better and more probable 5-star results.

- Reward on skill, not on RNG.

Honestly, at a certain point the most constructive suggestion is that they need to be hiring new people and firing those that thought this was ok. There's almost literally nothing to this content so there's tons of constructive possibilities for it, but that's the kind of thing you pay developers for.

IMO it can't be saved. The combat system of this game doesn't allow mindless grind without getting bored easily.
The bosses and mechanics of this game make the battle system fun. Grinding mobs in Eureka its completely the opposite of what makes the battle system engaging.
And slapping an elemental wheel isn't something that can substitute the thrill of having to deal with mechanics such as the ones from 24man/dungeons/raids...
Eureka was born dead.

I solo'd all the way to level 4 and had only 1 Protean and 2 Anemos drops as it was difficult to chain even 10 kills as a Scholar solo.

An FC member finally logged in and he and I partied up for some grinding. I helped get him from level 1 to level 4 and I still didn't level up due to us fighting only level 1-3 mobs in that time. He ended up with 15 Protean drops to my 0 in that time as well since the kills only counted as chains to him. In 2 hours he gained 3 levels and 15 drops compared to my no level and no drop.

It's too punishing to solo and too punishing to help others catch up.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

I solo'd all the way to level 4 and had only 1 Protean and 2 Anemos drops as it was difficult to chain even 10 kills as a Scholar solo.

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It's too punishing to solo and too punishing to help others catch up.

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Scholar solo is a pain because we don't have the raw damage to kill fast enough. We can kill, without doubt, but nowhere near as fast as many (most?) other classes. Our main tool, Broil II, uses a lot of MP when spammed & the restore tools we have can't always keep up in order to get a good chain flowing. It's possible, but not player friendly like other jobs.

There's no incentive to help players of a lower level than you. Let's say someone has a very demanding job and won't get time to play until this weekend, when they'll start at level 1. They'll be left out of the content and give up before they ever even get started.

So Eureka was just Diadem all along in a new coat of paint? The constructive feedback would be to not waste time on content like this next time. You don’t promise something for a year and make it this tedious and downright boring. There’s no fun in this.

Armor should be i360. I don't understand why they chose 350, because 5 materia slots or not it's still inferior to 360-370 pieces.

360 is the perfect sweet spot. It gives non-raiders more options to customise their gear than just whatever the currently relevant tomestone gear is. It gives raiders potentially something to consider on the road to 370 (Bard springs to mind, the mendacity chest has awful stats). It's not irrelevant to the time of its much-delayed release.

I played Eureka for about an hr. OK gains and the instance died out within a 20 mins and was until I left passing the hr mark.


And as I have read the feedback posts and threads here and reddit. It's not as bad as I was made to think before playing due to adulting but it is quite limited nonetheless.


What it does right:

+ Being a cross-server field is great.
+ Progression can be done solo.
+ You can escape monsters so long as you can outlast the damage.
+ The field map is great so far.


What it does wrong:

- Being an instance because it's (apparently) the only way they can achieve cross server functionality.
- While things can be solo'd, your best bet at progress is with a party.
- NM conditions assume much more than what the life of the instance will grant (and Yoshi will then nix it or something)


What can be done to improve: (I go into armchair developer mode now >.>)


+ Make parties the default option, regardless of how you queue.
+ Add an option to give a 4 digit code to people to join your party/instance.
+ Find a way to always ensure the ideal number of people are within one instance.
+ Make NMs achievable even on the minimum of 24 people, both being spawned and kill-able. Scale things like you do with fates but please learn to SCALE DOWN, not up. if 100 kills are needed on ideal conditions, make sure 1/7th of that is required if the instance has 24(+/-) people.
+ Encourage to explore the field, not gate it behind imposed restrictions.
+ Add special maps like the Alexandrite stage of ARR for increased yields.
- Remove the EXP penalty and De-leveling. Nobody wants this.
- Remove fluff drops. People are tired of those from POTD. Make tokens instead to be traded at an NPC for the same rewards you want to keep at low RNG. Let us know that we can get what we want, one way or another.

After spending a good upwards of 8-9 hours in Diadem, I have quite a few suggestions to make this horrible mistake better.

1. Variety. Add daily quests, a mark board for your level (make pockets of low level monsters on the other side of the island to encourage exploration), town defense, anything. People say you have to kill stuff 5-6+ levels higher than yourself for it to really get exciting, but as someone who did exactly that for 4 hours, it is the same as killing stuff on your own damn level. It's really f-ing boring.

2. Remove the penalty for people hitting your mobs. It's extremely annoying when people run past you and hit it once, knowing full well what it does. At first, my group just went as deep into the island as we could to avoid people like that, but now as people are figuring out what mobs spawn what NM, they are filtering in.

3. Let me summon my chocobo. This place would be amazing exp for it.

4. Let me switch class outside of town.

5. Likewise, give us unlimited mana board switches. All the limit really does (along with class swapping), is force you to return and waste your time running back to exactly where you were. It's a time waster. Nothing more and nothing less.

6. Add PF in there. Good god, is it annoying finding a group. It's either you keep getting invited by lvl 1s despite you writing 6+ on your lfg or radio silence for the most part. What I have been having to do is instance hop looking for an instance that actually has a group my level that are doing bears.

7. Just let me mount. Is the reasoning behind not letting people mount to slow their exploration? Well good job on that because you can just unlock the whole map in 10 minutes anyways. Not being able to mount serves as a time waster when you are running to and from town swapping classes or refilling the element wheel.

8. Remove death penalty. 1-5 was all well and good. I actually did not mind running around and exploring during then. BUT DON'T YOU DARE DO ANYTHING after lvl 6 or you will lose massive amounts of exp. Seriously tempted now to sit in town and do nothing until NMs spawn because that death penalty is so massive.

tl;dr there is no way around it - Eureka is really boring and the only reason people are doing it is because of the carrot on the stick that is the lockboxes.
If this is what FXI was like, thank god I never played it because holy hell. What a killjoy.

After spending about 4-5 hrs in Eureka last night with fc and friends I've come to realize that this content could have a lot of potential if it was more than just a grind-chain, run to NM and repeat.

I love the idea of starting fresh from lv1 but the grind for the 1-3 isnt really worth it if you just wait for NMs to appear and get all your exp from that. And since players know how to spawn NMs the wait in between isn't that long.
I think Eureka would be better if players could also gain unique gear (not a reused asset) that you can use in Eureka, kind of like when you do the Songbird's fate your gear changes. You should be able to upgrade this gear with each level by using the crystal drops. Perhaps even have it tailored to jobs and be dyeable.

//sorry for double post, word limit.

For the map, exploring it was fun with my friends but after seeing everything I could it was just rather dull. If they wanted to make exploring fresh a good idea would be like making the landscape ever changing. Making tunnels in the cave area that appears at certain times to where you can fight mobs that give special drops. Mobs upon killing can open up a dimensional rift like maps. Literally anything that encourages more exploration. Or even using the classic day = normal mobs, night = harder and more dangerous mobs with better rewards. Have the environment change elementals by making some mobs weaker or more aggressive.

Just anything more than grinding out levels. Also please let me trade the glam gear I got from lootboxes, I have way too many shirts I can easily give away to people that want them.

I would've loved if they just gave us different things to do. This whole zone dedicated to just fighting monsters and collecting crystals, they should've incorporated treasure hunts and gathering. Solo able activities that would've reaped their own types of rewards.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Scholar solo is a pain because we don't have the raw damage to kill fast enough. We can kill, without doubt, but nowhere near as fast as many (most?) other classes.

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Agreed, the healing only helps so much before mp starts to run dry.

We're probably the best at just running through mobs to get to stuff because it's pretty hard to kill us while moving if the fairy is out, one aetherflow is active, another one is ready to use, and dissipation isn't on cooldown. I can brute-force running lustrate across the entire map solo no problem.

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Put fates into Eureka, this may make it more involving.

And give it better rewards at the level of Savage content.

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It actually does have "FATEs", they're just so rare that you might not even see any. The notorious monsters *are* the FATEs, but they will only appear when they are spawned by player actions. Seems similar to S rank hunts, although I'd hope the spawn mechanics are less obscure and obtuse.

I'd imagine that many of them are only coded to spawn when various higher level enemies are killed, which is why many of them aren't appearing yet.

My wife and I have spent a total of 4 hours in Eureka. I am averaging 6 to 7 crystals an hour. She is averaging 4. At this rate it will be 4.5 before we can even attempt to max a weapon to 350.

The fastest way to change that would be to lower the amount of crystals needed to get the gear. instead of 100 make it 10. weapon to the +2 version would still cost 130 crystals which would be about 18-19 hours of work. That doesnt even bring it to the 350 version of the weapon.

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Originally Posted by TristanBlane

I would've loved if they just gave us different things to do. This whole zone dedicated to just fighting monsters and collecting crystals, they should've incorporated treasure hunts and gathering. Solo able activities that would've reaped their own types of rewards.

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I am all in on this as well as dailies or weekly's in there

As others have covered the major problem with Eureka isn't that you need x or y crystals or the drop rate is x y or z. It's that it's boring, couple that with the fact that the combat system itself isn't robust enough to make it engaging you end up with what we have.

I've made a post before in the exploratory section about how I would have liked Eureka to be. I won't rehash that, but below are my thoughts based more recently:

So I actually think the Magia wheel is a mistake. It's fake depth that really doesn't offer any engaging gameplay. I think the idea behind elemental affinity or level mattering is fine, but I think it should have just strictly been on the enemies and atmosphere and not some binary check.

I really envisioned an exploratory feel in Eureka that I don't seem to get in the current implementation. What I imagined the gameplay flow would be like zone in, weather is random (clear, raining, heatwave, thunderstorm, snow, etc.) and changes periodically throughout. Mobs are scattered all throughout (different mobs, different levels, and different elemental affinities). At this point you'd decide whether you wanted to do it solo or group up. Grouping up would allow you to tackle a treasure hunt styled map to find it and maybe a clue on where to go. So you explore the map, dodging high level enemies, clearing paths through appropriate level ones before finding the map location while dealing with whatever hazards the weather pattern presents. This then spawns the "hunt" monster with the specified element. The higher level the enemies spawned would be more dangerous, but just not as a numeric indicator, but by more aggressive AI, less telegraphs, etc. This fight would have a few minor mechanics and take a few mins to kill (not EX trial or Savage boss, but a few mins). A few examples below.

I.e. A high level Lightning Dragon that tail swipes with no telegraph that knocks back and stuns. If a player isX yalms away, the Dragon might decide to leap on them dealing massive damage and slowing nearby players hit and resetting aggro. Pulsing paralysis aura that makes it harder to move around and cast, but not impossible. Lightning Breath tank buster that has a paralysis that makes it so you can no longer be healed for x seconds or unable to act, and take increased damage. Tie this idea in with the weather. Lightning storms obviously buff lightning based enemies. Maybe the Dragon has access to the pulsing aura during a thunderstorm, but doesn't otherwise. Maybe have the thunderstorm reduce screen visibility (making aggroing errant mobs more likely) and have it spawn periodic thunderblasts (a la Ramuh EX, both randomly placed and on players). Then to supplement the higher risk, increase the reward during these time frames.

A similar dragon, but lower level might not have the tank buster, or might have telegraphs instead of animation tells or lack the aura, etc.

For instance compare the Lightning Dragon above to say an Ice Dragon. He could have a passive stacking damage aura that deals a fair amount of damage per stack. The Ice Dragons tank buster might freeze you, and you need to be broken out before you die to the DoT effect. Simultaneously people can use the frozen tank to hide behind and reset their stacks.

Make the elements actually matter and change your gameplay and strategies. Increase the reward for challenging harder enemies during weather that boosts their effects. This way, if lower skilled players want to just sit in a corner grinding mobs, but my friends and I want to hunt actually challenging monsters with real effects and dangers but for higher reward let us. Make these mobs not on scripted attack timers. Since they're not 8 minute boss fights, but likely like a 3-4 minute engagement give them random free reign with like percentiles and trigger conditions, etc.

- Cut the XP required in half.
- Cut the crystals required in half.
- Let the FATEs spawn faster or be actually timed.
- Let us change jobs wherever when out of combat.
- Reduce the amount of players possible in the instance, NM monsters can disappear as it is now.
- If not, adjust the priority so NM are #1 and party is #2 then others mobs #3 and other players #4.
- Do NOT reset the chain after 30, why punish people who are doing good? Just set it as MAX when people reach 30.
- Give guaranteed crystals at 10, 20, 30 chain.
- Add a quest outside the instance that we can accept for completing a session of Eureka daily that provides tomes and possibly upgrade items OR at least additional crystals. The flaw here is people could afk and do nothing to get rewards, so maybe not, even if there was an auto kick afk timer people could avoid it.
- Add Eureka version of daily hunts that players could do solo if their group wasn't killing those particular mobs, then give a small amount of crystals for completing each. Can still have the 1,2,3 tiers.

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Originally Posted by zeth07

so maybe not, even if there was an auto kick afk timer people could avoid it.

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Can guarantee there is an auto kick AFK timer...had it happen to me after my group had disbanded when I had to go help with some real life things.

The quest would still be a good idea with conditions. Something like "Kill X enemy of Y element", even a weekly one that is "kill X NMs of Y element" - this one not so sure on since we are still learning the spawn conditions for the majority of the NMs, but it could still work if done right.

So I quite like Eureka (I wrote a rambling thread about it that people hijacked into talking about relic effects for some reason). But yeah, I would definitely like to see some changes:

1: While soloing is certainly possible on some jobs, it's not at all practical. I'd like to see rewards for targets below your level increased. Currently you get a completely trivial amount of exp from targets below your level and you can't chain them so the drop rate on protean crystals is also quite poor. This makes soloing pretty much non-viable. I'd like to see increased exp rewards for fighting targets below your own level so that a soloing player can at least catch up.

2: Why does the chain counter reset at 30? I understand not wanting drop rates to go completely bonkers (although that too may not be the worst thing in the world) but why not instead just cap the chain counter at 30 instead of resetting it? Let us get to chain 30 and then hold it there at that drop rate and exp bonus for however long we can.

3: Aetheryte attunements being restricted to level 9 or above. Why? Just because there's nothing up there for me at low levels, if I can Solid Snake my way to them, I should be able to attune to them. There's no reason to not let me do that.

4: Character model limits. I'm sure this has been addressed in this thread before, but while fighting an NM it's not at all uncommon for party members or the monster itself to simply disappear. This happens out in the normal game too and it's bad there as well. If there has to be a limit on the number of character models being displayed, then the BOSS should be the highest priority, followed by my party/alliance members. Everyone else can be whatever, but if I can't see my party or my target, that's a huge HUGE problem.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

2: Why does the chain counter reset at 30? I understand not wanting drop rates to go completely bonkers (although that too may not be the worst thing in the world) but why not instead just cap the chain counter at 30 instead of resetting it? Let us get to chain 30 and then hold it there at that drop rate and exp bonus for however long we can.

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Could change it so that it still goes up, but the drop chance caps out at 30, and EXP bonus keeps going up(let's face it...the EXP varies a LOT when in a party, some kills gave me 40 exp, some gave less, some gave more...all from the same mob)

please.. reduce the max players per instance.

Having the NM despawn because EVERYONE is there and the game won't load them is stupid.

*wrong post*

Here are my thoughts on Eureka

Positives and Things that are Okay
+I like that you can play it as any level 70 job and get the gear from any of them versus having to just sticking with the same job for the whole grind.
=NMs. They're alright. They're the standard FATE boss or S Rank hunt monster.
=The Elemental Wheel. It's a good start.

Suggestions
-The grind is monotonous. You're only killing regular monsters and/or waiting for/trying to force an NM to spawn. It can get boring pretty fast, even with friends. I would suggest adding both daily and weekly objectives to break up the monotony. One of the things like likes about Diadem versus PotD is that it had objectives that made you travel through out the map.
-Allow players to bring their chocobos. This would help those who are soloing.
-Please remove the fireworks from the Lockboxes and replace them with better prizes. You could even give people consumable items that would be useful in Eureka like potions, status ailment cures, and Phoenix Downs, just don't get too heavy handed with them.
-The gear upgrades just don't feel rewarding enough even for the people who don't do savage. At this point, if a player has been doing their weekly tome grind, they should have amassed enough tomes to buy their shirt, their pants, and 10 Rowena seals to go towards their weapon, most of which are all better then the +2 gear. Maybe the Augmented +2 gear is better but it looks like we can't see them until we can trade in for them. I know you guys want it to be Savage gear > Tomes = Eureka but why bother doing this monotonous grind when tomes have a guaranteed chance of dropping and can be planned out.
-In the future, when people say they want the game to be like XI or another older MMORPG, realize that they mean they want more mechanical depth in fights and jobs, rewards that last longer then 1 or 2 patches, and content that is still meaningful past its expansion (looking at you Alexander), not monotonous grinds. >x>()

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

-In the future, when people say they want the game to be like XI or another older MMORPG, realize that they mean they want more mechanical depth in fights and jobs, rewards that last longer then 1 or 2 patches, and content that is still meaningful past its expansion (looking at you Alexander), not monotonous grinds. >x>()

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On this point in particular: don't speak for people.

"When people say X they mean Y" is disrespectful to the original speakers whom you haven't been elected to represent. I've now seen "When people say they want the game to be more like XI they mean..." conclude with a half dozen different things that apparently "people mean." Just don't speak for other people. Offer your own opinions and feedback and don't try to speak for others.

"Eureka" Phoenix Feathers that work the same as they usually do in solo content - autoraise. Put a cooldown of 180 minutes on them so that they can't be abused but do serve as a single chance per Eureka run (of 180 minutes) for a solo player to survive a knockout without the severe exp loss. It's all well & good relying on a friendly player to raise you but we all know that things happen.

Loot. Visually unique, level diverse, useful, desirable loot. Make NMs drop it, along with spawn items for bigger NMs, with better loot, mounts, and minions.
Give us people who won't fall for the relic grind trap a reason to bother with Eureka. I would gladly live there if I could farm all sorts of gear for my main and alt jobs at all levels.

Also, why do you need to be level 70 to unlock it if it has its own leveling system? Just let all players be able to access it. This would go nicely with the loot suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

"Eureka" Phoenix Feathers that work the same as they usually do in solo content - autoraise. Put a cooldown of 180 minutes on them so that they can't be abused but do serve as a single chance per Eureka run (of 180 minutes) for a solo player to survive a knockout without the severe exp loss. It's all well & good relying on a friendly player to raise you but we all know that things happen.

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Was discussing this with a friend, but actually called them scrolls of reraise, anyway ye this would be a great addition especially since they should've used the pomander effects to make them. (Though I wonder if that was the initial intention and then the ungarmax problem has shown a defect in their system and they are scared of what would happen if ppl could be able to use them outside)

@recruiter I agree, the rewards outside relics are underwhelming getting some sidegrades from the zone would've been a good idea diadem at least had that

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Originally Posted by Callinon

On this point in particular: don't speak for people.

"When people say X they mean Y" is disrespectful to the original speakers whom you haven't been elected to represent. I've now seen "When people say they want the game to be more like XI they mean..." conclude with a half dozen different things that apparently "people mean." Just don't speak for other people. Offer your own opinions and feedback and don't try to speak for others.

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I don't know that anyone was asking for the FFXI exp party experience. AKA the Valkurm Dunes. AKA Diadem 1.0.

While there was a lot of things thrown out, when people think FFXI, they were thinking its endgame structure for the most part. XI was only this braindead when it came to exping, and even then it wasn't this bad.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4612918

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Originally Posted by Callinon

On this point in particular: don't speak for people.

"When people say X they mean Y" is disrespectful to the original speakers whom you haven't been elected to represent. I've now seen "When people say they want the game to be more like XI they mean..." conclude with a half dozen different things that apparently "people mean." Just don't speak for other people. Offer your own opinions and feedback and don't try to speak for others.

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In my opinion, people could just play XI if they want XI.

But I dunno what I'm talking about since I've been told by the XI community my opinion doesn't matter.

The Elemental Wheel looked like a good thing on the paper, being an Eureka unique feature, but its use is kinda poor.
Everyone just change the element based on the mob you're gonna chain and that's pretty much all (except the tank).

I don't know, I thought taking advantage on the ennemy's weakness would have grant us something else.
Chain damage multipler? Or even specific side effect from each element (water grants hot to its user, wind add dots to every attack...)
With an additionnal effect to element, if could be more interesting to change element once in combat to get some other profit. It could actually make Eureka encountersmore unique...

I really like them trying to implement this but they have to go further with this.

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The Elemental Wheel looked like a good thing on the paper, being an Eureka unique feature, but its use is kinda poor.
Everyone just change the element based on the mob you're gonna chain and that's pretty much all (except the tank).

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It's really simplistic right now presumably because it's new.

I would hope that as we progress, they will start to get a little more clever with it. I am imagining mobs that can change their element mid battle, or maybe do so in combination with slowly unleashing a big attack (possibly killing people who don't bother to adjust their boards)

We're not seeing anything like that yet though because at the low levels we don't have enough points on the board anyway to be able to design important survival mechanics around it, plus it would be too much of a turn off to those new to the mechanic (and honestly, Eureka has enough problems along those lines as it is right now. Obviously, anything clever they eventually do with it would be rendered moot if nobody even plays the content up until that point :p)

The portals spawned by the NM numbers have different elemental properties than him of note (post 50%) Numbers is thunder element and he spawns a wind elemental portal and then a Ice one later in the fight