My Opinion of the Little Ladies Day Event

Women have more clothing options in game has you riled up? Nobody let the OP near any shopping center.... any mall has like 10x the amount of women's clothing stores compared to men... males have suits, jeans, t shirts, shorts and boots and shoes... that's not even the actual armor sets... what is OP wanting clothing wise? As for the event, it's a 2 week event once a year... there's a whole "Gentlemen's" side questline that's permanent....

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Originally Posted by Sesera

You can do even better with the emperor's set. :')

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I dunno, there's something about being covered strategically that makes it better than just running around in undies.


At least for me. lol >>;

The real disappointment with this event is I don't get that adorable artwork for my wall.

Dresses? Since when are robes dresses? If you want to get technical a dress is a dress no matter what you call it, just like how kilts are still skirts. And for the record long flowing open bottom clothes have been a gender neutral article of clothing since ages past. There was a time when pants didn't exist. When it comes down to it no one is born wearing clothing, so there's no such thing as male of female clothing as long as the fit is right. Humans just like to give things a gender label that don't have a gender. In today's world pink is thought of as a feminine color, while blue masculine, yet many decades in the past it was the opposite. So which is right? Neither. Colors are just different wave lengths of light being processed by our eyes. Also, FFXIV is a fantasy game. Comparing Haedalyn's customs to real life social constructs of your real life culture don't make sense. Masculine in one culture or time period can be different than masculine in another, just like masculine in one real life culture can differ from another real life culture, even in same time period. The biggest problem you face is being unable to free your mind from the way you've been conditioned by your real life culture. I'm not saying you have to like dresses, but I am saying not for the reason you're giving.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

There’s no such thing as reverse sexism. To say otherwise would mean Sexism is exclusive to women.

Edit: isn’t this event supposed to be loosely related to Hinamatsuri, which is a Japanese holiday that plays out an event in their history through dolls? Maybe I’m putting two unrelated things together, but I’m at work so I can’t do any cross referencing.

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Thats sexist what you said.

I love thread like this; absolutely pointless. Especially when the troll just disappears 1/3 way in to it lol. Good job sir. However I think this game needs more glamour for cleavage, from what I've seen it's design is quite withdrawn compared to some character models/design out there. I want Tifa's boobs on my monk damnit!

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Have you seen Kain without his helm?

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Too many masculine features to count as "looking" female, you'd have an argument for his hair but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Also i know i'm not the only one who thought the white mage from the 1st one was a chick until SE many years later came out and said all of the characters in the first one were guys.

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Those were... pixels. Plus, White Mage is a pretty effeminate job, have you seen the AF2 from Heavensward? Even the AF3 is pretty feminine.

Fact of the matter is, the male protagonists have a lot of male features in their face/silhouette. The only one who would you could have an argument for, again, is Cecil due to how he is the only protagonist with makeup prominently featured on him.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Welcome to 2018 where men are irrelevant.

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Where gender is irrelevant and men are a myth.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Thats sexist what you said.

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Please explain how making a true statement is sexist.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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Yeah, that's definitely a guy. He's very pretty and he's got lovely hair, but if you're looking at that face and thinking 'female', you might need glasses.

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Originally Posted by Usho

... another way for SE (who obviously prefers females) to shower them with MORE praise...

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"Little Ladies Day" must focus on guys. Ho yes, it makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Usho

It's about how SE gives men the shaft in favor of women for the majority of their games (including this one.) They favor females cause for them cleavage sells their games. They have done NOTHING for men. They forget that guys also play their game too. We aren't seen as equal in their eyes. It's been apparent since FFX.

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I don’t really have one for the thread so I’ll give my opinion on the event itself. No new outfits. New furniture (I don’t really care about housing). Odd emotes. I guess the emotes will be fun to use for a while.
Good event!

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

"Little Ladies Day" must focus on guys. Ho yes, it makes sense.

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They tried to make a "Big Dudes Day" but it went in an unintended direction.

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Originally Posted by illgot

They tried to make a "Big Dudes Day" but it went in an unintended direction.

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What event was this? o.O

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I dunno, there's something about being covered strategically that makes it better than just running around in undies.


At least for me. lol >>;

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Oh but don't get me wrong I totally agree with that.
For exemple when I see a miqote with a skirt I have fun trying to take a look meanwhile seeing said Miqo in undies isn't that fun since there is nothing left for imagination and curiosity.
But when it comes to not cover anything Emperor's set is the best.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

"Little Ladies Day" must focus on guys. Ho yes, it makes sense.

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Well to be fair there is only one little lady in here. I won't call Miqo'te and Au Ra little.

*heads toward the door*

To be fair, Little Ladies do save the world a lot. It's only right to represent.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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Yet in official art work for the FF1 whm they're a dude. My point is that many of the men in the other FF titles tend to have a softer features than say Auron from X. Even Cloud can look good enough with the best options you can get him to get picked instead of two actual women. I'm not saying they would be really good looking women if you dressed them up but compaired to Gaulf, IV's Cid, Tellah, Yang, Fusoya, Cyan, Sabin, Strego, VII's Cid, Barret, Stiner, Amerant, Wakka, Auron, Sazh, Snow, Balthier, Bach, and Gladios the rest of FF's men have softer features for various reasons and to a lot of people softer features means more effeminate. Heck until one scene in V everyone thought a certain Pirate was a guy.

I'm going to be concise about this. The "Little Ladies Day" event is the wrong event to use IMO to symbolise this. Bear in mind we got the Royal Senseschal's set from a LLD event (which I daresay looks better than the female Songbird set). Now, IS there a problem regarding glamour gender equality? Yes, there is. But LLD is one of the few times in which FFXIV consistently gets it right. Events in general seem to get it right (since HW at least, it's possible it started before then too). It's the non-event/gold saucer glamour where things often take a turn for the worse (bunny set, HW thavnairian set, spring set, etc). Focus your ire at those instead. Besides, since we're bringing RL politics into this (which we shouldn't, but it's been beaten to the punch), the reason we have days for women/BME is because we're fighting for THEIR rights because of how often they're marginalised. So that argument falls down too IMO.

Disclosure: I'm a male playing a male character.

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Originally Posted by Felis

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FFXIV has Little Ladies' Day

FFXV has Sausage Fest everyday

It does seem a little odd to me with LLD being the FFXIV representation of Girls Day on March 3rd that they don't have a representation for Boys' Day on May 5th. Although Boys' Day has been renamed to Children's Day so there is no boys only holiday that I am aware of anymore. If they were to implement it a great item would be a flag pole and carp to fly from them. It would also allow a means to provide male only glamour as LLD does for female glamour.

My whole issue with this thread is the whole "if women have it, men should have one too". The glamour stuff, I agree with. But events and real life equivalents, I don't agree with in the slightest. This SJW crusade is in very bad taste. Like I said before, this goes doubly so with today's environment when you have the #MeToo movement going on.

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Originally Posted by addz3

I love thread like this; absolutely pointless. Especially when the troll just disappears 1/3 way in to it lol. Good job sir. However I think this game needs more glamour for cleavage, from what I've seen it's design is quite withdrawn compared to some character models/design out there. I want Tifa's boobs on my monk damnit!

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You must be blind because I have been posting. Do you need my glasses ma'am? I have a spare on my retainers. Calling me a troll because I have a opinion on something? K. Good to know what I'm. *eye roll* You love boobs that much? Make a female character and stare at her. SE will grant your wish (for obvious reasons I've already stated). GG

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Originally Posted by Usho

You love boobs that much? Make a female character and stare at her. SE will grant your wish (for obvious reasons I've already stated). GG

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I mean. Their avatar on the forums is female, so...

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

It does seem a little odd to me with LLD being the FFXIV representation of Girls Day on March 3rd that they don't have a representation for Boys' Day on May 5th. Although Boys' Day has been renamed to Children's Day so there is no boys only holiday that I am aware of anymore. If they were to implement it a great item would be a flag pole and carp to fly from them. It would also allow a means to provide male only glamour as LLD does for female glamour.

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Erm? Why get rid of boys day?

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Originally Posted by ToasterMan

Erm? Why get rid of boys day?

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I don't know. I'm of European decent but have a traditional set of flying carp and stream from my time as a kid in Okinawa. My sister has a set of dolls as well for Girl's Day (or Doll's day). However this being a game there is no reason that SE couldn't add a Boys' day.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

It would also allow a means to provide male only glamour as LLD does for female glamour.

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LLD does not provide female only glamour.
Each item we got from that event has either been unisex (or well, at least both genders could wear those items) or we got one female and one male set - and according to this thread a lot of people happen to like the male glamour set we got last year.
You can still argue that with all the cherryblossoms and the whole cute-theme it caters more to girls than boys, but you cant deny the fact that we are getting equal treatment here (and if only in numbers).

(Honestly - may would seem like a good months to have an event in though! I always feel like Valentines Day - Little Ladies Day - Eastern are feeling a bit "cramped", event-wise while there is this gap in May that they tried to fill with the GC "Make it Rain!" event the last two years)

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

My whole issue with this thread is the whole "if women have it, men should have one too".

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Isn't that the point of equality, though? Everyone gets the same treatment? That should be a no-brainer whether were talking about a game or real life.

And you seem to be another person forgetting that character gender does not equal real life gender; the metoo movement isn't really relevant to this discussion, since we're talking about female avatars, who are often played by male players (and are ultimtely designed with male players in mind even when a female player is the one playing that character.)

Some of these things I'm reading are highly cringe worthy.

Previous person near beginning of thread is CORRECT that it is based off of a holiday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinamatsuri
Hinamatsuri (雛祭り Hina-matsuri), also called Doll's Day or Girls' Day, is a special day in Japan.[1] Celebrated each year on March 3,[2] platforms covered with a red carpet-material are used to display a set of ornamental dolls (雛人形 hina-ningyō) representing the Emperor, Empress, attendants, and musicians in traditional court dress of the Heian period.[3]

PLEASE READ and move on folks.

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Originally Posted by Klareh

Some of these things I'm reading are highly cringe worthy.

Previous person near beginning of thread is CORRECT that it is based off of a holiday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinamatsuri
Hinamatsuri (雛祭り Hina-matsuri), also called Doll's Day or Girls' Day, is a special day in Japan.[1] Celebrated each year on March 3,[2] platforms covered with a red carpet-material are used to display a set of ornamental dolls (雛人形 hina-ningyō) representing the Emperor, Empress, attendants, and musicians in traditional court dress of the Heian period.[3]

PLEASE READ and move on folks.

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Then why did they take the dolls out of the event?

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Then why did they take the dolls out of the event?

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Looks like they're adding something:
"This year’s the prizes will include a Far Eastern Doll Display furniture piece, a Siren Song orchestrion roll, and three emotes using light sticks so you can pretend you really are at a Japanese pop concert."

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Isn't that the point of equality, though? Everyone gets the same treatment? That should be a no-brainer whether were talking about a game or real life.

And you seem to be another person forgetting that character gender does not equal real life gender; the metoo movement isn't really relevant to this discussion, since we're talking about female avatars, who are often played by male players (and are ultimtely designed with male players in mind even when a female player is the one playing that character.)

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Except that the OP has stated before that men are being marginalized...there's no evidence of that happening in-game (especially given that the representative for our characters in FFXIV is the male Hyur Highlander in the 3 CGs that we have thus far), so yeah, that would naturally leave one to assume that they are bringing in real-world talk into this thread, and thus, yes, it is very relevant to what they are saying. I am more than aware that character gender does not equal real life gender. Don't even get me started on the idea that if 'Little Ladies Day is for females, then men should have something as well'.

No.

Why? Why would there need to be a male equivalent of LIttle Ladies Day. The thought is disturbing on many levels.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Why? Why would there need to be a male equivalent of LIttle Ladies Day. The thought is disturbing on many levels.

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Why is it "disturbing on so many levels"? That's a bit overdramatic.

Be careful what you wish for, boys, lest you end up with an event with lots of sweat and muscles and guys who show off their sweaty muscles to guys who appreciate other guys' sweaty muscles... Not that there's anything wrong with that... I mean hey... open mind here. Whatever floats your boat full of big sweaty muscle men.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Why? Why would there need to be a male equivalent of LIttle Ladies Day. The thought is disturbing on many levels.

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Disturbing because you think "Little Boys Day" and your mind goes to the gutter, men dressing up in dresses, or their own male celebration day?

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May 5 (national holiday)
Children's Day (kodomo no hi):
Also called boy's festival. More information is available on the Golden Week page.
- May 5
Children's Day (Kodomo no hi):
The Boy's Festival (Tango no Sekku) is celebrated on this day. Families pray for the health and future success of their sons by hanging up carp streamers and displaying samurai dolls, both symbolizing strength, power and success in life. The Girl's Festival is celebrated on March 3.

Well whaddya know. Now have/will they add it ingame is another question.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Why is it "disturbing on so many levels"? That's a bit overdramatic.

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Perhaps, but my point is made. Why do male avatars need an equivalent of this? Seriously, why?

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Originally Posted by Klareh

Disturbing because you think "Little Boys Day" and your mind goes to the gutter, men dressing up in dresses, or their own male celebration day?

ALSO:
May 5 (national holiday)
Children's Day (kodomo no hi):
Also called boy's festival. More information is available on the Golden Week page.
- May 5
Children's Day (Kodomo no hi):
The Boy's Festival (Tango no Sekku) is celebrated on this day. Families pray for the health and future success of their sons by hanging up carp streamers and displaying samurai dolls, both symbolizing strength, power and success in life. The Girl's Festival is celebrated on March 3.

Well whaddya know. Now have/will they add it ingame is another question.

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My mind actually didn't go to the gutter, thank you very much. Before you make an assumption about where my mind indeed goes, maybe you should actually ask me what I think a 'Little Boys' Day' would mean in-game. I personally don't think there needs to be a male celebration day, because why? What for? What is typically considered a 'masculine-centric event'? Something related to muscles, tuxedoes, speedos, combat...things of that nature, yes?

Yes, I saw what you quoted there, but how exactly would any of that translate into in-game events? Perhaps, just to keep things from being taken out of context, our avatars encourage NPC boys and celebrating in the manner that some of your descriptions have (the children that came with Yugiri in the 2.x series would be perfect for something like this), but it definitely shouldn't be called 'Little Boys Day'.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Be careful what you wish for, boys, lest you end up with an event with lots of sweat and muscles and guys who show off their sweaty muscles to guys who appreciate other guys' sweaty muscles... Not that there's anything wrong with that... I mean hey... open mind here. Whatever floats your boat full of big sweaty muscle men.

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As funny as that would've been to see, SE is removing side quest to make Cloud as a cute crossdresser from the remake so they would never add a Little Boy's Day.

PS, I ain't buying that game cuz one, I hate VII and two, them splitting it up is pure bs.

Am wondering... why do we need a male equivalent? I'm all for equality and shit but not everything has to be 1 for 1, especially not in a video game.

What exactly would the male equivalent look like? Would it literally be the same thing but just gender swapped? What would be the point of that? It'd be boring and repetitive.

And as for males get shafted regarding clothes and hair? A lot of things I've played have this same issue.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

As funny as that would've been to see, SE is removing side quest to make Cloud as a cute crossdresser from the remake so they would never add a Little Boy's Day.

PS, I ain't buying that game cuz one, I hate VII and two, them splitting it up is pure bs.

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Wait I haven't playing VII for quite a time but I'm pretty sure this is not a side quest and you needed to do it in order to progress the story.

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Originally Posted by Usho

I'm done and I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Usho

You must be blind because I have been posting. Do you need my glasses ma'am? I have a spare on my retainers. Calling me a troll because I have a opinion on something? K. Good to know what I'm. *eye roll* You love boobs that much? Make a female character and stare at her. SE will grant your wish (for obvious reasons I've already stated). GG

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I am legitimately confused about why this is a thread. I've read the whole thing, I consider myself a pretty reasonable person, but I just don't get it.

Men and women are different. That's just a fact of life. Not everything has to be a perfect 1 and 1 - my boyfriend opens more doors for me than I do for him, I cook more meals for him. Do we have to even these things out or be guilty of sexism? Is it sexist that he gets me more presents for Valentines Day? Or that he's the one buying the engagement ring? No, it isnt.

As it's been said the SJW angle is tired - chill.