Request: Hempen Garb - Racial Unlock

I think I've posted in this before but I'm still anti-unlock.
If you give everyone everything, creativity dies.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I think I've posted in this before but I'm still anti-unlock.
If you give everyone everything, creativity dies.

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How does creativity die giving more people the options?
If anything it adds to it

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Originally Posted by Duskane

How does creativity die giving more people the options?

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It doesn't. It's a completely illogical statement.

By definition, having more options allows for increased creative freedom. Restricting choice only inhibits creativity.

In this sense, it's a matter of fact. Arguments against unlocking the racial clothing shouldn't use illogical structure if they want to be persuasive ones.

Friendly reminder that this and this exist. The devs themselves seem to have no qualms about unlocking the hempens sets when it suits them, so that also kills any lore related arguments, at least regarding these sets.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Friendly reminder that this and this exist. The devs themselves seem to have no qualms about unlocking the hempens sets when it suits them, so that also kills any lore related arguments, at least regarding these sets.

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There's still somewhat of a lore-related argument: they are Garlean, who seem to be halfway between Hyur and Elezen to begin with - characters might have either race's basic model, and interestingly, both the guy in the second picture and at least one of the other performers on the Prima Vista have what are otherwise Duskwight-specific eye tattoos.

Also it tells us that they've modeled that one style of gear to fit Midlanders, which is a different level of undertaking to making all of the sets for all of the races.


(I'm not saying they shouldn't be unlocked, just that this is not so definitely breaking the lore-rules! Or it is, but sitting on an already blurrier line than there is between most of the other races.)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(I'm not saying they shouldn't be unlocked, just that this is not so definitely breaking the lore-rules! Or it is, but sitting on an already blurrier line than there is between most of the other races.)

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You're using character models to support lore justification which doesn't really work. Also, aren't Duskwights an Eorzean race? In which case them being Garleans means very little on a lore-front.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Also, aren't Duskwights an Eorzean race? In which case them being Garleans means very little on a lore-front.

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That's the strange thing! Why are Garleans using a distinctly Eorzean-Elezen pattern? Is it deliberate? Is it just being recycled as "a decoration" and not meant to relate to Duskwights at all?



Also there does seem to be a "Duskwight" race in Ilsabard - there's Shadowhunter's Elezen companion, and a number of people at the camp they visited at the end of 4.4, including the woman focused on.

I expect they're not actually culturally Duskwights, in the same way Far Eastern Hyur "aren't Midlanders", but they're certainly using Duskwight models.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's the strange thing! Why are Garleans using a distinctly Eorzean-Elezen pattern? Is it deliberate? Is it just being recycled as "a decoration" and not meant to relate to Duskwights at all?

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It's almost like it's just undergarment with no true cultural worth and are race-locked for arbitrary reasons!

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I expect they're not actually culturally Duskwights, in the same way Far Eastern Hyur "aren't Midlanders", but they're certainly using Duskwight models.

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I should expect it's something along those lines, but like you said, that really butchers any cultural, lore justification to keep it locked. Because people without any obvious ties to aforementioned culture are using those designs.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

It's almost like it's just undergarment with no true cultural worth and are race-locked for arbitrary reasons!

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Fair points on everything else, but I was talking about the tattoos here. Why are they being used by Garleans and are we supposed to read anything into it, or was it just a meaningless decoration they reused because it was "ready to go" instead of making a new design?

(But then again, half the Xaela tribes are wearing Ala Mhigan or Thavnairian gear, so it seems the costumes represent whatever context they've been placed into, rather than being held fast to their original design intent...)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(But then again, half the Xaela tribes are wearing Ala Mhigan or Thavnairian gear, so it seems the costumes represent whatever context they've been placed into, rather than being held fast to their original design intent...)

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In the case of the Ivalice NPCs they're also actors and that can factor in too. But it's most likely what you said. Still, the fact remains these models were the ones used, while we very rarely (or at all) see the starting sets, which are the ones with the stronger lore argument

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I really hate this idea. However, if it's so important to give Female Highlander gear to cat girls...

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Wow! This isn't just about giving skimpy gear to cat-girls! The point you are missing is that some of us would like the option to cover up! For example, the female elezen set is elegant, simple and covers a lot more skin than the Roe top, I'd love to be able to wear that, and some of the other camises, rather than stay locked to a single, shiny leather halter.
More choice is good for everyone. Not every female Highlander is going to want to show a lot of skin, some elezens might like to show more. Where's the harm?

I guess the Elezen underwear looks a lot more "dancer-y" than the Hyur gear! And they could also be working with the expectation that someday they might get told to remodel all the sets to fit everyone, and now they've got a head-start on it!


Though, having an Elezen alt, I just wish he could actually wear those pretty sleeves under something. It's not how the game works, of course, but it would be nice.

Hmm, maybe they could unlock the basic hempen gear, and introduce some more "culture-inspired" race-specific gear that incorporates those designs instead? Though I assume they're edging away from having more race-locked things, seeing as they never gave us anything since these very old ones.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Though I assume they're edging away from having more race-locked things, seeing as they never gave us anything since these very old ones.[/size]

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A big part of that is likely them trying to avoid situations like this very thread. And a part of it is, I like to think at least, the fact that 'racial inspiration' is a lie. Look at Hancock - he's from Ul'dah (I think?), lives in Kugane, but is Midlander. What 'culture' should he follow? And speaking of Midlanders, they're all over the place. Heck, Xaela - depending on what tribe your Xaela's from, your starting set should've been drastically different - but it's not! Furthermore, Raen and Xaela both have the same starting sets! And Midlanders and Highlanders too for that matter, and every other sub-clan. Which doesn't make sense when you think of some of their differences.

Doesn't look like the starting sets have too strong a lore justification either, if you stop to think about it...

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Look at Hancock - he's from Ul'dah (I think?), lives in Kugane, but is Midlander. What 'culture' should he follow?

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Technically, according to the lore team (rather than the game programming) the Hyurans in Kugane are "not" Midlanders. They are Far Eastern Hyur.

Hancock is an Ul'dahn Midlander living in Kugane for business, who has chosen to wear local dress instead of his own.

And I do agree, the "racial" styles aren't very well-defined, for how strictly they are enforced! I'm fine with unlocking them, myself.

The sad thing is most of the male hempen tops look about the same. Go and do the time of my life gate where most of the races are wearing the complete set or parts of it. I'm still for unlocking and hopefully next time this gets asked it gets translated better.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The sad thing is most of the male hempen tops look about the same. Go and do the time of my life gate where most of the races are wearing the complete set or parts of it.

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Actually, while most of the female dancers are each wearing their version of the hempen top, the males (except the Au Ra for some reason) are all wearing the same Black Summer Top that you can buy in Mor Dhona. (Female Lalafell and Au Ra are also wearing the Black Summer Halter, presumably since their hempen tops are more 'cute frilly' styles and not the right look for the dancers.)


Male Midlanders have a normal tank top; Highlanders have the 'straps' that Ala Mhigan NPCs are often wearing; Elezen have the "sleeves without a shirt" as in the screenshots Billy posted earlier; I think Roegadyn and Miqo'te have crop tops; Au Ra have a one-shouldered drapey thing. Not sure about Lalafell.


Also none of the dancers are wearing the "complete set" of hempen gear - they are all wearing either Sailor Brais or sarouels, and not the pants that match the hempen tops.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Male Midlanders have a normal tank top; Highlanders have the 'straps' that Ala Mhigan NPCs are often wearing; Elezen have the "sleeves without a shirt" as in the screenshots Billy posted earlier; I think Roegadyn and Miqo'te have crop tops; Au Ra have a one-shouldered drapey thing. Not sure about Lalafell.

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Male Miqo'te have a shirt that is almost more strap than cloth. It looks a bit ridiculous from behind- would love to have more options for simple chestpieces.

https://i.imgur.com/CX4yLuz.png

https://i.imgur.com/GruZVfU.png

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Male Miqo'te have a shirt that is almost more strap than cloth. It looks a bit ridiculous from behind- would love to have more options for simple chestpieces.

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That looks.... impractical. And fiddly to put on.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That looks.... impractical. And fiddly to put on.

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Straps Enix

I would like to see these be unlocked. The au ra hempen top is very cute.

How is that underwear? Since all of hempen parts in question used to be underwear. Now I'm scared to know what the Viera versions will look like q.q

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Originally Posted by Alacran

... give Female Highlander gear to cat girls...

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Strike that, reverse it. A lot of people want Miqo'te and Midlander styles on other race. There is nothing that I've seen that indicates any cultural significance for the hempen, nor the starter sets. People can choose what to wear in real life. There is very little in the way of distinct cultures divided on racial lines in the game.

Yes, please fix this. I would kill for the highlander version on my Miqo'te. I absolutely cannot stand the version my race gets.

I guess since we’re bumping this thread again.






I want an actual tank top.

+1 for this, i would really love to be able to use the version miqo'te ( female ) without having to be the race.

Gime that fem Au Ra hempen top for every damn race kthxbai

I don't know, while I don't want an abundance of racial gear in the game, I feel like the starter/hempen sets are fine as is. Plus given how long it took SE to get around to fitting the gold saucer bunny outfits to males, I feel that sharing the existing hempen sets all to 6 other races is probably a time sink they don't need.

If you want the male elezen shirtlessness with only lace sleeves look you're gonna have to play a male elezen!

Embrace the wonky animations! And the neck!

The viera hempen set is the same as mid lander...I was so dissapointed :(

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

The viera hempen set is the same as mid lander...I was so dissapointed :(

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Yeah I was super duper disappointed by this

I'd really love to see them add a new one to fit Viera, but also make all the others available to everyone else. I don't care if it's from MGP or something, I just want to be able to choose one of the other looks.

I agree there shouldn't be any restriction on style. I'm an American, cultural 'appropriation' IS my culture. We mix and match styles, foods, music, and clothing into unique beautiful creations. We should be able to do that here.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

The viera hempen set is the same as mid lander...I was so dissapointed :(

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Disappointing, but at the same time hopefully that means they're already planning to give them all to every race.

Was this thread forgotten? I saw somewhere that a dev replied to it years ago, saying that they were planning on implemnenting the racial unlock for the hempen garb, but never heard or saw anything about it since then. Are they ever going to unlock it for us? My Viera would look so great on the highlander one!!

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Originally Posted by octaqueiroz

Was this thread forgotten?

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There's another one on the same subject that popped up again more recently.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Disappointing, but at the same time hopefully that means they're already planning to give them all to every race.

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I think it's just about which existing character model they started from when creating the models for Viera and Hrothgar. Both genders of Viera have Midlander gear; Hrothgar has Roegadyn gear. They also share some emotes.

I was expecting male Viera to get Miqo'te gear, and in their first build from the benchmark they had the similarly odd posture that suggested they'd used Miqo'te as the base, but since they "fixed" the Viera posture I suspect they did that by starting over with a Midlander model. (A pity, as I think the Miqo'te top works with the look of their starter gear.)

I'd really like to see the various styles made available to everyone. Female characters have several nice tops that are useful for different outfit styles; male Midlanders have the plain tank top; other men's things are a bit more situational but still good to have freely available.

Do you have a link to the new thread ?

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Originally Posted by octaqueiroz

Do you have a link to the new thread ?

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...pen-set-styles

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No they should stay just the way they are. The different races should have unique clothes that identifies them by race. Want to wear their clothes make an alt.

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you mean the generic piece of undergarments that the Hempen sets are?

"If you give everyone everything, creativity dies!" Says the people playing a game where 99.99% of armor is wearable by all races.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

"If you give everyone everything, creativity dies!" Says the people playing a game where 99.99% of armor is wearable by all races.

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I really don't understand why some people bring this up... If more pieces are made available, there are more possibilities of mixing and matching, thus expanding the range of combination and what someone creativity can achieve. They state as if those sets were an one-piece or something that is not breakable in different items.

I believe what they probably mean isn't "creativity dies!" but "my exclusivity dies!" instead. However, this falls flat when the example in question, of the hempen sets, evokes nothing about a particular race. To the point that Viera and Hrothgar have copy-pasted from Hyur.

I'm fully in support of having the different hempen pieces available to all the races. I was highlander when I switched to viera, and I was using the hempen piece at the time so it was the first thing I noticed. The highlander hempen piece is a particular pain point for me because it's the only properly dyable piece of it's kind(style) anywhere including the store that doesn't have any extra crap attached to it. Out of the two bikini tops, the only dyable one has a weird tint shift to it that doesn't match anything.

The only way I would ever pay to switch back to highlander is if I could keep my viera walk/run animations.

look I don't even care that much because I never use the hempen pieces in my glams, but like.... people can run around in maid dresses and chicken suits, and being able to wear a slightly different shirt is a lore issue? it's literally just a shirt.