The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

While Firon did love FFXI, I have to agree with Hanemakikaze. The journey from 1-75 was fun the first time but after a while it became boring, after getting 8 jobs to 75 the grind was tedious. Pre ToUA there was not much to do besides lvl up another class or endgame.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

A lot of you people make me sick with your nonsense about not wanting to level up like in FFXI.
FFXI define what an RPG was about. It might have been long an tedious but the fact is, that was what MUD's were all about. You needed to earn your place at the top by putting in the time.
What we have today is masses of spoiled people who just want to compete with everyone on the same footing without having to put in the effort.
Why bother playing an RPG if all you're going to do is whine and complain about how something takes too long? The deconstruction of this genre has taken a turn for the worse.

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Leveling up should never be a grind. IF you have ever played an FF prior to 11 you would know the game never forces you to stand in one area and grind, the only thing you had to work for in previous FF's was Gil, special armor, special spells, and special weapons. which is the current goal of FFXIV.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

no time invested = a shooter, specially with all this all instanced stuff people be talking. no progress and journey = a short lived mmo, just like all the rest. don't say wow because really it's the exception only cause people have to run back to there cash crop.

while i do think ffxi's biggest problem was probably not being able to reel in new players cause of this, there needs to be a better way to get people to keep joining the game without killing the journey. ffxi actually felt like a rpg to me. it was the only mmo that did, weather it got grindy after a few jobs ...that is how all mmo's are after your first max class. you level the first one slow and take it all in, then the next one is probably for speed, after that it's whatever.

some people on this thread that argue bout the grind also help it's cause by testifying they stayed with ffxi for 5years or longer. ...that is the point, what other mmo have you ever played for 5years straight on one character. None i can almost guarantee for most people. all mmo's are going casual and easy, but all mmo's are dying out quick. even the wow clones for whatever reason rather then playing a new mmo with new content and things in it, they still run back to wow that they beat totally and completely a million times over? how's that work, guess no one likes new stuff to do less i'm missing something.

i've yet to see a mmo without some sort of grind, ffxi did theres very well in my opinion and like others said if they can find a middle way from ffxi and how long it took but keep all the progress to it, i would love this game and probably play it for another 5years easy. once this game starts to die, it's not wow, it will keep dying out like the rest.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

A lot of you people make me sick with your nonsense about not wanting to level up like in FFXI.
FFXI define what an RPG was about. It might have been long an tedious but the fact is, that was what MUD's were all about. You needed to earn your place at the top by putting in the time.
What we have today is masses of spoiled people who just want to compete with everyone on the same footing without having to put in the effort.
Why bother playing an RPG if all you're going to do is whine and complain about how something takes too long? The deconstruction of this genre has taken a turn for the worse.

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Who are you to define what an RPG is? People like you make me sick. The thought of someone having an opposing viewpoint is so foreign to you that you can't see beyond it.

Thank you for the reply and the support. I support this thread and the message that it delivers to the devs. I hope that they implement an adventure that requires hard work in 2.0.

My wife wants more diversity in leveling. This is what most want... no one cares for a grind, but would grind for adventure.

I want 2.o to require the player to level before she/he can explore the world further. After gaining 10 levels the player should have to purchase the appropriate gear to proceed to higher levels.

If the devs were just they would cater to the ones that stick with them through the bad times.

I'm not asking the devs to copy and paste FFXI, but I do support them taking the functional aspects of FFXI and applying them to FFXIV (i.e level sync, a player search engine, auction house, and ect...). The new world, characters, and storyline is more than welcome, we needed the new content desperately.

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Who are you to define what an RPG is? People like you make me sick. The thought of someone having an opposing viewpoint is so foreign to you that you can't see beyond it.

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so people want a 1 player game mmo, gain everything in 1 day, end game to be in a box, gain exp at mass rates, just sit in a queue. well sounds like more fun than trying to explore and have battles with some form of order, right?.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

Who are you to define what an RPG is? People like you make me sick. The thought of someone having an opposing viewpoint is so foreign to you that you can't see beyond it.

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yeah but get this ...there a tons of rpg's that come out, and they all used to come out trying to be different and good at same time. problem with mmo's is they all just making them for idiots with the biggest wallets. that doesn't define what a good rpg is either. a opinion on how people want to play is just that, and guess what there opinions on how they like it used to actually be part of the genre. i would say you wanked the rug from under there game play, how does that make you sick? that's like the man that takes some guys place at work cause he is on strike saying to you, you sicken me.

there needs to be mmo's made for all types of players, and guess what this is ffxiv, it came after ffxi ...witch had the style and gameplay they are praising. this isn't wow2, or blizzards next mmo where then we can say ohhh ok..what would you expect but this type of system. also to add on the bliz thing, diablo3 is adding a real player auction to sell there own gils and items for real cash, while diablo3 isn't a real mmo, if it does well i can bet bliz tries to add this system to it's next real mmo if it does well(witch it probably will). so next step would be that mmo's are going to "need" to make harder drop rates on items and create gameplay with carrot sticks cause it will be the only way to make them real money. so all of you flashing your wallets are probably not realizing the possible dooms that can come in the future. but i think i got little off topic and this is just a thought in my head on the steps these companies are taking to take every penny they can from you.

either way no journey = no fun, no progress = no point in playing anymore. i'm bout to hit 50 on everything and i'ma be forced to just not play anymore ... most people will stop after a few classes and crafts and do the same thing with the system that is in place now. mmo's always need some form of grind and ffxi did it the best ..in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by indira

so people want a 1 player game mmo, gain everything in 1 day, end game to be in a box, gain exp at mass rates, just sit in a queue. well sounds like more fun than trying to explore and have battles with some form of order, right?.

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I haven't seen anyone ask for that. Maybe in your own deluded little bubble that's what you understand, but it doesn't make it true.

Lucifer that argument can go both ways ya know, someone could come in and say "you elitist bunch make me sick" etc etc.

Gaming has changes a lot in the last 10 years, not only MMO's and RPG's but pretty much every genre, platformers barely exist anymore, everything is FPS and shooters and JRPG's are in a sorry state.

There are hundres of thousands of new casual players due to things like the Wii and WoW.

Add all this together with the cost of development these days and that companies like SE wanting to make money of course they are going to target the casual crowd just as WoW, Rift, Aion and every other MMO out there is trying to do.

Final Fantasy single player games are designed for casual play, it makes sense that an online title with the same name would follow in those footsteps, at least if they want it to appeal to the same crowd, yes FF11 didn't go that route but thats neither here nor there, from the very beginning of this games development it has been touted as being casual and solo friendly.

well all offline games can probably be consider casual, outside of maybe dark souls but even then. most games don't take a long time to beat these days. there are still really good ones that still take 100+ hrs to do if you do everything in it and not just run threw the story. final fantasy old rpq's in your description of it probably wasn't really casual, even ff12 took over 100+ hrs to do if you hunted every nm and you didn't use the internet to get all your answers to questions. while the genre itself is changing it doesn't mean games can't come out that are different. /or the same as they used to be. rpq's are the least of any genre of gaming to be casual, add on top of that that mmo's are charging monthly to stay and play for years for something with less quality story/graphics/content then why are people staying? in the end if this keeps going in this direction you will be paying for games that you would of consider offline games but with monthly charges in the future. rewrapped and given monthly charges.

Well thats the thing isn't it, many ex FF11 fans have the deluded impression that length and time sink = difficulty. (this is fun, smiles whilst gritting his teeth)

Yoshi said his plan is to make leveling an easy experience for everyone and to have the challenge at end game, is there no option to have the "journey" at end game, I'm sure we will all have fond memories of battling our way through the crystal tower when its released.

I have some great memories from leveling in FF11, but FF11 was my first MMO and the experience was very fresh to me which is why it probably had a bigger impact, nosalgia is a funny thing.

Even if you slowed down the leveling in this game it wouldn't change the journey much as the area's all look the same anyway.

FWIW I have good memories of leveling multiple classes in WoW outlands and Northrend so you can have those same experiences in a more casual setting.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi All,

With the lively discussion in a recent PL thread, the topic of the Journey was brought up. Seeing the diverse opinions on the subject, I'm curious:

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Thank you so much for making an excellent topic on something I have been talking about since I started playing XIV. I honestly have been in a bad rut of not playing because of the claims of capping and all instanced content. It has really put a bad taste in my mouth and I facepalm when I hear someone utter Next Gen MMO to justify making a game easier(Yoshi included).

Next Gen means making the experience look and feel better graphically and smoother with better written UIs and engines. It does not mean make the game easier to silence the people who cry that they cant devote the same time to stuff they used to. There were people like that in "last gen" but that made no difference because it created that "I'm better than you" feeling and that's what MMOs are all about... XD

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Originally Posted by Hanemakikaze

Do you actually read before you say anything? I mean really. So you're calling BS on something only I would personally know, then proceed to tell me I'm selfish because I want to level a job after I get home & not merit? Seems like the jokes on you, because you don't seem to know a thing and dropping a bunch of assumptions like this forum normally does without any solid facts besides your whole self proclaimed crap.

And also good job not reading like 90% of what I said, we aren't talking soloing at 75 (seriously why would I be soloing on a 75 when I want group on a 40?), not even in the slightest so there's another nice little assumption gone wrong. The only objective opinion I see are the people here, did I once say I care how you play your game? Nope, yet here I am arguing about the most pointless crap over some people trying to defend something that I gave not so "omg so nostalgic" opinion about.

Moral of the story, actually read my posts before you start running your mouth instead of skimming through so you can grab some out of context quote to try and look witty.

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Let's go through some points.

-You are not selfish if you want to level instead of help a friend. You are selfish when you whine about having to level instead of helping a friend because you had every option to do either and choose the former.

-I solod on Thief well before 75, getting a party was rough for thief for...almost forever. When I wasn't making my own parties I was soloing (Great way to keep your marksmenship capped.) Any class can solo pre-75 it's not the best exp under the sun but it's better than sitting around with a thumb up your behind crying about the lack of parties. On this notion, lowman parties always worked as well. You are to blame if you just went with cookie cutter camp/party setups and didn't go beyond the little box you define as the "Norm"

-I stand by my assumption that you let 9/10ths of the game pass you by while you wept gently into a friends shoulder about how bad you felt when you had to merit on drg.

-What you thought about FFXI is irrelevant, you have no place to come in and shit on everyone elses opinion of the game who don't agree with you. I haven't said anything about your sad experience in the game aside that I feel you missed out on some of the greater things the game had to offer bassed on what little information you have givin me to go on. Was it the wrong way to play the game? I might think so, but all the power to you to sit in town for hours on end waiting for someone else to make the game happen for you, "Grinding" instead of playing the game.

-I frankly don't give a damn wether you liked parts of XI or hated it all, calling people massochists because they like a certain playstyle. I guess I'm a bit guilty on this front as well as I called you selfish for not "Ditching" your merit parties to help friends, I'll bite the bullet on that one.

I did read your entire post and my points all stand, your half assed assumptions about my posts aren't helping your post either.

You know I recall the journey and what was right in FFXI but lets also look at what was flawed there to make a better journey in the future:

10Valkrum: Goblins, Crabs, Flies
20Qufim: Crabs, Fish
25Yuhtunga: Mandy, Goblins
30Altepa: Beetles
35Gustav/CN: Crawlers, Goblins, Flies
40Altepa(w): Beetles
Okay assuming this is up to what the magicite quest? We have fought for exp mostly 7 types of monsters and this pretty much stayed crawlers and crabs most of the way up. This is what a huge majority did, and being party based you have to keep in mind that means majority rules. If its the same five things over and over thats not much different than the 1-50 in one zone problem.

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Originally Posted by Phen

You know I recall the journey and what was right in FFXI but lets also look at what was flawed there to make a better journey in the future:

10Valkrum: Goblins, Crabs, Flies ]also fish,lizards, ..rank 17'ish worms and bats[/COLOR]
20Qufim: Crabs, Fish also goblins and worms[/COLOR]
25Yuhtunga: Mandy, Goblins
30Altepa: Beetles also goblins [/COLOR]
35Gustav/CN: Crawlers, Goblins, Flies also galeigh citedel, bats, beetles[/COLOR]
40Altepa(w): Beetles also dalmah's and probably other places i'm just not thinking of. [/COLOR]
Okay assuming this is up to what the magicite quest? We have fought for exp mostly 7 types of monsters and this pretty much stayed crawlers and crabs most of the way up. This is what a huge majority did, and being party based you have to keep in mind that means majority rules. If its the same five things over and over thats not much different than the 1-50 in one zone problem.

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(while lot of repeats gotta think classes on these and also what moves you gained like dispel. every step gave you a new perspective to the fights, crabs at start no dispel, later with. so now your paying attention to a new thing in the battle. most might not remember say weapons in moon grinds on magic base weapons, was pretty awesome in there and lot of work as a mage. theres a big diff from how that game approached it's grinds and this game does by a long shot.

on top of that also getting to each zone the first time was pretty epic in itself. seeing them all was fun ..no maps made it 30times as big as it was to boot. i don't think the game felt repetative till my 3rd or 4th class at max. from rdm..then speeding threw brd with pulling right from dunes. to bursts on blm to blink tank nin and all the content inbetween and all the speed bumps of fun they added to it, i never got bored.[/COLOR]

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Let's go through some points.

-You are not selfish if you want to level instead of help a friend. You are selfish when you whine about having to level instead of helping a friend because you had every option to do either and choose the former.

-I solod on Thief well before 75, getting a party was rough for thief for...almost forever. When I wasn't making my own parties I was soloing (Great way to keep your marksmenship capped.) Any class can solo pre-75 it's not the best exp under the sun but it's better than sitting around with a thumb up your behind crying about the lack of parties. On this notion, lowman parties always worked as well. You are to blame if you just went with cookie cutter camp/party setups and didn't go beyond the little box you define as the "Norm"

-I stand by my assumption that you let 9/10ths of the game pass you by while you wept gently into a friends shoulder about how bad you felt when you had to merit on drg.

-What you thought about FFXI is irrelevant, you have no place to come in and shit on everyone elses opinion of the game who don't agree with you. I haven't said anything about your sad experience in the game aside that I feel you missed out on some of the greater things the game had to offer bassed on what little information you have givin me to go on. Was it the wrong way to play the game? I might think so, but all the power to you to sit in town for hours on end waiting for someone else to make the game happen for you, "Grinding" instead of playing the game.

-I frankly don't give a damn wether you liked parts of XI or hated it all, calling people massochists because they like a certain playstyle. I guess I'm a bit guilty on this front as well as I called you selfish for not "Ditching" your merit parties to help friends, I'll bite the bullet on that one.

I did read your entire post and my points all stand, your half assed assumptions about my posts aren't helping your post either.

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It's like no one here has reading comprehension I swear, let me break this down for you. I never whined about not getting parties I gave my opinion of how it WAS when I played, when I couldn't get one I did something else I really didn't feel like doing to pass the time over the 5 years of playing that bs, this is how I got everything explored/done because I was always seeking so damn long. And about me leveling ? Here's where you clearly once again can't read worth a damn, I've said multiple times that my version of helping a friend was joining a merit party instead of leveling because of course all my friends mostly only did that till an event. So once again let me break this down for you, no one actually needed my help, but I had the choice to merit or seek a few hours getting pretty much nothing done but your crappy quests that are completely meaningless to me. Got that now? I'm sure you got it after the 3rd time right?

Like I said, know what you're talking about before you run your mouth, you just make yourself look like an ass. And I haven't shit on anyones opinion just because I have a negative one, never once did I say no one can play the way they want, oh but wait I think you did a few times. Swear these forums are so ridiculous. And please show me where I assume anything about your posts, all I've done is point out the flawed 90% of the crap you're spewing about knowing what I've done or how I've done it.

Anyway this'll be last post at you, just another ridiculous fanatic making up the most ridiculous crap to try and get a point across that will never go through. All I see you saying are creative ways to be bored, and ineffective ways to party. I shouldn't have to sit there and tell my entire "life story" of xi to make a point, but as I said you're one the types on these forums that will just keep coming up with more of the same excuses every time no matter what I say so I'm leaving it at that, take it for what ya will damn hypocrite.

if you make your own party your never not grouping. i think i made like 90percent of my grinds and i never sat around doing nothing. at worse near the end of the games life it just took a little longer to do, other then that not even the least wanted classes i leved i had no issue putting together a decent group. problem is most people just go afk and expect people to do everything for them, granted games should be getting on the way easier mode for grouping. like gw2 public parties and campaign battle type things where it's just really easy to show up and get to business. but when there is things that need to be put together people are just afk watching tv, playing other games or whatever else they do and then complain they didn't get a invite. well what u expect. lol

also when the game first released bigger problem was sooo many parties in every zone u run out of mobs, the hardest choice in making a party was deciding hmmm taru healer or the galka healer lol. and again, if you build it ..they will come.

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Originally Posted by Phen

You know I recall the journey and what was right in FFXI but lets also look at what was flawed there to make a better journey in the future:

10Valkrum: Goblins, Crabs, Flies
20Qufim: Crabs, Fish
25Yuhtunga: Mandy, Goblins
30Altepa: Beetles
35Gustav/CN: Crawlers, Goblins, Flies
40Altepa(w): Beetles
Okay assuming this is up to what the magicite quest? We have fought for exp mostly 7 types of monsters and this pretty much stayed crawlers and crabs most of the way up. This is what a huge majority did, and being party based you have to keep in mind that means majority rules. If its the same five things over and over thats not much different than the 1-50 in one zone problem.

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On one hand I sort of agree but then I think about the current alternative.

Yes you're running around a lot more while grinding BUT everything looks the same.
Yes you're probably killing a greater variety of mobs BUT they all feel exactly the same.

Now that i think about it, even a simple Qufim party takes a lot more coordination and strategy to know when and where the wights move and time it to the daylight trips to the book to get a new page. Also depending on the pt setup the fights that you were in for SEVERAL hours could still turn out really intense when suddenly a mob too many gets suddenly pulled.

As mundane and almost even boring that was in XI I'd have a hard time remembering anything that has been as exciting in XIV yet.

Yes XI has it's flaws but it still does almost everything better than the current XIV and that's why the devs should pay attention to that game and not all the wows and rifts that they are so keen on copying.

It's a common misconception that SE is listening to user feedback and developing the game accordingly. They are just adding basic functions of an MMO that should have been in the product to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Leveling up should never be a grind. IF you have ever played an FF prior to 11 you would know the game never forces you to stand in one area and grind, the only thing you had to work for in previous FF's was Gil, special armor, special spells, and special weapons. which is the current goal of FFXIV.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

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Irrelevant. I don't even know why you're making a statement if you're going to ignore the fact FFXI was an -MMO-RPG.
IF you have ever played an MMORPG prior to FFXI...I don't need to say anymore.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

Who are you to define what an RPG is? People like you make me sick. The thought of someone having an opposing viewpoint is so foreign to you that you can't see beyond it.

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I think someone who has a long history with them, should be able to enlighten others on the subject. You're just trying to make an argument because I've angered you.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Lucifer that argument can go both ways ya know, someone could come in and say "you elitist bunch make me sick" etc etc.

Gaming has changes a lot in the last 10 years, not only MMO's and RPG's but pretty much every genre, platformers barely exist anymore, everything is FPS and shooters and JRPG's are in a sorry state.

There are hundres of thousands of new casual players due to things like the Wii and WoW.

Add all this together with the cost of development these days and that companies like SE wanting to make money of course they are going to target the casual crowd just as WoW, Rift, Aion and every other MMO out there is trying to do.

Final Fantasy single player games are designed for casual play, it makes sense that an online title with the same name would follow in those footsteps, at least if they want it to appeal to the same crowd, yes FF11 didn't go that route but thats neither here nor there, from the very beginning of this games development it has been touted as being casual and solo friendly.

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This is what hurts me the most. The genre has been completely redefined to cater to these masses. The Ifrit fight is a perfect example of this. We are simply going to fight boss after boss hoping to get crazy gear so we can be proud of our measly accomplishment. If this is the direction they want, why not just make hubs. That way we pick the people we want to go with, down the boss and end the night with a bang. You don't have to level up. (Why bother with this if you're removing the journey to max level?) No more traveling since all you're doing is teleporting to the next dungeon. No crafting needed. You don't need it since you're getting epic loot XD.

I just saved SE millions of dollars and cut all the time sinks. Now you guys can kill your bosses, get the gear you want, and you will be extremely happy you can show it off to your friends.

Heaven forbid people have fun in their MMORPG. Ever wonder why the genre was nothing more than a niche, only played by the most masochistic and stereotypical PC gamer? Because those were the types that willingly allowed a game to take over their life.

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Heaven forbid people have fun in their MMORPG. Ever wonder why the genre was nothing more than a niche, only played by the most masochistic and stereotypical PC gamer? Because those were the types that willingly allowed a game to take over their life.

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Riiight. The people playing WoW are not letting their lives be consumed. Nope. Not at all.

Terrible argument.

The big problem with ffxiv is that the journey is so boring. Everyone just kills raptors. If the journey was anything like what the OP described i wouldnt mind it, but the way it is the journey is not desirable.

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Originally Posted by Lebannen

The big problem with ffxiv is that the journey is so boring. Everyone just kills raptors. If the journey was anything like what the OP described i wouldnt mind it, but the way it is the journey is not desirable.

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Correct and here we are trying to suggest to Yoship that he focus on that journey instead speeding up the path to 50.

If you're killing nothing but raptors you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by lordvr

plvling is completely broken. You can go from 1 to 50 in one day. The change in 1.19a didn't fix anything.

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Evidence plx. I'm calling BS on this.

There are lots of ways to make a journey, and just levelling 1-50 seems the most boring and worst way imo..

I'm a believer in mobs/npcs adapting to the player level, with harder mobs always being harder, maybe some zones/areas being to hard for your skills/ability's when your new but over time you get more powerful, and gain new attacks and abilitys.
But that annoying early mob is still a decent fight even if you know you'll win this time.
You probably need a greater variance in this for a MMO then single player but still..
(an easy current game to point at here would be Skyrim)

With that in mind if you give people dungeons/nms/quests/story content and other things and point people at all the zones, some being filled with simpler non aggressive foe's and then harder ones having aggressive ones with more adaptive AI.. u do create that journey if the story telling is done well..

This also stops areas being noob zones, unused and empty over time if there is a wide range of challenges all over the world.

allows people of all levels or more abilitys to play togheter as they would hit the mob for damage approprate to there level and the mob them..

The only down side i see is it takes away some of the OMG I'M 50 I AM SO POWERFUL DIE LV1 RAT RAA... for some people.

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Originally Posted by Reverser

Evidence plx. I'm calling BS on this.

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Is 271k exp in under 50min. good enough proof? This party took a rank 40 glad to rank 50 in alittle over 3hours. And 40-50 is half the total EXP from 1-50. R30-40 can be done with a PL doing add/drop on raptors netting around 150k/hour exp.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2664/explh.jpg

And to be clear I am 100% in favor of slowing down the grind I like the idea that a job from 1-50 takes a month in good parties or 2-3months solo. Bring back the FFXI party style just get rid of the link system. Or tone it down so you can only claim a set number of mobs at once say 3 max at once.

Also another way to help eliminate PL'ing is set a greater EXP penalty for having high lvl in party make the range for desired parties a 2 lvl gap max. This doesn't work well right now with such small sub numbers on all servers but if 2.0 is really the holy grail patch then there should be plenty of ppl to make parties with a max 2lvl gap, heck we could probably do this now if we had any type of normal party search system.

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

And to be clear I am 100% in favor of slowing down the grind I like the idea that a job from 1-50 takes a month in good parties or 2-3months solo. Bring back the FFXI party style just get rid of the link system. Or tone it down so you can only claim a set number of mobs at once say 3 max at once.

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Except only a small minority of the community is in favor of this.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Except only a small minority of the community is in favor of this.

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Really? The 113+ likes on this thread doesn't indicate ppl want to slow down the grind?

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

Really? The 113+ likes on this thread doesn't indicate ppl want to slow down the grind?

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I'm pretty sure people aren't liking it because of the archaic grind, but more for, they want more places to explore. Also 123 likes is a minority compared to the thousands of people who actually play the game, most of the people wont even log into or even look at this cesspool that is XIV official forums. And for good reason.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I'm pretty sure people aren't liking it because of the archaic grind, but more for, they want more places to explore. Also 123 likes is a minority compared to the thousands of people who actually play the game, most of the people wont even log into or even look at this cesspool that is XIV official forums. And for good reason.

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Pot, kettle, black, etc..
You need to stop posting forever. Nothing you say is coherent or even remotely accurate. You need to be sedated and or shot in the face.

People want places to explore? To do what exactly? Take pictures? No. People will not venture further than they need to. If you don't have something to do in that area, people will not be there. Force people to visit these areas you work so hard to create, SE. Introduce level cap quests, moderate experience intake, introduce even more unique materials that can only be obtained from specific coordinates. Things that add game time to your routine. Having to travel to these locations might be considered time sinks but that does not matter if reaching that point becomes part of the fun.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Pot, kettle, black, etc..
You need to stop posting forever. Nothing you say is coherent or even remotely accurate. You need to be sedated and or shot in the face.

People want places to explore? To do what exactly? Take pictures? No. People will not venture further than they need to. If you don't have something to do in that area, people will not be there. Force people to visit these areas you work so hard to create, SE. Introduce level cap quests, moderate experience intake, introduce even more unique materials that can only be obtained from specific coordinates. Things that add game time to your routine. Having to travel to these locations might be considered time sinks but that does not matter if reaching that point becomes part of the fun.

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How did i know I'd hear from you again. What are you 14? It's amazing how I'm completely civil and you go around telling people that they "need to be sedated or shot in the face." Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Correct and here we are trying to suggest to Yoship that he focus on that journey instead speeding up the path to 50.

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It's not about the speed its about the boring enviroments and lack of decent monsters, there is nothing to remember from your journey because all of Thanalan looks the same.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

How did i know I'd hear from you again. What are you 14? It's amazing how I'm completely civil and you go around telling people that they "need to be sedated or shot in the face." Grow up.

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Agreed, was a bit uncalled for.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

I'm pretty sure people aren't liking it because of the archaic grind, but more for, they want more places to explore. Also 123 likes is a minority compared to the thousands of people who actually play the game, most of the people wont even log into or even look at this cesspool that is XIV official forums. And for good reason.

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So are you in favor of the current 1-50 in a day situation we have now?

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Originally Posted by Reverser

Evidence plx. I'm calling BS on this.

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easy, get a group together, log in you know? Go outside to thanalahn find the camp of cactuars.. rank 27 ish? thats easy rank 1-30 then get a group and start plvling at nanawa.. then just stronghold grind.. 1.3k+ sp/kill on wolves in natalan? Thats ridiculous yet it happens.

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

So are you in favor of the current 1-50 in a day situation we have now?

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Indeed.

Also 1-50 is completely by choice. No one is forcing you to level this fast.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Indeed.

Also 1-50 is completely by choice. No one is forcing you to level this fast.

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your right of course princess, only problem is when everyone is 50 and you want to play with you friends your almost forced to because thats all everyone is willing to do.. I havent heard about any type of party aside from PLVL, Stronghold, and Ifrit in the past three weeks :[

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

How did i know I'd hear from you again. What are you 14? It's amazing how I'm completely civil and you go around telling people that they "need to be sedated or shot in the face." Grow up.

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Someone is flustered. I am more than happy to anger you at any point and time.
Keep spewing garbage, I will be here to make sure you become bitter about it.

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

your right of course princess, only problem is when everyone is 50 and you want to play with you friends your almost forced to because thats all everyone is willing to do.. I havent heard about any type of party aside from PLVL, Stronghold, and Ifrit in the past three weeks :[

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But it's already impossible for someone who can only play a few times a week for a few hours. You can only mess around with leveling so much. Either way there are going to be unhappy people no matter what you do so why bother?