That was an issue I had because the person in question thought they knew better than the judging group, so for the fact that they thought better, I wanted to know if they had anything better. You can have an opinion, but when an opinion has no backbone, I cannot take that as valid criticism or judgement of a design. It's preposterous to just take a glance, then just say it's boring, and end it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyVal
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08-29-2016, 07:09 PMErryK
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08-29-2016, 07:16 PMCaitlynYou forgot to mentioned one thing: I shared my body template 2 months ago. Its coincidence you come now with that xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Schneehase
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08-29-2016, 07:29 PMRakiriaIt's not "knowing better" to have a different opinion... I too think the winning entry is a bit boring considering this was a rare opportunity to add something to the game that doesn't look like armor we already have, and thus I disagree with the judging team. It is what I personally think, and in no way am I or anyone else saying anything bad about the judges. Read more than just this one reply you replied to, there have been enough people stating exactly why so many think the winner looks boring, it is not nessecairy to state it again this many times, and if you still have a problem with that, adress that and not the fact that they did not draw a finalist themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErryK
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08-29-2016, 07:29 PMLadyValWell, a simple opinion is still an opinion. I find the winning design boring because it's just a recolored silhouette of the HA Coat of Fending. I personally think designing new Allagan gear could have gone so many ways- you could have had exaggerated shoulders, or had some kind of glowing bodysuit with larges pieces of plate mail attached, or added pulsing tubing/wiring so that it looks like you can see the aether powering the armor; I feel there are many more ways the designer could have been creative when using Allagan technology. And, really, as far as innovation and creativity goes compared to the other entrants, this one feels the most flat. It's not inspired enough to be exciting, it has so many borrowed ideas that I feel like I've already seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErryK
But then again I know I couldn't design a better set of armor overall because designing armor/plate mail is not my forte. I just know that compared to things I've already seen in this game, and just saw in the contest, my opinion is that the winning look is boring. And just thinking about it, this is probably the kind of opinion you were looking for in the first place. XD -
08-29-2016, 07:54 PMMistyMew
Grats to the winner!!!
1 contest could never satisfy the majority anyway, we all have such unique tastes.
They would need hundreds of contests.
I still prefer tera styled gear over all games tbh ..the flow of the fabrics, the realistic textures, the way light reflects off of sequins and glittery materials, fur trims that flow like real fur does omg just beautiful. they are utterly gorgeous!! way ahead of ffxiv in that regard.
Here we get too much clipping, a lot of copy paste with flared stiff panels at the side of most gear...very predictable sadly :( -
08-29-2016, 08:14 PMSchneehaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Schneehase
I have no clue about Phantasy Star Series... Just google it to know what you guys r talking about ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
and found this pic, that shows me, that your entry have to deal with this game? Just wondering why u said it doesn't..but hey u win! :D
Nothing else matters..or? o.O?? xDD
And yeah u r right, it was a design contest ...who cares about the similar pose or some similar details? ... ^_________^/ like SagaSoluna said....
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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna
Caitlyn, u r one of the lucky winner, congratz to your work and to all winner!:o:o:o -
08-29-2016, 09:35 PMMaeroSign me up also, i really like that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Nep_Nep
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08-29-2016, 09:59 PMFainMabujaQuote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
It is not nearly impossible to create a completely "new" Tank Gear...
When I look at the other Gear sets, they do not look like a copy immediately recognizable.
As PSO2 player you can clearly see the inspiration, there is a lack of creativity!
Look at the Gobbue Gear, of which gear it has brought the inspiration?
Congratulation to all the Winner! (:
Very many beautiful concepts :3 -
08-30-2016, 06:03 PMGenaxxThen you just have a bias opinion and it is unfair to say they have a lack of creativity. So where is your design?Quote:
Originally Posted by FainMabuja
I could give you multiple examples with that frame of mind.
Allagan Sets
Monster Hunter
Dark Souls
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08-30-2016, 06:30 PMLadyValOne does not need to be able to create something to criticize it. Can you create gear and compare it to the gear that you both like and dislike? Can you cook better food than you've had at restaurants? Can you fabricate better clothing than what you see when you shop? Can you build a better car than cars you dislike? Chances are you can't, yet you still have opinions about things every day that you can't do better. So there is no sense in telling someone they aren't entitled to an opinion because they can't do better, because everybody does it every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genaxx
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08-30-2016, 06:48 PMGenaxxI wasn't talking about their opinion on the lack of creativity, I was talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by LadyVal
If its not, go do it yourself :DQuote:
It is not nearly impossible to create a completely "new" Tank Gear...
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08-31-2016, 12:59 AMFelisIt will come, but as a crafted gear and not as the contest winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
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While this is a simplistic design with what seems to be rustic materials, the coat and marge mesh extremely well, and it looks very cool. We’d like to see a leatherworker and weaver create the materials, and then have an armorer put it all together!
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08-31-2016, 02:15 AMJynxThat quote doesn't mean it's coming ingame. That's just how they envisioned it when judging. That was my favorite of the runner-upsQuote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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08-31-2016, 02:25 AMFudoMyoo
Only this is true tank armor: http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/036.jpg
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08-31-2016, 02:48 AMFainMabujaQuote:
Originally Posted by Genaxx
"Creativity is a phenomenon whereby something new and somehow valuable is formed." (Wikipedia)
My opinion and I dont mean that they can not draw.
I can not draw .. ask answered ?
I do not want to talk bad about all the Designs, because many Designs looks really good!! -
08-31-2016, 03:59 AMExKage
While I found the Allagan Luminous Surcoat a great and aesthetically pleasing design, I thought it was visually too similar to designs already implemented in the game. It is certainly not the worst in my opinion but I felt like if I wanted to pick a design to see in the game, I wanted to choose one that wasn't already similar to the sets in game.
For that reason I also hoped these others would have been chosen from the runner ups:
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/019.jpg
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/037.jpg
I would have included this set in my finalists if I could.
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/012.jpg
While aesthetically very nice, I thought this http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/GearD...h9ot1p/026.jpg was more of caster set than a tank set. -
08-31-2016, 11:27 AMVargasVermillion
I'm not the only one getting sick of coat armours am I? I generally find most endgame Armour to be over designed to the point I don't find any of them interesting enough to keep wearing them once new sets come out.
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08-31-2016, 11:44 AMImmut
I knew the literal tank wouldn't win, but i was hoping it would at least be an honorable mention.
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08-31-2016, 10:19 PMKurogaeaYou are aware players are allowed to use templates for gear? If anything she could've plucked this from Google and happen to use the same template model for her entry. Also I still don't see a resemblance in the uniform. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneehase
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08-31-2016, 10:27 PMRemus
People are still complaining over this? Get over it already.
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09-01-2016, 06:02 AMFrederick22
Whats the lore of the luminus allagan?
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09-01-2016, 07:39 AMSagaSolunaNot only that, but as a Phantasy Star Online 2 player i can clearly see which items and accessories and armors she used to then "create her design".Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneehase
Of course, she´s modified them and adapted them to FFXIV so they are not carbon copies, but it´s obvious she used them as a template to draw upon. -
09-01-2016, 12:53 PMKaitlanKela
I don't like it either.
It's so similar to what we already have. There were plenty of other great options that fit with the game and were still more original. -
09-01-2016, 07:11 PMKurogaeaI'd like to know which items exactly, and also how does the soup can armor look any different from what he have in 14 already?Quote:
Originally Posted by SagaSoluna
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09-01-2016, 07:46 PMClover_Blake
Congratulations to the winner!
Considering that every person has their own taste, it's hard to make everyone happy in a contest. I'm sure that many people will still enjoy the winner set. -
09-02-2016, 10:38 PMSchneehasenopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
u don't understand me or?
who said she need to ask so.'s permission to use a template? lol, not me...plz?
she said that her entry have nothing to do with the Phantasy Star Series and that she is wondering why so many people named it "PSO2 gear.
on the other hand if i look at both pic's I c not only the same pose from the char's,
for example look at the boots or legs....sure they are not identical but pretty similar
and how she can say that her entry have nothing to do with this game at the same time she use a pic from this game as inspiration?
I have no problem with that it looks like, but I don't rly understand her. That's all <3 -
09-03-2016, 12:54 AMRakiriaYou know... Inspiration coming from one picture doesn't mean it has to do with it's context... It's a pretty good template too and even though there clearly are similarities (because, you know, that's when happenes if you get inspired by something), it is clearly a different design. Why are so salty about it anyway? She'd have no reason to hide her inspiration from the game, so what are you trying to get at? Oh no this person drew a gear that looks like it's from another game AND THEY MIGHT HAVE USED IT AS REFERENCE!?! Scandal.Quote:
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09-03-2016, 01:18 AMRenius
I hate to say it but it looks like soooo many other pieces. No cape still and overly "intricate" with looks that seem to have been "stolen" from other sets. And what's up with the bug tail end looking craze on these outfits have they not come up with anything that wraps completely around the lower back legs? Sorry again but I hate it.
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09-03-2016, 01:26 AMSchneehaseThat's the point I don't understand ,b'cause she said something another and then she is wondering why people named it "PSO2" gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakiria
I mean, it's okay to get inspired by something, like u said, and it happenes, that's fine o.o!
nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rakiria
like i said, that I get the picture why other ppl said something like that about her entry , that's all
pls come down, don't be like a dramaqueen :p, I haven't said something like that and that's not the point i mean. I'm not against her or her entry or whatever about this contest*lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakiria
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09-03-2016, 03:05 AMKacho_NachoCongratulations to the winner and all the runner ups!Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
I love this entry so much! I love its simplicity. I love its practicality. I love how it all comes together. Here's hoping it gets into the game as well.
And let's have a round of applause for everyone who entered the contest!
Official Short List of Entries
and while I can readily see why this entry did not win, I'd dearly love to have this little guy for a minion.
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09-03-2016, 04:49 AMCaitlyn
*sigh*
Even when I m aware, that any of my words will turned against me, I want to try to reach some clarification into this to end this discussion once it for all... .
Is my entry an PSO2-related armour?
No. During the creation process, my intention was to create a tank armor similiar to the existing Ironworks gear. I ve got my inspiration from armor-designs from FFXIV and other games (except PSO2). But it was never intended to be some kind of PSO2-armor. During the german livestream many people named my design as a an armor from Sword Art Online, Zone of the Enders or Hyper Dimension Neptunia. I m not mad or anything for calling my armor "PSO2" or "Neptunia", I m just curious why people make that reference and I would like to see those armors : ) . I guess its my anime-like drawing style and not the armor itself, who knows?
If I really tried to make some kind of PSO2-like armor, it would be turned out as to futuristic for FFXIV. Thats why I ve rather decided to take parts/designs from the Ironworks gear and the fancy holograms from the augmented healer/tank gear.
Do I know PSO2?
Yes I do. I like MMORPGs and I like science fiction. If you read my posts refering to PSO2 (like the PSO2 cross over event), its not a secret, that I m a huge fan of it. I played it from the release until FFXIV came out. After that, I never played it again (because japanese captchas are hell! O_O). I still love the PSO-series, especially the original series on Dreamcast and its no wonder, that my personal preferences in armor designs are unintentionally a bit influenced by it. But as far as I know, there is no existing PSO2 armor which comes close to my design. But if there is one, I would like to see it ^^.
Did I use a PSO2-picture?
Yes I did. But only for using it by making my own template which I can use for the contest and the next upcoming contests. Instead of recreate every pose for each design, I can easily use it for different design studies. I even shared my template in the german FFXIV board 2 months ago, because I want to make it easier to other people participating into the contest.
Why did I say my entry have nothing to do with PSO2?
When I said, that my entry have NOTHING to do with the PSO-series, I m only refering to the DESIGN. This contest is all about designing a tank armour. The pose is absolutely irrelavant. Maybe I should say, that my template was based on this one picture. But I never wanted to start a huge discussion about that, especially because some people already stated, that even the winning entry (which is still awesome) is nothing more than a copy or recolor of an exisisting armor. Even when my poses are based on a PSO2-related picture and even when I m a fan of PSO2, it still doesnt matter at all. It doesnt changes my opinions and it doesnt changes my design. But unfortuneately, we now have that one discussion I wanted to avoid -_-'
Is there more?
Yes! There is a big difference between "not understanding" and "making fun about someone". In fact, FainMabuja and Schneehase are from the same german FFXIV-board, like me. And its also known, that we have some dissensions before.
Another thing is: when I m looking for some PSO2 pictures on google, I just found many ingame screenshots and only a handfull concept arts. But when I m looking for "PSO2 concept arts" I found that one picture under tons of other concept arts. That means, you have to search specifically for it. Additionally, there is talking about "lack of creativity", just out of nowhere. I m still wondering, what they expect to achieve by that? : /
Nevertheless, I will participate in the next contests! I want to encourage other artists to do the same, no matter what other people say!
So, it took me about 2 hours to write this. I hope we can end this "discussion" now. Otherwise, you can contact me on Shiva ; ) -
09-03-2016, 05:08 AMkudokun3OMG a tincan kitty. :'DQuote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
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09-03-2016, 05:10 AMsilentwindfr
@Caitlyn: don't let them get you, your entry, even if is not my favorite one is interesting.
inspired of pso2? or wow or any game, why not, the point was to produce an entry that fit ff14 what you have done.
we are all influenced by what we did seen by the past, then your taste can seems similar than pso 2 material and what? tons of people like this sort of stuff and can draw new type of armor that have an Artistic direction close. but seriously, your entry is nice, maybe not tanky enough for me, but was quite nice. ^^
personally i'm not fan of the stuff added to the hips that look great when you are standing but can be quite un praticable when in battle. ^^ -
09-03-2016, 07:22 AMSchneehaseI'm sorry if u think, that I only trying poke fun at you,it wasn't my intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
I rly don't understand that why u'r wondering about how other ppl named your entry "PSO2" gear. I get your point now.
It goes without mentioning that o.O but okay...hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
yes, I'm playing ffxiv and I'm using this forum, like many ppl too.
some dissensions before?? I disagree u once on a another topic about healing.
not rly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...5aa7619ddd.jpg
Let me get this right, ...
Like I said, I'm not against you or your entry or whatever about this contest.
It's normal to discuss a topic, I get your point, thank you for your efforts! (rly<3) -
09-03-2016, 07:53 AMFrederick22Dont get those jelous people get in to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
Your work was awesome !
Honestly, if your work was in the the top 11, does it means a "lack of creativity" ? LoL
Over thousand of works that were not aproved,
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09-03-2016, 11:23 PMMicahZerrshiaPeople who are not in the field have no idea that things are lifted everyday and books and search engines are used by absolutely everybody from students to Steve Jobs for inspiration in the design of something. It's standard practice. And even though the pose is similar, the gear you designed is clearly not a rip off that pic that is floating around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlyn
My suggestion, just let it go, this one person in particular, is just getting their jollies by arguing with you now so it's time to put them on ignore. Don't sweat it. They are just trying to drag you down due to their own lack of confidence in themselves.
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09-04-2016, 03:12 AMSagaSolunaNice assumption there, buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
A wrong one at it.
The pose is literally the same, it has been drawn upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
We are claiming that she inspired herself with other items and costume parts of the game, not that she "copied that picture".Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
Or maybe we played more hours of PSO/PSU/PSPP and PSO2 than this entire forum combined and we know what we are talking about.Quote:
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Ah whatever, in the end, the sun does not stop being the sun because some choose not to acknowledge it. -
09-04-2016, 03:20 AMFrederick22Just top please.Quote:
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She with the finalist, the judges aproved her work. What more do you want?
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09-04-2016, 03:23 AMMature
I think the winner was great!
But I would like to see the 3rd runner up implemented into the game too. It's glorious -
09-04-2016, 03:38 AMFreyyy
Even the entire ocean doesn't have as much salt as this thread