There was? When I boosted my Rogue I got no tutorial from what I can remember, I just started out with a few skills but within 10 or so hours they threw all the skills right back at me, no tutorial of any sort? They do have the videos teaching you the basics of each class though, series is named Crash Course I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTANJ
So...about that white magitek mount
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12-04-2015, 06:22 AMColorful
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12-04-2015, 06:26 AMFevelle
Please stop with this WoW thing. This is not WoW. No one wants it to be.
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12-04-2015, 06:36 AMVelthicePretty much every mmo developer wants their game to be WoWQuote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
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12-04-2015, 06:37 AMFevelleWell, I can't conceive the idea someone picks up a FF numbered title and want it to be even more like WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velthice
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12-04-2015, 06:43 AMIlitsaWoW, for better or worse is one of the most successful MMOs ever, of course the devs would want their project to be like that, no one makes a game/project and aims for mediocrity. While, yes this may not be WoW, the success it has earned is nothing to scoff at and is a great goal to strive forQuote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
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12-04-2015, 06:45 AMTeryaaniIn the most critical ways for me FFXIV is better, but I wish we had the minion battles from WoW (including the wild minions). I get that people like the RTS, but it wasn't what I was looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
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12-04-2015, 07:36 AMVoltyblast...even though this game is essentially a WoW clone? Because...it is? Same battle system, same controls, same tab target system, same...almost everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
I mean yeah it has a story (which I don't care) but a story alone doesn't make it a FF game if you ask me: I came into this game because it looked and played good, but not because it looked like a Final Fantasy. And that's a good thing: I don't need to like the franchise to like a game and FFXIV kind of proves that even people like me can enjoy this game, even if I'm...a hater I guess? But that's a big word.
In the core itself, FFXIV is a WoW clone but does few things better than WoW (I guess storytelling? Can't tell though) and TONS worse than that game (I still can't do pretty much anything while in Queue and despite being an MMO, 99% of the activities require you to be alone....come on even SWTOR did story quests better than this!) -
12-04-2015, 09:46 AMBerethosGrinning Reaver is a reskin of the bug mount from the Scepter of Azj'Aqir, Winged Guardian is saber mount with wings and a different face and bits of armor, Enchanted Fey Dragon is a reskinned drake (the same way the various drake mounts have been since the Netherwing mounts), the Swift Windsteed is a reskinned Talbuk, and the Warforrged Nightmare is simply a horse reskinned with different armor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
Now they may not have an equivalent that is nothing more than recolor, but all of them are reskins of existing personal mounts available in the game...save the bat mount (and even that one has long been a flight path mount type). -
12-04-2015, 09:52 AMMihaelBAgreed, don't get the WoW hate despite most RPGs being replicas of it in terms of many system attributesQuote:
Originally Posted by Voltyblast
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12-04-2015, 10:03 PMCatwho
WoW established what is today considered the industry's "best practices." SE tried once to do something that didn't follow best practices, and the result was FFXIV 1.0.
A dev team is allowed to pick the user interface that works the best. A dev is allowed to pick the battle system that works the best. A dev is allowed to take all these elements, and blend them into their chosen world/universe and with that, create something that is familiar at the same time it is new. XIV married the solid cutscene cinematics SE is known for with the industry standard controls for an MMO, and added their own twist with the Cross Hotbar to make it console friendly. The result is a game that plays like WoW, looks like Final Fantasy, and which marries the two seamlessly.
The things that people complain about the most are areas where SE did *not* follow the industry standard best practices, e.g. Housing. -
12-04-2015, 10:30 PMRiardon
Pretty soon you will be able to farm for the anima weapons so don't worry if you are looking for something to farm for. The mounts is interesting to me and I find it ugly. Cash shop will continue have exclusive vanity items but they are not worrying me if they keep it like this. I don't want the same mount in different color. The game has already a big variety of mounts to obtain and more will come in future.
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12-04-2015, 10:39 PMColorfulIncredibly smart rekins then (other than the Talbuk, don't know how I missed that), but I wouldn't consider a Drake mount to be an alternative to the Enchanted Fey Dragon, nor would I consider a horse as an alternative to the Warforged Nightmare. Would be in similar fashion to calling Kirin an alternative Sleipnir, their base skeleton is the same but otherwise it has a different model and textures too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berethos
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12-04-2015, 11:35 PMArrius
How weird - On the one side people like to have those magitek mounts as a drop on Castrum raids, on the other side they don't want to keep the elemental ponies on the drop table on Ex primal fights.
Ya guys are quite the oddballs when it comes to such discussions. -
12-04-2015, 11:44 PMAlphaSonicIt's called different people have different opinions? That's the worst kind of generalizations people can do.Quote:
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12-04-2015, 11:58 PMGTANJDon't really see the point to any of this in the thread, since this is all opinion and not even relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltyblast
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12-05-2015, 12:07 AMColorfulWell FFXIV being a WoW clone with FF elements isn''t an opinion, it's fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTANJ
- what they did with FFXIV.Quote:
Yoshida feels that the creators didn't recognize that the global standard of MMOs had been significantly raised in recent years. He would have suggested a different path for the game—one that mirrored FFXI's own creation. "I think it would've been good if they tried seeing what happened if they turned World of Warcraft into Final Fantasy."
Which is why I don't understand the hate for WoW, or FFXI for that matter. "Hey, WoW has this cool thing, can we bring this over here?" gets met with "OMG THIS ISN'T WOW, go back to WoW you WoW filth". If someone dislikes WoW that strongly and enjoys FFXIV, they've either never played WoW, or are seriously "fanboying" FFXIV and believe it is a perfect game. But yeah, it's irrelevant. :x -
12-05-2015, 12:38 AMGTANJI just don't understand how that's relevant in a thread that's a discussion about the moral/business utilities of a cash shop in a game as a juxtaposition to it's content. If you were talking about FFXIV's cash shop in relation to WoW, then I'd be open to that discussion. But WoW vs FFXIV strictly from a gameplay perspective doesn't make any sense.Quote:
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12-05-2015, 12:54 AMwhiskeybravo
Well.. There is also the consideration of familiarity. FFXIV wanted to compete with WoW. And just like smart phones, PCs, cars, TVs, etc etc, if a particular design works well it starts to become a sort of standard for other brands to match. Each manufacturer has their own variation of each theme, but for the most part we see things being copied, particularly successful things, in many different products across the market. As consumers we usually like this because it means most products operate with the same functionality. If you can create a new contact with an iPhone, then you can easily create a new contact on Android phone (lame example but the point remains valid) Eventually there will be a breakthrough design that changes the status quo, and everything shifts to meet that new standard and the cycle repeats.
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12-05-2015, 02:28 AMVoltyblastFor one thing, you're partially correct about the fact that it's not relevant about this thread. However, for what I know the WoW Cash Shop is mostly filled with items that can only be obtained in that shop and are, in general, avoidable.Sure, a lot of them are reskins of existing mounts or pets, but the game alone has more than hundreds of mounts and pets without the shop: it's easy to obtain any mount you want by just farming the raids you want, which is something that this game BARELY does and only applies to Trials and I think A4S. Ah and also pvp but it's been dead since its release.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTANJ
Also, FFXIV, a lot of the cash shop items were free once and the new mounts aren't even new (Sleipnir excluded): heck they're not even reskins, they're just recolored model of the one you get at the end of MSQ! That's lazyness at it's pure finest and like I said in my post, if people buy anything that SE throws at us expect them to deliver even more lazily put together items in the future. We buy it afterall and you can be sure as "eff" that they will take advantage of it, to the point of breaking the game at one point. It won't be today or tomorrow but, if that day happens, I'll be here to say "I told you!"
And yes I'm being pessimistic so don't take me too seriously.
PS: You can argue as much as you want, but FFXIV still remains a WoW clone at its core. Keyword being "the core": everything else is different, but not always in a good way ("cough" hunts "Cough") -
12-05-2015, 08:37 AMMugenMugetsu
I heard WoW and FFXIV are merging. They said it's gonna be Eorzeazeroth: Realm of Warcraft. I dunno about that though. The person who told me was an avid Cash Shop afficianado that was against making purchases in the Cash Shop. They said they felt like one day the game will be pay-to-win if the Cash Shop isn't abolished. This person told me that they have purchased several items from the Cash Shop as they just had to have a lot of the items that can only be obtained via the cash shop, as they are a completionist, and wanted to make sure that they had the items as part of their collections. They did however rant about how they felt like they were made to make their cash shop purchases against their will, due to not being able to complete their collections without making their cash shop purchases.
On a more serious note, I don't care about the Cash Shop. There's nothing there of any interest to me, and the mounts in question, are not really my style. In fact, I rarely ever even use my magitek mounts as I feel that they are too large and take up too much of the screen unless I zoom all the way out. I do feel that it is unnecessary to bash others, or give others grief, for being in favor of the Cash Shop. It's been mentioned 459873498754893 times (Seriously, I counted every mention, in every thread on the forums, and that was the number I got. Don't believe me? Recount!) that the Cash Shop will never be pay-to-win. If there is minion, or a mount, on the Cash Shop that you like, but hate to have to shell out additional money for, I encourage you to buy it. YOLO, right? I see it as being akin to purchasing action figures or vehicles for action figures. Stuff to play with for fun that doesn't contribute anything to the betterment of anything other than your happiness and the bottom line of a business. At least in this case you're contributing to SE and we can hope that the funds will go towards development costs to make the game bigger and better, and possibly even allow SE to fund other projects so they can develop other great games for us to enjoy. -
12-05-2015, 08:40 AMTeryaaniWill I be able to use my ogre piñata and kobold miner nugget thing in the game? If so I'm sold!Quote:
Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu
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12-05-2015, 08:41 AMYasuhiroI don't like WoW but I like Final Fantasy XIV (to an extent)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
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12-05-2015, 09:09 AMFevelleBecause WoW-players want to bring more things from there to FFXIV, when this games should be walking the path to be more of a FF. I see a lot of players saying they don't like certain things because "a MMORPG shouldn't be like this, look at WoW for example".Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
You know Brachiosaur? The one dino that casts meteor? I read a group of WoW players that migrated here saying it was bad design, that SE has "no imagination and create dinos that cause meteors". They didn't even know that the mob came from FFVI where he also casts meteor and is the most powerful normal encounter monster.
It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player. -
12-05-2015, 09:46 AMTeryaaniWhen another game does something that players like and the game you're currently playing doesn't, it's okay to make the comparison. Even if that game is WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
I'm willing to bet that there are number of players that never touched WoW that also never touched FF6. Are you expecting that we've all played all the FF games in order to play this one? If it was a requirement to understand and play this game, the servers would be more of a ghost town than they are now.Quote:
You know Brachiosaur? The one dino that casts meteor? I read a group of WoW players that migrated here saying it was bad design, that SE has "no imagination and create dinos that cause meteors". They didn't even know that the mob came from FFVI where he also casts meteor and is the most powerful normal encounter monster.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you don't actually know that. Hardcore mentality isn't unique to WoW players. The "digust" you're expressing over people who haven't played every step of this franchise is pretty elitist as well.Quote:
It sincerely disgusts me to see people who know nothing about this franchise try to change this game for the worst. All this hardcore raid mentality, elitist mentality, "don't add relics because it's gonna ruin the raids", "MSQ is too big, the game shouldn't require us to do it", all these things, they don't belong in a Final Fantasy game and every time I see them on the forums, they're coming from a WoW player.
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12-05-2015, 09:57 AMEidolonThe idea of a Brachiosaur casting Meteor is silly and absurd - even if it's a throwback to FFVI, it would still be absurd in that game too. I don't really remember FFVI myself very well - but honestly... Are you telling me you don't find something comedic about a Dinosaur casting Meteor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
I gotta say though, I -hate- the Brachiosaur myself. Not from the context of him being a 'rediculous' enemy (far from it, that makes me giggle every time) - I just hated the mechanic of meteor There's no way to prevent it, so it is literally a damage-soak-and-heal-through it mechanic. There are other boss-level enemies in Diadem that actually prove there are interesting mechanics.
When the mamoth spawns, I know whcih of its skills to Silence to prevent it from applying a heavy on everyone so they can better handle its attacks. This is an example of GOOD mechanics. Brachiosaur, though, every time I see it, I role my eyes. There is nothing I can do as a healer, tank, or DPS to handle his mechanic. It is literalyl get hit -> Heal. You can LoS if there is something nearby but that will not always be the case. -
12-05-2015, 10:42 AMkingatlas
No way, Brach is a throw back, mad respect to the devs for that. Anything from old FF's that they put in is respect to people who have played FF, and love the games.
They have to do stuff like that to show people they love the older games too, and that is why they throw that love into this game.
BUT, this is getting super off topic, start a new rant if you want to talk about this. -
12-05-2015, 10:53 AMKaijinRhada
As far as knowing where throwbacks come from go, I don't fault people for that. I don't fault the fact that, for example, the brachiosaur is a throwback to the FFVI enemy (cries forever at farming them), or that the magitek armour is also from VI. I don't fault people not knowing that Krile's namesake is from V, or that Matoya is from the very first of the franchise. Equally when playing WoW, I don't fault people for not playing all three of the RTS and related expansions, and I didn't fault them for not knowing who any of the major lore characters were.
With suggestions, it's not only the franchise people think about, it's the genre, and like it or not WoW is the most successful title in the genre so more people will make comparisons and maybe root some suggestions from said game more so than others. Not only that, what ideas you don't like, some people will, and they're ideas and suggestions. We all have as much right to put them forward as any one else. With that everyone has the right to agree or disagree.
As for the topic at hand, I'm neutral to the cash shop. Some things I want, and some things I don't. As far as development times, I've no problem with recolours of existing mounts on it, but I would have like to see those two in particular in CM and Prae respectively. Oh well. -
12-05-2015, 11:57 AMYasuhiroWell it is true that a majority of XIV players have not played any other Final Fantasy game in the series so many references are lost on them.Quote:
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My time when I was on NA servers when Mor Dhona was the end game area was people whining about how much they miss WoW.
Some people don't even know that Knights of the Round (King Thordan) is from VII o_o
None of the games are connected anyway so it doesn't matter really, just wish people would remember what this game is called.
XIV is a FF game to me first and a WoW clone second. -
12-05-2015, 12:09 PMVoltyblastI do know about the franchise and my username is a proof of my past love not only for Final Fantasy but also for Square Enix games in general. Do "we" disgust you at the point that it bothers your game experience? I ask because, whenever I hear people mentioning how good this community is, here comes someone who hates "us" so much because we lack the "knowledge" of the franchise. That's what we call "Elitism" you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
I play WoW and it has its good and bads. I play FFXIV and it has its good and bads. However, since I'm currently playing THIS game it's a legitimate concern when something isn't working properly, such as the cheap cash in from the shop. But I'm sure that you'll also find others who also will complain and most likely never played WoW in all their entire life. Do they disgust you too, even if some of their points may or may not be correct?
I used to love the franchise but it's these kind of people who made me quit this love. -
12-05-2015, 12:21 PMVelthice
I'd personally this game take more mechanic designs from WoW while keeping the themes of Final Fantasy. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. They both have massive fan bases and extremely excel in their respective areas of engaging mmo gameplay and engaging storytelling/world building. The two should be married, not driven apart, and the hostility the fanbases have towards each other serve no purpose but to make a worse experience for everyone.
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12-05-2015, 12:46 PMYasuhiroWhy would you let people shape your opinion on a game series? lol.Quote:
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12-05-2015, 03:30 PMColorfulDisgust is quite a strong word for something so minor. But many people I play with that started off with FFXIV as their first MMO think Brachiosaur is ridiculous, I'm willing to bet it's meant to be ridiculous. The idea of a dinosaur bringing down its own extinction, do you think the developers of FFVI sat down and thought "Yeah, this isn't a joke at all, people are going to take this super seriously", no, likely not. Final Fantasy is filled with silly things like the Cactuar, Moogles or Goobbues and that's why people love it. To say it disgusts you because people don't share the same taste in you is strange, you're just about the first Final Fantasy elitist I've met. Another thing, 99% of these suggestions are changing it for the worst. Implementing the Artifact system from Legion into the Anima weapons would be a great idea, and would only do to improve the system. Implementing a glamour log would only improve the game, implementing large scale raids would only improve the game, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
Regarding the MSQ, you do realize that the Warcraft has one of the most interesting and in depth lore in a video game franchise? It's leaps and bounds ahead of anything FFXIV could conjure up, which heavily on references and Allagan this Allagan that (although recently it's taken a poor turn), Void Ark has done to improve on non-Allagan lore, I can say that much. I've also seen plenty of complaints about the length of the MSQ from non-WoW players, I'm sorry but when you create a 50+ hour experience for 2.0 alone, and then have 80% of that be filler? Yeah, people are going to be peeved. Not only that, but then there's 2.1-2.55, which again, is 50% filler at the very least, then they have to through the entirety of Heavensward which at least is only 20-30% filler. You don't see why all of that might annoy me a new player?
PS. WoW has dinosaurs too, a lot of them actually. Far more than FFXIV has, and in places that make no sense similar to FFXIV too.