So its 0-2 in the male female glamour department, yay?

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Actually yes i do, if males want more outfits more power to them, But female outfits fit females only for a reason, if that is your thing in real life that is your business but SEs knows cross dressing will never be accepted in this game. and understand why they do favor female outfits more.

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Cool, this thread isn't actually about cross dressing (which is already accepted in the game) so you're among friends here. Let's aim for equal numbers of outfits for everyone together.

P.S. Thanks for bumping the thread too :)

Umm, I dunno, it's kinda hard for me to think of a men' outfit that can't be worn by women, SE must think very very hard to design some outfits to please people who want male exclusive outfits.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

Umm, I dunno, it's kinda hard for me to think of a men' outfit that can't be worn by women, SE must think very very hard to design some outfits to please people who want male exclusive outfits.

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Well, they can either do this or just unlock the existing (and future) female-only pieces, either works. It depends on how much they want to modify them. For example, the bunny costumes can be changed to Chippendale-style outfits which have exactly the same real world connotations but for the opposite sex, and most of the art assets for this already exist on the female outfit or other pieces. The entire Thavnairian Bustier set has had a plethora of fan art with reasonable adjustments to make it suit a more masculine aesthetic and it works pretty well.

Pieces like the Kirimu Coat, when viewed first on a male character, obviously needed some modifications to make them wearable by female characters without wardrobe malfunctions taking place, and pieces like the Evenstar top/stockings were adjusted to fit the team's vision of how male attire should work. That's acceptable, and much better than gender locking pieces without giving the other side something in return. There are a lot of items which have been adjusted to suit the opposite sex better before this recent trend of locking everything away without considering balance.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Well, they can either do this or just unlock the existing (and future) female-only pieces, either works. It depends on how much they want to modify them. For example, the bunny costumes can be changed to Chippendale-style outfits which have exactly the same real world connotations but for the opposite sex, and most of the art assets for this already exist on the female outfit or other pieces. The entire Thavnairian Bustier set has had a plethora of fan art with reasonable adjustments to make it suit a more masculine aesthetic and it works pretty well.

Pieces like the Kirimu Coat, when viewed first on a male character, obviously needed some modifications to make them wearable by female characters without wardrobe malfunctions taking place, and pieces like the Evenstar top/stockings were adjusted to fit the team's vision of how male attire should work. That's acceptable, and much better than gender locking pieces without giving the other side something in return. There are a lot of items which have been adjusted to suit the opposite sex better before this recent trend of locking everything away without considering balance.

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To be honest, the male outfits that are unisex are hardly modified much. The main difference is usually chest covering on the more bare chested sets. Your not really asking for males to wear the female sets but a whole set of new models for the males.

Plus there are still gender locked gear that is male only. I know cause Id love a female version of a few of my character. There are very few sleeveless tops that aren't bikinis for female characters.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Plus there are still gender locked gear that is male only. I know cause Id love a female version of a few of my character. There are very few sleeveless tops that aren't bikinis for female characters.

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We know this though.

What people are asking for is for Square-Enix to stop blatantly favoring females when it comes to gender specific glamour gear.

If you compared the amount of female only to male only gear, you'll realize there's a huge discrepancy between the two.

As an IRL female who likes to play as a male character, I find this so irritating. Every time this happens, I want to fantasia to a female character just to wear and enjoy the new female glamours that come out for while--but I don't want to play as a cat girl permanently, and I hate that I can't enjoy glamouring as much if I play the gender of character I want to play. T^T

I just don't understand how they haven't gotten the message from their player base yet: if you're going to make gender-locked gear, make one for each gender every time. If you've got the resources to design all these girls' outfits, you can take a little bit more time and make a male outfit too. It's so tiring to get excited about new outfits only to find out time and again that my character can't wear them...

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

but SEs knows cross dressing will never be accepted in this game.

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You KEEP repeating this, and people keep telling you it's already perfectly possible to crossdress in this game, and you just repeat it again in your next post. When I get home, I'm going to take some screenshots for you; maybe visual aides will help it sink in.

We're not upset because SE won't let us crossdress, because they absolutely do. We're upset because they're giving us (people who want to look at male characters) less stuff(than people who want to look at female characters).

Blood-Aki has to be a troll. Is there a way to report someone who doesn't contribute discussions and just wants to stir the pot? It feels to me like Donald Trump or the Phelps fundies going to a LGBT rally/parade/event and calling people names.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Blood-Aki has to be a troll. Is there a way to report someone who doesn't contribute discussions and just wants to stir the pot? It feels to me like Donald Trump or the Phelps fundies going to a LGBT rally/parade/event and calling people names.

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Like you? the irony is strong in this one, also, we're still living in that age where troll=someone who disagrees with you.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Blood-Aki has to be a troll. Is there a way to report someone who doesn't contribute discussions and just wants to stir the pot? It feels to me like Donald Trump or the Phelps fundies going to a LGBT rally/parade/event and calling people names.

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Well, you can report posts by clicking on that yellow triangle with the exclamation mark ath the bottom right corner of it (just under the profile details). Other than that, we do have a blacklist here too, although here it's named Ignore. But yeah, they do seem to extract bits of posts that don't even make the actual point and just argue them for the sake of arguing.

If SE have no problem with perverted gear like this:

http://i.imgur.com/bWOPfr8.png

(Still traumatized from my first encounter with Garuda)

They can have no issue with cross-dressing. ._.

Btw. one would expect from the cosplaying nation to be a bit liberal when it comes to these things.

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Originally Posted by Ulfhade

Honestly, I'm looking at this as purely numbers. I don't find the Gold Saucer male only set very attractive, but its male only (Only the Oasis and Riviera though, the Gambler is of course unisex) as a counter to their female only sets (all three are female only), and I find the two fair. Third one, not at all. While I'd prefer to have both gender options as unisex, I accept a male only and female only option. That's fair.

For male glamours, I mean items that are male only such as the Bohemian set, Oasis set, ect. Not anything that is masculine or feminine, but equipable to male characters.

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While the numbers are clearly not "fair", I'm still at a loss as far as what could really be made to equalize the numbers. Male specific outfits aren't exactly abundant in relation to female specific outfits IRL, as far as sources go. I guess since you're going based on numbers, you'd be happy if bucket armors were male exclusive, that sort of thing? Personally, I really don't care for most female-only gear. I'd probably go as naked as possible if I had a male character to glamour. I just think the numbers aren't very important, but rather the substance is. Unfortunately, as I stated, male specific looks aren't exactly overflowing in the world of fashion. I'm fairly sure that the only things most of us would think of is some generic rehash of something already in the game. Maybe someone actually has a unique idea or two, but that's still far from reaching near equal.

Womens fashion is just much easier to work with by default, which is why there is more to it. I mean, imagine someone like Vin Diesel in something like the bunny outfit or something Katy Perry would wear. Humorous, but not exactly appeasing to the eyes for nearly everyone, including much of the gay community. Now think of something that he would look good in, then think if a woman could pull it off as well. Muscle shirts, for example, are widely seen as masculine and sexy on fit men... but put a woman in one, and it's also seen as sexy. Besides that, the concept of "playing barbie", as some folks would say, isn't exactly fun to a lot of male gamers. Mind you, that's an extremely ignorant outlook for many obvious reasons, but it's still one that many (dominantly) male gamers stick to when it comes to attire, but not how the customization of the character model looks, hypocritically. Mind you, I'm all for them making female only attire unisex, as it'd make things a lot more entertaining and expressive, if not to just make the ratio closer to equal, but it's fairly clear why there are understandably more female clothing than male.

My Glamour's are almost always diffrent suits or Armor or one of several "Trench Coat" Glamour's like my Strife Set glamoured with the Garlond Goggles and Odin Weapons (PLD) or the same set with the Balmung on Drk.

Now, as for the female exclusive gear, my main retainer (aka the one I started with at lvl 20) is my "Market Goddess" whom I quite frequently dress up and show off at the FC HQ.

There are options for female "Sexy Fashion" but Male's definitely get the Lion's Share of bad ass armors. Because almost all normal armors look more bad ass on males. (Mage gear, not so much)

C'mon don't bash SE - they even forgot to give us guys pants for this Halloween event - that's how much they care about that ;P

Just oblivious, that's all, designing all the female dresses and just forget the male counterpart

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

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See, the discrepancies in acceptable fashion that bars males from more outfits than females is precisely why there is a lobby of "Just make the female gears unisex too." There really is no reason that a girl can't wear something just as good or even better than a guy - add a bra and any shirtless option is completely acceptable... I have a butch female character that I roleplay and thinking on her wavelength all of the cutesy female styles are disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a male character that loves skirts and showing skin, and if female outfits became available, I'd definitely consider the options.

Spring dress? Drop the big bow and flowers and instead make it a simple sash with the ends hanging loose, and maybe tone down a few ruffles and make it an open collar top instead of one that drapes the shoulders. - Makes it more masculine with minimal changes.

Bunny Outfit? Make the top a vest and remove the bows from the shoes and the tiara from the bunny ears. Voila, more masculine.

Thavnairian Bustier? There's a whole thread of options.

Just because the base concept is feminine doesn't mean it can't be tweaked to suit males. Please give us more options!

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Originally Posted by Terrini

See, the discrepancies in acceptable fashion that bars males from more outfits than females is precisely why there is a lobby of "Just make the female gears unisex too." There really is no reason that a girl can't wear something just as good or even better than a guy - add a bra and any shirtless option is completely acceptable... I have a butch female character that I roleplay and thinking on her wavelength all of the cutesy female styles are disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a male character that loves skirts and showing skin, and if female outfits became available, I'd definitely consider the options.

Spring dress? Drop the big bow and flowers and instead make it a simple sash with the ends hanging loose, and maybe tone down a few ruffles and make it an open collar top instead of one that drapes the shoulders. - Makes it more masculine with minimal changes.

Bunny Outfit? Make the top a vest and remove the bows from the shoes and the tiara from the bunny ears. Voila, more masculine.

Thavnairian Bustier? There's a whole thread of options.

Just because the base concept is feminine doesn't mean it can't be tweaked to suit males. Please give us more options!

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See that's understandable, and as I said, I'm all for that. You gotta remember though that there's more than that argument going on. Some folks, like the guy I quoted earlier, were looking at things by numbers. You are arguing for the option to use female attire on males. Looking at those two arguments, both would essentially be settled by making female-only equips unisex... at least most of them. The swimwear, bikini ones specifically, I can see why there'd be no point to that, given what's already available for males.

Then comes the other argument though. There are folks that are looking for my mentioned "substance" when it comes to glamour. Something that screams "masculine". To them, they cry about the unfair difference of numbers and demand masculine male-only gear to make it equal. That's where I raise the question to them, of what exactly could be done to equal things out in that way, that isn't already in the game?

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

imagine someone like Vin Diesel in something like the bunny outfit or something Katy Perry would wear. Humorous, but not exactly appeasing to the eyes for nearly everyone, including much of the gay community.

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Vin diesel is my mancrush. If he wore a bunny outfit I'd probably still have the most awkward straightboner for him as a man.

No homo though >_> Everyone gets one!

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Vin diesel is my mancrush. If he wore a bunny outfit I'd probably still have the most awkward straightboner for him as a man.

No homo though >_> Everyone gets one!

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Well if you already have a thing for someone, it's a bit different lol. Although I'd say the Katy Perry outfits (like the ones she wore when performing on the Super Bowl) would result in more of a laugh than the awkward boner situation with the bunny outfit. Maybe the awkward boner following the laugh, okay.

oh hey it's this thread again, for now what i can say is we have been given a small sneak peek and haven't seen all of the outfits that may be coming in 3.1 there may be some male only outfits so lets hope and see,

as for everyone else in this thread see you in the almost seemingly mandatory WHERE THE MENS CLOATHS in the sneak peek of 3.2 thread

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Edit: One thing I forgot to ask about, in regards to your alterations to female-only gear. What about the fishnets on the legs for the bunny outfit? I'm assuming we're aiming for what is widely considered masculine that's why. Slacks or tights already exist.

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Frankly, I figured the more masculine equivalents already exist in game as Best Man's Slacks and Lord's Knickers - to make it part of the "set" it would involve adding a little bunny tail. But there has been people ASKING for the fishnets available to guys and this is "making the gear unisex" the same way that the Patrician's set is, and A thong with fishnets seems still acceptable to me while remaining the same item.

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Originally Posted by Terrini

Frankly, I figured the more masculine equivalents already exist in game as Best Man's Slacks and Lord's Knickers - to make it part of the "set" it would involve adding a little bunny tail. But there has been people ASKING for the fishnets available to guys and this is "making the gear unisex" the same way that the Patrician's set is, and A thong with fishnets seems still acceptable to me while remaining the same item.

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Yeah, I agree with that. I personally wouldn't mind the fishnet option for male characters, namely when you consider the already limited usage of it even with female ones lol. We don't actually have thongs in this game, do we? I'd have figured that would be a bit overboard here.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

That's where I raise the question to them, of what exactly could be done to equal things out in that way, that isn't already in the game?

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Easy, make gear sets that only males can equip and stick to that intention during the designing process the same time they're designing female-only sets.

It's a small miracle that Snow's outfit isn't unisex.

There's little they can do to even things out as it is without completely omitting female glamour in the future (and watch the shoe land on the other foot here on the forums... hard) or break down and design male equivalents to all current female-locked gear (unlikely, too much server stress, PS3 limitations and "we have no intentions of implementing this" reasons), but they sure as heck can keep the gap from widening from this point on if they cared.

Something just broke in my mind and I wrote a meandering FAQ about this issue because it's driving me so crazy responding to the same points in every thread even though the vast majority of people generally support the idea of more unisex items for everyone.

http://favoritismfantasyxiv.tumblr.c...s-of-equipment

I'm happy for them to modify the existing female-only items, or to give us extra ones. Anything goes; I'm good at combining glamour items to suit my taste. I'm also happy for them to give the ladies more of the current male-only items (my friend wants the recent Moonfire Faire shorts). So long as it's done fairly.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

What exactly are you expecting here? What if the 'official response' is simply that the design team likes to design female gear over male gear? Are you just going to whine about it being 2015 and some nonsense about equality in a virtual world?

Your subscription affords you the same content as everyone else. There are no restrictions placed on you about what gender you play in the game other than YOUR choices. People around here really need to stop acting like it is the developers that are making these choices for you.

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Considering the "official response" regarding genders back when ARR came out was along the lines of, "We gave both genders the same initial stats, to make sure players can choose the gender they want to play as, and not the one with the greatest benefits," that's... pretty contradictory to the apparent stance of, "Yeah, you can play either gender, but this gender gets a serious advantage in the Fashion End Game."
(And no, stats and glamour isn't the same thing, but it's still a matter of balance between the genders, something they were in favour of before, but then seemingly forgot about when it came to clothes...)

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Yeah, the ratio in most combat-oriented MMOs like Final Fantasy, Everquest, World of Warcraft, is somewhere between 75/25 or 82/18 male/female. Male players just seem to have less of an issue playing female characters than the reverse, for some reason. It's almost as if the "this world favors men all the time" feminist trope is actually not true for pretty much most of relevant life. It could be true for the 1% of wall street people who try to make the poor poorer, but I'm not with them to know if they treat their males like kings and their females like paupers.

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Um... From when are those numbers? Would you mind linking studies pointing to those ratios?
According to one study in 2014, the MMO gender ratio in the US was at approximately 60/40 (m/f) (link)
The same numbers came out in 2009 (blog entry discussing and linking a BBC article regarding it)
And according to the Everquest team (in that 2009 article)... female players had a higher tendency to be more dedicated players, "spending more time each day playing the game than their male counterparts".

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Wouldn't hold my breath tbh.

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I see what you did there :3

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

You'll just have to get over the fact that it will always be that way, it's not generally accepted

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....said men when women wanted to wear pants/trousers in public. And vote.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

And people like you KEEP reading only what you want to read, i was responding to another poster who mentioned it, and no 'cross dressing" isn't in this game, unless you can show me a male character wearing a bikini intended for a female or a bustier. or any other outfit that is CLEARY female only and can be worn on males. you do understand the difference, right? if you're refering to the long skirts and kilts like dungeon gear, those actually look decent on male characters or not as "feminine" as they would being called skirts etc.

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So, wait... skirts aren't considered female clothes anymore? Awesome, that means no one will even look weirdly at me when I go out in a skir....oh wait. They would. And I live in a very open-minded town. Take the average town/city and there'd probably be either verbal or physical abuse.
You can't define "cross-dressing" by saying "this normally female garment doesn't count as crossdressing, because it looks ok on a guy". You can't define "cross-dressing" as "it has to be a female-only piece", because that's akin to telling an average-sized guy IRL that it's not cross-dressing unless he puts on something from that rack labelled "size 0" -- it's not possible, and not because of social norms.

It just doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Easy, make gear sets that only males can equip and stick to that intention during the designing process the same time they're designing female-only sets.

It's a small miracle that Snow's outfit isn't unisex.

There's little they can do to even things out as it is without completely omitting female glamour in the future (and watch the shoe land on the other foot here on the forums... hard) or break down and design male equivalents to all current female-locked gear (unlikely, too much server stress, PS3 limitations and "we have no intentions of implementing this" reasons), but they sure as heck can keep the gap from widening from this point on if they cared.

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That doesn't answer the question at all though. I was obviously pointing out the crowd that is aiming for something masculine to be male exclusive. I stated so right before the part you quoted. A traditional masculine version of the bunny suit? Not exactly plausible. A testosterone driven Thavnairian Bustier set? Yeah, that'll go over well with them. In order to fit the "masculine" appeal, massive changes need to be made to sets like that. If you change those things a lot, they lose their identity. They might as well be separate items, just as the Thavnairian glamour equips have two different sets (the female-only and the unisex), which then raises the question of how well this drastically altered item also looks on a female character... back to square one of that crowd complaining that there's more female than male outfits.

As you said, at least the gap wouldn't widen, but again, my question was in reference to the crowd that seeks non-skirt, non-dress, non-feminine attire to be male-only. You know the type, muscles and heavy armors sort of crowd. They want those things, but they're conjoining it with the other arguments, such as people that want to wear the female-only gear, and clinging to the numbers game to support it.

Know what's really unfortunate? The people I refer to, I've encountered one directly in-game, asking for heavy male-only armors and comparing to how there are so many more female-only glamour gear. When you know... those heavier, masculine armors, tend to be the default look on combat gear. That's the type I refer to when I say they cling to the numbers game. If what they want isn't available, the argument shouldn't be about the gender specific gear, but rather the gear design itself.

This is why I always point out flaws or misconceptions in posts. People may not like that, even if I support the argument, but people really shouldn't try to fall into the ignorant category, even if a hundred people agree with them. It just re-enforces the idea that people don't know what they want or what they're saying, and thus their words shouldn't really be taken very seriously. This is why people should specifically state that they want access to (altered) female-only gear as male characters or, in the more ignorant cases, access to masculine male gear. I call that one ignorant due to how it's very rare for someone to say something more than "just make it manly" sort of a response, or one like the in-game complaint I mentioned. Thus, is why I raise the question of what exactly could be done to do this.

Just to be clear, I get that some people in this thread stated specifically what they're arguing for. The OP though? Nope, and that's exactly what started this tired debate.

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Um... From when are those numbers? Would you mind linking studies pointing to those ratios?

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From there:
http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_genderbend.html

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And according to the Everquest team (in that 2009 article)... female players had a higher tendency to be more dedicated players, "spending more time each day playing the game than their male counterparts".

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I think the Daedalus guy said the same about his own study, though it was a small difference on a huge amount of people. If people play 19 hours a week for male and 24 hours a week for female, what does my 60 hours a week tell you?

For the benefit of Blood-Aki, and anyone else wanting to argue that crossdressing isn't or shouldn't be possible in FFXIV, as I promised.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...psqecjjhtu.png
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http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...psvsont2ts.png
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Just a few outfits I've had over time. In particular the Swansgrace coat (3rd and 4th pictures) had even my own FC mates thinking I'd Fantasiaed into a female character, because that coat is basically a ballgown.

I'd honestly just like more coats and whatnot for casters than the women's-body-in-mind clothing casters get currently.

Hildibrand crossdressed if I remember. I didn't know snow's outfit is male exclusive because I wasn't around when the event was held. But honestly, I can see a woman wearing snow outfit, the design is proper and accepted for a woman to wear. And it's all come back to acceptance again. I do agree about making male version about bunny outfits when a male wears them, just like what they did to nin's af1 armor and few others. I wonder if this "server memory" again which prevents to do so.

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But honestly, I can see a woman wearing snow outfit, the design is proper and accepted for a woman to wear.

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The Lightning outfit could be worn by a guy then. It's proper and accepted for a man to wear. And before someone goes "but but a skirt", I give you the Roman empire. The guys who invented or made popular the skirts on armor. Maybe they stole it from the Greeks.

Honestly, a lot of the outfits seem gender biased. Female characters look A LOT better than male characters. Take the outfit from this All Saints Wake event. It looks terrible on guys IMO, but it looks tailor made for females. I get that there are a lot of female characters out there, but we guys get the short end of the straw on a lot of the outfit appearances.....

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Honestly, a lot of the outfits seem gender biased. Female characters look A LOT better than male characters. Take the outfit from this All Saints Wake event. It looks terrible on guys IMO, but it looks tailor made for females. I get that there are a lot of female characters out there, but we guys get the short end of the straw on a lot of the outfit appearances.....

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Is it actually unique? I thought it was the swimming one-piece reskin with some extra bell's and whistles thrown on it. I might be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Is it actually unique? I thought it was the swimming one-piece reskin with some extra bell's and whistles thrown on it. I might be wrong though.

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I have no idea. I just know that it looks terrible on guys, but it looks good on girls.....

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Like you? the irony is strong in this one, also, we're still living in that age where troll=someone who disagrees with you.

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Says the person who tells other people with conflicting opinions to their own that they should just stop having an opinion and learn to take a point so they can be "happier".

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Are you really that naive? Its not a matter of dodging the issue, there is no issue, its a matter of you being in denial, they are catering to what the playerbase mostly consists of, females (characters, since you have trouble getting points) Once you accept that, you might be a little happier.

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Also a person who basically says that people with an opinion different than them are just crying waaah like babies just because they have an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

i don't cry about trival things that do not go my way, so no, and people are already here crying about it. which is why this topic as well as a few others exist to begin with. "waaaah i want more male gear, i want female gear on males this is unfair!" etc.

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Uh huh...you definitely respect other peoples opinions..../sarcasm


As for topic I am a woman so I mean I like all the glamours we get but I can see it is lopsided and even with statistics....I mean we have two genders in the game. It should just automatically be more equal in my opinion. So they should stop catering to only one side of the coin.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

I have no idea. I just know that it looks terrible on guys, but it looks good on girls.....

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Welcome to RL fashion lol. A lot of the stuff that does happen to look good on guys, often looks good on girls too (even if in some cases, it means a much more adulterated and risque look for a woman compared to a man). It's definitely not a one-way street, unlike the opposite situation. There are many things a girl can wear that would just look odd on a guy for practical, if not obvious visual reasons. Tops that support breasts, for example, are first seen as comedic when worn by a man by almost everyone, particularly due to the fact that those are specifically designed for women for actual functionality.

That aside though, a lot of the time, certain gear that looks bad just needs something to properly compliment it to make it look good. This often means moving it away from the set. When one set is designed with a specific sex in mind, it definitely brings up a matter of what your goal is for your character. Is the new seasonal gear too... effeminate? Which btw is just a slight reskins of existing gear. Then clearly, it's just something you don't want for your character. I mean, this is exactly what everyone should expect to happen when it comes to gear becoming unisex. They've already done the witch look last year and ghosts before that. They chose the witch approach again this year, so it's kinda hard to move away from the design path that ended up with what we have, all things considered lol. Would have been nice to get something better than a reskin, but hey we got a freakin mount... and pet.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

I have no idea. I just know that it looks terrible on guys, but it looks good on girls.....

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It is basically a reskin of already existing ingame pieces. Not from a single set but all already exist in different sets just with small differences.

You know I realised why this issue hasn't registered to me as unfair as it logically is. Its cause female characters either seem to have gender specific glamours that are either bikinis or the type of thing you would dress up a porceline doll in while the unisex sets seem like male sets modified slightly for women. This tends to have lead me to devalue them.

I think if we are to be fair males should have more male specific sets though it means over all females will get less (We cant realistically expect them to suddenly find the resources to produce more sets out of no where). On the flipside I would kill for some female sets that looked practical and good looking sets.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

On the flipside I would kill for some female sets that looked practical and good looking sets.

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i know this is OT but I actually like the male version of the Scylla robes more than the female version.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

But honestly, I can see a woman wearing snow outfit, the design is proper and accepted for a woman to wear. And it's all come back to acceptance again

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I wonder if this "server memory" again which prevents to do so.

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If the server memory cannot handle male characters wearing certain hats (especially hats as slight as the bunny ears) then we're all in serious trouble when it comes to future gear rewards.

I don't buy the acceptance thing since it's so easy to make really kinky outfits for a male character already. The proud male Roegadyn population on my server pioneers new out-of-this-world combos on a regular basis, and my FC mates seem far more worried about my BLM pants than they were when Hildi wore that dress: http://i.imgur.com/sU5xwG1.png

I think it's just obliviousness. They have no idea how unfairly they're treating half of their players.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

From there:
http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_genderbend.html

I think the Daedalus guy said the same about his own study, though it was a small difference on a huge amount of people. If people play 19 hours a week for male and 24 hours a week for female, what does my 60 hours a week tell you?

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The page you linked just stated "We know that 85% of MMORPG players are male" without a clear reference, and the only study linked from that page (the Daedalus EQT study, I believe?) is from 2001 -- and it took me a while to find the date of it. The Daedalus page has also been in hibernation since early 2009 ^^; (March 2009 being the date of the first comment on the "Hibernation" blog entry.)

Also, since the EQT study was regarding Everquest only, I'm not surprised it said the same ^_~
I'd say it should compare to my female flatmate, who spends about the same amount or more =D I don't always keep track, since I'm taking a semi-break right now due to health issues, and thus only spend about 10 hours a week online (or thereabouts) ^^;
(She does her daily roulettes (all of them, including hest) on three different alts x_x Plus capping red gathering scrips every week. I don't know if I could manage that for longer than a day or two.)

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Originally Posted by Eloah

So I saw some things from the live letter. Here is a link that shows some of what was shown,

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/10/25...-of-verminion/

Anyway, when patch 3.1 drop female characters will get not 1 but 2 gender specific glamours. They will get the mogstation exclusive Minfilia outfit, and they get another bunny outfit. And in all this time nothing has been given to guys, I feel so special, lol?

What are everyone's thoughts on this? More glamours are always nice, but why are the guys neglected so much.

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Thank you for mentioning this, I wasn't aware of the Exclusive Minfilia outfit. Exclusive outfits in the cash shop was kinda where i drew the line on staying subscribed. So thank you for this thread, glad I caught it before I paid for next month.