Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

I just find it funny that SE likes to add insult to injury by having event reward items be housing items.

Yup, I have a whole retainer full of stuff for my house. I still want one and havent given up.

OP, I find it hard to be entirely sorry for you or others that complain about availabilty. Are you wrong for doing so? Not entirely , and SE "could" have did it different, but at the same time you accept responsibility for the situation alil because you choose to remain on a populated server. They cannot and should not cater to the populated servers for housing when people willingly continue to move migrate towards these full servers. The demand for small houses will never be met on those high pops and people seriously need to understand and accept that.

As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either.

Let's also be honest about something, someone brought up an example of what if they got on the big pop server without knowing? Well, if they didnt know to begin with, then how did they find the window of time to make an account when these servers are usually majorily throughout the day closed? Would there be lucky (or unlucky) people to get through in that off chance they signed up it was open? Probably, it's also probably not that many people. Let's not ignore friends trying to connect with friends on populated servers who come into the game and said friend joining is not informed about things like this beforehand only to make a complaint thread on the forums.

I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on so do yourselves a favor and save up about 15m (If your on a high pop) before they announce new housing areas and be there at server launch too. Also it is very easy to make big money fast in this game. If you choose not to do the activities daily , especially crafting, that reward players with big gils then that's no ones fault but your own.

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OP, I find it hard to be entirely sorry for you or others that complain about availabilty. Are you wrong for doing so? Not entirely , and SE "could" have did it different, but at the same time you accept responsibility for the situation alil because you choose to remain on a populated server.

As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either.

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Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.

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Sarcasm and frustration aside (sorry bout that.) I do realize its because of the server I'm on but myself and a few others are legacy and couldnt transfer off a legacy server at first, and all those servers are crazy full like this. It's not like I picked this server cause I wanted to be overcrowded. I got merged here during 1.0 when servers shrank so coming here wasnt even my choice. A couple members also like to RP and there is a good RP community here (That could be fixed as well if SE could just slap a "RP" label on a server or two per data center)

I just felt like if they did personal housing differently then the FC situation wouldnt be an issue either. Again, i'm not a dev so I dont know what all went into this content. But I would like to say, this is the ONLY thing I have ever griped about regarding this game. All in all, I can live with not having a house, for now. I remembered Yoshi-P saying the housing team was working on the Golden Saucer, so now that they are finished, I wanted to bring this up again in hopes they will at least add a few more wards or something...

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As for new people coming into the mix is it fair for them? Maybe not but at the same time just because you come in later that doesn't mean you get seniority either. Doesn't work like that in real life either. I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on soDoesn't work like that in real life either. I'd imagine they're gonna add new wards later on so do yourselves a favor and save up about 15m (If your on a high pop) before they announce new housing areas and be there at server launch too. Also it is very easy to make big money fast in this game. If you choose not to do the activities daily , especially crafting, that reward players with big gils then that's no ones fault but your own.

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Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

I've actually chosen not to get a private house in addition to the FC mansion my group has, in order to keep the houses available for individuals and other FCs. Glad I made that decision.

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Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.

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You're right. Doesn't make sense to do that but it also doesn't make sense to make a complaint thread about it when this sort of demand should be expected on a high population server. What did you think was going to happen?
Would you be on the ball enough to get a house next time when they add new wards again?

You're allowed to be frustrated because SE could have implemented it better. No one will deny that. However, what we have at the moment is what we have, and it's time to accept the situation no matter where you're located. You as well as others can only hope they either add more with time, or adjust the housing system. Just make sure you're ready next time as soon as it's announced.

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Lol, ya. I guess all 21 of us could pay for server transfers just to get a house. My bad. I guess I'm just lazy and expecting too much.
Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

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Known issues regarding high population servers. If I was on a high pop, I would expect this scenario automatically every. single. patch. especially if you say the housing is getting blown out like that well, sad to say you're playing a luck game now.You don't exactly have to but remaining, staying in that situation, well now you should understand how this plays out already.

Maybe you shouldn't "have to" deal with this cause you're a paying customer but as of now, it is what it is.

Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

In regards to using FC rooms for your housing, I would like to point out that not everyone is in a FC, and not every FC has a house. And personally, I dislike the idea of using a FC room as my house because it is something that you "own" subject to the whims and behavior of others.

There is clearly some sort of issue with having loads of housing instances though. :( Personally, I think it'd be nice compromise if they added personal rooms to the Gold Saucer -- sort of like how a lot of casinos/theme parks have affiliated accommodations. To encourage people to still use FC rooms, it could be somewhat pricier (500K-1 mil?). You could stable your Chocobo with an NPC, and maybe have the ability to add a small window box for a limited amount of gardening.

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Thanks for adding to your last post...

Well i guess it is my fault then. It's my fault the servers cant handle being bombarded, my fault they implemented a casual content system that is a first come first serve, my fault I don't want to break up our group or make everyone shell out more money to SE to transfer. I know I am not alone in this. Sorry to have wasted your time with this thread.

Also, I have never said anything about being a paying customer ergo I deserve anything. I wasnt trying to be selfish in my thread, if i came across that way, I apologize.

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I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

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Yes, usually when you CHOOSE to opt out of money making opportunities, often that leads to you having to cope with the consequences of not being able to purchase the things you'd like..
Don't say that like you had some moral obligation to pass up an opportunity to make some virtual currency..

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So disregarding that 50 CUL is nowhere near "basic crafting", the Duty Roulette, Challenge Log, and Treasure Maps might make you 50k a day on average, and Ehcatl Sealant isn't exactly the hottest stuff on some more populated servers...

Look, I'm proud of you for capitalizing on a server market need but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion of what your average casual player experiences.

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Well, considering the game as a whole.. CUL 1 star crafting is really basic. I don't know how casual you like to play your game, but it takes about 60 leve allowances and under 6 hours to get a crafting class to level 50. It's not nearly as time consuming as leveling up a combat class.

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This is a bit of an idiotic response. By this reasoning anyone that joined the game after housing was released is not expected to be able to get a house?

SE really should have left the wards to FCs and given personal houses there own entirely instanced system. Anyone saying they don't have the resources to do that please look at every other MMO with instanced housing.

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Not exactly, new comers don't really have the chance to join full servers anyway, and new servers usually still have plenty of housing plots available. The numbers ARE dwindling every day and Jenova's about to run out of small plots on the main divisions and subdivisions have maybe a dozen or so left, but that's bound to be gone soon too. but if you're willing to work at it, you can still buy a house on the new servers. is it fair that you get to miss out on content because you started playing the game late? No, but it's unavoidable.. I never got the full experience in any of the pve content because everything is pretty much face roll and that's to be expected, I can't ask everybody to be restricted to i60 when going to labyrinth of the ancients.. and don't even get me started on Castrum and Praetorium..

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All small houses are gone on Atomos, a supposedly LOW pop server. So, the "you're on a high pop server" argument doesn't hold up. :/ SE could've done this in a better way. Let's agree to that at least...

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Ehh, buy a medium sized one then. Still plenty of those to go around.



I guess I find it hard to relate to all the woes of people on legacy servers because Jenova is quite empty and has a very expensive MB as well. But is there really nobody that's selling houses? Don't some people want to move away from that server? I imagine there would be a mass exodus every time new content patch arrives and there's hours of queue to just get in the game. Maybe SE failed to implement a successful free server transfer to alleviate the server loads..

But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.



If i may suggest one last attempt at getting a house before expansion (I imagine getting a house in expansion will only be more difficult for you
maybe find an FC or a person who owns the house that's thinking of transferring off of the server, or quitting the game altogether.

There's bound to be a few that plan on quitting once the expansion hits for whatever reason..

If you save up about 60 million gil I think you can pay the relinquish fee + medium plot.
Of course, if the person's just simply up and quitting or moving off the a different server their prices may be significantly lower..

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I wasn't trying to sound like an ass but rather giving you a logical response. There's some fault with SE for not having a better system in place, and there's some fault on the persons who choose to stay in this situation even if it was initially unwillingly. It's going both ways at this point. You and everyone else who despises the current housing setup, can only hope SE listens more and makes adjustsments. Granted I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on what they would be willing to do to accommodate all the current players and those to come without adding quite a lot of money to their budget.

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It just came across, to me, as quite condescending and "victim blaming". I dont expect you should read the whole thread before commenting but I have acknowledged almost all the points you make, I'm not blind to them or ignorant of them. I think there are many factors and situations that your "Logical Response" does not take into account. like;

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myself and a few others are legacy and couldnt transfer off a legacy server at first, and all those servers are crazy full like this. It's not like I picked this server cause I wanted to be overcrowded. I got merged here during 1.0 when servers shrank so coming here wasnt even my choice.

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I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up (at which point i checked the forums and saw people saying my server was already sold out.)

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I would like to point out that not everyone is in a FC, and not every FC has a house. And personally, I dislike the idea of using a FC room as my house because it is something that you "own" subject to the whims and behavior of others.

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The whole system was not designed to be an all access content. Now, if SE can offer everyone on the High Populated servers a free server transfer, we will organize and take it in a heartbeat. As Nice as a house would be, its not gamebreaking, just heartbreaking. I was looking forward to it so much. I'm really hoping more wards will be added in heavensward and if so, I will be there hitting F5 like a mad man trying to get in and I will get at least our FC house. I will still feel bad for the ones who missed out because its a real shitty thing to miss out on housing, gardening, chocostables, FC crafting, FC airships, FC bonuses, and whatever else they are going to tie to the housing system in the future.

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But I must admit, way most people complain about housing, it sounds like they simply do not have enough gil to find a way around it (Pay triple to have person relinquish, buy a medium instead of small, etc.. ) In this case, OP seems to be in a bind that just simply sucks, but that has not been my usual interaction with people who say the rent is too damn high, which is why I often react in such a way.

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For me, it has NEVER been about the cost of the house, it's the availability of "personal" housing. FC housing having limited space, i'm ok with but personal houses should have been available to every adventurer. Lock it behind story line quests, or some outrageous requirements but make it something everyone can get if they worked towards it. right now, even if you had the money, you might not even be able to get the house.

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I find your forum name incredibly appropriate for your 'argument'...

Anyway, to keep this post on-topic, I'm feeling a bit salty about the housing system myself right now, because up until a couple months ago I was on the Hyperion server. After a great deal of saving and scrimping and scrimping and saving, and playing the market board as much as I could, I finally got 5 million gil, just in time for the Subdivisions to be released. With that money, I was able to buy a nice house in the Goblet overlooking the valley. It was a bit small, sure, but it was enough for me.

And then all my friends transferred off Hyperion.

Now, these were actual friends, not just "People I met on the game". We know each-other outside the game, have been in a few other MMOs together, and so yeah, I wasn't going to stay in Hyperion after they'd all left. So, now I'm on Excalibur, without a house, and without any available housing plots even close to my price range. I'm in an FC and have a Personal Room so it's not all bad, but dangit, I was just starting to get the hang of gardening...

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Lol yes, wouldn't have it any other way :)
That's currently what my main gaming consists of in ff14, making gil.

I'm usually an end-game pvp'er with crafting on the side to supplement my pvp money drain, but since pvp in this game is non-existent, I've pretty much just been doing crafting and it's treated me well.
I understand that most other people don't play this game for crafting and that's where I'm failing to make the connection. Some people won't even spiritbond because it's boring and my attitude is suck it up and do it for money. (Of course we can go into a long debate about why you'd have to do something you don't want to do in a game that's supposed to be for your enjoyment etc. etc. long discussion) But ultimately, if you want something that badly I'd work at it. Of course, in specific cases like the OP's.. It requires a lot more work than what I've had to do to get my houses..

Speaking of friends.. They're the one who dragged me away from WoW where I was perfectly content and the main culprit skipped out on me over to stupid Hearthstone so I can definitely empathize with having crappy friends who ditch you hmph.

Telling people to transfer servers if they want a house is essentially telling people to give SE a cash incentive not to fix the problem it is responsible for.

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Telling people to transfer servers if they want a house is essentially telling people to give SE a cash incentive not to fix the problem it is responsible for.

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Except, to the extent that housing availability acts as an incentive for people to spread out to the underpopulated servers, SE is probably fine with it or even set it up that way intentionally.

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Except, to the extent that housing availability acts as an incentive for people to spread out to the underpopulated servers, SE is probably fine with it or even set it up that way intentionally.

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If SE wanted to drain players from large servers they would use free transfers like every other big MMO.

I highly doubt Ishgard won't have a housing area. Just wait for that.

I still think personal rooms should be linked to your "inn room" and be expandable (Once you join a FC link to there and if your booted back to inn room with no penalties to access to your room) Giving people incentive to have housing and play with furnature while saving the physical exterior housing for companies.

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Telling people to transfer servers if they want a house is essentially telling people to give SE a cash incentive not to fix the problem it is responsible for.

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Except, to the extent that housing availability acts as an incentive for people to spread out to the underpopulated servers, SE is probably fine with it or even set it up that way intentionally.

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That is only true if there is enough housing available to provide a home for every single player at the target population level SE is aiming for on a server.

Is there? Otherwise the problem persist no matter how balanced the server populations become, and the fault rests with the developers for not providing either enough homes or enough servers.

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Person who does not start to work on making gil until well after housing is released is surprised that all the plots are gone and taken by people who wanted a house and started working on making gil when housing was announced.

Haven't we seen this thread before?

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Ah the housing topic again. I feel like complaining again so I will!
First of all, I personally didn't think the housing would cost an arm and a leg thank you very much.
We had a very short amount of time to get money too, it was very last minute when they told the price.


Secondly, if you were on Balmung then you were SoL about 10 mins after servers went up.
Meds/Large were near impossible to gain on your own. Even legacy peoples didn't have a whole bunch of gil.
Too late now because FC's took em.
I said this a million times before. It's FLUFF CONTENT, it shouldn't cost 32490230 gil for a house, it should be free actually
and all your gil would go to home decor. If they couldn't find a way to please everyone, should of had instanced/Mog house type of deal. Which we have been saying for a long time.
Don't say "Oh yeah FC has a room" I don't wanna decorate a tiny ass room, I want my whole house to myself. Plus that is forcing players to be in a FC.
It's not fair. There is no reason whatsoever housing should be treated as some...hardcore/end-game type of BS. I've been mad for the longest about this.
A house is gated for a ton of people. LOL.

This is why events suck balls too. Only like 0.1% of the games pop [Yes I'm throwing out randoms numbers because qq.] even own a house.
So dumb.

Edit: I laugh at the people blaming us for being on x server and saying "well you shouldn't of been on a populated server."
Here's my main response to that:
http://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif
I have nothing else to say to that tbh...Just lmao.

You needed 6 million gil? I only needed 2.5 million gil, for both the house and the land.

Did anyone else read the thread title in the voice of Dr. Zoidberg?

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Prices are dependent on which world you're on (or potentially which world cluster), plus how long it's been since the plot became available (plus to some extent how 'desirable' the plot location is, though I'm not sure how this was determined). For a world with a higher population (or a low-population world where a larger percentage of the population are interested in personal housing) you can't wait for too long for the plot to devaluate, or someone will snap it up before you.

If you got it for 2.5mil, then congratulations. =) Here on Phoenix, that wouldn't even be close to enough. Maybe around 4mil, if it's one of the cheapest small plots, but... there aren't very many (if any) of those left ^^; I haven't looked at all the subdivisions since I personally am not interested in a private house. I have my FC house and that's enough for me.

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It is dependent on the server. Houses on Legacy servers got three times as much. A small house on Lamia is like 1.8 million gil now.

LOTRO and Aion(according to my friend who plays) both have non instanced housing with enough for most or all players to have.

Why can't we have this here, in a subscription game?

On my server only have Big slot, with 40+m GIl.

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LOTRO and Aion(according to my friend who plays) both have non instanced housing with enough for most or all players to have.

Why can't we have this here, in a subscription game?

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Can't speak for LOTRO but Aion housing is quite expensive and comes with a hefty weekly maintenance fee. It is a huge money sink for those that wish to maintain one - which is a turn off for alot of players.

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LOTRO and Aion(according to my friend who plays) both have non instanced housing with enough for most or all players to have.

Why can't we have this here, in a subscription game?

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Or like FFXI, Rift, and Wild Star which are not limited at all and have at least some very low entry restriction options.

Hope Yoshida changes his statement on his happiness where the system is at, as it is currently "meh" by comparison IMO.

I am not in a hurry to get one. Or get to bent out of shape that I can't. But instead of belittling the OP or others respect that they are trying to get the system changed. They were lied to and marginalized. Unless they complain more they are not going to expect any response. Hell from the pr division of the company i work for response to issues "It isn't a problem unless someone officially complains. And no employees don't count"

With that said maybe its time for SE to have a sticky at the top, merge all the threads and delete future threads about housing. It seems to still be a hot button topic. A little forethought could clean this mess up on the forums.

FFXI's mog houses were much like the private rooms - just one big open space. No lawns. Decorating was severely limited because your furniture shared slots with your storage space, including gardening pots. (Also, gardening was not worthwhile below level 20 because of nerfs made due to gardening bots.)

About the only better thing about it was that it was free and available at level 1 in your home city.

Why was it free? Because it was the only place you could check your mail, change your job, or retrieve things from your storage moogle. XIV has no such restrictions on class changes, mog mail, or your retainers (you can check those at any public mail box or summoning bell and change classes anywhere you want.)

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Can't speak for LOTRO but Aion housing is quite expensive and comes with a hefty weekly maintenance fee. It is a huge money sink for those that wish to maintain one - which is a turn off for alot of players.

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I find that preferable to the way it is in FFXIV. First person to a plot gets it, and it still costs a ton of money. Plus we need more gil sinks.

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Now that Golden Saucer is released, I hope the team can now look at tweaking the housing system, even if it just means adding more Wards to the highly populated servers.

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Its been a mission of mine for housing to be overhauled to match the far superior housing design in Rift from the start.

Housing can be a far more engaging , enjoyable and long lived addition IF it is redesigned from what we have presently.

It needs massive rework.

That said I think its good to see the op, limitations of availability to me, is unacceptable, nothing less then that. and players should never stop reminding se just how bad limiting a feature like this is.

Crowded server or not, all should have access to it, at all times. I would take a housing rework over another dungeon, gs mini-game, raid or primal atm...it is equally important to me and would be to many others who have a creative bone in their body, if it was engaging and allowed for actual player creativity.

/support op concerns 100%

One thing I do wish they would implement for private chambers is a little hydroponic table top garden that has maybe 2 slots for very minimal crossbreeding.. but still SOMETHING for people to try out gardening with.

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I find that preferable to the way it is in FFXIV. First person to a plot gets it, and it still costs a ton of money. Plus we need more gil sinks.

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Well, I made a thread about it

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-do-you-think

It was not well received

Seems I'm an odd one out then. Ah well, nothing new there.

Still, housing in this game is pretty much a failure compared to some others. I think most of us can agree on that.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60152067.jpg

Funny timing: Someone in my FC this morning just announced that they saved up enough gil for housing but they couldn't find any available >.>

I feel bad. Such a frustrating situation. SE should really have planned better and should be adding plots on a regular basis - even if only to higher population servers. SE is entirely to blame for any population disparity - as a paying customer I hold them responsible for managing the game's balance and resources. Some of it is up to me but the playing field should be somewhat level.

TBH I would have left my server a long time ago but two things stopped me. First was the dollar amount, second was the fact that I would have lost two thirds of the gil I had saved towards a personal house. SE doesn't make it easy ; ;

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Regarding your "Seniority" post, thats actually exactly how its working. Only those who have been here the longest and accumulated the wealth and were on at the right time, get the houses. and it makes me laugh to say "It's no ones fault but my own" Less than an hour after servers went live, plots were sold out. I guess It is my fault I had login issues for the first two hours of the servers coming back up so I gave up and logged in at 7am instead of the 3am it went live.

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It is not. However it is, your ''own fault'' (choice) of being on a high population server. Let's be realistic here: plot availability is most of a problem for the high population servers. However larger population means you get a lot of advantages we don't have. (IE: easier to find groups, FCs, LS)

Personally I'm not sure why SE didnt implement more houses for larger servers.
It is still your own choice to be on a larger server, with its advantages and disadvantages tho.

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*they're

If all of your wards are full, then SE should be implementing additional districts. That was the plan from the get-go. Maybe they will bring us some new wards in 2.55?