So why can't you? You admit that there are bad players out there in DF but you chose not to try to find the good players and keep mingling with the bad players? Why? What sense of pride would you get from beating content with these people, no, STRANGERS? What difference is there, when you roll around for dozens of hours sporadically in DF until you hit jackpot and win t5/titan ex in one duty, versus you spending dozens of hours finding people that are equal or better than you and then beating t5/titan ex in one duty with them? You're still 'wasting time'.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeroSamson
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07-31-2014, 07:48 PMGardes
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07-31-2014, 07:52 PMHeroSamsonI stick with them till the end of time win or lose I don't leave cause I can't win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
Not really because there are no good players in this game only the ones who go in blind, because then you wouldn't rely on video, wouldn't rely on others who have already done it.
Going in blind and figuring it out those are the good players.
when you don't run something at the same framerate as everyone else expect mess ups.
To tell someone you beat it and stop asking for hand outs, what did you guys do? did you go ask other players who knew what they were doing for help? sounds like a hand out.
they pay money for SE to produce content, so them asking for something is it wrong, you beat the content right so whats the problem?
I mean SE will some how make a hard mode and a extreme probably later. -
07-31-2014, 07:59 PMHeroSamson
I mean so far I have always been last to die usually, I don't get mad or throw fits but I can see others get frustrated and start to give up.
when that starts to happen, this will not only effect you, this will effect others and then nobody will have content to play because everyone is not in the same place or part that you are or haven't unlocked a thing.
How about this logging on one day finding out you been searching for a duty for 10 hours or looking for a party finder for same amount of time because nobody has stuff completed cause it will pile on.
Trust me I seen this happen in Final Fantasy 11 and people flagging up with no party's, people refusing to help cause the content was too hard or they didn't care for whatever item it drops cause they already have it.
Then people like you who do PF decide to only run with their crowd never do a duty finder on their server.
Then some of your set leaves and its hard to find others to do it with because they have a set.
I am the person who helps the people who need it the most so you guys can get players to your part of the content.
All I am saying.
Also just think of the night time players how hard it is to get into dungeons but finally getting one and dying then having to sit there for another 2 hours I mean not worth the money if you ask me. -
07-31-2014, 08:05 PMUrielparadox
Harsh anger for no reason
"Twintania is out of view you can't see which way it divebombs for one even with camera zoomed out."
Incorrect, You have to angle and adjust your camera(super easy) and you can see where twin is coming from. however you can always see her if you want to.
"People press up perfectly against the wall, though even when the icon appears and everyone runs out perfect they end up being hit."
Wrong as long as everyone is in the right place it won't randomly screw up. There are certain players that have a habit of standing too far forward, and when divebombs hit the party accuses everyone else and says hes not to far forward. refusing to adjust himself, repeatedly causing wipes. The problem is he likes to sit right at the line and so sometimes hes just .1cm too far forward and he refuses to go further back because hes scared he will hit the wall.
"Echo buff don't make me laugh, that is a smoke screen to make you feel comfortable there is no way it helps out with this fight."
completely wrong, this makes death sentence a joke and impossible to 1 shot the tank. It makes conflags something you don't have to worry about, assuming your dps react and attack conflags. If you think it's a smokescreen, then lol, their are multiple 1 shot mechanics, that are no longer 1 shot, their are dps checks, that will can't really be called dps checks with this much of a boost. The only thing I see people die to now are mechanics such as divebombs and twisters.
"ps3 or someone who may still have a GT graphics card or use a laptop that doesn't run at 60 frame per sec will not see things exactly as you see them, when the icon appears it could be late for them causing people to move slow."
This is partially true however these players know the problem exists with their system and compensate. I used to play at 32 fps when I first downed t5 because my hard drive was corrupted. Fixed up my laptop now i'm at 52, and in twintania no issues. Dive bombs give plenty of warning even at 32 fps to dodge, titan does not though. I use to have to fight titan almost purely on memory because if I reacted when stuff appeared I would be dead, but I still got win.
"What cracks me up is the ones who won, those people probably weeded out the bad players and went to PF for a easy no hassle run and act like they are bad ass but suck because they have to rely on other good players to pass something."
I have won with my static, I have helped others, I weeded out players that I didn't work well with, or after 15runs was the only person failing divebombs, failing twisters, other reasons the player need to pay attention, to get my first win, then I took my knowledge and I helped others who I do work well with get the win, so they could teach their group the fight.
"I wouldn't gloat if I were you, try beating it with some messed up players or no chat program then come gloat. "
We have FC members who don't use Chat programs, and I have had wins in pugs and helping people, with people who don't. Why? because I can respond without someone else calling things out. -
07-31-2014, 08:37 PMRemilia_NightfallSorry, but I disagree :/ A single mistake by someone in Melusine means an instant wipe. This is hardly true for Titan. A mistake can make you fall down, yes, but the encounter can still be completed by your companions especially with the echo buff and the current ilvl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urielparadox
If you screw up during Melusine, the entire party is most likely done for.
Fail at not stoning your party? Wipe.
Fail at stoning renauds? Wipe.
Fail at Petrifaction? Wipe.
Fail at not dispelling the debuff? Wipe.
The only thing Titan EX can do to wipe the party is its Ultimate, and the dps check on the heart is a collective effort, not a personal one, so it's more lenient than 90% of Melusine mechanics. -
07-31-2014, 08:47 PMDivine_Intervention1) People who haven't cleared it by this point - No. Some, like myself, have just beaten titan ex, after a month of grinding it and learning it, and developing a good party. Have just started T5 with said group, we'll get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardthorne
2) 2.4 none of that content will offer useable - You're really forgetting the fact that at patches, we see a big increase of new players, they are going to be going through it again.
3) Nerf to the point no effort is required - Hell no. People have had enough hand holding done recently. Where's the achievement in it. I personally remove any echo buffs possible when i fight this stuff. -
07-31-2014, 08:55 PMSeibahI've farmed Twintania while on PS3 while listening to music (so no speak programs)Quote:
Originally Posted by HeroSamson
it's literally just called focus target and watching the cast bar
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07-31-2014, 08:58 PMGardesI'm gonna have to disagree with you too. Accidental stoning doesn't always lead to a wipe. It depends who got stoned. One of our last t7s, I ran as a dragoon and got accidentally stoned by the bard, barely missing the tank. Twice in one attempt and we still won it. They give you up to 8 seconds to reach to the stoning debuffs. Way more than enough for someone with across the globe latency like me. No such thing with titan ex, gotta memorize the patterns and react pre-emptively. You ask me what melusine's rotation is, if there is one, I wouldn't know. They can all be reacted to on the spot. Circle blade doesnt even hurt that much. Melees can easily regain lost hp for not dodging it with bloodbath and no heals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
Sure, titan ex doesnt always guarantee a wipe if a few member goes off the cliff, but that still depends on who gets shot off the platform too. Plus the slide aoe is big and there's also bombs that also tends to catch multiple people. Yeah sure, t7 has mechanics designed to cause a wipe intentionally, so does t8 but that turn requires much much less twitch reaction and depends way less on the player's latency. Plus you're taking echo into account. It's just not a fair comparison. -
07-31-2014, 10:47 PMRemilia_NightfallI guess it all comes down to personal experience, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
At any rate, we are talking about the situation NOW, so the presence of echo in extreme primals cannot be disregarded. Echo is already a huge buff to dps, healing and tank checks, which is of course not present in Second Coil.
Content IS ALREADY easier than how it was at the beginning.
Where do we draw the line? At what point can we finally say "ok, this can't really get more easier than this without completely destroying the nature of the encounter"?
Honestly, no matter how much you nerf content, there will ALWAYS be someone who finds it too difficult despite all the nerfs. And while I absolutely agree on the fact that older content should become progressively easier as time goes on (which is something that naturally happens due to ilvl increase), I do not think that everything should become 100% faceroll.
It's just counterproductive and definitely not fun. If SE nerfs extreme primals or t5 more, in a short while we will have hordes of people whining that t6 is too hard. Then t7. Then t8. And on and on and on.
Hell, it's not even a matter of being casual or not. At this point it's just a matter of being able to ****ing play a game that does not ask you to just slam your cat against the keyboard.
My FC is not hardcore by any stretch of imagination, we are all adults with real life relationships and full time jobs - yet we are on t9, after of course months of sweating and swearing. What good would it do having easier content? We would just burn out quicker and we would end up finding another game to play.
Making things too easy is detrimental, in the long run. -
08-01-2014, 10:49 AMabzoluut
Since you mentioned Twintania, here you go, 4 manned.
http://youtu.be/_anqI7oY7nc
People keep forgetting to actually learn a fight, part of an MMO. Finding people to do that with, part of an MMO. -
08-01-2014, 12:07 PMWelsper59This is part of the reason I wish we can enter dungeons without using DF. It's so much fun to under-man stuff, and you really don't trivialize anything... in fact, you more often make it harder for yourself in doing so. There may be a few fights where less is easier, but they probably also come with enrage mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
I can sort of understand the aspect of preventing people from finding ways to solo things like leveling dungeons, but honestly... if they're enjoying what you make in a way that does NOT harm the game for others, it's really not a big deal. Heck, in many lights, it's least efficient to do it that way anyway. I soloed places like Haukke Manor normal as my SCH while leveling, and it was a lot of fun. Efficient to level with? Hell no, although it was still pretty damn decent given the enjoyment. -
08-01-2014, 01:51 PMHavenchild
I'm not sure why people really say twin was nerfed to the ground. The fight was much more mechanics based then purely DPS check and it still is. Echo only lightened some DPS efforts and with slightly less mob HPs. T5 wasn't really made that much easier. You still die to conflags +fireballs , twisters, divebombs, dreadknights, not much that a slight HP nerf to snakes influences.
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08-01-2014, 02:52 PMFelessanThe content *gradually* made easier. You not only getting Echo buff, you are also increase overgear as time goes forward. As well as number of educated people.Quote:
Originally Posted by seriously
Let's take Titan HM for example. It was hard in 2.0, relatively hard in 2.1. Even at the beginning of 2.2 (already with Echo) 2-3 out of 5 DF parties fails to kill it in 2-3 tries and party breaks up. Now I rarely see even a single wipe, it's completely passable with just 3-4 people staying alive, especially if you managed to kill heart.
All SCoB fights much more unforgivable as one person mistake not only might lead to death of said person, but also the rest of party will get consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff
In T6 Rafflesia buffs for damage every time person got eaten, in T7 there are so much insta-kill petrification mechanics, in T8 rockets, binds, improper tower activations, allagan field - all of them can wipe party even if only one person at fail. And in T9... almost every mechanics will lead to problems for whole party even if only one person unskilled and ignorant.
The fight is so much easier with echo and gear upgrade. Now you really only need to watch out for divebombs and twisters. You can pass it with mediocre preforming players, you can easily carry people through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havenchild
With 100+ weapon and buff it's requires significant underperformance from DPS to not kill conflag/snakes/knights in time. With all that buffed HP you can miss 2 or 3 hits by fireball on last phase and still be fine. Tank with all new gear and echo can just stand at twintania even if he is a target for fireballs and survive without HG. You have zero chance to see enrage now.
The only things that really stays are oneshot mechanics and before it was only part of fight and even not the biggest one. -
08-01-2014, 03:23 PMDwillIf people can 4 man it now, I'm sure 8 persons putting some semblance of effort can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havenchild
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08-01-2014, 04:47 PMKagatoAC4 manned by 4 people in full 110 gear / second coil loot. yeah that counts.. for the love of god the Bard has 7k hp..Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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08-01-2014, 04:52 PMHeroSamsonI noticed that also, also less people to worry about a whole party I say this because they had time to put the fireballs into the conflag with a 8 man the conflag appears and if you don't kill it in time the person dies or you'd be lucky to get a fireball to increase the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by KagatoAC
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08-01-2014, 04:57 PMCyrus-WallaceAnd judging by the timer (check the top-left corner), it took some time to win that fight with that setting. Nothing to brag about, tho, the gear in that video is an obvious overkill for that content.Quote:
Originally Posted by KagatoAC
In any case, I see a lot of people and groups struggling with T5. I don't know what the heck are you people talking about. If your group can manage it, it doesn't mean that everybody can! We usually queue up for T5 with a 7/8 to help an unfortunate soul to get their win. But, it wouldn't be a surprise if that content gets nerfed. That would be lame, since T5 is still a fun fight, imo. -
08-01-2014, 05:08 PMRaffounz
Twintania is a joke these days... We usually 7-man this even at full 90. We left ppl out of the fire wall for safer carry. We solo healed and tanked it in 7 minutes. We solo tanked with a warrior, only a stun to dreadkinght... Even divebombs are recoverable now, the only killer mechanic is still Twister.
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08-01-2014, 05:11 PMPurplenumYour character has a really round face, I think you should re-evaluate your characters looks before asking for free handouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by seriously
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08-02-2014, 04:53 AMHavenchildGrave misconception on what actually is in PF and DF for this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felessan
Im fully aware of the ability to carry people through it assuming majority knows how to do the fight. I've been in PF's where I know for sure 3 others have downed the fight while the rest have yet to but are on "a strikes policy" or much have "experience for the whole fight", and yet people are still dying on conflags because they dont break in time(multiple people got hit). Divebombs you can survive the direct damage from the hit that is. Can you survive a divebomb that hits you into the wall? I think not.
Dread still wont die, if enough DPS gets K.O'd from twisters even with gear.
Perfect players can do wonders on the instance and with the gear fewer of those are needed assuming all other "carry" party members are dead. However when you factor in enough newer players (especially DPS), even the few experienced cant carry that run. It is not uncommon to see people below 200 on snake phase with 4 stacks even with Echo. -
08-02-2014, 05:14 AMDwillActually, it does counts. 8 people in i95-i100 and full Echo have much more room for mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by KagatoAC
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08-02-2014, 05:34 AMFendredRegardless, no one entering that fight for the first time is going to know jack about how to do that or if it is even possible. On top of which they will have no practice in doing so. In effect, no, it is not easy because players are trained by the game to look down on the battlefield, not up at the sky. I'd definitely call that a cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urielparadox
They built the dive bombs to 100% of the time cause wipes on every party who ever enters the fight for the first time. That is the definition of a cheap shot in my book. -
08-02-2014, 05:50 AMDwillNearly every raid bosses in MMOs are built so that people will wipe if they don't know what to expect. I don't know how this comes as a shocker to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
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08-02-2014, 06:28 AMHybris-MaenadHaving to figure out and learn a mechanic is a cheap shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
Really dude, just stay out of endgame if something like this seems unreasonable to you. This is not the kind of game you want it to be. -
08-02-2014, 06:34 AMUrielparadoxOriginally a tank not buffed for death sentence, with stone skin from healers twintania would 1 shot the tank, this is way more a cheap shot. in stone vigil you can angle your camera to see the dragon in the sky, and will appear before the blue outline does. that dungeon taught me that I can follow even flying mobs. As a rule of thumb I try to always keep eyes on the boss my first time in a fight, that doesn't mean you ignore everything else . However Coil is not the first time we have instant wipes, Titan HM was much worse, ifrit not killing nails... you go into a fight there are many mechanics that can wipe you. There are many dungeons, and bosses with instant wipes you one could argue you wouldn't know about on your first time, sunken temple of quarn, AV, Stone temple, Brayflox nm. Try playing back at launch when no one knew anything about how to do these dungeons. Each dungeon teach you the basic, and every couple of dungeons there is one that kinda puts things together and makes combos out of previous mechanics. If you pay attention enough you can learn tips that help out later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
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08-02-2014, 07:57 AMFendredIf every fight involving a flying monster up until that point involved telegraphs on the ground combined with the fact the dive bomb will one shot the players if they do not respond at max pace, yes, it is a cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad
It isn't a matter of skill if the game didn't do anything up until that point to render such a skill necessary. That's like putting a guy with no boxing experience into the ring with Mohammed Ali and expecting him not to be KOed in under 30 seconds. Seriously?
Again, blame the ridiculously low difficulty curve on leveling content. That is the reason these problems even exist. -
08-02-2014, 08:17 AMUrielparadoxumm wrong also I corrected that statement already and you ignored it. Divebomb does not do enough damage at all to 1 shot players pre echo, the players would have to be knocked backwards, which if they are even just a few steps forward they will be knocked forward, and not into a wall, and thus not killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
Divebombs are also a phase where if someone dies, raise them it's a very easy phase to do it.
My question to you is this, because i'm extremely confused right now, Why haven't you read a guide or watch a video? If you are going at this blind, and learning blind. expect to put in as much or more time as the people who first go the victory did, what your asking for is to go into a hard dungeon, and beat it as if it was a lvl 50 dungeon, and your going in at i110, with no mechanics in the whole fight, simply because you don't want to read a guide.......................................................................... not only do you not want help from anyone, you don't also don't want to learn a fight, and you can't think of ways to handle mechanics. You said yourself, moving your camera to see the boss is just to wild of a concept for you... even though you did it on every primal, and in every turn prior to t5. -
08-02-2014, 08:25 AMValkyrieL
You must understand that DF is NOT for clearing difficult content. You the user are partially to blame for trying to clear T5,EX via DF when the fastest route would probably be getting in a active FC, L2, and CONSTANTLY join/make PF For T5/EX.
you will eventually meet competent players in PF that are able to get to twister, send them a Tell after is all done/add to friend list till u eventually get enough people to clear it.
The PROBLEM with DF is that this game is constantly getting NEW 50's or lazy players that will DF T5/EX and have absolutely not clue on what they are doing. they never look at a guide/watch a video. and it only takes this ONE person to fck everything up, specially if is a healer/tank. -
08-02-2014, 08:30 AMFendredIn 2.1, if your group failed to dodge a single dive bomb, you were done. Period. There was no recovery. It was a guaranteed wipe. One or two people failing to dodge is recoverable. You are playing that same encounter with much higher item levels, thus buffing your hp. Not to mention there are more than enough people around who have done the fight regularly to keep the wiping at a minimum by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urielparadox
My point still stands. The curve on leveling content was way too low and stuff like the Twin dive bombs had no prior proxy to be compared to. Stone Vigil boss doesn't count because of telegraphs, so players were just trained to look down at the ground when things go flying in the air. Enough said. -
08-02-2014, 08:36 AMSove92Had that happen, still won. Your point fails. If you don't want to learn mechanics, you need to stay out of endgame. If the game gave you a telegraph telling you to get out for every mechanic, there would be no difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
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08-02-2014, 08:48 AMFendredRead my previous posts, because you are taking what I'm saying out of its original context. Also, you are talking to a person who beat the encounter he is talking about back in 2.1, so I'm pretty sure I learn mechanics just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sove92
I've been raiding for 10+ years in games like these. I think I can recognize well done mechanics from those that are just intentionally designed to screw players. Given the previous focus of the game, that encounter was designed specifically to waste a ton of time, and for all the wrong reasons. -
08-02-2014, 08:56 AMsaeedaisspecialThe ignorance is astounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
No AoE in Twintania is given any ground marker as indication. This should be your first sign to look elsewhere for enemy attacks.
The very first things in Turn 5 you fight, the Wyvern adds, use Liquid Hell with no AoE ground marker. Next, you get introduced with phase 2, which tells you that you'll be getting markers above your head as indicators as what to do.
When you add both of these two things together, phase 3 (this is the one with the divebomby things!) is simply a combination of the two things you have previously learned.
For whatever reason, with all the information available online, and your supposed 10 years of raid experience you weren't able to put two and two together. -
08-02-2014, 09:04 AMTyurru
If you're moaning about divebombs in T5 you will never survive T9 never mind the previous turns before it.
Next it will be "AMG RAVENS HITS TO HARD NERF PLZ" followed by "Why do I have to move when I get lighting on me during P4 its so OP AMG I just want to auto attack the boss and watch Spongebob"
P.S A MASSIVE marker comes above the players head during divebombs, go to Specsavers if you have trouble seeing it. -
08-02-2014, 09:08 AMFendredAll the abilities prior to dive bombs are completely unrelated to dive bombs. There are fights, like the first boss in SV, who use a mix of telegraphed and non-telegraphed attacks. There is no precedence early in the fight to indicate Twin would even use such an attack. Only way to know about dive bombs is to read about it or experience the fight. And since a new player trying to draw on his previous experience with similar mechanics will lead him to failure, yeah, its a guaranteed death.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial
The best of new players would probably be hit by the attack a bare minimum of two times before he starts to dodge properly. First time its just going to one shot him and he's going to be asking what happened. Second time he'll be looking at the sky, but will still get hit due to being unable to react fast enough. Third time he'd have a chance at dodging it. -
08-02-2014, 09:13 AMsaeedaisspecialThere is no precedence anywhere else in the game that Twintania would use a move like Fireballs either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
Or that Caduceus would eat slimes to remove damage stacks.
Or that Titan would place people in Gaols.
Or that ADS would do Rot
Or that mechanic you fought for the first time would actually be a mechanic.
The first time you encounter a new mechanic, you will always be thrown off guard, this is the nature of mechanics. By complaining about SE introducing new mechanics you may as well ask them to stop making new ones.
The fact is, there was enough information in the first two phases to let you know that something like Divebombs may occur.
This entire paragraph... What.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
I just don't even. The way you're posting and arguing is as if you think every encounter should be defeatable by a group of players all going through blind.
You are supposed to die and figure out mechanics, that is the entire point of raiding. You need to learn, you need to practice, you need to figure out how to deal with the mechanics.
If it were possible to instantly pass mechanics then the fight would be unsuitable for raiding. -
08-02-2014, 09:15 AMFendredAlready beat it back in 2.1. Its old news to me. I'm complaining as a person who knows how to do the fight, but doesn't really like the thing all that much. Also, you don't know cheap unless you did Twintania back in 2.0. The twisters, Duke, the twisters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyurru
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08-02-2014, 09:20 AMSongJooheeCan't wait for you to try Turn 9Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
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08-02-2014, 09:34 AMFendredHold on now, you were originally stating that it should be plainly obvious to a person who has never seen or heard of the fight before, but has done all previous content would automatically assume that all of Twintania's attacks will be without telegraphs simply by seeing his first two phases. That was what my comment was directed at. Your examples of Cad and ADS don't really count here because new players are literate enough in the UI and on what buffs and debuffs are by the time they reach those encounters.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial
The difference between Allagan Rot and Dive Bombs is that with Allagan Rot, after the players die once, they are formulating a strategy to deal with it. Those same new players exposed to Dive Bombs are learning for the first time how to use the camera to keep track of an arial target and dodge its non-telegraphed attacks. In example one they are learning to deal with a mechanic. In example 2 they are fighting the controls while trying to do the same thing. That shouldn't happen in an end game encounter if the earlier content did what it was supposed to do.
That's all I've been saying. Why is the concept of new players fighting controls they were never taught to use up to that point so hard for my fellow hardcore gamers to understand? -
08-02-2014, 09:41 AMsaeedaisspecialMy point was that you're constantly going to be thrown with new mechanics, where each one will kill you if you fail to perform them. That is the entire nature of mechanics. If you don't perform them, you die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
I never said it should be "plainly obvious", I said that you should be expecting something like that. There is a huge difference.
By saying things such as:
You are acting as if mechanics should be performable on the first encounter, which is ridiculous. There are lots of mechanics in this game that are going to kill you the first time you see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
There are also lots of mechanics that exist in their own bubbles that never appear outside of those specific fights. That is how you keep the fights fresh. Coil is pretty much saying from the get go "You are going to see things you've never seen anywhere before".
I can't wait to see you go into Turn 6 and then complain that Blighted Bouquet is killing you. I can see it now "What the hell! No where in the game do I have to stop doing anything!"
To a lot of players, figuring out these mechanics is the most interesting part of the entire fight. If we knew everything was coming beforehand, it would be incredibly boring. -
08-02-2014, 09:43 AMHybris-MaenadYou would think that any group that was able to even get to divebombs would figure out that something appearing over someones head would indicate that something dangerous was about to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fendred
You have no argument whatsoever, just go. You're obviously unable to pick up on game mechanics. If you're having a problem in duty finder, it's probably because of you.