Making Coil T1-5 easier sure, removing weekly lockout, lol wut?

ilv 90 will be the default for next gearsets and content, just like darklight was the bare minimum for coil (back when there was no CT).
It's only obvious everyone should be allowed to reach this minimum as soon as possible. And while they reach it, people who play endgame will already be halfway to the next coil stage, which others won't reach in a long while.
Reaching ilv90 (or close enough) post-2.2 will be the requirement for any challenge and upgrade, most likely, so why can't you reach it quickly, same as you can quickly spam points for darklight?

It's called progression, how is it so hard to understand?

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like i said why is this an issue and how does it affect you? the only honest reason i can think of is you are butt hurt that the majority of the player base will have the same gear as you?

This is not a new concept in any mmo, it happens all the time?! Yes you spent "time" and "effort", and you will have to do it again, but that's how its always been.

the playerbase is the bloodline of an mmo game, if you hamper new players or the majority player base you will over time lose supply to the brain = death!

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I don't know about others, but my problem is the fact that they aren't making the endgame longer.... You farm up DL, then go through Coil a couple of times (under a week), then you are good to go for the new content.


That might not sound like so bad... but how much content do you think there will be in the patch ?? There will probably be only be 2-3 dungeons to farm for some new gear, one primal and Turn 6-9.... That's even less content then there is now.

I want to see more content and options in a patch like this, I don't want them to clear off everything that is already there, and start over.... with less or same amount of content that it had a release....

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ilv 90 will be the default for next gearsets and content, just like darklight was the bare minimum for coil (back when there was no CT).
It's only obvious everyone should be allowed to reach this minimum as soon as possible. And while they reach it, people who play endgame will already be halfway to the next coil stage, which others won't reach in a long while.
Reaching ilv90 (or close enough) post-2.2 will be the requirement for any challenge and upgrade, most likely, so why can't you reach it quickly, same as you can quickly spam points for darklight?

It's called progression, how is it so hard to understand?

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You realize that there are a ton of other content to do before and during Turn 1-5 ? 4 HM primals, 3 EM Primals, 5 dungeons, CT and then Coil...

They are only adding one primal in the patch, and the ones that we have now will be useless.... and they are adding 2 HM remake dungeons and a new one (I think), which will probably be for farming.... That's a lot less content. It's like giving everyone DL as soon as they reached 50 when the game released....

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ilv 90 will be the default for next gearsets and content, just like darklight was the bare minimum for coil (back when there was no CT).
It's only obvious everyone should be allowed to reach this minimum as soon as possible. And while they reach it, people who play endgame will already be halfway to the next coil stage, which others won't reach in a l...?

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yeah but at the same time the people who wants to progress are tied down by lockouts? doesnt seem fair now does it?

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Originally Posted by Kadas

ilv 90 will be the default for next gearsets and content, just like darklight was the bare minimum for coil (back when there was no CT).
It's only obvious everyone should be allowed to reach this minimum as soon as possible. And while they reach it, people who play endgame will already be halfway to the next coil stage, which others won't reach in a long while.
Reaching ilv90 (or close enough) post-2.2 will be the requirement for any challenge and upgrade, most likely, so why can't you reach it quickly, same as you can quickly spam points for darklight?

It's called progression, how is it so hard to understand?

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i am with you on some Points but to be honest, People they didnt wanted to do coil or couldnt do it farmed myth Points and got their ilevel 90 with AF 1.5. So Coil wasnt the only way to obtain Ilevel 90 Gear at all. Make a Raid easier is one Thing, but get rid off lockouts is another.

The point is:

"hardcore" content requires lock-out because it's the best gear you can obtain, and it's only natural you can't spam it to your heart's content just because there's nothing else to do in your RL. It gives hardcore players a "pace" to keep up, and it normalizes everyone who wants to do hardcore content, regardless if they have the whole week free or if they have a job/school/life/something.

When content is not hardcore anymore, it's only natural casuals are allowed to obtain it as fast as they want (which won't be fast, because again, they're casual players), there's nothing wrong here and it should not bother hardcore players, because casuals won't catch up, as there will be better gear due to the next hardcore challenges.

casuals won't have allagan gear "quickly", also, because they've waited what, 7-8 months?

If you feel warped feelings of jealousy or whatever else because you feel like it's not fair for casuals to have allagan fast, you should work a bit on those :P

Also, they're adding quite a lot of content, including new coil turns.

Personally, I feel like this would be the way to go, as it allows everyone to progress, rather than have more than half the playerbase unable to progress and get stuck on 2.0 content for their whole life, but I am afraid there will be lockouts due to people crying because they won't feel special anymore.
(I regularly clear most endgame stuff, so this would not benefit me in any way, just saying)

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The point is:

"hardcore" content requires lock-out because it's the best gear you can obtain, and it's only natural you can't spam it to your heart's content just because there's nothing else to do in your RL. It gives hardcore players a "pace" to keep up, and it ...

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it seems like whenever u guys are backed to a corner u assume people who progress faster than you have no lives. kinda sad really. people like us actually figure out how things work. we find the best/fastest way to do things. we dont have to grind 24/7 to level quickly, or wipe 1000 times to learn fights.

and as an ending note, i could care less about the easy modes for slower paced players. my only concern is the lame lockout mechanic that is throttling players like me.

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Originally Posted by Kadas

ilv 90 will be the default for next gearsets and content, just like darklight was the bare minimum for coil (back when there was no CT).
It's only obvious everyone should be allowed to reach this minimum as soon as possible. And while they reach it, people who play endgame will already be halfway to the next coil stage, which others won't reach in a long while.
Reaching ilv90 (or close enough) post-2.2 will be the requirement for any challenge and upgrade, most likely, so why can't you reach it quickly, same as you can quickly spam points for darklight?

It's called progression, how is it so hard to understand?

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Progression? No I don't understand. One person can take months grinding out i90 then next update the guy behind you who just hit 50 can grind out the same set in 2 days and now you are both at minimal ilvl to have a shot at turn 6.

I don't see what progressed it seems more like a reset to me.

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it seems like whenever u guys are backed to a corner u assume people who progress faster than you have no lives. kinda sad really. people like us actually figure out how things work. we find the best/fastest way to do things. we dont have to grind 24/7 to level quickly, or wipe 1000 times to learn fights.

and as an ending note, i could care less about the easy modes for slower paced players. my only concern is the lame lockout mechanic that is throttling players like me.

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It seems like you're the one assuming, I'm just stating how it is, agreeing with how it could be, and stating some valid reasoning behind it. You may not like it and you can talk about it, explaining your point of view in the same manner, or..

You could complain because you can't unleash your true power, assuming you're different than me and much better. I get it, you're special and there will no be no actual talk, please keep on beating on half a sentence and miss the whole point.

Edit: @Nocturnal: It's called challenge, which is why hardcore players are.. hardcore, right? Or is it just because they want to feel better than others, equaling their being better to the gear they have? I honestly don't mind if everyone gets t1-5 allagan, I'll have other stuff by then, how is it a bad thing for me? It actually means nothing to me whether they get it or not.

i for one aint saying anything about no life bla blah...

Lets put this in to context please. There is still another 2 months before patch 2.2, for the people already farming and doing there tomes thats:

approx 450 x 8 = 3600 tomes
and a possible 8 x 8 = 64 chances for loot.

Think of this next patch as a reset, the hardcore gamer will start banging their heads against the new content, and this will allow the rest of the player base to catch up.

There has to be a fine balance and i really believe that but softening the locks on old content we can better use the job system. I might actually level a tank now or a bard.

Of course on turns 6+ i will continue to use a main class which will be restricted but the game has to have some pacing or if the goal post is to close you will finish and not bother subbing.

also if turn 9 is as hard as turn 5 it took around 3 months before people had it on farm. and we usually see a patch every 4 months!? so relax!

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its not about who's better. its about playstyle. and unfortunately this game is just catering towards one side of the spectrum.

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i for one aint saying anything about no life bla blah...

Lets put this in to context please. There is still another 2 months before patch 2.2, for the people already farming and doing there tomes thats:

approx 450 x 8 = 3600 tomes
and a possible 8 x 8 = 64 chances for loot.

Think of this next patch as a reset, the hardcore gamer will start banging their heads against the new content, and this will allow the rest of the player base to catch up.

There has to be a fine balance and i really believe that but softening the locks on old content we can better use the job system. I might actually level a tank now or a bard.

Of course on turns 6+ i will continue to use a main class which will be restricted but the game has to have some pacing or if the goal post is to close you will finish and not bother subbing.

also if turn 9 is as hard as turn 5 it took around 3 months before people had it on farm. and we usually see a patch every 4 months!? so relax!

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i can gear all my jobs by then. thats the difference :) and effectively experience the game in full. and not just limited to one or 2 effective jobs for a game that promotes multiclassing as one of its main selling point

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Progression? No I don't understand. One person can take months grinding out i90 then next update the guy behind you who just hit 50 can grind out the same set in 2 days and now you are both at minimal ilvl to have a shot at turn 6.

I don't see what progressed it seems more like a reset to me.

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But they won't, will they! just by having gear doesn't mean you have downed turns 1-5; alot of people already have ilvl90 gear and have never even stepped in to coil?!

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its not about who's better. its about playstyle. and unfortunately this game is just catering towards one side of the spectrum.

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No what they are doing is sticking to their originally intent; new hard content for people that want the hard stuff and nerfing the old content to please the masses.

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In 2 years you want people to have 20 relevant raids to run, right? Such that they can be certain they will NEVER catch up to top tier people, ever, even if they play no-life?

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Many good points in your post SchalaZeal. I have to take pardon with the quote though. Why? Why must new people who enter the game later after the first months be given, yes given, a la carte through all levels up to cap? What is the reasoning? Why do they not want to DO THE CONTENT? Why can they not do that content for the most part in companies such as you are a member of? Other new people forming up to explore, level up and understand their jobs/classes? A help/leg up near the cap for instance seems reasonable, but not completely negating 95% of all content in early game.



Why? Again, I don't get it, though I do see there are people who want it. "It" being --- oh, I want to play with my friends, I'll sub and zoom up to cap cuz otherwise it won't be any fun. I MUST be at endgame immediately---no, no, no not going to go through early content. Why? Just a waste of my time. The game BEGINS at cap, and I am paying for instantaneous gratification. I am not an mmo player who is making the choice to PLAY the game, I'm jumping in, hopefully at the endgame to START playing the game with my buds".

I have started games in beta, at early launches, and years after they began. Most mmo's do provide a way to go back and enjoy old content/play with new players. EQ II did it, and a number of other games by providing incentive for capped players to 'help' newer players just like FFXIV ARR ALREADY has in place with the roulette/tomes etc.

Lets play the game. Choices. Design and updates do NOT have to absolutely provide a magic port to cap. It is still new to that new player. Let them play the game; not warp to its end immediately.

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I think the majority understand what your saying but the higher you raise a level, your introduce a barrier of entry to a beginner. In FFXIV gear is king and there is a shit load of gear checks for alot of fights.

If you start to alienate the new players and make it difficult for them to join in on the "fun" aspects of the game, the game will eventually die. This is one of the main reasons games like WoW have existed for so long and still making masses of profit.

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Do you people know that most FCs clear T1-4 in under 40 mins??? People will be I90 in a DAY of farming

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I fail to see the problem, just like I fail to see the problem with being able to get ilvl70 in a few days right now. It'll no longer be the best gear available at that point.

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Okay have fun with end game being full of about 90% scrubs and not being able to tell whos remotely decent

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You're saying this like it's any different today. As for being able to tell who's decent there are ways to do that that shall not be mentioned here.

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Okay have fun with end game being full of about 90% scrubs and not being able to tell whos remotely decent

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Welcome to every MMO....well...ever. Seriously, stop panicking over nothing.

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Progression? No I don't understand. One person can take months grinding out i90 then next update the guy behind you who just hit 50 can grind out the same set in 2 days and now you are both at minimal ilvl to have a shot at turn 6.

I don't see what progressed it seems more like a reset to me.

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The beauty of it will be seeing people in ilvl130 gear still wiping to Titan cause if you can't dodge now, you won't dodge then.

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its not about who's better. its about playstyle. and unfortunately this game is just catering towards one side of the spectrum.

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Can you please enlighten your audience a bit more about this, and tell us why are you playing a game that doesn't seem to suit your playstyle?

Most people play a game by choice, having considered its core design and target. They will ask themselves "is this game for me? Will it fulfill my needs and expectations?".
Clearly, FFXIV doesn't seem to fulfill yours. FFXIV isn't a game made especially for elitist/hardcore player... yet, you are here, saying loud and clear that you are one of those.
Plus, you are complaining here, even if you already know that you are a part of the minority and that FFXIV won't change for you because of this particular reason (minority), and because it wasn't designed like this in the first place.

So... yeah. I only see a few cases why that is. You are either a masochist, or someone is currently threatening you to keep playing a game which wasn't made for you, or you are extremely naive and filled with dreams that won't become reality.
Please, tell us more. It's hard to understand people like you, making illogical decisions and sticking to it.

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Can you please enlighten your audience a bit more about this, and tell us why are you playing a game that doesn't seem to suit your playstyle?

Most people play a game by choice, having considered its core design and target. They will ask themselves "is this game for me? Will it fulfill my needs and expectations?".
Clearly, FFXIV doesn't seem to fulfill yours. FFXIV isn't a game made especially for elitist/hardcore player... yet, you are here, saying loud and clear that you are one of those.
Plus, you are complaining here, even if you already know that you are a part of the minority and that FFXIV won't change for you .

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These people are quitting they are just putting in their 2 cents before they leave

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You are not wrong but WoW atleast did something different to SE (when we talk about raids) they never got rid of the weekly lockouts.

WoW: (Ilevel Numbers are examples to make it easier to understand)

Heroic Dungeons - Ilevel 300
Raid 1 - Ilevel 310
Raid 2 - Ilevel 320
Raid 3 - Ilevel 330
Raid 4 - Ilevel 340

Every single Raid is required to do if you want to get acces to do the next Higher Tiers and also Needs a certain averange Ilevel to get acces aswell, also all this raids have weekly lockouts and None of them got "gimped" and got rid of the weekly lockouts aswell, and it works fine. (when i see the numbers of subbings from WoW)

How could it look in ARR:

1) Dungeons for Ilevel 70, required to do...

2) Crystal Tower for Ilevel 80, required to do either....

3) Heroic Dungeons for Mythology Gear (casual Way) ilevel 90 or Binding Coil of Bahamut (T1-T5) for Ilevel 90, required to do....

4) Binding Coil of Bahamut (T6-T9) for Ilevel 100, required to do.... etc... until the first Level cap is increased.


How is it currently:

Dungeons to Farm Ilevel 70, required to do....
Binding Coil of Bahamut T1-T5

or Dungeons to Farm Ilevel 90, required to do....
Binding Coil of Bahamuts T6-T9

Its a question of Balancing (ilevel Requirment, Mission Status, etc) to get the acces to the lastest Tiers of Raids.

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How is it currently:

Dungeons to Farm Ilevel 70, required to do....
Binding Coil of Bahamut T1-T5

or Dungeons to Farm Ilevel 90, required to do....
Binding Coil of Bahamuts T6-T9

Its a question of Balancing (ilevel Requirment, Mission Status, etc) to get the acces to the lastest Tiers of Raids.

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You are required to do T1-T5 (at the minimum T5) in order to gain access to T6.

And most people are going to need to do CT mixed in with farming myth tomes to be able to go through T1-T5.

You guys are all missing the point. It takes a hardcore player an entire day to get full DL and it takes a casual an entire day to get full DL. It took hardcore players months to get full il90. Giving casuals full il90 in a day is NOT the same thing as before. Most people are not yet in full il90 and those who are just got it. Should SE set the precedent that hardcore players need to play nonstop to earn the best gear that will be taken away from them within a month or two?

Bottom line: this is all happening way too fast. It's too early for casual catchup

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You guys are all missing the point. It takes a hardcore player an entire day to get full DL and it takes a casual an entire day to get full DL. It took hardcore players months to......

Bottom line: this is all happening way too fast. It's too early for casual catchup

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and like i keep saying who cares? getting ilvl90 isnt hard and the sense of achieving is not amazing either. As a player with an ilvl90 dragoon in 2 months time if the casuals can get ilvl90 gear good for them. I will be busy working on my ilvl120 gear ^^.

just to add ffs people with the current tomes system in place you can easily get ilvl90 without entering coil any ways so why does it matter now that they remove the lockout!?

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You guys are all missing the point. It takes a hardcore player an entire day to get full DL and it takes a casual an entire day to get full DL. It took hardcore players months to get full il90. Giving casuals full il90 in a day is NOT the same thing as before. Most people are not yet in full il90 and those who are just got it. Should SE set the precedent that hardcore players need to play nonstop to earn the best gear that will be taken away from them within a month or two?

Bottom line: this is all happening way too fast. It's too early for casual catchup

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It is what it is.. personally lets me get my other jobs that I like to play with geared up a bit to the minimum baseline for new turns of coil.. even with the limits for coil/myth I've got two jobs at i90 at this point (thanks primals!), more from myth than from Coil.. If nothing else wish Coil used CTs lock-out system but that'd just lead to run selling and such.

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It is what it is.. personally lets me get my other jobs that I like to play with geared up a bit to the minimum baseline for new turns of coil.. even with the limits for coil/myth I've got two jobs at i90 at this point (thanks primals!), more from myth than from Coil.. If nothing else wish Coil used CTs lock-out system but that'd just lead to run selling and such.

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I was thinking the same thing tbh, i just think of this as a reset and maybe a better way to use the job system. i mentioned i might go from my dragoon to smnr or even try something else out?

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You guys are all missing the point. It takes a hardcore player an entire day to get full DL and it takes a casual an entire day to get full DL. It took hardcore players months to get full il90. Giving casuals full il90 in a day is NOT the same thing as before. Most people are not yet in full il90 and those who are just got it. Should SE set the precedent that hardcore players need to play nonstop to earn the best gear that will be taken away from them within a month or two?

Bottom line: this is all happening way too fast. It's too early for casual catchup

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A casual is not going to get full DL in just a day, and they're certainly not going to get i90 in just a day either.
Hardcores might, assuming myth cap is removed and coil does not get any loot lockout, but you're way wrong if you think a casual will spam the same thing repeatedly over a whole day.

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You guys are all missing the point. It takes a hardcore player an entire day to get full DL and it takes a casual an entire day to get full DL. It took hardcore players months to get full il90. Giving casuals full il90 in a day is NOT the same thing as before.

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As someone who has been playing MMOs since 1999 (/chest-thump EQ) and who used to raid hardcore, not the laughable definition people use now, I've come to learn that your achievements in these games mean next to nothing in the long run. Stuff that seemed life or death back in 2001 I struggle to even remember now.

The only real gauge should be your personal targets and whether you're having fun achieving them with the people you raid/party with. You'll all save yourself a great deal of grief and frustration if you adopt that approach. Granted, I still struggle to remind myself of that on a regular basis.

I, for one, will be happy to see lockout removed. It will be nice to get to do coil more often than "soomeone on our team is out for the week, can you fill in?"
honestly, has anyone won with a pick up group... a pick up group that did not require you to have already beat turn 5 and have at least three pieces of allagan gear on the job you are coming as?
Any time that i have joined a coil pick up it has been trash and getting past caduceus is near impossible.

When you have 12 people, and only 8 can go to coil, there is a problem. id rather see weekly lockouts on treasure, ie. once a treasure chest drops, you lose lotting rights for it for the week.

How can you all not see how bad of an idea this is? These "mere" four mini dungeons are going to be the most difficult content for an entire half of a year. You honestly think it's a brilliant idea to let everyone get il90 in a day and catapult majority of a server's population to turns 6-9? If you thought people were bored before, wait till you see how people react when they "earn" the right to participate in the game's most difficult content within a day and those 4 mini dungeons are really the only next logical steps of progression for an entire 6 months (oh i'm sorry, you might have an IL 70 crystal tower that nets you il100 gear).

The binding coil of Bahamut is supposed to be for the hardcore (not for everybody). I agree there should be a time for catch-up eventually...but it is WAY WAY too soon. Honestly, if you just hit your first level 50 job on March 1st, would you really be concerned about getting to coil turn 9 within an entire 6 months? Too soon for a catch-up.

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How is that any different from what we have now? People can gear up in DL "in a day" and tip up to 1-5 ready to gear up in Allagan.

It really seems like you're creating issues that aren't there just because you're concerned your achievements aren't going to last forever.

Saying that, have you even been in Coil? I don't see anything past CT armour on your character. That isn't me being the gear police but simply trying to understand where you're coming from.

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and like i keep saying who cares? getting ilvl90 isnt hard and the sense of achieving is not amazing either. As a player with an ilvl90 dragoon in 2 months time if the casuals can get ilvl90 gear good for them. I will be busy working on my ilvl120 gear ^^.

just to add ffs people with the current tomes system in place you can easily get ilvl90 without entering coil any ways so why does it matter now that they remove the lockout!?

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I could care less about sense of achievement. What bothers me about this change is it makes 2.1 content obsolete. FFXIV will never be a game rich with lots of content if every patch makes the previous one useless. Nobody will be going CT or primals once 2.2 comes out. It will be either do Coil or nothing. While I am excited for new raids, I fear I will be bored really quick. Then 2.3 will come out and make 2.2 useless. I want them to add content, not replace exsisting content.

They are adding a new tomestone and gear. And new turns. So they have shifted forward. Currently there is no lockout on philo tomes, only myth. Once new content happens, most likely the myth will end up where philo is now for example.

So yes, if they completely remove myth cap, then it will become possible to get i90 in a day, with or without coil. If they don't remove myth cap, I also don't see them having no loot lockout on coil. Same concept. Myth cap will be done away with the same time that loot lockout is done away with.

I am assuming a weekly loot drop like CT, and a higher cap on Myth. But if they do remove myth cap and loot lockout, then myth will now be exactly the same as philo, and the new tomes will have a lockout. So nothing will have changed. Except everyone will be grinding for the new tomes and grinding coil 6+ to get top end gear.

The only reason people are upset about no lockout is because they think it invalidates their progress, because other people can now get it.. Which. *shrug*. A game is a game, if your only enjoyment is being able to say you have better gear then everyone, and that not everyone can get it. Well. Now you have turn 6-7 to fill that need. Though it is kind of a disturbing "I have no value unless everyone else is beneath me" kind of mentality, and strikes me that maybe you need to work on your self-esteem problems first.

For those worried about content longevity, honestly I think you are forgetting that they are also going to be adding to CT in the long run. There will always be reason to run both coil and ct, for some people.

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How is that any different from what we have now? People can gear up in DL "in a day" and tip up to 1-5 ready to gear up in Allagan.

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Before you had 6 months to level from 1 to 50, complete main story, job quests, grand company, get DL, defeat the hard primals....then you unlocked coil 1-5. Now it's just earn il90 gear and you're good to go for coil 6-9. Obviously it's unfair to compare an update to an official release (eventually everyone will catch-up to the updates). But isn't that the point? The point being that everyone will catch-up to the updates? Do we really need this huge nerf 6 months into the game? It's way too early. That is my entire point.

To answer your question - I've only done turns 1-4. Haven't beaten turn 5 yet but I will. I don't want any catch-up. I'm not worried at all about being at turn 9 within 6 months.

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I could care less about sense of achievement. What bothers me about this change is it makes 2.1 content obsolete. FFXIV will never be a game rich with lots of content if every patch makes the previous one useless. Nobody will be going CT or primals once 2.2 comes out. It will be either do Coil or nothing. While I am excited for new raids, I fear I will be bored really quick. Then 2.3 will come out and make 2.2 useless. I want them to add content, not replace exsisting content.

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2.1 content will be obsolete for whom? T1-T5 farmers? Isn't it already obsolete for them?
New 50's still need to gear up using existing content before they can take on the new.

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2.1 content will be obsolete for whom? T1-T5 farmers? Isn't it already obsolete for them?
New 50's still need to gear up using existing content before they can take on the new.

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No, CT/primals are still done because of the coil lockout. If there is no lockout why would you do those for lesser gear. It would be like doing AK just for the gear. Nobody does that because i70 is easily obtainable. If i90 is unrestricted, then why do content that gives anything less then that. For those with 1 high level job, gear alts up to high level raid ready will be a joke.

So many assumptions here. How about we wait until the next LIVE Letter at least before bringing out the pitchforks? Yoshis statement was a simple answer to a question with no elaboration. All he confirmed was no lockout for RUNNING the dungeon. I don't think it will be a 1 loot a week lockout since that would theoretically be more restrictive than current Coil (you can get 8 allagan a week if you get lucky right now), but there will probably still be a gate.

The nerf, if it isn't Echo, probably won't be too heavy either based on previous dungeon/Primal adjustments and you still won't clear Twin if you don't have the skill/coordination. Those group who are coming within like 5% of a kill will probably be clearing it but the rest will continue to face smash her for a little while like many are doing now with EX Primals.

Remove lock is a very bad move. Just like what they did for house price.
Immature idea

Hard core players will have t6-9 gear... so this doesn't bother them.

Wannabes that pretend to be hardcore and who won't be able to clear 6-9 are upset, because they will look like everyone else.

If this bothers you, then it's probably because you are focused on current gear and not future cutting edge content- you're not really hard core or high end oriented.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

No, CT/primals are still done because of the coil lockout. If there is no lockout why would you do those for lesser gear. It would be like doing AK just for the gear. Nobody does that because i70 is easily obtainable. If i90 is unrestricted, then why do content that gives anything less then that. For those with 1 high level job, gear alts up to high level raid ready will be a joke.

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You are complaining under the assumption that there will be no gear lockout for T1-T5 when they remove the entrance lockout. Do you really think they will completely unlock it for farming when they put gear lockout on CT that provides lesser gear than can be gotten already?
For people with 1+ high level job, gearing up more jobs is already a joke, so nothing changes for them.
And nothing will change for people that are new to 50 because they can't enter coil until they get a Titan HM clear which they normally need to gear up for to begin with, then gear up more to take on coil to begin with.

So, ppl were complaining lockouts, and now they don't want it be to removed?
/popcorn

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Originally Posted by Hiraki

To be honest, I would rather them leave the difficulty and remove the lock out. I would love to help friends with coil after running with a static. One issue with coil is that is segregates the community because people don't want to waste their week to help others. If the people that are able to beat Twintania were able to help other after downing it it would be way more beneficial to the community rather than handing bad players all the gear for not trying when it was the hot new raid.

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AGREED. THIS ^