Do you respect or awed by level 50? No?

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

I wouldn't mind a battle like titan but as a solo encounter. Something that would be require very tight skill check that only skilled players would pass while the rest beat their head against it for weeks/months. The actual fight would have to be much harder then titan because the hardest part of titan is getting 7 other people to not screw up (if titan was a solo battle it would actually be very easy).

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You could probably make even Twintania a solo encounter with some stat edits and possibly a change with the adds/jailing methods

Seeking recognition of ”some one (by people you never going to meet)” for “something” than don’t have any impact in your real live and their entire purpose is for amusement, its not healthy and those people should consider rethink their goals in life.

Also this post a few pages behind summarizes perfectly most of the situation:

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

I think the bottom line is this:

We all show respect in different ways for different reasons. We all have different opinions of what "fun" is. We all have different ideas of what is challenging, and whether or not we want things to be easier or more challenging.

No MMO will ever cater to ALL of those differences. You can get on this message board and post your ideas, your desires, your dislikes, and might reach the developers and make a difference.

What you won't do is convince other forum users that your thoughts and ideas are better, or more correct, or whatever. You're just being silly. You're also part of the reason people on the game say to newcomers "Welcome to the game! Avoid the forums."

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This thread is.... weird. I'm in awe of people who have done amazing things, I'm in awe of Darwin, Newton, Einstein and any other person who changed mankind. I'm in awe of people who achieve greatness like Michael Schumacher or Pele. How anyone thinks I should be in awe of someone who has played a game longer than me I'll never know.

I can remember when I first started FF11, I was level 30 something and learning my job. I saw a level 75 PLD in Sandy, he had all the shiny gear on and I can remember thinking "He looks cool, I'll bet he's a really good tank" Then I got to 75 myself and started endgame and realised two very important facts of MMO life.

1. Level does not equal skill
2. Gear does not equal skill

And that was pretty much that. Good players can struggle to get enough people for fights and poor players get carried through content by their friends all the time. There is nothing wrong with that per say but it doesn't mean because they have a shiny sword they're any good.

If you want respect from your fellow players then you get it the same way you'd get it in life. Be competent at your job, be nice to people, help out if you can and put other people first sometimes. Demanding respect because you outgear someone will just get you laughed at or scorned, and quite rightly so.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

You don't seem to understand the issue:

1) You haven't experienced all the fights in the game so whether you think they are difficult or not is irrelevant.

2) Tanking is easier than DPSing (if you play DPS properly...I have my doubts)

3) There are several: not just 1. Might know this if you were in coil more often.

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I have been in Turn 5.

Tanking is way more stressful to play as cause they are easier to blame than a DPS.

Are you serious? You have trouble with the other four stages? Ok, then I don't think you know what you are talking about.

Oh, the old "I have a piece of gear or achievement that you don't- therefor your opinion doesn't matter... and I can exaggerate my own opinion and pretend to be important"

People are REALLY desperate to feel special, aren't they?

Everyone's opinion is worth the same amount of dog poo... no one is special. There just might be more than one particular color of dog poo...

Why should I respect some dude who lives in his mother's basement? Does he get special recognition from the company that makes his MMO's? Don't think so.

Hell I think an EVO competition winner deserves more respect than some lvl 100 guy. Least he earned some REAL money...

i respect those that help others, and instead of calling new people "f***ing retards" they give advice and help them do it right. I don't respect anyone with gear, or high level. why should I? That full Myth tank can still very much be a crap tank, and most full allagan people i've run into are complete assholes.

Protip: Treat everyone with respect and don't be an ass, try to help people just for the fun of doing so instead of selling runs, and voilà, there you have your well deserved respect from other players.

What you are really asking for is not respect, but e-peen stroking and worship from those that you feel that are inferior to you. If you want a game that feeds your ego with something virtual look somewhere else.

P.S.: This has nothing to do with harder content (actually harder, not Titan-like harder... coughdelaycoughcough...). I'm against the wording/attitude and against things like that only 50% of the playerbase should be able to level up to the new level cap (WTF, this is way worse than grinding), or punishing lowbies in a game where some people charge money for helping you, or making you look like a super saiyan with glows and other weird things everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I have been in Turn 5.

Tanking is way more stressful to play as cause they are easier to blame than a DPS.

Are you serious? You have trouble with the other four stages? Ok, then I don't think you know what you are talking about.

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I find the only thing stressful is healing. Tanking is by far the easiest in this game, and DPS is only easy if you don't care about maximizing DPS and dodging.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Well la-de-da, aren't you fancy? I hope to one day reach your level of skill and awesome where I no longer consider anything in this game tough!

If I told the other guy I don't care about the adulation of others, what makes you think I give any number of airborne rodent posteriors about what you think of me?

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Oo I am noticing a trend with you!

...what is with 'rodent posteriors' that make you reference it in every thread?

Why do you type with such anger? gawd

I respect anyone who still has common decency to act like a human being. I don't care what gear you have, or how rich you are, respect is earned.

In real life, just because you are the richest person in the world, unless your list of achievements look "respectable" (ie. a philanthropist, humanitarian, donating to charity), you still won't have my respect.

In game, just because you have the best gear, unless your actions are "respectable" (ie. patience with new players in dungeons, don't troll around, don't go off on a tirade when a newbie dies in a dungeon for the first time), you still won't have my respect.

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Originally Posted by Blazer

Not trying to derail the thread (based on my post above this). But it wasn't as simple as hitting a queue button and doing a dungeon to be able to roll against someone. There's a reason only a handful of LS's were even in something like SEA let alone getting drops 1-2 years after CoP came out. There was a big "elite/elitest" player base in FFXI, trust me.

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Airship Battle was hard >< , took my static 2 weeks :( was well worth it ^^ , only a few (non-jp) at that time had sea access

oh and beating maat as RDM has been 1 of the most hard things i did in FFXI .....so frustrating !!! :(

The problem with "One to be Feared" wasn't that the battle itself was difficult.

It was finding people to help you with it that was difficult. It took me 3 weeks to wrangle a group of people into helping me, but once I got the group together, we wiped once and then beat it.

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Originally Posted by TenshiArakawa

[troll]Here is your special paper crown of best half-god player in the whole world of Eorzea, happy ?[/troll]

No, seriously, this isn't necessary at all. Every players should respect each other, we don't care about lvl/iLvl.

And I don't know what is this "Maat", but I would like to see something like in The Secret World, a solo fight against a doppelganger of your job.
It's not "super hard" but people have to learn their job in order to succed and it's a good point.

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That is what Maat was. He was your job, not too hard, but ya had to come prepared.

Why do people need respect or to be awed at high level.

I once was impressed by high level gamers, then I started working. There are so many things more worth someone's respect then a person that can grind up some top level gear.

I mean, if you have it, good for you. But you are not getting respect from me for being top level and having some digital loot.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

If you want to be special then get every allagan item for your job or achieve BiS.

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This should be mandatory for everyone at some point though, so... it will still not make you special, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Whoopie_Pie

I have a couple jobs @ 50 yet see myself no better or worse than any other player. We're all players on equal status

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This is basically the whole issue with FFXIV. Nobody can stand out.
A bad player should never be considered equal to a average player as much as an average player should never be equal to a good players.
Same goes for people spending like 3 hours a week and people who like me play ALOT. We should not be equals either in any ways.

respect? oooohohohohoho~~~
the word is too big for petty reason
i will not bow down other than normal courtesy

Every time I see someone selling a Titan HM run I'm reminded why seeing someone with a Relic +1 means nothing about the player behind the toon.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

Every time I see someone selling a Titan HM run I'm reminded why seeing someone with a Relic +1 means nothing about the player behind the toon.

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Well it either means the buyer does RMT or ... is extremely good and takes the effort at making tons of money in-game.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I have been in Turn 5.

Tanking is way more stressful to play as cause they are easier to blame than a DPS.

Are you serious? You have trouble with the other four stages? Ok, then I don't think you know what you are talking about.

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You have been in Turn 5 yet have not beaten it. You claim this game is easy. This seems to be a contradiction.

Tanking is not stressful at all once the fight is learned. Learning a fight is stressful for everyone.

I have all three roles leveled. Healing is by far more stressful than the other two combined. DPS is only stressful if you seek to maximize DPS. Tanking is nothing in comparison.

I will say that each turn stresses different roles, though. Turn 1 stresses silence coordination (you have none as BLM), healer coordination and efficiency (you are a BLM: not a healer), and tank communication (you are a BLM: not a tank). Turn 2 stresses different things depending on which path you take. Left: silence communication (you have none as BLM), tank swaps (you are a BLM: not a tank), healer communication/efficiency (you are a BLM: not a healer), and rot rotation (you do 1/5th of the work and have aetherial manipulation to get to people making it a very easy fight for BLMs). Turn 4 stresses AoE damage and healer efficiency.

It isn't surprising that you have no difficulty in turn 1-4 as BLM given the above. Think I'm biased? Think again: my main is BLM.

I have no trouble with the other four turns. You seem to have trouble with Titan Ex, though. I do not find him to be difficult. Are you a person who also uses enrage for turn 2? :)

You have no tank leveled. You cannot speak for tanks in endgame content. You are assumed to use SMN as well meaning you have no healer leveled. You cannot speak for healers in endgame content.

In other words, what this poster said:

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I find the only thing stressful is healing. Tanking is by far the easiest in this game, and DPS is only easy if you don't care about maximizing DPS and dodging.

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Indeed, i also have a tank, healer, and dps. Healing is the hardest job of them all, especially when people can't freakin dodge. But tanking isn't stressful...at all...its mostly boring. Garuda got me to move around a bit but for the most part there isn't anything difficult about it. DPS is a job I play when i just don't feel like being in the spotlight anymore. plus as a monk i kind of like punching things. really tired of tanks who think they have the hardest job in the game lol.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

You have been in Turn 5 yet have not beaten it. You claim this game is easy. This seems to be a contradiction.

Tanking is not stressful at all once the fight is learned. Learning a fight is stressful for everyone.

I have all three roles leveled. Healing is by far more stressful than the other two combined. DPS is only stressful if you seek to maximize DPS. Tanking is nothing in comparison.

It isn't surprising that you have no difficulty in turn 1-4 as BLM given the above. Think I'm biased? Think again: my main is BLM.

You seem to have trouble with Titan Ex, though. I do not find him to be difficult. Are you a person who also uses enrage for turn 2? :)

You have no tank leveled. You cannot speak for tanks in endgame content. You are assumed to use SMN as well meaning you have no healer leveled. You cannot speak for healers in endgame content.

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I have a paladin, I have whm, and sch all at 50.

I do whatever the party wants to do for the turns.

Titan I have lag with. I have sent in a report to Verizon and SE. This problem where everyone stops for 3 seconds then everything goes off, never happens in any other fight.

Like I said before 1 fight does not make up for the rest of the game. 1 other fight being only difficult because of Lag is not something anyone should use as an example.

This thread made me die a little in side. You are not a special cookie.Your bowel movements smell just as bad as everyone else's.You do not deserve awe and respect. You freaking earn respect. Anyone who thinks they deserve acknowledgement because they got lucky on a roll in a video game is a disgusting arrogant self centered human being.

I show some level of basic courtesy and respect towards others unless they give me a valid reason not to.

An arrogant blowhard with an ego the size of twelve moons who belittles who they deem insignificant and weaker than they are, is as valid as it gets.

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Originally Posted by gadenp

Why do people need respect or to be awed at high level.

I once was impressed by high level gamers, then I started working. There are so many things more worth someone's respect then a person that can grind up some top level gear.

I mean, if you have it, good for you. But you are not getting respect from me for being top level and having some digital loot.

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Pfft I bet you would fall down on your knees in front of a Burtgang Aegis paladin in FFXI! Anyone with a myth weapon (except the BST one) was quite the sight. They get first priority in any end-game event. Their weapon usually costed around 600 mil or more and you had to invest a LOT of time doing side quests for months and camp NMs in the these deep, open-world (yes, YOU CANNOT DUTY FINDER THIS....) humongous deadly zones with key-doors switch mechanics that required two groups that required a raid to defeat that would never spawn for weeks to complete the quests for the myth weapon. I was actually part of a group that locked themselves in the troll room for weeks (They lock themselves in there because warping out meant having to spend another 30 mins-1hr). FF14 beast zones are a pre-school playground play-house compared to these. I could never imagine doing that at lvl 75 because you would need a full alliance (18 people) to do it vs the 99 cap. And that is the difference from FFXI to FF14 right now. There is really no segregation of people based on their gear yet because the difference between allagan/primal/myth gear is so miniscule. Blame the DEVs for making Myth gear the same ilvl as current best in slot gear... just doesn't make sense to give that access to people who don't really earn it the right way. As someone mentioned before, it is a business move to make everyone happy so people don't leave so early and they pull in more casual subscribers for the sake of money. Once they increase the gap between hard-core content and casual content (nerfed myth gear), respect will be pouring out of everywhereeee!!!! People don't understand what the OP means by in awe or respect. It means admiring someone with gear and skill that you would never even dream of coming close to within a short amount of time.

It is just matter of time. They are just trying to figure out how to implement it. They will because WoW hired a guy from EQ #1 raiding guild to create there hardest content that only 1% of players would ever achieve. If Yoshida is hell-bent on following WoW (he said it influenced him), he will implement it. I think anyone who does not understand the respect/awe/adulation factor is not in the wrong, but they are ignorant because they seem to diss the reason why that content even exists. It is so the people will, for whatever reason, be the best in the game and seperate themselves from people who don't play as much. In FFXI, the best of the best get access to super-bad ass weapon skills. If you saw someone using some instant-KO spell or a 8-hit sword weapon skill with a 10 second animation you would never get access to for years... I think you would probably fall head over heels for them. And the weaponskill grants them a triple quadruple attack effect. If you don't give a rat's butt about it, then fine. It just means you do not care and you are probably going to move to another MMO. If you were in FFXI, and there was a raid even that said myth/relic weapons only, and you only had a normal weapon. Would your opnion matter? No. And that is why hardcore opinion does not matter right now because FF14 is has no gear to support this arguement. When they implement content that requires allagan weapon only, we will start seeing the game go in the right direction. No one is barred from content at the moment in FF14, so no one has any respect for end-gaming.

I think these forums are really bad at making some opinions that should NOT even be pertinent matter. If there's one thing I am noticing, these forums make casual opinion seem like only way things are done, but it is only one side of the coin. I guarantee all these people wanting a DF-raid casual myth gear MMO are going to quit.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

I think anyone who does not understand the respect/awe/adulation factor is not in the wrong, but they are ignorant because they seem to diss the reason why that content even exists. It is so the people will, for whatever reason, be the best in the game and seperate themselves from people who don't play as much.

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Wait wait wait. Wasn't it to have fun with a personal/group challenge and be proud of your own achievement once you beat it? Damn it, I must have been playing wrong!

FYI, most athletes and other competitive people (that's it, the humble ones worth admiring) want to improve as a matter of personal superation, not to tell their rivals how they're way better/superior than them, or to have people respecting/adulating/worshiping them. That's how some new world records happen. Just a little side thought.

I remember a vaguely infamous guy in FFXI who got his BRD Relic and promptly went to sell his character to the dismay of this HLS.
I suppose I should be in awe of such people for managing to "scam" so much people :o

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Wait wait wait. Wasn't it to have fun with a personal/group challenge and be proud of your own achievement once you beat it? Damn it, I must have been playing wrong!

FYI, most athletes and other competitive people (that's it, the humble ones worth admiring) want to improve as a matter of personal superation, not to tell their rivals how they're way better/superior than them, or to have people respecting/adulating/worshiping them. That's how some new world records happen. Just a little side thought.

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I think you took my comment slightly out of context. The best athlete will workout constantly... isn't that to win the competition? Sure, some are "special" in that they just love doing it. You may view it as personal superation if you will, but the end result is seperating yourself from the competition. And that is a sport event. We are talking about a MMO where we kill monsters and wear shiny gear as a fashion statement that improve our stats further. FF14's flaw is that it does not allow you to seperate yourself from the competition. For example, to be a marathon runner and do it for respect and adulation is completely wrong. It would take forever to explain, but like you said, that example is pure personal superation as you suggested. But in our case, the best example would be movies/stories where the princesses and nobles in the castle adore the warriors that come back after winning the war. They are the talk of the party and get all the ladies at night... So, I hope you get my point. Some people actually do do sports for the ladies/money sometimes... They just happened to be talented/blessed genetically to be so good at what they do. Some people might have worked every hard for their own reasons, while others just happened to do it for less-ethically moral reasons and were lucky enough to be blessed to be quite skilled at it.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Pfft I bet you would fall down on your knees in front of a Burtgang Aegis paladin in FFXI! Once they increase the gap between hard-core content and casual content (nerfed myth gear), respect will be pouring out of everywhereeee!!!!

People don't understand what the OP means by in awe or respect. It means admiring someone with gear and skill that you would never even dream of coming close to within a short amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

So, I hope you get my point. Some people actually do sports for the ladies sometimes...

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You may start the sports/guitar/whatever for the ladies but if you aim to be the best, you got to have some other motivations.
People will only respect the real deal, not some show off posers.
I don't mind the OP proposals, I just find the reasons shallow and stupid.

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Originally Posted by XNihili

You may start the sports/guitar/whatever for the ladies but if you aim to be the best, you got to have some other motivations.
People will only respect the real deal, not some show off posers.
I don't mind the OP proposals, I just find the reasons shallow and stupid.

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I agree. That can't be the ONLY reason you do it. But it can be one of them. To be the best at whatever you do requires a very strict regiment to follow. That isn't something you would do for silly reasons, but shouldn't that be respectable? I think it should be respectable. That's my point. To not respect people who put time into something is wrong, especially when they are the best of the best.

Edit: I don't mean bow down to them. I mean at least they deserve a recognition. That is why some companies give special rewards to long-time workers. That is why you know people's names that you are not even familiar with. That is why your name will appear at the top of the list if you are ranked number 1.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

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In the context of reaching somewhere we will never reach. Professional athletes as mentioned. Specifically, professional footballers.

I will never win a Ballon d'Or in my life. Or a World Cup. But if you win the World Cup, and you're a wife stealer. You will still get zero respect from me. It's not about what's outside, it's also about what's inside.

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Originally Posted by Phaydra

This thread made me die a little in side. You are not a special cookie.Your bowel movements smell just as bad as everyone else's.You do not deserve awe and respect. You freaking earn respect. Anyone who thinks they deserve acknowledgement because they got lucky on a roll in a video game is a disgusting arrogant self centered human being.

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Hun, if you saw or smelled my bowel movements, you would agree that I deserve awe and respect.

I don't see what would make me respect, admire, or fall down to my knees in front of someone just because he had a bunch of dudes stand around in game for a long periods of time (months?) waiting to fight AI monsters so that he could get a video game weapon...


And when there are so many vastly more impressive things to be 'the best of the best' of, nope, not going to respect some dude's shiny PvE MMO gear. Come on, how can you not see how lame that sounds?

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Originally Posted by Devilray

I agree. That can't be the ONLY reason you do it. But it can be one of them. To be the best at whatever you do requires a very strict regiment to follow. That isn't something you would do for silly reasons, but shouldn't that be respectable? I think it should be respectable. That's my point. To not respect people who put time into something is wrong, especially when they are the best of the best.

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You can respect the deeds and find the reasons totally stupid and not really respectable. Things are never black and white.
To do things just to be admired is pretty stupid in itself because it means you are totally dependent on the trends, saying one thing one day and the contrary the very next day.

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Originally Posted by XNihili

You can respect the deeds and find the reasons totally stupid and not really respectable. Things are never black and white.
To do things just to be admired is pretty stupid in itself because it means you are totally dependent on the trends, saying one thing one day and the contrary the very next day.

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The thing is myth weapon in FFXI is not a trend. It is forever and eternally the best gear in the game. What ARR and other current MMOs are now doing is making all the best gear a trend by releasing new gear with patches/expansions that makes everything else obsolete. Your point makes sense in that regard. I never said it was worth anyone's time to be admired in FF14 ARR to begin with because the game does not allow it; That is the problem. So... um what was the reason for Ash wanting to catch all the Pokemon? I want to be, the very best? Like no one ever was. Why did Naruto want to become a Hokage? He was clearly bashed by all his neighbors and classmates as a young child. He wanted to show them who's boss. Trends don't really play into what we are taking about, unless there is some massive change in how the world works, which is only possible in a virtual world by changing what MMO you play or updates/expansions. Like you said, it is not always black and white, but the reasons are not always stupid either, and the reasons for doing things ALWAYS evolve. They never stay the same; It might be for the ladies at first, but eventually you realize the more important reasons. And some people are blessed to be talented enough to keep going and excel to be number one in the world at the sport the participate in. But like you said, It is pointless to shoot for these almost impossible goals when they are trends. That is why I do not support this vertical system of expansion/updates that destroy any gear before it, and this myth system that just hands out Best in SLot gear like a social welfare machine which makes being max lvl a joke.

Not really.
I already got a 50 in 1.0. It's just a thing that happens when you can't get any more experience.
Now, people who have stuff from really tough fights, I respect those people a bit more.

In a simple picture worth a thousand words....

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/37579563.jpg

The only respect I will ever give people are through their actions. It will never be from shiny sparkly gear because that stuff only proves you done the content but does not prove how skilled you are in that content.

Actions will always speak louder than shiny sparkly objects in MMOs

As of now I am just waiting for that Level cap raise through Major Update yoshi-p mentioned.

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An MMO is more akin to a chess tourney (when competitive) than to a medieval setting. It's a game after all, not our real life. We can be competitive and strive to achieve greatness, but it won't have any real consequences outside of our own pride for having done something hard. No one's lifes are at stake (the NPCs are virtual, and so are our characters), nor anyone's money. That's where that attitude about "separate yourself" from someone else is wrong, as it's a separation in terms of "I'm your superior" and I'll never agree with that as a healthy way to compete. That's where my example comes in.

The best athlete will strive to improve him/herself, and compete against others as a way to measure their success. They don't want to show off or feel themselves superior to anyone else, nor they will try to change the rules so that they have fewer competitors. For example, in archery you don't think all the time "I have to beat that guy, I have to show everyone that I'm better than him", but simply "I have to make a perfect shot". It's just you and the dartboard, otherwise you'll be more likely to fail. That's what I aim to do in MMOs too, and I don't really care about what others can or can't do. I play hard content to improve myself, to have fun with other players, and for that feeling of acomplishment once I beat something. I don't really care if someone somewhere admires me for beating something or not, I just do what I think that's fun for myself and I try to be nice to everyone.