ARR often feels very contradictory in its design (long)

The part of the game that feels wrong right now probably more than anything is oddly enough the extreme content. It's pretty unpractical to try and apex gear multiple jobs to the point of handling the extreme content, meaning in order to get to do the content players must focus into a specific role. This was already the case before patch 2.1 with AF +1, but with the inclusion of the patch the situation has only grown worse. That and FFXIV ARR really shouldn't be hosting nightmare difficulty exclusive content. It's going to foster community face smashing and divide everyone up into cliques just like it has in every other game it has been introduced to.

Seriously taking a step back and looking at the situation, there is something very wrong with people getting to the point that they can't take new players to content without having them watch 20+ minute boss tutorials, and then even boot said new players if they mess up more than three times. Is this really what we want the community to come down to? People smashing each others face in with sledge hammers because nightmare content is the end game standard?

Then there also is the problem that the core game doesn't emphasize a need for specific cross class skills, such as provoke or swift cast, so there are plenty of players that come to the end of the game and are forced to learn they need them through the school of hard knox. (Namely, entering a fight that requires boss swapping in the case of provoke, then getting berated by the group for not having it).

you know if i have 1 arguement about anthing even though i 100% agree with this post. Its the people wanting Cross Class abilities. I know why you want it, but could you imagine a Blm with Cleric stance. People already complained that blm does to much dmg which is stupid cause thats the trade of for being a Mage job you have less hp and way less defense than a melee job you should have a higher dmg output. But the trade off for melee is more hp and def but also more utility purposes of a mage. But i digress People say they want it to be unique, which sadly wouldn't make the game any more unique at all. Every would just pic the abilities that make X Job better, which it really wouldn't cause think about the job system 5 abilities of the one job outweigh ALL those other abilities otherwise we would see Gld instead of Pld etc.

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Funny you say that when most FATEs simply time out. Even before 2.1, I've seen Gorgi time out countless times. Some people would try it, die, and go do something else (i.e. kill an easier FATE)

And you think making them "harder" (with silly mechanics, no less) would have any benefit?
They're just location-based quests that people do for exp.

http://i.imgur.com/adBmpIB.png

Have you ever seen her being killed? Me neither. Falling a rock over her head wouldn't change this.

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The irony of your post amuses me. You continue to let the point of what I'm saying sail above your head. They need to make us want to do fates. People would do fates if something other than xp was awarded from them and weren't instead used as a means of getting that next level while you wait for a dungeon to pop. Fates above 40 should drop something worthwhile then people would do them, instead you have exactly what you posted a fate with a timer that will expire because there is no reason to do that fate instead of fate spams in Coerthas.

Ps - the example i gave which i mentioned was something I thought of on the fly in less than 30 seconds, yet you still feel the need to call the mechanic silly. You offer nothing useful to this conversation, please contribute or find another post to muck up.

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1. The armory system may be fine but cross classing seems like it wasn't designed by someone who plays this game. Why is skull sunder a cross-class skill? It only works with a combo, and defiance, both exclusive to warrior. It's not well thought out and pursued.

2. No one is saying that crafting needs to be top-tier. But it needs to be WORTH IT, especially with how in-depth and well thought out the crafting system is. Also, the term "best in slot" is relative to a build that is relevant to a certain situation. I hate that term.

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How is crafting not worth it in some regards now? When I hit 50 my friend crafted me an epic sword and shield for about 80-90k in mats that is near as good as relic. Nothing better in the game until then. Imo it seems a little OP. Not sure if you can do this with armor but it wasn't even expensive. Took him an hour or so to collect a few things also through gathering.

Devs have been very active today on the forum.....I wonder if they're gonna post in here o.O

Judging by some of the responses to the economy and crafting based threads I'm not too sure D:

And it's been CM's, not devs posting, very big difference there.

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New boat to take us to the new land with a gigantic Pirate Fate on the boat, all this can be possible.

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How you envision it to be: Exactly like the FFXI pirate boat battle.
How it will actually be: A FATE linked to a quest needed to be completed in order to be able to access the new area, spawns once every two hours, is an AOE spam fest and then immediately ignored after you attune to the Aetheryte crystal at the new land.

[QUOTE=KoujiGeki;1761106]you know if i have 1 arguement about anthing even though i 100% agree with this post. Its the people wanting Cross Class abilities. I know why you want it, but could you imagine a Blm with Cleric stance. /QUOTE]

Considering Cleric Stance switched MND with INT, it would be hardly broken. :P

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...could you imagine a Blm with Cleric stance.

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Not sure if I missed something earlier, but all this would do is turn BLM into an incredibly gimped WHM/BLM. No enhancement would come from this as a cross-class ability.

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Not sure if I missed something earlier...

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You are aware that despite the way the abillity sounds.

Cleric stance INCREASES your magic damage and reduces your cure potency.

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They need to make us want to do fates. People would do fates if something other than xp was awarded from them and weren't instead used as a means of getting that next level while you wait for a dungeon to pop. Fates above 40 should drop something worthwhile then people would do them

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That's pretty much what people have been asking for since they were announced and to make them more like NMs. They already have a system for item drops from FATEs so they could have easily made them drop gear and weapons and even crafting mats like Dodore in 1.0. Have different items drop per medal tier, maybe a loot roll for whoever participated and got gold for the best item but that would most likely stress the already over stressed servers. If they really didn't want people to hoard items just implement a lockout for that item, if you get a pair of pants you can't get those same pants in the same week, I mean most NM gear in 1.0 was U/U and unsellable anyway and what's one more lockout on this game really.

More FATE difficulty would be great too, it's kinda sad that most open world mobs only have 2-3 abilities at best that don't even hit hard, when they had a bigger move pool in 1.0 or even XI which is 11 years old.

oh my bad didnt know they switched it, carry on.

Great points, agree with them all. Especially the point about crafting/gathering and the open world. The most fun I've had in this game is doing my hunting log, and farming for Diremite Webs in the early weeks of release. Kind of sad right? All this content and its those small things I enjoyed the most. I enjoy exploring the world, killing monsters for exp or farming them for unique, and useful loot. Aside from probably a maximum of 6 different enemies, nothing drops ANYTHING useful. And even the ones that do are arguably useless, considering how useless crafting has become. The most useful thing at this moment is the apkulu eggs or how ever they're spelled for food.

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The irony of your post amuses me. You continue to let the point of what I'm saying sail above your head. They need to make us want to do fates. People would do fates if something other than xp was awarded from them and weren't instead used as a means of getting that next level while you wait for a dungeon to pop. Fates above 40 should drop something worthwhile then people would do them, instead you have exactly what you posted a fate with a timer that will expire because there is no reason to do that fate instead of fate spams in Coerthas.

Ps - the example i gave which i mentioned was something I thought of on the fly in less than 30 seconds, yet you still feel the need to call the mechanic silly. You offer nothing useful to this conversation, please contribute or find another post to muck up.

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Well all you've done up to this point was complain about FATEs being faceroll, I was just explaining that they're just for exp and using your example to show how it wouldn't matter :\

The director sadly doesn't wants gear to come from other sources (NMs, HNMs, crafting), which is weird since he came from WoW, where some BiS are crafted from recipes dropped in raids and now there are world bosses that drops good gear.

I know its been mentioned in other threads but i feel like they probably should have taken a closer look at the system of fates that Gw2 uses, they scale well with the number of people actively participating, and usually follow along chain of order most often progressing up to either a small boss or a larger world/zone boss that can drop decent gear and isn't subject to competition.

But outside of fates i still wonder why they took away the small NM system that was present in 1.0, they were hardly over camped or necessary and dropped gear that was mostly a side-grade for a few levels at best without hurting crafting or endgame, they seemed to work fine as they were.

Do the Devs even bother reading these posts? I hope they do, but I can't help but wander whether or not they would actually take some of the suggestions posted in this thread seriously. Sometimes I feel that many game developers (for mmo especially) are very content with their own "accomplishments", like how much they have done and give to the players, while overlooking the fact that a big part of their accomplishments are just SO FAR AWAY from the players' expectations.

Why work so hard to produce contents that will mostly please the dev team itself instead of addressing the issues that the players are experiencing with the game, issues that people just keep talking about? When creating new contents or fixing pre-existing contents, it's really not that hard to at least consider things from the players' perspective, right..?

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Cleric stance INCREASES your magic damage and reduces your cure potency.

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And swaps your int/mind stats; but hey, if BLMs want to seriously nerf their damage, by all means.

i generally agree with the points on crafting and open world, although i too hold the believe that crafting the best gear around brings with it certain issues of its own as it might compel players to purchase gil for the best gear as what has happened in various MMOs in the past, the best gear IMO should be restricted to only dungeon drops

As for making crafters more relevant, I think that they could be tasked with the crafting of various vanity gear e.g a full suit of Ifrit armor or special bardings, this would place crafter's skills in demand would serve to make them more relevant

i felt like 1-50 was really a tutorial for the end game i honestly wanted to mob grind or atleast have each mob drop a item worth killing. I just hope in the future when level is increased they get rid of the leves fates for it and just have good old big open world area grinding mobs with friends all day going for half a level or that 1 item with a 1/20000 chance of dropping.

i think with materia they should add skill bonuses not overpowered ones but say half a second longer on a stun 20 potency on a certain skills ect ect. So many good ways to make this game 10times better. i wanna grind with my friends.. not run around all day for silly fates.

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They need to make us want to do fates.

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They'll probably try to do this by dumping allagan tomestones on us.

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Devs have been very active today on the forum.....

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Sadly not with reading.

And don't mix up developers with first level supporters. We face the latter here.

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Do the Devs even bother reading these posts?

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No.

Sorry, sometimes it's painful to face the truth.

I wish I could like the original post more than once.

you know what i find very funny? How all the white knights defend 2.0 but now it seems like 2.0 digressed all the way back to 1.0. In 1.0 every at the first month or 2 thought the game was fun and interesting, accepting things the way they were cause hey game is new they fix it. But now that people actually beat they content that all there was to offer people just started to look around more and noticing all the faults. Exactly what we have right now..... everyone finished pretty much everything so now is the noticing things that are wrong and SE isnt doing much right. So the sub will decrease and bam 1.0 all over. So many people i know are betting on 2.2 if its not enough i think we might be done with this game.

PS: dont stay people blew through content, poor excuse.

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Cool story bro... no one is saying most blew through content. You guys who have nothing to do are a "very" small part of the player base. You do realize the people that beat T5 is a very low minority compared to the community as a whole. Most are on Titian HM working on relics atm trying to farm Myth/CT gear.You would also be amazed that people actually like the game like myself(who would believe). It sounds to me that regardless of what se does you won't be satisfied. This game will never be a FF11 (difficulty wise). This MMO is for casual-semi hard core and I doubt this will change so either your on board or your not. Now I do think FF14 still needs work (open world/crafting).This isn't a white knight post. To me it just seems your trolling or just exaggerating, the game is no where as bad as your making it to seem lol. Also is English your 1st language It was hard read ?

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now it seems like 2.0 digressed all the way back to 1.0. In 1.0 every at the first month or 2 thought the game was fun and interesting, accepting things the way they were cause hey game is new they fix it.

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History repeats itself. But there is one important difference between back then and today. Back then, 1.0 had bad reviews and very bad press.

And who cares how the game will be in a year. Right now, only 1 thing is important: Securring a cashflow by releasing the PS4 version before the public realizes what this game and all the promises have become.

Maybe we should stop pointing out the problems in these forums here. The latest official comments only show that we're preaching to people who are purposely deaf and blind. Take your concerrns to the press instead.
Other forums like those of Gamespot, IGN, etc. may be a better place. Bringing the truth to the public instead of talking about it in a locked room.

Also let me tell you about crafting Bis Gear...It would be a disaster talk about destroying an economy. People would sell Bis gear for at least 10M+ for one piece. Look at how much they charge for i70 w materia now they want a like 1M+ for pieces. This game will turn into a gil game and a rmt heaven. If they allowed you to craft bis, just to afford it you would be forced to level crafts just to make gil to buy the bis gear or you would have to farm gil for days on end. A very large portion would just start buying gold or use bots to obtain gil. Also if you craft Bis what would you do once you had the gear? Run raids once or twice just to see them then never do them again. So the devs will stop making/expanding Raids because no one will run them enough for it to be a feasible investment of resources to expand on that content. I don't want to play a game that EG focus is about crafting and farming gil just to have gear to stand around and do nothing with. Sounds very GW2ish in how we would ideally be doing EG for vanity since people would just buy Bis and then stand around and do nothing.

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Cool story bro... You do realize the people that beat T5 is a very low minority compared to the community as a whole. Most are on Titian HM working on relics atm trying to farm Myth/CT gear.You would also be amazed that people actually like the game like myself(who would believe). It sounds to me that regardless of what se does you won't be satisfied. This game will never be a FF11 (difficulty wise). This MMO is for casual-semi hard core and I doubt this will change so either your on board or your not. Now I do think FF14 still needs work (open world/crafting).This isn't a white knight post Its just seems your trolling or just exaggerating the game is no where as bad as your making it to seem lol. Also is English your 1st language I could barley understand what your writing?

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well you know even SE said they didnt anticipate the number of people who got the +1 relic weapons which is why they are making new weapons better. Thats the +1 that they meant, the one that cost 900 Myth, not the one from beating titan. which if by what SE said didnt expect +1 means ALOT of people beat Titans so that excuse is gone. And yes i am angry they game went from the 1.23 to this hand me this on a silver platter, i play mmos for the time sink, i like the grind, the challenge and rewards. Which is why i havent bought a Regular video game in a long time i dont wanna pay 60 dollars for a game im gonna beat the day i bought it.

PS cool story about Twintania, tobad next patch its gonna be nerfed so that pride that you had that your one of the few that could beat it is gone. and im not a hardcore player i player the hours that i can when i can so that casual crap is no excuse.

Won't happen this much excessive, Whiz.
Sure at first the price would be abnormally high, it always have been so.

The point is, SE has to fuel this part of the economy with a reasonable amount of needed items.
Vanya & Co has been so expansive becaus of the time needed to grind the items needed, not ore, not less.

SE can let bosses drop BoA items needed for syntheses. -> The syntheses is triggered like materia melding atm. -> HQ/NQ both possible and valuable! But HQ is hard to reach, so content will be replayed and is a tad bit more challenging as long as you have a mix of NQ/HQ.

DoW -> has it in his own hands to collect needed mats
DoL -> makes profit on MB
DoH -> craft (whats essentially all they would like to do)

This could be the beginning of a better game for all of us.

I really want to know do they give us feedback via forums when we ask all these questions about the game? content, fantasia, changes, 1.0, this version, anything? Or are we just left to guess?
I asked something before and got a warning via email about asking for customer service was a violation of the tos and if I asked for customer service again I would get my game account banned for this. I am kind of getting upset with the way I and many are being treated and I have wrote them back with no word, Only automated feedback and ignored perhaps? I feel like I am fishing without bait.

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well you know even SE said they didnt anticipate the number of people who got the +1 relic weapons which is why they are making new weapons better. Thats the +1 that they meant, the one that cost 900 Myth, not the one from beating titan. which if by what SE said didnt expect +1 means ALOT of people beat Titans so that excuse is gone. And yes i am angry they game went from the 1.23 to this hand me this on a silver platter, i play mmos for the time sink, i like the grind, the challenge and rewards. Which is why i havent bought a Regular video game in a long time i dont wanna pay 60 dollars for a game im gonna beat the day i bought it.

PS cool story about Twintania, tobad next patch its gonna be nerfed so that pride that you had that your one of the few that could beat it is gone. and im not a hardcore player i player the hours that i can when i can so that casual crap is no excuse.

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Where is this info se released. The last info se released stat wise showed that the majority wasn't even in coil thats why it made sense to implement CT because "most" are just getting to coil "now". Also idk where you got that +1 info I',m on Levi one of the most populated NA servers and I see plenty shouting/PF for Titian HM for relics. You even had posters in this thread i believe complaining they want a titian HM nerf because they can't get their relic. Most that play this isn't hard core this game is kind of wowish. Again this game isn't about super grinds only super grind they have now is FC housing. Finally I have no problem with them nerfing T5, I'd like to get in there b4 that and down her but if I don't no biggie. I'm on T5/Primal X farm atm I haven't beat T5 yet lol

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Won't happen this much excessive, Whiz.
Sure at first the price would be abnormally high, it always have been so.

The point is, SE has to fuel this part of the economy with a reasonable amount of needed items.
Vanya & Co has been so expansive becaus of the time needed to grind the items needed, not ore, not less.

SE can let bosses drop BoA items needed for syntheses. -> The syntheses is triggered like materia melding atm. -> HQ/NQ both possible and valuable! But HQ is hard to reach, so content will be replayed and is a tad bit more challenging as long as you have a mix of NQ/HQ.

DoW -> has it in his own hands to collect needed mats
DoL -> makes profit on MB
DoH -> craft (whats essentially all they would like to do)

This could be the beginning of a better game for all of us.

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You must of not played 1.0 where there were no locks and drops were rng with a non existent drop rate. Everyone "hated" it. Thats why they implemented the Raid/token system. Maybe letting crafters meld materia to raid/token gear and craft good looking vanity slot gear might work but if they ever let bis gear be crafted and bought i'm done with the game.

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You must of not played 1.0 where there were no locks and drops were rng with a non existent drop rate. Everyone "hated" it. Thats why they implemented the Raid/token system. Maybe letting crafters meld materia to raid/token gear and craft good looking vanity slot gear might work but if they ever let bis gear be crafted and bought i'm done with the game.

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I agree, to a point... what I would like to see is dungeon gear which actually needs a crafter to complete. Right now there's only one, and that's the relic weapon which needs a level 55 weapon as a base before you can make it.

For example, what if you had to gather multiple ingredients from different dungeons so that a crafter could put together the pieces and form your weapon or armor? They could include a system where you could craft using these rare and unique items without trading them over, so that only the individual who actually found them could request a craft or craft it themselves.

Better that than letting crafting become completely redundant. Heck, we're halfway to redundancy already.

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You must of not played 1.0 where there were no locks and drops were rng with a non existent drop rate. Everyone "hated" it. Thats why they implemented the Raid/token system.

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you can speak for your own but not for others, i would rather see the non-existing droprates instead of 100% Drops and lockouts for a whole week.

For the crafter part: Let Bosses drop Abjurations like in XI, and let materials they are needed for a cursed item obtained via. Treasure Hunt, less Chance to obtain via DoL or and some High Level Endgame Fates by achieving Gold. The Materials should be r/x but the finished Cursed Item can be sold or traded. Then you go with the Cursed Item and Abjuration to the Legendary Blacksmith and he crafts the Armor for you. That would atleast make sense of playing a DoH Job in the future.

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You must of not played 1.0 where there were no locks and drops were rng with a non existent drop rate. Everyone "hated" it.

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I didn't hate it. Liked it more than any token system.

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I really want to know do they give us feedback via forums when we ask all these questions about the game? content, fantasia, changes, 1.0, this version, anything? Or are we just left to guess?
I asked something before and got a warning via email about asking for customer service was a violation of the tos and if I asked for customer service again I would get my game account banned for this. I am kind of getting upset with the way I and many are being treated and I have wrote them back with no word, Only automated feedback and ignored perhaps? I feel like I am fishing without bait.

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That sounds like an empty threat.

Edit: On another note, it feels like there is a bit of bait and switch going on in Final Fantasy XIV ARR, as the game we play when leveling up is just incredibly different from the game we are playing at the level cap.

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The game hasn't fully fleshed out, we barely have half of the total jobs meant for the game. Give it some time, sheesh.

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this has nothing to do with the OP >.>

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this has nothing to do with the OP >.>

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That's not entirely true. What the OP is saying is that there are features that are not being used to their maximum potential. As the game "fleshes" out (like more feature for more incentive, such as housing was supposed to increase crafting demands).

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Well written and thought out post

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Sadly I don't see SE making the necessary changes to some of the features anytime soon.

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The game hasn't fully fleshed out, we barely have half of the total jobs meant for the game. Give it some time, sheesh.

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The game has not fleshed out in terms of jobs to play or even more content to do but that cannot be said for the halfway implementation of some of the features in game. Many of things people are asking for are QoL things and do in fact take time but other things makes zero sense. For example, not being able to use your chocobo while queued in duty finder or not being able to use your chocobo when doing the instanced job quest. The chocobo companion is a good idea but poorly implemented.

I don't want extremely Op cross class abilities but I wish the ones I picked up from cnj for my sch were actually useful even if there is a whm in the party. Right now I get the gimped version of stoneskin and protect which I don't even use in this situation. Whereas whm get virus and E4E which can be used even with a sch or smn in the party. While its not game breaking and doesn't take a away the enjoyment I have when playing my Sch it still makes me scratch my head a little.

The armoire in the inn room. Great idea!... that we can't immediately put event items into.

I'm not even going to bother mentioning the wasted potential of the awesome crafting system.