Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

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Originally Posted by NightHour

With regards to the 7.05 raids - They were good but way too easy, the fact that 3x as many people cleared Light Heavyweight Week 1 opposed to Asphodelos (Endwalker's 1st tier) says a lot for it's difficulty.

But that's because the tier was tuned around 7.0 job tuning and most jobs got substansial buffs in 7.05.

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It's still confusing that they opted to buff the potencies of every other job in the game to try and match PCT, making the tier much easier, instead of just nerfing PCT. I don't know if it was to try and sell more copies of DT or just the "Nerfs feel bad, never do them unless you do" philosophy they've talked about.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

You are in the EU region. There are multiple languages in the EU. As such, voice is difficult, because it requries all the players there to be able to understand what is being said (verbally). It's different in the NA region because almost everyone universally speaks English. While it's rare in the NA region too, it's far more common than "twice". I mean, I killed Zalenia Extreme almost 100 times and plenty of them did drop discord links. Maybe 20-40%? I don't really track the percentage. It's optional to join, but I always do it.

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Like you, I play on Aether. I have never once seen a Discord link dropped in chat in any of the content I do.

The happy, shiny people you meet, who are all laughing and having a good time, are clearly in EX+ content. We understand why they're having a good time. The game is now made exclusively for them.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It's still confusing that they opted to buff the potencies of every other job in the game to try and match PCT, making the tier much easier, instead of just nerfing PCT. I don't know if it was to try and sell more copies of DT or just the "Nerfs feel bad, never do them unless you do" philosophy they've talked about.

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Also the fact it took almost a year to accept Picto was overtuned and finally nerf it.

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Originally Posted by remiff

the Final Fantasy Tactics remaster (also done by the 3rd Division)

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damn, i was actually looking forward to that. probably going to be screwed up in some way. bet it'll be a bad port at the least.

The japanese like how the game plays that's why he won't change anything. It's like he's indirectly telling the western audience to either play the way it is or to go f yourself and go over to Blizzard (which most already did and the rest continues to do). The people who think 8.0 will have talent trees, builds, actual button choice instead of a hard clockwork rotation and raids that actually require class skill, resource management and brain instead of a kindergarten 'glow glow glow now figure where to stand' game will be in for a huge let-down. Because the japanese don't like that kinda stuff. Just like in their real life, they want to be told what to do.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I wasn't just saying just Hildibrand and the beast tribe, but the beast tribe and custom delivery is spaced out and something to occupy a casual amount of time. I mentioned hunts, FATEs and PvP Series because I know lots and lots of people who don't raid that do and enjoy these things. I say it only because I personally did these things myself and enjoyed them.

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Are these lots and lots of people in the same room with us now? Nothing wrong with saying you enjoy something, but I am willing to bet my savings on the fact that a five minute daily for beast tribes, OLD hunts, OLD fates is nothing to get overly thrilled and happy about for "lots and lots of people". My whole FC for example is pretty much done with the game, half unsubbed and didnt come back after they heard Occult is just the same stuff over again, half just meander along, including myself. This whole narrative of "the forums is just an outlier and the REAL people inside the game actually enjoy repeating the same slop" Look I'm happy that you are surrounded by these happy people who enjoy whatever SE dishes out, but that is not the overwhelming majority of people, like you claim.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Beast tribes and custom deliveries aren’t really enough to be even called casual imo.
One is three quests a day for about 15 min and the other is a few deliveries a week you do in another 15 min.
That is hardly enough to occupy even those who only play a little bit after work.

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If we assume that some people will finish at 5PM, drive home which could take time, then make dinner, then they get to the peak hours of 8PM-10PM, then 15 minutes is 12.5% of that. A roulette could be another 12.5% of that. PvP could be another 12.5%. The idea is obviously that these combined activities add up.

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what have casual players truly gotten outside the A raid until this field zone?

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Hunts, maps, cosmic exploration, normal raids which have weekly rewards, various weeklies, class/job leveling if people bother, and I still think Extreme/Unreal is not that hardcore unless you have a disability. I'm not saying they can't add more things for this scenario.

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The scales between content has become strangely tilted towards tactical raiding, even in the new field zone instead of raiding where you just jump in like with Delubrum normal, Castrum or Dalriada

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I haven't got around to Forked Tower yet, so I can't comment on that. I agree that Bozja did it well. But even without that, the CEs are pretty good honestly and I'm still enjoying doing them.

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Even if many of the exhausted ones have left that is nothing to be happy about

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I'm not being happy about it I'm just being honest about what I see in the game as someone that actually interacts with randoms in the game all of the time. I can't, in all honesty say what OP said is reflected in the sentiments I see every day inside the game.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

You are like the cheerleader who never shuts up. You just can't seem to accept this game is in a crap state, and no matter the criticisms you have to blindly cheer for things and have a counterpoint to every person's complaint. I am happy YOU love the slop being served up by 14, but some of us who have played over a decade are FED the HELL up.

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As just put above, I'm just being honest about what I see. That and counterpoints are good. It's not so good when things are an echo chamber because they become isolated from the other perspectives and viewpoints that exist in the world. Sometimes people want these forums to be like a political chamber where only one party's view is reflected or debated, but it's only through debate that a middleground solution can be worked out.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I play on Aether. I have never once seen a Discord link dropped in chat in any of the content I do.

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Odd but like I said, it is rare. If I join 100 prog parties to get 100 Extreme totems, I will on average see discord links in maybe 20 of them. Same with Savage really. It's not absolutely needed but there are many people in NA that like to use it or have small friend/PUG servers or FC servers.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Odd but like I said, it is rare. If I join 100 prog parties to get 100 Extreme totems, I will on average see discord links in maybe 20 of them. Same with Savage really. It's not absolutely needed but there are many people in NA that like to use it or have small friend/PUG servers or FC servers.

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Right, we engage with very different content.

I do play a lot of Frontline in which Discord vc is used, but almost exclusively by premades supercharging their advantage.

I understand this as a strategy, but personally have no interest in vc because it completely destroys immersion.

Those of us who prefer a solo approach to the game are constantly derided because "This is a MMORPG!!!" Which is ironic because vc advocates are essentially eliminating the RP element.

To get back to the original point, I completely agree with Hallarem. It's great you intersect with happy people in-game. My community is thoroughly pissed off and half of it has unsubbed.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

half of it has unsubbed.

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That's essentially what I mean. The people I knew who expressed negativity sentiment unsubscribed after Dawntrail release as well. So the lion's share of exhausted people seem a lot quieter like many of them ain't here no more. Of course it will always be like this on this forum, so I have to ground myself by seeing how it is in the game itself. If I was just seeing pure negativity everywhere then I'd say that.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

That's essentially what I mean. The people I knew who expressed negativity sentiment unsubscribed after Dawntrail release as well. So the lion's share of exhausted people seem a lot quieter like many of them ain't here no more. Of course it will always be like this on this forum, so I have to ground myself by seeing how it is in the game itself. If I was just seeing pure negativity everywhere then I'd say that.

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As mentioned, where we differ is the timing of the exodus. You place it earlier than my experience.

I'd also suggest that making the proportion of happy online players larger by compelling the less happy ones to quit is a peculiar approach to game design.