Concerning the 2 new Jobs

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

um no. We are getting a melee dps AND a magic dps. I am talking about the melee dps branching off of the Rouge, another melee dps.

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??? That's what I said??? One is a caster, one is a melee that we're getting. Either way I misread what you said, but it doesn't matter much: even if the new job is taking the scouting equipment, it wouldn't scale off of ROG/NIN, they share a base primary stat in dexterity... just like they do with aiming. Just because they share stats and the set would benefit them, doesn't mean they should come from the same guild. BLM, RDM, and SMN all share the same gear as well, it just means we don't have gear bloat.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

After what they did with rogue/ninja, they said they would never drop another class in the middle of an expansion again.

Only way that would happen is if it's a limited class.

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I think that was because NIN was supposed to come in 2.0, but some delays happened in getting it finished so they just... dropped it in 2.4 instead. It was a pain to do from what they said. I can only imagine since they were likely also working on AST, DRK, and MCH for HW at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Iirc, Cross class weaponskill animations were actually unique to each weapon type. For instance, Fracture on MRD, PGL, ROG, GLD, and LNC were all different, tailored to each class. Not always the highest effort of animations, but oddities from sharing animations wasn't among their problems because, well, they literally didn't share animations; the equivalents just attempted to have a similar enough vibe/flair/visible intent.

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They still are in some cases! If you use Peloton, there's a difference in the animation used on all three jobs that use it. :)

Stupid question but im confused, is geomancer a healer??

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Originally Posted by Rikizza

Stupid question but im confused, is geomancer a healer??

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Don't recall anything specific in the few mentions of it's existence on a specific role for Geomancer, Only that it could help divine the future beside AST by tapping into the energy of the earth rather than the stars. For all we know they could fight like earthbenders... though not as good as toph since SE probably wouldn't give them metal bending for reasons... so you'd have to settle for being The Boulder...

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Don't recall anything specific in the few mentions of it's existence on a specific role for Geomancer, Only that it could help divine the future beside AST by tapping into the energy of the earth rather than the stars. For all we know they could fight like earthbenders... though not as good as toph since SE probably wouldn't give them metal bending for reasons... so you'd have to settle for being The Boulder...

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I think, and hope, it will be a totem class (like the old totems of the shaman from WoW). If we get the geomancer. There is some evidence to this idea. 1, In the stormblood astro quest, we cleansed shines. 2, the turtles have relics that have power. These were used in EW.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Not sure about the melee ones, but the casts were NOT.

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Which is why I only said as much about the weaponskills. Granted, that applied to ranged weaponskills as well (e.g., Feint on HW Bard to bypass the cast-times during WM while still getting the 30% bonus damage, though on a lower potency).

Abilities and casts both carried over identically, making for some pretty ridiculous Internal Release animations on Lancer and Archer, for instance, while Mercy Blow (the oGCD attack that healed you for 20% HP if it got the killing blow) was, for everyone, just a sort of... dual arm-pump with a pelvic thrust, I think?

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Originally Posted by rainichan

They still are in some cases! If you use Peloton, there's a difference in the animation used on all three jobs that use it. :)

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Yep, and the Grazes, though the differences aren't remotely exciting.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Well in the case of SMN and SCH, sure they used books but eventually the books separated into 2 types. If they'd gone forward with branching every base class into 2 jobs with different roles we might have seen things like lancer taking up a 1 handed pike and tower shield to be a templar filling the tank role, or a gladiator dropping the shield for a 2nd sword to be a DPS fighter job, etc...

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From my understanding that was the original idea but Machinist came along and they couldn't figure out how to properly separate the two so they scrapped the whole thing. Which seems needlessly wasteful in my opinion, the ability to split off classes at thirty sounds amazing and would have opened up so many options.

I can see where the challenges are but it seems to me like they've already overcome them, what with Machinists focusing on heat gauge and gadgets. Musketeer could have focused on gun skills, maybe switching up to a two handed rifle and utilizing hand grenades and traps.

Eh well, c'est la vie.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

If you have the new classes at level 70+, new players will not get the chance to try out the new cool flashy thing and be forced to play for hours of a job they didn\\\\'t want to play. Which they may decide to pass on the game all together because of it.

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That's kind of the point. They want to encourage trial players to subscribe and/or purchase boosts by not allowing them to have the new shiny thing. Can also take it literally with them excluding Ultimates from the free trial. xD

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Originally Posted by Kansene

Probably gonna get them at 80. That said, I can't wait to see what they come up with tbh.
Maybe jobs that build up some gauge or resource, then spends it, ideally in a 15 sec window every 2 minutes.

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I find it kinda weird to get a new job and it's already close to cap. Progression in this game is so weird.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

From my understanding that was the original idea but Machinist came along and they couldn't figure out how to properly separate the two so they scrapped the whole thing. Which seems needlessly wasteful in my opinion, the ability to split off classes at thirty sounds amazing and would have opened up so many options.

I can see where the challenges are but it seems to me like they've already overcome them, what with Machinists focusing on heat gauge and gadgets. Musketeer could have focused on gun skills, maybe switching up to a two handed rifle and utilizing hand grenades and traps.

Eh well, c'est la vie.

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IMO I feel like back then it would have resolved a fair amount of DPS crying over being the only role constantly waiting in DF queue back in ARR if every core class got a split at 30 to choose from 2 different roles that leveled together since the exp applied to the core class itself. Though back in ARR jobs also had to be unlocked via leveling a second core class which certain types of players were already crying over.

Since this turned into that discussion, Green Mage and probably Corsair.