We're all DDs now >.>

I don't really care about people who don't want to dps when they're playing a healer, if they can't or don't want to, for whatever reason (e.g. tanks/healers not good enough, dps taking avoidable damage, party members dying, learning new contents, physical limitations, even laziness). The ones I don't like are those who don't dps and go around telling people that healers shouldn't dps. That's just not the best way to play healers in this game, considering the abilities of tanks and healers would allow a lot of downtime where heals aren't needed. I don't care if people are bad or don't want to be good, but please don't tell others to be bad as well.

You don't have to like this "dps meta" but you can't deny that it's the optimal way to play right now. Same thing as tanks, some players in the tank subforum don't like the meta, they'd prefer if encounters are designed such that tanks have to play more defensively, but they still accepted that maximizing dps by reducing tank stance uptime is the best way to play right now, and still encouraged newbies to try doing so.

Why are you wailing at the players?

Wail at SE for making tanking and healing so overpowered and easy that people don't even consider them full jobs.

Go ahead, make holding aggro and surviving just basic mobs require the same effort as dealing decent DPS on a DPS job. Make it so that you need to always be casting as healer to do your job like any DPS needs to. Give them proper rotations and priority systems that they need to follow in order to do their basic job.

And then watch as the wave of sub-par tanks and healers who fail at their basic job washes over us. But at least nobody is going to complain about them not doing DPS anymore, because a tank/healer that can do their job is gonna become as rare as a DPS that can dish out decent numbers, rather than something you take for granted.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

They all just see this in black and white. "omgz go full dps over 9000 or kick!!!111" - "lolz get a life, i wont do 2 jobs, im a healer!!!11"

No one is actually seeing the middleground here that merely states "put some effort and do some dps when time allows you to do so".
And I'm fed up with that. And it clearly shows in my posts, not gonna deny that.

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You are right about no one seeing the middle ground which was the point of my post the community in general as you stated only sees it as black and white a healer doesn't dps they a bad player and if they are dpsing but not putting 200% effort in then they also a bad player.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

but not putting 200% effort in then they also a bad player.

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To be fair, I've read most of the 100's of pages of Healer DPS threads and I don't recall (Though I may have missed some) anybody saying they want Healers to be going to the extreme to put out astonishing numbers all the time. All I ever see is "Effort", because people believe that healing in low damage output conditions isn't difficult and shouldn't require that much effort- but that often gets blown way out of proportion and Non-DPS Healers take it as a 2k DPS at all times or bust situation.

On the other extreme, I do actually see a lot of "My sub my game" and "I play a healer to be a healer, I'd play a DPS if I wanted to DPS" and even "I play healer when I feel like being lazy" (That one made me really sad.)

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Originally Posted by Lexia

You are right about no one seeing the middle ground which was the point of my post the community in general as you stated only sees it as black and white a healer doesn't dps they a bad player and if they are dpsing but not putting 200% effort in then they also a bad player.

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and thats where youre wrong.
No one ever said the healers have to put 200% effort. Please show me where this has been said.

All people ever said is that they want healers to try...thats freaking far from asking top dps.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

As people on the forums don't want "some effort" they want pedal to the metal 200% effort otherwise person is a bad player. You are also very condescending but I guess that on par for these forums.

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This couldn't be further from the truth. People have been posting again and again and again that as long as a person is trying to be useful, even if their play is far from optimal, that is enough. And that a good attitude is much more important than numbers.

Please show some examples of posts that say you need to push 200% performance to be considered anything else than bad. I'll edit a few examples of the opposite in a minute.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

As for the rest of these posts, the point is that people want to see EFFORT. Nobody's expecting big dicl numbers, especially out of DF of all things. However, you're generally supposed to ASK for a sherpa instead of being lazy and trying to get a free carry.

There's also a thing called context. If you're brand new to an instance, nobody's gonna be mad at you for trying to feel it out. Even if you end up the worst at your role, most will forgive if it looks like you tried. I think that's all anyone's asking

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Originally Posted by Tharne

That's the only thing reasonable people are asking, if during an entire fight you need to heal then no problem you don't have the time to do damage but if you only need to heal during 50% of the fight you should do something (not nothing) during the other 50%.

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Originally Posted by dlgc

We are not expecting you to contribute the most damage output, nor ask you to abandon your primary role. When there is a wide time-frame in which no healing is needed, instead of reading about Toenail Fungus, or watching the latest episode of Log Horizon, or etc., why not throw in a few skills. . . at least some dots to help things along?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

General rule of thumb: you don't have to be a pro MLG high DPS healer for people to be happy with your performance, so long as you have some awareness of when your party is taking damage and when you have downtime. You should learn your toolkit and find the skills which give you downtime (regen, aspects benefic, rouse), and at least weave in some sort of DPS just so you aren't idling, because it's the idling that people notice, not your damage numbers

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

When we are talking about dps on healer, we're not expecting everyone to do 1000 dps.
If every healer just use dots, the very least, it would be enough to stop yelling at those who "don't want to dps because blabla".

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Originally Posted by Purrsnikitty

What people are asking for:

- Heal when healing is necessary. If your party is taking too much damage it is okay to not DPS.
- If you find yourself standing around, throw some dots on, cast a few damage skills.
- Use your time wisely. If you aren't comfortable with the dungeon no one is going to get on you, but if you can contribute please do.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

You are right about no one seeing the middle ground which was the point of my post the community in general as you stated only sees it as black and white a healer doesn't dps they a bad player and if they are dpsing but not putting 200% effort in then they also a bad player.

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Sorry, I have to pipe in too along with everyone else. This is 100% wrong. Everyone i've spoken to in game and on the forums, just wants a little effort. Some healers are more comfortable/more capable than others with DPSing during battle.

Effort can simply mean throwing on DoTs, or a holy here and there... its a matter of trying and comfort level. Comfort is the most important word there.

There will always be jerks that are the extreme ( of which you are speaking ) but those are also the jerks that get their party chats posted to the forums with their names blurred out for us to chuckle at. People that demand 200% effort from healers in casual content are silly and not to be taken seriously.

We've all been dps since ARR launched, since tanking and healing are easy/predictable and the only thing people can do well or badly is dps.

I don't really care if Tanks are out of tank stance. What I do care about is healers, who spam cure when I am at max hp and am in no danger of dying or worse doing nothing until I am near dead, are getting carried through everything. It's more like I hate that they aren't putting in any effort.

I actually play healer sometimes because I KNOW I can get away with being lazy. So I turn on Youtube and start multitasking.....and I still dps 70+% of the duty. Because it is actually that easy. Healers only need to press one button. One. ST attack spam or AOE attack spam. Pretend it's like Cure 2 & Medica for the bad guys and "heal" away. Especially with damage being MND based in SB.

I wonder if this game would have more success if they built it like MH. No healers or tanks, or ability to control the enemies, just pure dps roles.