Dear Square Enix - I want to Craft

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

I think quite frankly players DO NOT want to gather those items in addition to the 11 hours for Favor mat farming.

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Except players should be gathering these materials -while- favor farming. There is no reason to pass up hardsilver ore while doing hinterland favors, nor is there a reason to pass up aurum regis sand / abalathian water while doing sea of cloud favors. (Speaking as a miner). If people are hitting the dirt, pushing as many nodes as possible, one red script equates to almost 10 stacks of mixed materials (probably closer to 2-3 on hidden items).

Unless they're doing crystals, which is pointless when you just do Eph nodes for obscene cluster crystal farming

My money is on that being the -point- of the current favor implementation; To support this huge material sink that the collectible system requires.

That being said, Favors are ridiculous and cutting down the time while maintaining the reward is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Except players should be gathering these materials -while- favor farming. There is no reason to pass up hardsilver ore while doing hinterland favors, nor is there a reason to pass up aurum regis sand / abalathian water while doing sea of cloud favors. (Speaking as a miner). If people are hitting the dirt, pushing as many nodes as possible, one red script equates to almost 10 stacks of mixed materials (probably closer to 2-3 on hidden items).

Unless they're doing crystals, which is pointless when you just do Eph nodes for obscene cluster crystal farming

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I tried this, but the 1 - 2 seconds it takes to move / click the "hidden" spot will cost you about 1 minute in time overall out of 15 minutes. When I go all Crystals I average more nodes per Favor = more Favor mats. It might be easier on a PC but on the PS4 it costs time.

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

I tried this, but the 1 - 2 seconds it takes to move / click the "hidden" spot will cost you about 1 minute in time overall out of 15 minutes. When I go all Crystals I average more nodes per Favor = more Favor mats. It might be easier on a PC but on the PS4 it costs time.

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Glad to hear you're a member of the godstation family.

Inb4 master race debate begins

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Except players should be gathering these materials -while- favor farming.
My money is on that being the -point- of the current favor implementation; To support this huge material sink that the collectible system requires.

That being said, Favors are ridiculous and cutting down the time while maintaining the reward is a good thing.

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Most of the materials on the nodes are worthless. Doubly so for botany. On top of that most of the useful materials are hidden and as such only appear at 1/3 the rate of normal items.

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

11 hours for Favor mat farming

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Reguardless of what anyone chooses to farm or not. The worst of all our problems is the massive number of hours it takes to get these stupid materials. Its such a large amount of time, intermediary gathers aren't even attempting to gather them. Its too large an investment for them to see the use. Only hard core gathers are bothering and as Jade pointed out there are only a few on our server.

Understand what SE did? I've mentioned it several times but fundamentally they took ALL that collected time gearing, regearing, turning in for master books AND RESET IT so they didn't have to develop any recipes (which is why you have 20 people selling the same gear now, since there is virtually no way to profit on this stuff anymore.) They took *all* gather/craft progression and RESET it; you did all your master books and kept up with new gear for each ARR patch? SE says SCREW YOU, ...we have no recipes so go spend your days gathering crap to trade in for ingredients and maybe in 6 months we'll re address the system and see if we can provide you with your reward (items to sell?)

I am so shocked that people don't get this, they didn't make a mistake, they reset the entire system. I stopped crafting. Soon i may just cancel cause I have nothing to do (unless I adhere to their crafting reset and installed crafting dictator aka the spendor vendor.) I mean of all the repulsive things to do, they took all the time anyone spent getting to the status of master crafter and reset it...

We knew a reset was coming. That's not the problem. The problem is the new system removed raid drops, switched material progression to gathers but then removed gather created gear. The combination tanked the economy because someone was TRYING to fix problems but made things 10x worse because of lack of foresight.

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Originally Posted by AnimaS

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I'm not a big fan of the system in place now but I'm a bit puzzled that you're so upset about this. They increased the level cap and released an expansion. Everything became obsolete, more or less. Anyone who cleared t13 and had BiS or did the last stage of relic had their progress erased too. I'm surprised you thought crafters and gatherers should be exempt from this.

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Originally Posted by Thrustie

I'm not a big fan of the system in place now but I'm a bit puzzled that you're so upset about this. They increased the level cap and released an expansion. Everything became obsolete, more or less. Anyone who cleared t13 and had BiS or did the last stage of relic had their progress erased too. I'm surprised you thought crafters and gatherers should be exempt from this.

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I'm surprised you think it's similar i have a level 60 Dragoon and Warrior, the gear I used was replaced with tomes and drops those COMBAT jobs are now functioning; the crafting gear is not. to replace that gear .... we must have all gatherers at 60, we must have all crafts at 60, we must gather virtually all day, first to get scrips then to use them, then to turn them in, then to craft 1 part of 8/8 crafters 3/3 gatherers. A bit different yes?