"Fix Warrior" Threads

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Originally Posted by Taemek

The notion that Warriors want the same amount of mitigation as a Paladin is a joke, not only is the difference negible, it is a downright slap in the face to those who play Paladins and before you cry me a river that I play a Paladin, I play a Warrior.

Warriors need to stop crying to be on par with Paladins, if you want to do that, drop your DPS. sacarfice your DPS cooldowns for survivability cool downs.

I think most of us are just tired of hearing this same argument over and over again and unless you adapt and make it work, SE is going to ignore you in to your place.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3090296/

Hi, I'm a Pally at 50 with relic, so my thoughts carry more weight than yours.

"WARs need a buff."

Thank you very much for your time Taemek.

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Originally Posted by Taemek

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

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hear, hear

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Originally Posted by Taemek

All subjective to personal opinion and player skill.

Truth is, people find it easier to whine, then to put the hard yards in and make it work. Warrior takes more effort to make it work. The only thing true about Paladins is, they are easier to play.

If you want easy mode button mash with little to no thinking required, play Paladin. If you want a class that requires you to think like a chess player and be a few moves ahead, play a Warrior.

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interestingly enough, that's actually the exact opposite of the reality.

to play a paladin properly, you need to preemptively use your cooldowns, you need that extra mitigation up before you take that big hit.

to play a warrior properly, you only need to notice that you've taken a big chunk of damage already, and use inner beast after you've taken that big hit.

Bump, still waiting for taemek warrior

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Originally Posted by Terabyt3

Until WAR's main form of mitigation scales according to incoming damage instead of static they will never be on par with each other. WAR will out tank PLD if the incoming dps is below a certain level. Once the incoming dps gets above that level PLD starts becoming more effective.

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Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage? Or is the Coil and other end-game progression linear in the sense that the only increasing difficulty is "mob hit harder, more hp". I'm leveling up a WAR now as my FC is a little behind me overall in progression, so I haven't cracked Titan yet, much less been to Coil.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage?

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If you had something that didn't hit hard, you wouldn't need a tank to begin with. The tank you used would be irrelevant in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Are there fights that exemplify this attribute of WAR? i.e. the main boss doesn't hit extremely hard but there are a ton of AEs and healers need to focus on healing the group instead, and the WAR uses his self healing to out-tank the PLD with low income damage? Or is the Coil and other end-game progression linear in the sense that the only increasing difficulty is "mob hit harder, more hp". I'm leveling up a WAR now as my FC is a little behind me overall in progression, so I haven't cracked Titan yet, much less been to Coil.

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Warriors are great for 4 man dungeons - better than paladins on most bosses there. 8 man dungeons on the other hand, I can't think of any boss where a warrior would be better off.

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Originally Posted by Pinch

Paladins would still be better in that situation because they take more effective healing than a Warrior.

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That is not true... If a warrior is taking about 350 incoming DPS or less and using IB often the warrior will need less outside healing than the paladin. The issue with Warrior vs PLD is that the threshold where PLD surpasses warrior is fairly low( Incoming DPS wise ) And anything over that threshold you start to see huge differences in survivability.

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Originally Posted by Derza

That is not true... If a warrior is taking about 350 incoming DPS or less and using IB often the warrior will need less outside healing than the paladin. The issue with Warrior vs PLD is that the threshold where PLD surpasses warrior is fairly low( Incoming DPS wise ) And anything over that threshold you start to see huge differences in survivability.

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You caught me before my edit.

Anyways, if you were taking that little DPS, you could just use a DPS class to tank it.

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Originally Posted by Pinch

You caught me before my edit.

Anyways, if you were taking that little DPS, you could just use a DPS class to tank it.

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If that worked i'm sure they would... but if you bring another DPS class the Healer would be "tanking" it.

Also if you had a DPS tanking it they wouldn't be taking the 350 dps that a warrior would... it would be closer to 400-450+ (because of armor and what not) and they wouldn't be able to hold threat - So point is Warrior is best option for 4 man dungeons but beyond that it is very hard to justify having a warrior in the group.

Sadly i had to do Titan on my warrior in the DPS role. Was just too hard to convince anyone to stay with a warrior tank - And I ended up averaging 146 DPS for the fight (with ifrits axe), i was 3rd dps behind the 2 bards that already had relic weapons( they had 185 dps and 160 dps avg for the fight).