Open World PvP

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Originally Posted by Velnora

If it's so meaningless to talk about and "subjective", why does this community constantly gatekeep, and throw a fit whenever WoW players are coming over?

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They don't there are tons of guides on reddit for WoW transferees, Zepla herself came from WoW and was welcomed.

No one outright throws fits when wo players come to xiv.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They don't there are tons of guides on reddit for WoW transferees, Zepla herself came from WoW and was welcomed.

No one outright throws fits when wo players come to xiv.

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Not only was Zepla welcomed, there's Annie Fuchsia, Rich Campbell, Big Hero Sixy, and a bunch of other WoW players streaming their progress through FFXIV right now feeling welcomed :)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They don't there are tons of guides on reddit for WoW transferees, Zepla herself came from WoW and was welcomed.

No one outright throws fits when wo players come to xiv.

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Zepla literally just posted a video about people gatekeeping.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Josh Strife Hayes did a really nice video on why hardcore PvP MMOs don't satisfy most people ... after a few months. Don't have much hope for Ashes either TBH :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFh-Y7sdXXQ

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I often disagree with JSH when he does his video opinion pieces like this but I don't have a single bone of contention with this one, I think he is spot on.

Earlier in this thread I was told, several times that I either don't understand PvP, or am in some way frightened of it, I didn't respond, because it was irrelevant but I did laugh. I've played CoD since Modern Warfare and have an above average K/D, I've played many racing games online and love RTS games like Warhammer and Command and Conquer. I have no problem with PvP in controlled environments like it is here in FFXIV.

Open world PvP, forced onto a player base that didn't want it is an entirely different animal, PvP is fun when it's fair, by the very nature of MMO's in the open world it will never be fair.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Not only was Zepla welcomed, there's Annie Fuchsia, Rich Campbell, Big Hero Sixy, and a bunch of other WoW players streaming their progress through FFXIV right now feeling welcomed :)

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She was just the biggest example i could come up with. I don't follow streamers for XIV, or in general really.

The funniest thing is, people on the forums tend to hate on XI and people who ask for XIV to turn into that style of game far more than players coming from WoW and asking questions. ( I had a terrible XI experience, so I am one of those people. I barely played WoW, so I have no opinion on it)

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I often disagree with JSH when he does his video opinion pieces like this but I don't have a single bone of contention with this one, I think he is spot on.

Earlier in this thread I was told, several times that I either don't understand PvP, or am in some way frightened of it, I didn't respond, because it was irrelevant but I did laugh. I've played CoD since Modern Warfare and have an above average K/D, I've played many racing games online and love RTS games like Warhammer and Command and Conquer. I have no problem with PvP in controlled environments like it is here in FFXIV.

Open world PvP, forced onto a player base that didn't want it is an entirely different animal, PvP is fun when it's fair, by the very nature of MMO's in the open world it will never be fair.

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I don't think open world would work simply for the fact that it's already extremely empty. There would have to be incentive to hang out in the world.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

He was the only one sent a death threat and chased off the platform.

"Harrassment" is such a subjective and low bar it's fairly meaningless to talk about. There was an incident in Aether the other day where people were arguing that the songbirds bots were toxic, shortly after they (well someone) chased them off Siren *shrugs*

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This is incorrect. While not a twitch streamer, LazyPeon got sent death threts to the point he had to take down his entire youtube video because people were literally doxxing his address. Guess why they sent him that? Because he criticized the game. Again, you would have the right of it, if it wasnt something thats occurred many times. One or two times is a mistake. 3 or more is a pattern. In 14's case, its a pattern. It's a known problem in this community that it cannot take criticism, both inside the game and outside of it. Theres a problem with this culture of enabling things that shouldnt be enabled. Handwaving it is why its becoming more rampant as the days go by. Just look at the posts in the asmongold thread lmao. People gatekeeping and hoping he never comes. That's why i bring up its funny that people critique other games so harshly but then wont even be open to people from other games coming. It's why i hope one of these upcoming mmo's just shits on 14. Maybe then it'll give this community the reality check it deserves.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is incorrect. While not a twitch streamer, LazyPeon got sent death threts to the point he had to take down his entire youtube video because people were literally doxxing his address. Guess why they sent him that? Because he criticized the game. Again, you would have the right of it, if it wasnt something thats occurred many times. One or two times is a mistake. 3 or more is a pattern. In 14's case, its a pattern. It's a known problem in this community that it cannot take criticism, both inside the game and outside of it. Theres a problem with this culture of enabling things that shouldnt be enabled. Handwaving it is why its becoming more rampant as the days go by. Just look at the posts in the asmongold thread lmao. People gatekeeping and hoping he never comes. That's why i bring up its funny that people critique other games so harshly but then wont even be open to people from other games coming. It's why i hope one of these upcoming mmo's just shits on 14. Maybe then it'll give this community the reality check it deserves.

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"Great community btw"

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is incorrect. While not a twitch streamer, LazyPeon got sent death threts to the point he had to take down his entire youtube video because people were literally doxxing his address. Guess why they sent him that? Because he criticized the game. Again, you would have the right of it, if it wasnt something thats occurred many times. One or two times is a mistake. 3 or more is a pattern. In 14's case, its a pattern. It's a known problem in this community that it cannot take criticism, both inside the game and outside of it. Theres a problem with this culture of enabling things that shouldnt be enabled. Handwaving it is why its becoming more rampant as the days go by. Just look at the posts in the asmongold thread lmao. People gatekeeping and hoping he never comes. That's why i bring up its funny that people critique other games so harshly but then wont even be open to people from other games coming. It's why i hope one of these upcoming mmo's just shits on 14. Maybe then it'll give this community the reality check it deserves.

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Every mmo thats released since XIV has been said "it'll kill xiv" BDO, Arch Age (hah, remember that one?!)

Also, I remember watching lazy peons video. He didn't provide criticism so much as he crapped on the game.

From my experience most people who are upset about asmongold coming over are former WoW players, as they are the ones who know who he is. I'd never heard of him until recently

also, I find it funny you accuse others of being unable to take criticism, while being unable t do so about ashes yourself. Plus, theres a LOT of PvP "gatekeeping" in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Every mmo thats released since XIV has been said "it'll kill xiv" BDO, Arch Age (hah, remember that one?!)

Also, I remember watching lazy peons video. He didn't provide criticism so much as he crapped on the game.

From my experience most people who are upset about asmongold coming over are former WoW players, as they are the ones who know who he is. I'd never heard of him until recently

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Differentiate between criticism and "crapping on the game". How is that an excuse for death threats and doxxing?

I don't know how you can criticize a game that isn't even out yet.