The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Here we go again. NyarukoW returns.

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Get it through your head Nyaruko. No one has enough time in the day to be perfectly inclusive for every person who walks in front of them. What you're asking for is not only ridiculous, but physically and temporally impossible. You need to align your expectations with reality. Asking people to be inclusive over and over will never change that very real physical and time limitation.

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Take care Tiggy! He's going ot use his ancient but not so secret technique of the "Cutting some words of a full text then trying to make you look trash" because his knowledge over ffxiv-end-game is soo accurate!*

*Or not. Though he's obviously better than us! I wonder if they all poop rainbows too in his/her FC xD (no offenses).

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

... You lump all raiders into this run selling player chastising group ...

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I don't lump raiders with clear sellers. It is the clear sellers themselves that come here and do that. They are proud of it too. You have the problem of separating them out. Don't play devil's advocate for the clear sellers, that is a first step to shedding that attitude.

I don't know if I can can make more clear see in this thread, and that was not the first time I've said it:

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

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Speed run is fine, speed runners are NOT.
Elite players are fine, elitists are NOT.
Raiders are fine, clear sellers are NOT.
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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

I don't lump raiders with clear sellers. It is the clear sellers themselves that come here and do that. They are proud of it too. You have the problem of separating them out.

I don't know if I can can make more clear see in this thread, and that was not the first time I've said it:

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You have no legs to stand on for such a blatant lie. Just on this last page you attributed an attitude from BobtheBlackMage to me. You're literally taking Bob's attitude and acting like I have and to that you said and I quote

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

For starters, you can start with shedding the shameless clear seller attitude like this:

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How do you propose I shed an attitude I never had? This is a prime example of you applying the negatives of one person to others who never displayed those attributes. This is why I say you lump as all together. This is why you're getting flat out insulting.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You've done it to me just in the last few posts. You have no legs to stand on for such a blatant lie.

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Show me a post where I said you are a clear seller? You won't find it. But you do like to play devil's advocate for them.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Show me a post where I said you are a clear seller? You won't find it. But you do like to play devil's advocate for them.

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Please look up at my edit.

*edit* screw it I'll add it here too.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

For starters, you can start with shedding the shameless clear seller attitude like this:

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For those that don't want to look back this is the "shameless clear seller attitude" that I apparently displayed.

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Originally Posted by BobtheBlackMage

If someone is willing to pay as an incentive to take them through content, I'm willing to make the exchange.

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I guess my name randomly changes to BobtheBlackMage for the sake of Nyaruko's arguement.

How do you propose I shed an attitude I never had? This is a prime example of you applying the negatives of one person to others who never displayed those attributes. This is why I say you lump as all together. This is why you're getting flat out insulting. Thank you for giving me such a prime example, and so recently in the thread too!

I'm amused at how you can quote ANOTHER poster's post and make the sweeping broad generalization that they are a shameless clear seller:

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

.... No one has enough time in the day to be perfectly inclusive for every person who walks in from of them......

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which you quoted with:

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

No one is asking for perfection or doing this for every person. You sure love to make up starwmans. For starters, you can start with shedding the shameless clear seller attitude like this:

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and used THIS quote (by a completely different player):

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Originally Posted by BobtheBlackMage

If someone is willing to pay as an incentive to take them through content, I'm willing to make the exchange.

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...to say they are a shameless clear seller. Congratulations /clap.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

I do NOT equate raiders as clear sellers ever.

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You clearly just did.

Admittedly, you are the expert of broadly sweeping over generalizations.

Like how early pullers in hunts are all fiendish trolls and every single early pull was "loud obnoxious selfish folks who come here in an attempt to justify and rationalize their bad behavior".

Or how all withdrawals from the DF are "DF abusers trying to fish for god knows what"

*Coughs* I can do that to you know. You know, picking and choosing specific lines to suit your own "argument" (or lack thereof).

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To quote yourself, instead of being a stubborn mule all the time, empathize with BOTH sides of the equation.

-Trolls will be trolls, you can ignore them - just filter correctly for them
-Legitimate concerns need to be raised (and yes, I do agree with the overall scheme of things that it IS difficult to get into a static if you are a capable player)
-Stop broadly generalizing all of the "other side" as the same coin. This isn't a black and white argument, there are two points and every single possible shade of grey in between.

On the topic of being inclusive, I am inclusive. I took my new BRD and a temp replacement healer through T9 the other day. We went from P2 progression all the way to 1% of Nael (FML, lol) within a span of two and a half hours. What we did? I interviewed and filtered the people quickly and they were referred to me by a friend of mine who knew they could use this clear. If you want to get into a static, get yourself known and show that you are what the group wants. I personally can be on Gilgamesh, Sargantas, Balmung, or Hyperion and be part of a capable raid group if I wanted to be. I'm sure others can as well because of the network we developed.

I reiterate again - perseverance and do not give up.

Ghishlain, I could kiss you right now.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

...How do you propose I shed an attitude I never had? ...

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You sure you never had that attitude?

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

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and used THIS quote (by a completely different player):

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Originally Posted by BobtheBlackMage

If someone is willing to pay as an incentive to take them through content, I'm willing to make the exchange.

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...to say they are a shameless clear seller. Congratulations

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

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While I've never been a part of a sold run I definitely understand where they come from. ... If they put a price on their time and someone is willing to pay it then it's non of your business what so ever..

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The two statements sure look almost identical. The only difference is you have not done clear sell.

Update on the never ending cycle of disbanding that keeps casuals from progressing:

I asked for help in 2 LSs and in Mor Dhona and got my first T6 kill. 6 people had experience, 2 had none (we still wiped a few times).

Guess what I did right after...? I went into my FC and asked if anyone wanted to learn t6... guess what?!?!?!?!!? Cleared with 6 noobs!

People are all shameless kill sellers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1one

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

....People are all shameless kill sellers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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More nonsensical strawman. Not everyone is a clear seller, that much is obvious. Yet, there are many clear sellars who wouldn't bother you help your 6 FC noobs, and you know it. But I will give credit where it's due, and you should be congratulated for helping your 6 noobs in your FC learn T6. If this thread achieved only that, it is still progress. And that is 6 less clears the clear sellers get to sell.