White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by ChewieFlakes

Yoshi-P is on a horrible idea streak that is severely bogging this game down. I have never been more disappointed in the game and it is really quite sad.

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That’s assuming it was his decision. I know he’s in charge, but it doesn’t mean it was his personal idea to do this, even if he presumably had to approve it in the end.

My thoughts on this have been building for a while now, but I just feel like he gets blamed personally for anything fans aren’t happy with, when it’s potentially someone else’s actual work that he just approved (without being involved in the details) or even glitches due to a programming error that he would have nothing to do with.

Perhaps it comes with having established himself as the “face of the game”, but I still don’t like to see it. Not because it’s him, but because I don’t like to see any person blamed for something that isn’t actually their fault.

I’m not saying you can’t complain about the issues, you just shouldn’t blame the one person for everything that’s wrong with every part of a large complex game, unless you know he was personally responsible. (Either that, or he also deserves credit for everything that’s right with the game, which is still a lot.)

Get frustrated at “the devs”, but don’t make personal attacks.

That’s how I feel about it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Toxic entitlement is pretty gross. People are so used to having everything handed to them over time so they always think items that show you did something hard/noteworthy should be given to THEM FOR FREE. Really sad.

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Toxic entitlement? If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then you should probably be aware that the majority of the people in this thread didn't even knew these existed until OP mentioned it, or the numerous threads that got removed. Furthermore, the remainder of these people could probably not care less whether they got these items or not, much less complain about it.

Here's the icing on the cake, nobody asked for it, and the majority of this people are not wanting them as handouts, but rather arguing why people are getting so upset over an item that was over 6 years ago being released as a commemorative item. Read the comments next time. Nobody asked for it, nobody expected it until the announcement.

Personally, outside of them being commemorative, I couldn't care less about these earrings. I care for the minion and the orchestra roll, like the majority here probably do. Most people won't even use the earrings, nor will they care about them, and again, nor do they even know the origins.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

My thoughts on this have been building for a while now, but I just feel like he gets blamed personally for anything fans aren’t happy with, when it’s potentially someone else’s actual work that he just approved (without being involved in the details) or even glitches due to a programming error that he would have nothing to do with.

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That's how it works. Whoever serves as the face of the development team gets blamed for every decision. It's simply assumed that they could be making any decision unilaterally with no constraints, so clearly the only reason it doesn't exist is because they suck at their job/want the game to fail/hate that player or players like that player/whatever other tripe people come up with.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Toxic entitlement? If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then you should probably be aware that the majority of the people in this thread didn't even knew these existed until OP mentioned it, or the numerous threads that got removed. Furthermore, the remainder of these people could probably not care less whether they got these items or not, much less complain about it.

Here's the icing on the cake, nobody asked for it, and the majority of this people are not wanting them as handouts, but rather arguing why people are getting so upset over an item that was over 6 years ago being released as a commemorative item. Read the comments next time. Nobody asked for it, nobody expected it until the announcement.

Personally, outside of them being commemorative, I couldn't care less about these earrings. I care for the minion and the orchestra roll, like the majority here probably do. Most people won't even use the earrings, nor will they care about them, and again, nor do they even know the origins.

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Hehe, you caught my post after I deleted it, but it's ok humor you for just one moment.

Toxic entitlement in that when people see items that hold extra value for doing something hard/important/timelimited/etc. being given basically for free are actually defending it being given out for free. you say you yourself don't care. If you REALLY didn't care why would you argue for it to be given for free?

Some food for thought champ. Deep down inside you do care that people are considered special for doing something you can't, so that is why you don't defend the idea that exclusive items should remain exclusive to those who actually did the content the right way.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Seeing someone with those earrings always invoked some respect for them as a skilled player.
It's something you earn with your skill. Much akin to Ultimate weapons.

Now if they handed out Ultimate weapons to everyone...

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But you can't compare the two seeing as one doesn't exist anymore and the other is clearly still alive and kicking. By that fact alone they are not in the same ballpark, not even on the same planet. 1.0 is dead and gone for at least 5 years, those earrings hold no value whatso ever. You can't compare them to UwU weapons as those are still alive. Now you'll have a point if 5 years from NOW uwu was dead and you could no longer do it.. THEN you can compare them. But as it stands now, comparing them now is just trying to scare people for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

If you REALLY didn't care why would you argue for it to be given for free?

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Because letting an ever shrinking pool of particularly needy and temperamental players hold the game and the potential enjoyment of all future players hostage to avoid upsetting them is a generally poor decision in terms of both business and game design.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Because letting an ever shrinking pool of particularly needy and temperamental players hold the game and the potential enjoyment of all future players hostage to avoid upsetting them is a generally poor decision in terms of both business and game design.

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Let me ask you this. Did you beat the boss that those people HAD to beat to get the earrings?

If the answer is no, then you don't deserve the earrings.

Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Hehe, you caught my post after I deleted it, but it's ok humor you for just one moment.

Toxic entitlement in that when people see items that hold extra value for doing something hard/important/timelimited/etc. being given basically for free are actually defending it being given out for free. you say you yourself don't care. If you REALLY didn't care why would you argue for it to be given for free?

Some food for thought champ. Deep down inside you do care that people are considered special for doing something you can't, so that is why you don't defend the idea that exclusive items should remain exclusive to those who actually did the content the right way.

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Well I'm glad I'm getting humoured. Admittedly an overindulgence in this particular thread.

Why would I argue for it being given for free? Probably because it's a commemorative item, that in the eyes of some logical folk would be seen as celebrating the events that they witnessed, that's my only defence for it. Whether or not they're handed out and how easily obtainable they shall be will be judgement that I withhold until I've, you know, participated in the event?

I care if someone has a car, and I don't. I care if my friends get a Distinction on their Master's course and I don't. I care whether I have a menial job or not whilst my previous friends are working successful jobs. I care if I get the Cirina minion or not. Those are things I would care about. Do I care if someone has an earring that I don't? Probably not because my cute Au Ra's horns completely overshadow any earrings I equip which is unfortunate. Even if they didn't I still wouldn't care because the only earrings I want, or care about are from Proto-Ultima in Dun Scaith. I will state it again. My only extent in caring with this discussion is only about the idea of them using something commemorative to celebrate an anniversary. You know like people generally do? Whether they done it with a Nael minion, or something else is an entirely different matter which has not come to pass. If you wonder why I don't support the idea of naming it replica is simply because it develops the silly mentality that anything called replica is ok being handed out as a freebie. Not to mention it is Just an earring something which many won't even bother looking at.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Let me ask you this. Did you beat the boss that those people HAD to beat to get the earrings?

If the answer is no, then you don't deserve the earrings.

Pretty simple.

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I don't intend to use them, but deserving them or not is beside the point as they'll be made available. Your feelings about that are immaterial. Regardless, the point is that players who require the game to manage their emotions for them and are highly sensitive to game changes that may potentially diminish their self-worth are in fact a blight on MMORPGs and if it comes down to catering to them or cutting them loose, the game is probably better off cutting them loose.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Why would I argue for it being given for free? Probably because it's a commemorative item, that in the eyes of some logical folk would be seen as celebrating the events that they witnessed, that's my only defence for it. Whether or not they're handed out and how easily obtainable they shall be will be judgement that I withhold until I've, you know, participated in the event?

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It was a item given to people for doing a specific fight that was considered the hardest content. For you to equate it as a commemorative object is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Not to mention it is Just an earring something which many won't even bother looking at.

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Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I don't intend to use them, but deserving them or not is beside the point as they'll be made available. Your feelings about that are immaterial. Regardless, the point is that players who require the game to manage their emotions for them and are highly sensitive to game changes that may potentially diminish their self-worth are in fact a blight on MMORPGs and if it comes down to catering to them or cutting them loose, the game is probably better off cutting them loose.

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You saying you deserve them for nothing is immaterial. People are argueing that this shouldn't happen because people don't deserve it outside of doing what they were meant for. You are saying it should just because.