Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

...Which brings up another significant issue that the other tanks don't have to deal with: DRK's defenses can end up having a fairly heavy drain on its offensive abilities. In fights where you have to make that choice, DRK's only potentially valuable trait as a tank, supposedly higher damage as MT, takes a nosedive. Having to pick and choose between survival or damage takes a huge toll on the class.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

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You realize the reciprocal of 4/5(80% or more commonly the damage the pld/drk takes) is 5/4 which makes the oath's a 1.25 effective hp btw while WARs stay at 1.2. Yes this is very basic math indeed. . .

Additionally you cannot raw intuition the manipulator in a4. Did you miss the point where I said only in the context of a fight like a4? O.o

DRK's Dark Mind as 15%/30% compared to say, Inner Beast's 20%?
That's not entirely right, as it's "Increased Magical Resistance", not "Reduced Magical Damage Taken." I can't say for 100%, but I'm fairly it comes out a bit different.

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Originally Posted by RuneSevalle

DRK's Dark Mind as 15%/30% compared to say, Inner Beast's 20%?
That's not entirely right, as it's "Increased Magical Resistance", not "Reduced Magical Damage Taken." I can't say for 100%, but I'm fairly it comes out a bit different.

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Buff icon says "magic damage reduced".

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Originally Posted by RuneSevalle

DRK's Dark Mind as 15%/30% compared to say, Inner Beast's 20%?
That's not entirely right, as it's "Increased Magical Resistance", not "Reduced Magical Damage Taken." I can't say for 100%, but I'm fairly it comes out a bit different.

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Resistance and Damage taken/done is the same. Storm's Eye decreases the slashing resistance by 10%, and the damage done to the mob by slashing attacks is increase is 10%.

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Originally Posted by PerihVashai

You realize the reciprocal of 4/5(80% or more commonly the damage the pld/drk takes) is 5/4 which makes the oath's a 1.25 effective hp btw while WARs stay at 1.2. Yes this is very basic math indeed. . .

Additionally you cannot raw intuition the manipulator in a4. Did you miss the point where I said only in the context of a fight like a4? O.o

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The numbers themselves are largely irrelevant here. The point is to express the fact that Thrill+Conv work in a unique fashion that allows it to function as a proper form of mitigation. You could replace any number in that explanation with any number you'd like. Additionally, I have no idea where Raw Intuition comes into this point.

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Originally Posted by Arkard

I'd take a guess people are refusing you for your gear more than anything.

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We cleared Bismark with an AVG ilvl of 155. I was on PLD with an ilvl of 151.

If the party needs ilvl 170+ to clear Bismark Ex, they arent as good as they think they are.

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Originally Posted by Falgern

Resistance and Damage taken/done is the same. Storm's Eye decreases the slashing resistance by 10%, and the damage done to the mob by slashing attacks is increase is 10%.

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Thought storm's eye increased damage by 11%...

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

...Which brings up another significant issue that the other tanks don't have to deal with: DRK's defenses can end up having a fairly heavy drain on its offensive abilities. In fights where you have to make that choice, DRK's only potentially valuable trait as a tank, supposedly higher damage as MT, takes a nosedive. Having to pick and choose between survival or damage takes a huge toll on the class.

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This also applies to WAR. PLD is the only job that can't trade defenses for more damage.

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Originally Posted by PerihVashai

You realize the reciprocal of 4/5(80% or more commonly the damage the pld/drk takes) is 5/4 which makes the oath's a 1.25 effective hp btw while WARs stay at 1.2. Yes this is very basic math indeed. . .

Additionally you cannot raw intuition the manipulator in a4. Did you miss the point where I said only in the context of a fight like a4? O.o

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His math is wrong, but the idea is right. Defiance increases hp by 25% not 20%, so oath, grit and defiance all end up raising your eHP to 125%. Rampart, inner beast and shadowskin also raise your eHP by 25%. Thrill raises your eHP by 20%, so it's a little weaker. But it's still strong enough that you need to include it when talking about major defensive cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

This also applies to WAR. PLD is the only job that can't trade defenses for more damage.

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For what it's worth, I hadn't ever really felt that choosing between Fell Cleave and Inner Beast was nearly as painful as the choices that DRK had to make. With WAR, it always felt like that sacrifice was over "what benefits me and my party more," where as DRK feels like "what's going to end up screwing me over the least."

If that makes any sense.