The Monk Temple

So, post 2.1 rotation, would something like this be in the right direction?

Shoulder Tackle > ToD
Bootshine > Twin Snakes > Demolish (GL I) > Fracture
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch (GL II)
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch (GL III)
Dragon Kick > Blood For Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Demolish
Fracture > ToD
Perfect Balance > 5x True Strike (mix in Howling Fist/Steel Cyclone)
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Demolish > Fracture
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch

I used to start off with DK, but there's no reason to ignore Bootshine now, especially since DK doesn't proc until after the first GL.

I also changed the PB burst from Snap Punch x5 to True Strike x5, since it will now have 10 more potency than Snap Punch.

Am I missing anything?

Rotation wasnt hard...still isnt hard...its same as before. Memorize which skills do what from where and move appropriately. Keeps buffs/dots up

nothing change with rotation , just ID became more useless than before ( to much tp loss in long fights ) .

love the 30sec shoulder tacle <3

And now getting any skill speed on gear is entirely pointless (the only argument previously was being able to keep twin snakes buff up).

Apart from that yea, no change. Heck its not like skill speed wasnt allrdy our least desired stat.

Unless of course you used impulse drive, you likely wont be using that anymore either.

But yea, funfun, free buff to a class that didnt need it :D

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Originally Posted by mercenarri

So, post 2.1 rotation, would something like this be in the right direction?

Shoulder Tackle > ToD
Bootshine > Twin Snakes > Demolish (GL I) > Fracture
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch (GL II)
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch (GL III)
Dragon Kick > Blood For Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Demolish
Fracture > ToD
Perfect Balance > 5x True Strike (mix in Howling Fist/Steel Cyclone)
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Demolish > Fracture
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch

I used to start off with DK, but there's no reason to ignore Bootshine now, especially since DK doesn't proc until after the first GL.

I also changed the PB burst from Snap Punch x5 to True Strike x5, since it will now have 10 more potency than Snap Punch.

Am I missing anything?

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Not sure why you're not opening with PB so as to get to GL3 faster...

Because PB opener sux

I would like to know about this special rotation that pushes monks to the limits while using ID and somehow doens't run out of TP. I don't stack SS and I still run out of TP an nearly everything. Even titan causes me to run low on TP more often then not (not being when I get gaol).

I don't use PB at the start of most fights because of threat issues. I save it for oops, burst phase, or after a phase change that I know won't get me smacked around. After the patch it makes even more sense because of SP losing its #1 spot.

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Originally Posted by Kijimea

Because PB opener sux

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Your accuracy is really low in that gear isn't it? Is that a for looks thing or do you got some trick I need to know about? That looks like a great "make WP explode set".

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Your accuracy is really low in that gear isn't it? Is that a for looks thing or do you got some trick I need to know about? That looks like a great "make WP explode set".

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Thats likely the gear he uses outside coils.... however.

You can get away with lots of allagan pieces for example http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Best-Monk-Set I agree with TC on his optimum monk set (minimal skillspeed) which would have you around 465 accuracy, coupled with food accuracy buff you are in the perfect setup for turn 5.

When im not doing coil i basically go full allagan.

For instance heres my gear http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2167664/ (still missing 3-4 BiS pieces), all i need to do is switch out helmet and legs to myth ones for turn 5.

Oh and allagan maiming earings and allagan sollerets will be even better for minimised skillspeed after patch.

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Originally Posted by Rhained

Thats likely the gear he uses outside coils.... however.

You can get away with lots of allagan pieces for example http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Best-Monk-Set I agree with TC on his optimum monk set (minimal skillspeed) which would have you around 465 accuracy, coupled with food accuracy buff you are in the perfect setup for turn 5.

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I don't know who TC is but from personal experience running out of TP all the time I say away from SS as much as I can. If I have to hold back even a second because of TP that means SS has actually lowered my dps and that sucks. There are a lot of fights where my GL uptime is high enough for that to be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Kijimea

Because PB opener sux

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lolwut...

Yeah... let's not get to our highly desired GL3 state in 3 GCDs, but instead do it over 3 rotations.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

lolwut...

Yeah... let's not get to our highly desired GL3 state in 3 GCDs, but instead do it over 3 rotations.

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I don't know what magic tanks you have but doing that would get me into a lot of trouble with pretty much ever tank I have ever run into.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

I don't know what magic tanks you have but doing that would get me into a lot of trouble with pretty much ever tank I have ever run into.

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Our tanks can handle it but I agree with a random tank it would be a waste of a good CD because you'd have to stop dpsing.

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Originally Posted by mercenarri

So, post 2.1 rotation, would something like this be in the right direction?

Shoulder Tackle > ToD
Bootshine > Twin Snakes > Demolish (GL I) > Fracture
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch (GL II)
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch (GL III)
Dragon Kick > Blood For Blood > Twin Snakes > Internal Release > Demolish
Fracture > ToD
Perfect Balance > 5x True Strike (mix in Howling Fist/Steel Cyclone)
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Demolish > Fracture
Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch
Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch

I used to start off with DK, but there's no reason to ignore Bootshine now, especially since DK doesn't proc until after the first GL.

I also changed the PB burst from Snap Punch x5 to True Strike x5, since it will now have 10 more potency than Snap Punch.

Am I missing anything?

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you should still open with dragon kick instead of bootshine.why?both have same potency BUT second skill is twin snake.why would you go do a back skill,go flank and then again go on back when you can flank/flank/back?boothshine dont crit if you are not in opoo stance anyway.

for the perfect balance with 5x snap punch,now its probably better to do something like 4x true strike (190 potency so higther then snap punch) and finish with snap to refresh GL before PB end or 3x true strike and 2x snap (if you are afraid to miss the last snap and want to play safe).spamming bootshine could also be an option(mabey) since its 100% crit chance and 150 potency but you might be better to save infernal release for after if you do that.

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Originally Posted by Zakard

you should still open with dragon kick instead of bootshine.why?both have same potency BUT second skill is twin snake.why would you go do a back skill,go flank and then again go on back when you can flank/flank/back?boothshine dont crit if you are not in opoo stance anyway.

for the perfect balance with 5x snap punch,now its probably better to do something like 4x true strike (190 potency so higther then snap punch) and finish with snap to refresh GL before PB end or 3x true strike and 2x snap (if you are afraid to miss the last snap and want to play safe).spamming bootshine could also be an option(mabey) since its 100% crit chance and 150 potency but you might be better to save infernal release for after if you do that.

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Because Bootshine doesn't care where you are, it's always going to be 150 Potency. I'll still open with Dragon Kick because it looks cool, though.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

Because Bootshine doesn't care where you are, it's always going to be 150 Potency. I'll still open with Dragon Kick because it looks cool, though.

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ho well yea your right.still prefer dragon kick ^^ used to it

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

I don't know what magic tanks you have but doing that would get me into a lot of trouble with pretty much ever tank I have ever run into.

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Magic? Hardly. I play with competent tanks is all.

New item Hellish Claws 31 str, 35 vit, 26 det, 26 accuracy, 46 dmg, 40.48 auto attack , 2.64 delay seem to be much better than our zeniths at

31 str, 35 vit , 26 skill speed, 37 accuracy. Allagan baghnahks are still going to be best in slot but assuming this weapon comes from extreme questline it feels worth it as an upgrade if you cant attain the baghnahks yet.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

New item Hellish Claws 31 str, 35 vit, 26 det, 26 accuracy, 46 dmg, 40.48 auto attack , 2.64 delay seem to be much better than our zeniths at

31 str, 35 vit , 26 skill speed, 37 accuracy. Allagan baghnahks are still going to be best in slot but assuming this weapon comes from extreme questline it feels worth it as an upgrade if you cant attain the baghnahks yet.

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Ideally, yes.
I was checking it out. Too bad I'm accuracy starved enough. I can't afford to lose 10 acc.
Can definitely be worked around, though.

Hellish Claws > Sphairai Zenith > Fists of Crags > Sphairai

titan earrings are an alternative to allagan if you have accuracy, garuda ring is worse than both coil rings, and ifrit bracelet is better than allagan

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Originally Posted by Cynric

titan earrings are an alternative to allagan if you have accuracy, garuda ring is worse than both coil rings, and ifrit bracelet is better than allagan

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Allagan Bracelets of Maiming BiS still.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Allagan Bracelets of Maiming BiS still.

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Yeah I forgot those at first , but if you are starved for accuracy ifrit bracelets are a good substitute.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

I don't know what magic tanks you have but doing that would get me into a lot of trouble with pretty much ever tank I have ever run into.

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Our tanks are on auto pilot mode for threat even with this opening, they are slacking or under geared compared to you if this is pulling threat.

Stats comparison spreadsheet I made:
Melee new gear stats

Bootshine auto crits in perfect balance now on every attack during the buff like how the other stance only moves work. A crit bootshine does more than a normal non crit true strike. Does this make using PB to burst with now better with true or bootshine? I think bootshine would win out in damage consistency imo.

At above. That is actually a good question. From behind with all the buffs up in crit, true vs boot, which is the highest dmg?

I'd guess True Strike if you have Internal Release up, otherwise Bootshine.

Before 2.1 on an opener I'd always do ST TOD IR BFB PB DK SPx3 DM which gives me my GL3. Does doing TRUE while in PB buff actually gives GL refresh or no? IF not then how about at start I do DK SNAKE DM PB DK TRUEx3 SP to get GL 3?

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Originally Posted by Butcherb0y

Before 2.1 on an opener I'd always do ST TOD IR BFB PB DK SPx3 DM which gives me my GL3. Does doing TRUE while in PB buff actually gives GL refresh or no? IF not then how about at start I do DK SNAKE DM PB DK TRUEx3 SP to get GL 3?

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Greased Lightning stacks work the same in Perfect Balance as they do outside of it. You only get stacks from Snap Punch, Demolish, and Rockbreaker. So when doing combos with the buff up you have to be mindful of this or you can lose it.

I'd like to know what's u guys highest dmg on a buff PB TRUEx5 combo. I've done between 600 to 625 on snap before

hey guys, so with the new primal-ex accessories that offer accuracy (namely ifrit wrists) i came up with a new pre-t5 BiS that i'd like to ask y'all to evaluate.

w/an HQ stuffed cabbage Acc = 481, NQ = 477
http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6346/Monk---BiS-(pre-t5)

i use the fuma chest because, on paper, the secondary stats on fuma seem to outweigh the melee chest - and that's from both sets of secondary stat weights i've seen (being Det= 0.22/Cr= 0.16/SS= 0.146 and Det= 0.223/Cr= 0.154/SS= 0.156, respectively), with only a -6 Vit loss (87hp).

any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by TheHomieData

hey guys, so with the new primal-ex accessories that offer accuracy (namely ifrit wrists) i came up with a new pre-t5 BiS that i'd like to ask y'all to evaluate.

w/an HQ stuffed cabbage Acc = 481, NQ = 477
http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6346/Monk---BiS-(pre-t5)

i use the fuma chest because, on paper, the secondary stats on fuma seem to outweigh the melee chest - and that's from both sets of secondary stat weights i've seen (being Det= 0.22/Cr= 0.16/SS= 0.146 and Det= 0.223/Cr= 0.154/SS= 0.156, respectively), with only a -6 Vit loss (87hp).

any thoughts?

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I think an ilvl 80 piece can't be BiS, because of strength loss

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Originally Posted by Butcherb0y

Before 2.1 on an opener I'd always do ST TOD IR BFB PB DK SPx3 DM which gives me my GL3. Does doing TRUE while in PB buff actually gives GL refresh or no? IF not then how about at start I do DK SNAKE DM PB DK TRUEx3 SP to get GL 3?

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I usually PB > SnP x3 > TwS > Dragon Kick > Unleash hell. Using anything else that would delay your buff stacking/GL building seems like a waste to me during PB. Unless you already have 3 stacks, and are simply using PB to burst.

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Originally Posted by Butcherb0y

I'd like to know what's u guys highest dmg on a buff PB TRUEx5 combo. I've done between 600 to 625 on snap before

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My True Strikes usually crit for 700+, although I haven't found use in spamming it during PB. Since PB > SnP x3 > TwS > Dragon Kick > BfB, IR > Boot > TrS > Demo > ToD usually puts you at 320+ DpS according to my parsers (not fed, solo). The TrS/Bootshine spam during PB only put me at 288 - 300.

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Originally Posted by AldricBranchais

I usually PB > SnP x3 > TwS > Dragon Kick > Unleash hell. Using anything else that would delay your buff stacking/GL building seems like a waste to me during PB. Unless you already have 3 stacks, and are simply using PB to burst.



My True Strikes usually crit for 700+, although I haven't found use in spamming it during PB. Since PB > SnP x3 > TwS > Dragon Kick > BfB, IR > Boot > TrS > Demo > ToD usually puts you at 320+ DpS according to my parsers (not fed, solo). The TrS/Bootshine spam during PB only put me at 288 - 300.

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You using Fracture?

Off topic here, I hope SE introduce another type Af for us. In ff11 we had temple melee and latest addition was the tantra. I'd like to see what the tantra set in here. Man that would b awesome.

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Originally Posted by Butcherb0y

Off topic here, I hope SE introduce another type Af for us. In ff11 we had temple melee and latest addition was the tantra. I'd like to see what the tantra set in here. Man that would b awesome.

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http://tinyurl.com/o9k2hsg

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Originally Posted by Rapiso

I think an ilvl 80 piece can't be BiS, because of strength loss

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albeit the loss of 4 str would at first glance make the melee the better piece, the math comes out to:
using str: 1.0, det: 0.223, Crit: 0.154, SkSp: 0.156
melee - 32.744
fuma - 32.917

using the "standard melee" stat weights of str: 1.0, det: 0.22, Crit: 0.16, Sks: 0.146
melee - 32.504
fuma - 32.98

plus, fuma isn't butt-ugly neon yellow :cool:

edit - also, i don't really consider skillspeed to be a useful stat for mnk, but that's personal preference

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Originally Posted by TheHomieData

hey guys, so with the new primal-ex accessories that offer accuracy (namely ifrit wrists) i came up with a new pre-t5 BiS that i'd like to ask y'all to evaluate.

w/an HQ stuffed cabbage Acc = 481, NQ = 477
http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6346/Monk---BiS-(pre-t5)

i use the fuma chest because, on paper, the secondary stats on fuma seem to outweigh the melee chest - and that's from both sets of secondary stat weights i've seen (being Det= 0.22/Cr= 0.16/SS= 0.146 and Det= 0.223/Cr= 0.154/SS= 0.156, respectively), with only a -6 Vit loss (87hp).

any thoughts?

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While it is a better piece, are you factoring in Accuracy? I know finding weights for Acc doesn't really exist atm but it does make a difference. If you can keep up an optimal build while staying Acc capped then yes I would say its better, however I really doubt in the end with a full 12 slot build + Food, it staying as good as it looks now alone.

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Originally Posted by Traison

While it is a better piece, are you factoring in Accuracy? I know finding weights for Acc doesn't really exist atm but it does make a difference. If you can keep up an optimal build while staying Acc capped then yes I would say its better, however I really doubt in the end with a full 12 slot build + Food, it staying as good as it looks now alone.

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He specifically says that with an HQ stuffed cabbage you'd have 481 Accuracy. >_>