Monks very weak. Need rebalance

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Talespinlol

Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.

Anyone else have their rotations ruined by this retardedness? I cast Demolish, start hitting Dragon Kick or something but then Demolish doesn't hit (doesn't miss either) and I watch as my GL stacks tick off. Why is this game so broken?

---

Yup. Ive had that happen quite a few times. Lots of things need to looked into by the design/dev team to fix hopefully they'll get around to it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by roflcaust

What about the many, many fights where we lose our 3 stacks of GL? What about the fights where moving is required? What about fights where you have to catch up to the tank? What about fights where you to turn on Fists of Wind and then Fists of Fire to maximize DPS-throughput?

---

The damage doesn't stop when GL goes down. You get it right back up and keep DPSing.

I feel like we're at an impasse in this discussion without reliable parsers. If someone reports MNK out-DPS'd everyone, the argument is "the rest of your party was bad." If someone reports MNK was out-DPS'd by someone else, then the monksux claim is "supported." Hell, this would happen even if we had reliable parsers. =/

Many of you need to accept GL3 will sometimes go down despite our best efforts. Treat GL3 as an ideal rather than a baseline. MNK is built around momentum, and if there was never an obstacle to that momentum they may as well have a little box pop up that says:

Code:

---

Would you like +15% damage? [YES] [NO]

---

Now, I'm not arguing against a longer GL duration or retooling the job, but be careful what you all wish for. If they make durations longer, they are surely going to weaken the effect.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Talespinlol

Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.

Anyone else have their rotations ruined by this retardedness? I cast Demolish, start hitting Dragon Kick or something but then Demolish doesn't hit (doesn't miss either) and I watch as my GL stacks tick off. Why is this game so broken?

---

You are trying to apply a Demolish - but this is true for any DoT - that is weaker than the Demolish currently applied.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Subucnimorning

Just started turn 4...curious to any monks who have done this fight do you feel like we are the worst class for this encounter?

---

I think monk is very strong in this fight, perma GL*3.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Talespinlol

Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.
Demolish has no effect.

Anyone else have their rotations ruined by this retardedness? I cast Demolish, start hitting Dragon Kick or something but then Demolish doesn't hit (doesn't miss either) and I watch as my GL stacks tick off. Why is this game so broken?

---

You can't overwrite a buffed dot by a normal one.

You guy do realize monk is only class par with pal can not make over 1k Dmg per hit. That is pretty bad. Even war can make 1k Dmg by 1 hit. Do we attack twice faster than other class? hell no. Monk will be worest class for pvp later. If you have no burst Dmg in pvp, GG. Chase people to maintain light3 :p. Mage see 1.5k Dmg easily and not cast much slower than Monk. Monk has serious issue. Not a little bit. Who say monk is fine pretty much only use his right side brain. No logical only with feeling.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by neoreturn

You guy do realize monk is only class par with pal can not make over 1k Dmg per hit. That is pretty bad. Even war can make 1k Dmg by 1 hit. Do we attack twice faster than other class? hell no. Monk will be worest class for pvp later. If you have no burst Dmg in pvp, GG. Chase people to maintain light3 :p. Mage see 1.5k Dmg easily and not cast much slower than Monk. Monk has serious issue. Not a little bit. Who say monk is fine pretty much only use his right side brain. No logical only with feeling.

---

I'm using the "full side of my brain" and I'm telling you monks do not have a "serious problem".

If you think so you need to reroll, because you picked the wrong class. We won't ever be hitting over 1k any time soon.

I know monks that can keep up with well geared bards. Good bards mind you, as long as they are equally geared and start out relatively at the same time on the same target. Though that can be said of most classes. I think someone should choose a easier class if you think monk needs to be buffed lol.

I don`t play a monk but from what I have seen, monks dps is pretty high and decent constant.

I rather guess OP is a weak player and not capable of handling him among some other players here.

Monks are terrible. Everyone should go BLM. Then when you're BLM, make a thread to complain about BRD.

Meanwhile in Binding Coil...

<Paladin> Hey Monk, can you hold off on the adds when they pop because you're ripping hate off me too easily.
<Bard> Bwahaha, Quelling Strikes!
<Monk> It's not easy being top DPS on some fights.
<Dragoon> DRG (Looking for Party) (Crawler's Nest)
<Summoner> Better watch it Monk, almost passed you on that last one!
<Monk> But I thought Summoner was the worst DPS?
<Summoner> No, according to a bunch of people's opinions that's YOU!

Three days later...

<Dragoon> DRG (Looking for Party) (Crawler's Nest) (Will Party for Food) (Please?)




TL;DR. There are 100 of these unique butterfly DPS posts with everyone complaining about their class. Go gear up and do Binding Coil and (assuming you don't suck and you can actually do it) then report some actual data that matters. INC post about BC being too hard.

I don't understand what the point of this post is? I personally believe its just for trolls to lay their eggs.

I mean what do you want? Everyone in the game to stop playing or inviting monks because you feel they are too weak? That's not going to happen. You don't have to invite monks or play monk. It's in your power to do so, but why spread your negative attitude to the other players because you lack in the performance department?

I assume these complaints only apply to Coil and AK? I've done every single other fight many times (besides Primal Hard) and I have been the clear top dps EVERY single time, even when lower leveled or geared. The only exception is the 2nd boss of "The Praetorium" due to being constantly knocked around. Movement was never enough of an issue to make me lose top dps but maybe things will change due to AK, Coil, and unbalanced gear scaling.

I don't mind winning some fights but not others, god knows that ALL (at least non-game) contents are in our favor. Then again, I do understand the mentality that end-game is everything when it comes to MMOs. As long as top spot in high movement fights do not belong to a class like Bard; BLM I can live with but Bard? No.

Its seems easier to screw up as Monk; almost all Bards and BLMs I've partied with have similar relative damage but I've been with other Monks who do almost half my damage.

I've only been beaten by SMN (by A LOT). Parser is apparently bugged in favor of SMN but is it really that much? Are we sure SE just didn't screw up and SMN are just brokenly OP?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FCrowles

I don't understand what the point of this post is? I personally believe its just for trolls to lay their eggs.

I mean what do you want? Everyone in the game to stop playing or inviting monks because you feel they are too weak? That's not going to happen. You don't have to invite monks or play monk. It's in your power to do so, but why spread your negative attitude to the other players because you lack in the performance department?

---

Because imbalances exist in games. Yes players tend to whine and cry about every little thing but it is a very real fact that imbalances exist. Players who are playing the OP classes baselessly whining about other players complaints on imbalance are just as annoying. If you're gonna complain about other's complaints, at least give reasons why you don't think the class needs rebalancing; then again, you probably don't even know the first thing about Monks.

Turn 5 Monk here. Played Monk all the way there. Monks are fine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PenutButter

If you're gonna complain about other's complaints, at least give reasons why you don't think the class needs rebalancing; then again, you probably don't even know the first thing about Monks.

---

This isn't constructive criticism. This is trolling. Being useful would be saying "Monks can't seem to perform as well as other jobs, a solution to this would be to have shoulder tackle give a GL stack and reduce the cooldown to 30 seconds and remove the stun, what are your suggestions to improving the class?" Instead the OP is "Monks suxxor don't play them or invite them they suck!" That's trolling. Personally I feel monks are fine. They are exactly where they need to be. They just require more effort than dragoon, bard or summoner which is perfectly fine with me. High skill limit high reward.

I ended up getting frustrated with my monk, or rather melee in general due to how they are just a flat out liability in some fights. I don't know if it was just my experience, but I did the chimaera fate out in northern thanalan I think it was and dodging the tail swipe (which is a really fast cast imo so you have to react really quickly...maybe I'm slow, but I like to think I'm not), the frontal fire cleave, the casted ice 360 degree aoe, the side ice attacks, etc just really got to me.

My bard can just sit there and dps, while also singing songs for the group. I love my monk, but what is the point? Does it get any better? because honestly, it really pissed me off haha. I like my bard, but I don't LOVE it, but I'm sick of getting frustrated with melee in this game.

Maybe I'm just bad at this game (a legit possibility haha) but I kind of wish they'd tone down on the melee only mechanics.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Skavian

TL;DR. There are 100 of these unique butterfly DPS posts with everyone complaining about their class. Go gear up and do Binding Coil and (assuming you don't suck and you can actually do it) then report some actual data that matters. INC post about BC being too hard.

---

Except you don't need to do Coil to get a baseline average of your DPS. Assuming that you can actually trust parsers, the training dummies in Whitebrim will do that for you. Then pick a fight with minimal movement where you could get full effect of other peoples buffs and so forth(that is, an 8 person raid, ideally where you get +haste and other beneficial buffs), and you can really start to gauge where the classes are in dps compared to others. Hell, Titan might be a good fight to use - despite all the things going on, there is a lot of up time maintained on the boss.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Risbyn

Turn 5 Monk here. Played Monk all the way there. Monks are fine.

---

you must have a group to carry you. for most of other monk, they are hard to find group even do a HM Garuda. Go play other class then u can realize the weakness of monk. Monk will be junk Job for pvp when the new content come out if they don't change anything.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by neoreturn

you must have a group to carry you. for most of other monk, they are hard to find group even do a HM Garuda. Go play other class then u can realize the weakness of monk. Monk will be junk Job for pvp when the new content come out if they don't change anything.

---

Turn 4 monk here, top charting the dps leaderboard. I think Monk is a must have on each turn of BC.
And it's obvious that monk will suck in PVP, that's why you can switch class easily. But I think nobody plays this game for his future PVP ...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapiso

Turn 4 monk here, top charting the dps leaderboard. I think Monk is a must have on each turn of BC.
And it's obvious that monk will suck in PVP, that's why you can switch class easily. But I think nobody plays this game for his future PVP ...

---

"Very nice". Lets make some @trash@ classes. Why not? You can switch classes easily.

Problem must be solved. Closing the eyes is not a solution

There's no amount of "carrying" in coil turn 4 that will get you past it.

i have 5 monk friends who switched to summoner becouse they do the most dps right now and those guys know how to play trust me.

also its hard to find a party as monk

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JokingCat

i have 5 monk friends who switched to summoner becouse they do the most dps right now and those guys know how to play trust me.

also its hard to find a party as monk

---

No harder than it is for a dragoon.

From what I read, one week Summoner is awful, next Bard, next so on. Its not the class, its the player. Where did they put all their attribute points for starter? Next, what did they do with the mandatory 2nd class? Did they stop leveling it after 15?What commands are they using, do they know all the abilities and putting their combo together? What weapons, gear they using? Level? Experience? I hope these threads will stop, in the end its the individual not the class.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Onyxys

"Very nice". Lets make some @trash@ classes. Why not? You can switch classes easily.

Problem must be solved. Closing the eyes is not a solution

---

This game wasn't designed for PVP, what did you expect

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapiso

This game wasn't designed for PVP, what did you expect

---

Pvp will be there. pvp is always the content of end game from day 1 of MMO history.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Valsh

No harder than it is for a dragoon.

---

That's wrong. Dragoon can do some nice aoe. dragoon also has more HP for titan fight, no group shout and LF monk. if they want to pick melee DPS for LB, they will pick dragoon over Monk. only problem for dragoon is there is too many dragoon there which can not counted as class balance issue. Btw, Monk gear look is awful.

Dont dragoons, have lower magic defence than monks though?
Im happy enough with monk tbh
Shoulder tackle refreshing GL and having a 20-30 cd would be a really nice qol change though and the class could do with one or two changes on that front.

Also, yes monks are going to be dire in pvp but pvp in this game is going to be a total joke without some pretty massive changes anyway.

"pvp is endgame, monk gear looks bad, monks need to be carried", etc.

Sounds like you really love stating your opinion as fact. What a waste of time.

Also this is my favorite quote from these forums so far: "Who say monk is fine pretty much only use his right side brain. No logical only with feeling"

NO LOGICAL ONLY WITH FEELING!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by neoreturn

That's wrong. Dragoon can do some nice aoe. dragoon also has more HP for titan fight, no group shout and LF monk. if they want to pick melee DPS for LB, they will pick dragoon over Monk. only problem for dragoon is there is too many dragoon there which can not counted as class balance issue. Btw, Monk gear look is awful.

---

Yet to see any parties aggressively preferring dragoons over monks, monk gear looks fine.

Quote:

---

NO LOGICAL ONLY WITH FEELING!

---

Once you manage to master the feeling, the logical is no longer needed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by neoreturn

Pvp will be there. pvp is always the content of end game from day 1 of DAOC history.

---

You're totally right, but that's not the point

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapiso

This game wasn't designed for PVP, what did you expect

---

PvE need balance too, dont you think so? Must be balance, no matter PvE or PvP game is

As for my thought- lancer's Impulse Drive much more better, than pugilist's True Strike. If GL will be more than 12 seconds no one will use True Strike. Is it right, that class skill is not so good, as cross-class skill?

Shoulder Tackle must have lower CD and must give 3-stack GL buff. In that case it would be a good begining of the fight

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Onyxys

PvE need balance too, dont you think so? Must be balance, no matter PvE or PvP game is

As for my thought- lancer's Impulse Drive much more better, than pugilist's True Strike. If GL will be more than 12 seconds no one will use True Strike. Is it right, that class skill is not so good, as cross-class skill?

Shoulder Tackle must have lower CD and must give 3-stack GL buff. In that case it would be a good begining of the fight

---

You can't compare single skills.
It's like saying Scholar's are better healers because Physick is 400 potency and Cure I is 300 potency.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by enil

You can't compare single skills.
It's like saying Scholar's are better healers because Physick is 400 potency and Cure I is 300 potency.

---

They're both 400



....just sayin'

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Onyxys

PvE need balance too, dont you think so? Must be balance, no matter PvE or PvP game is

As for my thought- lancer's Impulse Drive much more better, than pugilist's True Strike. If GL will be more than 12 seconds no one will use True Strike. Is it right, that class skill is not so good, as cross-class skill?

Shoulder Tackle must have lower CD and must give 3-stack GL buff. In that case it would be a good begining of the fight

---

Monk is totally fine in PVE.

I hope op is trolling if not he is doing his monk wrong cause monks are beast with those crits

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Talespinlol

blaah

---

http://imgur.com/Rtw2I57

Heaph Ledger = MNK. Tank n spank boss. ilvl70

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rapiso

This game wasn't designed for PVP, what did you expect

---

Except that Yoshi P took a super long time to design it, and mentionned that abilities wont be the same in PvP. Wrong sentences are wrong

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Except that Yoshi P took a super long time to design it, and mentionned that abilities wont be the same in PvP. Wrong sentences are wrong

---

Keep believing~!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Except that Yoshi P took a super long time to design it, and mentionned that abilities wont be the same in PvP. Wrong sentences are wrong

---

LOL, what do you think he would say ....
Keep believing ~~