Tank shortage is going to get worse.

Being a tank in thos game sucks. All dungeons requires tanks to do the most work. And being a tank, gives you the worst repair bill. The gil in this game is pretty hard to earn if youre not into crafting. And each repair for tank is like 2k-3k per run

(sorry if this is incoherent rambling, I'm hammered drunk)

My Marauder, who i set up on the American Servers is doing OK, So far I like the class. I feel like I've been given enough to keep me going.
With my main character Binny (a Thaumaturge), I;m used to dealing better damage. but with my Maurader I'll take what I'm given, at least if two enemies are attacking me at once it;s not the end of the world.

my only critisism, and stop me if this is something a gladiator can do, is I wish I had a skill that instantly transferred aggro: I wish I had a skill that very definitely said "Ill handle this if you take my back"

for me tanks and healers are role that should be taken by the most mature players. anyone can spam attacks, but it takes someone with brain power to tank and heal.

Tanking is fun . I like chasing Mobs when squishy DPS made them pissed off. They are like " GET THE RAT AWAY FROM ME... ARRRRR."
Anyway. Maybe they give us tank a mount like WHM?

Im gonna have to agree with this thread, im leveling a PLD to 50 but after hearing how everyone just does one dungeon and they expect you the tank to know how to speed run it by geting naked and running through the whole dungeon is just really puting me off, i thought i would get to tank lots of diffrent dungeons and have epic fun, i was having tons of fun tanking all the way up to 50, but if all that endgame is is stun duty and speeed running one instance then i think ill pass and join the 2 hour DPS queue with everyone else

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Originally Posted by Sixteen

Both tanks lack active abilities to keep themselves alive and mostly depend on the healer doing the hard work. active mitigation is a must-have for tanks these days.

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This in spades; along with threat gain from party; Without enough mitigation (read: Legitimate defensive cooldowns, having Parry rating factor into a statistic that's actually useful for those of us with Parry {insert block where appropriate} etc.) healers rip hate away from tanks who are just barely able to hang on, even by spamming Flash (there goes that MP for us Warriors), Provoke (on a 40 second cooldown with no real dent in threat once a fight has been going on for more than about 10 seconds), and Tomahawk/Shield Lob, and then die.

I don't know if threat gain from DPS and Healing is a problem, or actual mitigation is an issue, but the answer is somewhere in there. And it needs to get fixed.

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

my only critisism, and stop me if this is something a gladiator can do, is I wish I had a skill that instantly transferred aggro: I wish I had a skill that very definitely said "Ill handle this if you take my back"

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You're looking for Gladiator 22's Provoke, which apparently is "snap aggro" (Puts you at the top of the hate list), so use it when people steal hate.

Or so I've been told.

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Originally Posted by Furious

AF2 is bright white with blue trimming. I have only the hands, but they look amazing.

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That is really great to hear, from the look of the icon it look amazing set of armor. I can't wait to deck out in the full set, make playing a Paladin all better again as I have a Goal and something great to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Rassiel

This in spades; along with threat gain from party; Without enough mitigation (read: Legitimate defensive cooldowns, having Parry rating factorinto a statistic that's actually useful for those of us with Parry {insert block where appropriate} etc.) healers rip hate away from tanks who are just barely able to hang on, even by spamming Flash (there goes that MP for us Warriors), Provoke (on a 40 second cooldown with no real dent in threat once a fight has been going on for more than about 10 seconds), and Tomahawk/Shield Lob, and then die.

I don't know if threat gain from DPS and Healing is a problem, or actual mitigation is an issue, but the answer is somewhere in there. And it needs to get fixed.

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Player-related problem.

If healers are ripping threat from you, it's because they are having to heal too much - use your LEGITIMATE tanking cooldowns to take less damage, or use some cc from blms.

Provoke puts you on top of the threat list, meaning that the fight HAS to have been going for a while for it to be worthwhile. The only time when taunt is not useful is at the start of a fight, when "on top of the threatlist" means about +2 threat.

Here are your legitimate cooldowns that you should be useing clearly more often than you are:
Rampart
Sentinel
Flash blind
Shield Bash
Shield Block (seriously under-rated if you have a tower type shield rather than buckler).
Convalescence
Hallowed Ground
Awareness

And from Marauder:
Foresight
Bloodbath (ok so this one sucks)
Mercy Stroke

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Originally Posted by Docent

You're looking for Gladiator 22's Provoke, which apparently is "snap aggro" (Puts you at the top of the hate list), so use it when people steal hate.

Or so I've been told.

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That "snap aggro" is only a slight boost in hate directed at the target. Provoke is great before 50, at 50 it's better then using Shield Lob or Tomahawk, only because of distance, otherwise it's not very good. I'd sooner spam damage abilities with additional effect: Increases Enmity, then use provoke which has a 40 second cooldown to save a healer mid fight x.x

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Originally Posted by Astralis

Being a tank in thos game sucks. All dungeons requires tanks to do the most work. And being a tank, gives you the worst repair bill. The gil in this game is pretty hard to earn if youre not into crafting. And each repair for tank is like 2k-3k per run

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Hmm I think armor degrades just by casting skills in it, not just getting hit. And if you're doing the most work as a tank, your party needs some learning. I find tanking to be fairly lazy when you have a group that knows what to do, even if you fudge up a bit. Take Tonberry King for example, easy, fast strat is to just tank and spank, while dps classes run around frantically killing adds.

yeah the AF2 look nice... but 11 week for get it at do AK in speed run? no way!!
i'm a tank... not a rabbit dammit, nor a stun stick.... or worst a rabbit into a tincan using a stun stick... *sighs*

i did tank while the whole beta (from p1 to p4), i did level up the paladin from scratch (and marauder to 28) and seriously i'm pissed by how the tank are treated... why work so hard to learn how to tank with a group of crazy dps that don't let you hit a damn target or worst that attack different target.
without talk of the healer that prefer attack or use only medica and let you almost die without healing for more of 20 seconds.

the leveling experience was thrilling... and seriously i don't know for the other... but i feel like i'm useless... like all i did until reach Amdapor was... useless. all the epic battle i have face, all the dungeon beaten with impossible setup... for what? be a rabbit? stun stick? a tincan?

god, don't tell me i'm the only one frustrated by all of this?!?

@furious (i have seen after my post): i know, but go ask in dutyfinder to let you do this... if you miss one eruption here come the trouble.

tanking is pretty simplistic on my warrior, meaning it isn't hard for me to hold threat. It's a lot of fun too

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Originally Posted by Rassiel

That "snap aggro" is only a slight boost in hate directed at the target. Provoke is great before 50, at 50 it's better then using Shield Lob or Tomahawk, only because of distance, otherwise it's not very good. I'd sooner spam damage abilities with additional effect: Increases Enmity, then use provoke which has a 40 second cooldown to save a healer mid fight x.x

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You're very, very wrong about provoke.

Going to raise my hand as a PLD who enjoys tanking so far. Sure no raids yet, but as far as dungeons go, it's been a blast :D

How many of these are available to Marauder? Uh. Flash (2 second blind that everything at 50 seems immune too) Convalescense isn't any where near as useful as we'd like it too be. Foresight 20% Base defensive boost, (good stuff, when it's up) Bloodbath (is terrible.) Mercy Stroke (only available when the enemy is under 20% health, doesn't heal you unless it hits). Inner Beast (Can heal for approximately 1800 on a crit, Very nice.) Second Wind (Available from Pugilist but not base Marauder), Feather foot (20% dodge increase whoopdie doo).

No ACTIVE damage mitigation for magic, which beats us down pretty much every time. Inner Beast and Storm's Path do heal on hit, but Storm's PAth is just like Bloodbath, and it takes away from the threat rotation. RAmpart isn't, Sentinel isn't, Hallowed Ground isn't, Shield Bash (Best bloody stun in the game) isn't, Awareness (isn't).

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Originally Posted by Furious

You're very, very wrong about provoke.

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Please provide me with some examples, I'll use it, but the threat gain i'm seeing isn't nearly as useful as i'd like it too be. My next post will provide some clarity to my situation, so perhaps people may understand that I am not infact, trolling.

I like tanking in FFXIV. Hated being a tank in EQ and WoW. I enjoyed tanking a lot in TERA but their servers are absolutely terrible when it comes to latency and ping spikes.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

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No worry, if you're a good Tank in this game, unlike other MMORPG out there you will get recognized in this game and more people will respect and praised that you did a great job at the end. Tanking can be frustrating when the DPS don't listen or attack different Target or have the attitude of it's always the Tank or the Healer fault. Sometime when DPS keep attacking other mob and pulling hate and run everywhere I just let them died. Or if someone giving you a bad time or trash talk you, just tell them that you're gonna leave and they have to find another Tank to Tank for them. Remember that we as a Tank have a very short que time and always in control of the battle and where to go, but DPS they have to wait hours for Que and if they don't listen, they will died.

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Originally Posted by Rassiel

Please provide me with some examples, I'll use it, but the threat gain i'm seeing isn't nearly as useful as i'd like it too be. My next post will provide some clarity to my situation, so perhaps people may understand that I am not infact, trolling.

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If you die on a boss and get raised, then provoke, you are tanking again.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Hmm I think armor degrades just by casting skills in it, not just getting hit. And if you're doing the most work as a tank, your party needs some learning. I find tanking to be fairly lazy when you have a group that knows what to do, even if you fudge up a bit. Take Tonberry King for example, easy, fast strat is to just tank and spank, while dps classes run around frantically killing adds.

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Seems everything people do degrades it, i have been in fate groups where as a whm if i even stand there doing nothing i start seeing messages of my "armor" has droped to 10% i have yet to prove if this is the case with normal parties but this was alarming to say the least.

I love tanking! The only thing I hate about tanking are the rude people that talk a lot crap if you mess up. I can't do everything! >>
Anyway...Tanking is fun and I love it! :D I need to reset my skill points. . . . . Didn't put all skill points in Vitality>> (Squishy Tank :D)

Today i tank the chimera fight as a warrior and i love it, lots of fun, but dont know nothing about the pld so i guess they need a aoe buff?

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I love tanking! The only thing I hate about tanking are the rude people that talk a lot crap if you mess up. I can't do everything! >>
Anyway...Tanking is fun and I love it! :D I need to reset my skill points. . . . . Didn't put all skill points in Vitality>> (Squishy Tank :D)

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You get that a lot no matter where you go @.@ Everyone thinks they're the authority on who sucks/is competent just because they don't have to do your job. Duty Finder and Pick Up Groups will be like that x.x

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You get that a lot no matter where you go @.@ Everyone thinks they're the authority on who sucks/is competent just because they don't have to do your job. Duty Finder and Pick Up Groups will be like that x.x

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Been getting those people when I got to lvl 30 but Now if i mess up on one thing they just leave. I know how to tank but sometimes the tank looses aggro no big deal.

Valid points. I still find the tanking in this game, however, better than others. Simply because of this extra challenge. It's not you either, it's other players. Holding aggro in this game is about everyone working together. If the tank loses aggro, it's more likely to be the fault of the dps than the tank. All dps should be attacking either your current target or the marked target(which you should always be marking).Emnity control is all about teamwork. The problem with this is that most players are too thick to understand this and think that the tank should just be able to always hold the enemies back, then blame the tank when things come flying at their faces.

Just do as I do; if some tard DPS pulls a mob off you (at their fault), then just let them die. Talk to the healer before hand and make sure he doesn't heal them. Lessons need to be learned or DPS classes will remain forever ignorant of how to play their role. Most of which think it consists of spamming attacks.

Tanking is fun.. my gladiator is up around 23 i believe.. anyways.. its true.. boring as hell.. though as long as the dps do their job correctly, and the healer doesn't over-heal like a douche-bag, you'll be golden.. I'm a DPS Monk mainly.. though it's a pain in the ass.. it's not about grabing hate off of the tank, or anything like that.. i can try all day, and can't pull off of tanks.. simply because i don't spam stupid skills..

Addressing the archer issue.. they just have too many instant - individual cool downs.. which makes them tanks worst nightmares.. all you can do it hope they don't start shooting before you can pop your flash or atleast 1 savage blade / overpower depending on the tank..

in short.. it's more a test of teamwork.. tanks are only in short supply because many players choose to dish out the damage.. i'd rather live longer :P

~cheers~ The Crimson Fist

Personally as healer I like that tanks can't soak tons of damage and they actually have to rely on healers not being asleep at the wheel. I used to main heal but in most modern MMOs where tanks had become nigh on to unkillable and a DPS could go hog wild and not drag hate off them, healer had become dreadfully boring.

The reason there is always a tank/healer shortage in mmos is that the tanks/healers are always the target of everyone's ire and nerd rage. DPS is safe in anonymity because 99% of mmos don't properly telegraph a DPS's performance to the rest of the party. We still have to rely on third party tools like damage meters to even get a glimpse as to what is going on in a group dps-wise.

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Originally Posted by Suellen

The reason there is always a tank/healer shortage in mmos is that the tanks/healers are always the target of everyone's ire and nerd rage. DPS is safe in anonymity because 99% of mmos don't properly telegraph a DPS's performance to the rest of the party. We still have to rely on third party tools like damage meters to even get a glimpse as to what is going on in a group dps-wise.

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With dps meters the issues with tanks will get worse, as it stands now tanking is a pain in the ass with dps, dps dont give tanks a chance to get agro and if they do pull agro they dont have enuff sense to stop attacking. Once we get dps meters all they will care about is numbers..

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Tanking is fun.. my gladiator is up around 23 i believe.. anyways.. its true.. boring as hell.. though as long as the dps do their job correctly, and the healer doesn't over-heal like a douche-bag, you'll be golden.. I'm a DPS Monk mainly.. though it's a pain in the ass.. it's not about grabing hate off of the tank, or anything like that.. i can try all day, and can't pull off of tanks.. simply because i don't spam stupid skills..

Addressing the archer issue.. they just have too many instant - individual cool downs.. which makes them tanks worst nightmares.. all you can do it hope they don't start shooting before you can pop your flash or atleast 1 savage blade / overpower depending on the tank..

in short.. it's more a test of teamwork.. tanks are only in short supply because many players choose to dish out the damage.. i'd rather live longer :P

~cheers~ The Crimson Fist

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Its a snooze fest, doing ifriti its all i can do to stay awake.

I can't say that I agree with ya, OP. My pali is 42 now and I have no problems, nor do I find my GLD/PAL that much different from tanks in other games. I've played tanks across many MMORPGs as well and some games give you ez-mode threat, and some don't. This game makes you really work and plan.

I knew that I'd be durable solo with weak damage. If I wanted high solo dps, I wouldn't have made a tank first. Perhaps this is why THM soon to be BLM is my top alt setup. :P

I don't really find GLD/PAL that horrible solo. You're crazy durable and if you use some cross class skills you can mix things up a bit more. I use fracture from MRD in pali (solo and grouped) and had it as GLD (dmg over time). Make sure you use fight or flight for solo dps OR when you pull bosses for extra initial threat. I unlocked every class in phase 4 and leveled them all to 6 or higher. As GLD I had 5 or 6 defensive cooldowns due to blending them in from all over the place. I almost felt robbed at 30 when I switched to pali but stuck with pali and never really had any problems.

You should not be having problems grouping IF you embrace intelligent and elegant grouping. I don't often have threat problems - only on huge sudden pulls where I'm not prepped and dps don't pay attention and get all over the place. Some tips.

Stay on top of your gear - which should be easy - since as a tank you SHOULD be doing tons of instances. Free higher quality gear is always nice. Good gear makes you more durable AND helps your threat output. Fate grinding is mindless and the dumbest thing ever in MMORPGs for stupid easy xp and loot - use it - it's easy seals for tanks since you don't need to be high dps to do them. Seals = more sexy gear.

Mark targets. I've been doing it since Sastasha. Most pug tanks I run with (I do THM on the side for giggles) mark. It helps DPS focus fire on what YOU are on which minimizes chaos. Hotkey the marks, use macros, whatever works for you to mark stuff fast (I'm used to shift+# to switch hotbars and keep all my marks on bar 3, I can switch, mark, and pull very quickly).

Learn content. I do most dungeons 3-5x each because my gang loves to do instances. I read guides before I run instances since educational wiping isn't appealing to me. After one time thru I usually have the content on lockdown and know what the pull priorities are. I briefly explain fights to people who haven't done them. I've yet to meet a pug who didn't prefer success over wiping. It's tough to move and/or threat ranged mobs, for ex, so prioritize them and drag the melee mobs to them for one big happy pile of controlled mobs.

Use CC. My first run in Sastasha I had a THM who CC'd everything and we (I run with a WHM and BRD) *always* CC everything. I was shocked to CC being used in the first instance in the game - but the run went very smooth. When I run on my THM I CC everything. Very few players I've encountered even in full pugs don't know how to work with CC and most quickly embrace and go with it since it makes for far smoother runs. If not, I just AE and play a dumb dpser pulling theat like mad and watching the healer getting owned by pulling threat because disorganized and bad tanks surely can't hold AE threat on top of being generally fail.

People enjoy having smooth dungeon runs. Marking and CC'ing makes things silky smooth. Especially for the tank. It's far easier to keep pulls under threat when they're sleeping next to you in flash range. When DPS that can count to 2 know #2 follows #1 the focus fire is a wonder to behold. Your dps will respect you more if you are in control. If you look weak, can't hold threat, don't have pulls under control, dps will start to think (which is terrifying) and it just makes things worse. Then your healer bails. Cats and dogs sleeping together. All that.

Mobs in these dungeons hit hard and have a lot of health. Focus fire is THE most efficient way to kill them. Your healer won't have to spam heals so much if you CC and can dps a little. Less heal spam = less healer threat = easier to control pulls. THM and then CNJ at 26 can CC. Flash doesn't break CC and you can flash slept mobs to stay ahead of the healer for threat. Special note: WHM do a lot more threat than CNJ so once you get to 30ish/30+, you'll wanna flash more thru a pull to ensure that mobs don't immediately mug the healer when CC wears off or is broken.

Even if you don't CC and are a heathen that likes soaking mass damage, you should mark. If your dps are focused on your target controlling mobs and threat is WAY easier. This isn't *cough* some other game where so much of your instance runs are ez-mode threat and faceroll AE cheese where healers can heal infinite stupid. The instances in this game just get more diverse and intense as you level up so continually refining and improving how you manage groups is very handy.

Do not do the combo for mana unless you need mana - which is almost never early on. Combo for enmity. Mana hit does a bit more base dmg but has no threat component. You're a tank, not a dps - don't worry about your damage output, worry about your threat output (drives me nuts on my THM when I pull on single targets due to gladifailers doing the mana combo).

Basic threat rotation: Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone (once you have it)

Halone is the 3rd hit in your threat combo chain for nice damage and threat - try to fully finish the chain whenever you can. Flash does not interrupt the chain. Shield bash to interrupt AE's and stuff is the only time you want to plan to interrupt the chain. Of course if all heal is breaking loose you have to do whatever you need to do.

Shield swipe (30) is low TP high damage and doesn't break the threat chain but again, no +threat component. Reserve it for when you're sure you have threat under control and can afford dmg over threat and might benefit from the pacification bonus.

At 40 as pali you get shield oath, and it's ok to weep a little or go tug it. It's a self buff/stance that reduces dmg taken by 20%, reduces dmg dealt, and increases enmity generated. If you've been good about threat up til 40, this helps you seal the deal and lets you shield swipe and fracture more without worrying so much about +threat hits (which you still want to prioritize a lot since everybody else is getting more locked in on their job and doing more threat).

Ex 3 pull. Mark 1 and 2 (3 should be obvious and doesn't need marked). Toss shield to pull, let mobs collapse and position to flash everything for initial agro. (CCer should be disableing #2 and #3 as soon as you throw the shield.) Do full threat combo chain on main target (#1). It's a good idea to flash periodically as fights drag on to make sure all mobs are yours. I usually flash a 2nd time after my first single target threat rotation and a couple more times depending on length of fight and group behavior (like if a dps hits the wrong target and decides to be a human threat magnet and NOT switch to the correct target, now you need to tank 2 mobs at once). Repeat.

One trick I do is I try to keep one of the enmity hits ready for when I switch to the next marked target, so that I lead with a high threat hit. As a mob nears death you should have it thoroughly under threat and can flash or just autoattack to fill some space before switching targets if you, say, wanna keep halone ready to lead into the next mob (something I do very often).

I also usually switch mobs just before the current mob is dead so I hit before dps hits. I've been flashing so I have threat anyways. But it's just a good practice to establish strong single target threat immediately so dps never feel like they need to slow down or hold back. You want your dps going all out in safety.

Pulls like this flow nicely. Mobs sequentially dying like it was their civic duty. Nobody but the tank getting hit. Healer is happy because they're only healing one person and can dps a little (which adds to focus fire and mobs die even faster). DPS know exactly what to do and can safely go all out - which is what DPS want to do. Tank has order and everything under control. Everybody is happy.

The number of tanks WILL decrease over time, just because the content gets harder and not everybody enjoys leading groups thru challenging content or the challenge and responsibility of being a good tank. Tanking, IMO, is by far the hardest role in MMORPG grouping. It doesn't appeal to everyone.

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With dps meters the issues with tanks will get worse, as it stands now tanking is a pain in the ass with dps, dps dont give tanks a chance to get agro and if they do pull agro they dont have enuff sense to stop attacking. Once we get dps meters all they will care about is numbers..

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There are already dps meters. If dps are pulling mobs off you, let them die. It's an easy fix.

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Then don't do it, or better yet, do it as the sole tank and stunner. Once you know it, easy content is always a snooze fest.

To what Voqar said, this is exactly what I do in dungeons, except I am doing a bit of tab targeting when I get a healer that's like Repose whats that? and I end up Just tanking everything use a CD a pull. The Shield stun move the name escpaes me atm is a great way to slow the spike dmg down some.

My 3+ pulls with no CC go like this

Mark em, 1,2,3 ect
Click off Regen/whisper
Throw Shield, Rampart
Flash x2
FB, SB, RoH target one
Flash
Sheild stun target one
FB, SB target one
tab
target 2 RoH
Shield Bash target 2
Flash
FB, SB target one
tab
ROH target 3.
Flash
Shield stun target 3

Unless a DPS goes apesh*t on target 2 or 3 before I get to them, I almost never loose aggro.

Ive seen many people saying its hard to tank and its just not true. I have tanked every dungeon up to Amdapor keep, and i have had ZERO issue with people pulling aggro from me, unless im being lazy or not paying attention. Ive started fights that were 5-6 mobs at once with the healer or bard healing/dps'ing before i could attack, and i still managed to keep things under control. Did they take damage? Sure, but were they ever in danger of dying? Nope. If you wanna be lazy and just tunnel vision the mob with the big 1 over its head then you're gonna have problems, but if you rotate your enmity attacks on mobs and watch the threat meter, it's not an issue. I make it my mission to never lose aggro in a dungeon, and the closer i get to succeeding at it, the happier i am with that run. As far as tanking being boring to you..ive got a full hotbar of 12, plus about 6 other abilities that i use on a regular basis. If tanking is boring to you, maybe tanking is just not your thing.

Lack of tanks is partly due to how unfriendly endgame is not for them.

Hardly anyone is willing to teach them what needs to be done at certain boss fights and their way into the boss fights.

Also, few advice where they can get proper gear.

I actually think it is a good thing DPS can do enough damage to pull off the tank at endgame, it raises the awareness required to clear content both for the tank because he has to keep an eye on the threat meter for the entire pull of mobs, and for the DPS because managing thier threat is THIER JOB, maximize Damage without filling the threat meter to full is exactly how they are supposed to play, if tanks could just hold through anything and everything that would be not balanced

Being one of the few good tanks, its not just a problem of the numbers but ive been lvling a dragoon at like 44 or something and Ive had to literally switch to my pld to tank just because if I do get a que after 45min the tank always seems to fail. a few dungeons, titan and garuda. They do need to give plds a little more aoe threat but I never have any trouble on 3 or less targets, its when its a bunch of small adds come and we want to AOE em down and flash works up to 3 times before diminishing returns nulls it, and circle of scion has a really long cd. Idk I like protecting people ive always been a paladin in every game its what I do so I don't expect people to do it as well as I do, Maybe they should implement some training guild hest for new tanks or something, and the repair bill for my pld has got up to 6k which is crazy something should be done about that aswell.

My only complaint after playing a MRD is that if your Party is derpy derp and don't let you time to grab aggro you will be out of Technical Points (TP) super fast. It sucks because it isn't your fault that you have to spam your buttons it's the damn DPs that wants to pull for you or attack different mobs each. I was in a party where the Lancer was always attacking a different mob then I did a archer who pulled then just spammed her AoE. Even the healer was on my side and telling them to just wait and not rush. But to no avail they wouldn't listen.

the GCD sucks for tanking

the buffs for agro are at later lvls (30 for War , 40 for PLD)

lack of aoe at low lvls (war has overpower spam i guess) , but pala needs circle of scorn at 35 (30 for shield oath)

flash as OCD will be an amazing change

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They do need to give plds a little more aoe threat but I never have any trouble on 3 or less targets, its when its a bunch of small adds come and we want to AOE em down and flash works up to 3 times before diminishing returns nulls it, and circle of scion has a really long cd.

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Keep in mind that just like many other games, when you get pulls with trash(Garuda feathers, Meridianum etc), the tank isnt really expected to hold all that aggro, even if they can. You pick out the dangerous mobs and lock them down and let the dps take care of the rest, and even with the mobs beating on them, it would take a while with no healing for them to die.

ya if someone pulls for me I let them tank it for me aswell and 9/10 the healer agree cause he don't want to tank it after the dps does lol.

And you don't tank the garuda feathers the dps burns them down while you tank garuda away from the pillars cause if the pillars die before she goes boom then your team dies, and ill be tanking alone, or if dps don't burn em down they blow up on the pillars.
Don't know why you say the feathers are trash mobs confusing...