Jump No Longer Necessary after Patch 1.17

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Originally Posted by DNO

win!!! people who do not want jump have no reason for it and can not see the future... what about a place where you can .... Idk jump over cliffs to the next area?

People have stupid reasons for not wanting jump it DOES NOT effect your game in the least... remember you all bitching about quest flags.. notice when it was added no one said anything? because IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY IN ANYWAY.

You people are bitching about JUMP? think about that for a second? JUMP!!!!! who the hell cares if they add it or not but if they do IT WILL NOT KILL YOU AT ALL!!! in fact it could be the start of something cool mab??......

FF11 players are the bitchest bunch of people ever seen i wish i hated ff games after reading stupid threads like this and the posts in them so we would not have anything in common..... You people all bitch for a change and when it comes you bitch even more.....

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If you want this kind of content where an area is only accessable by jumping it should be done with another mechanic like chocobos

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

and you know the game realm can get remade to allow jumping. >.> they plan on remaking a few areas anyway cuz of the "cope and pasting"

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I'm pretty sure with the exception of Black Shroud, Than and Nos wouldn't be redesigned that heavily.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

jay you never played WoW... or don't know what your talking about..
they can make this world jump friendly and last summer x-play did cover a segment on hidden areas of WoW that jump and other tools allowed access to. This is also what Elder scrolls does all the time, and even in risen. SE can add hidden places jump allows access to and it can serve to hid NMs and such.

WoW none of you ever truely played WoW and explored.

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The point I would like to make is that CURRENT areas are not made for it and would require reworking. I'm not saying that future areas could not be designed with it in mind. I know WoW handles it just well but you need to realize that this game is nothing like WoW. Could it be changed? Yes it could. Is it worth it? I can't say for sure. I personally like not having that vertical element.

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Originally Posted by DNO

great post and thats what im saying they can add areas that you can only find with jump. FF11 players are all little boys.

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How nice of you to add such a thoughtful and well-thought out post. I really am impressed by your sensible approach to this situation. >_>
And fyi, I played FFXI for a week if that. I joined too late in the life of the game and no one was on my server. Don't lob flames at me when all I'm trying to do is contribute to the conversation.

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Originally Posted by Skeeter

The excuse of not wanting bunny hopping is seriously getting old. It is too easy to implement a system to not let jumping get abused like that for it to be a factor. It has been stated a million times a simple stamina tied to it won't let people abuse it. And even if it didn't have stamina tied to it, it wouldn't be nearly as big a deal as some exaggerate it to be.

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Could add a stamina bar as you said to prevent spaming, or just add a filter to block out the animation so if you don't want to see it you don't have to. It seems like people skim over the alternatives that compromise for both sides. Both sides can have their cake and eat it.

The arguement that aesthetics are worthless holds no water. If that were the case why not remove all emotes all together? Why improve the effects of spells and battle effects? It's all aesthetics right? I mean spells and skills getting flashier does not improve their effect whatsoever so why is that still such a major issue that several people are complaining about?

The arguement that this will take time away from real issues also holds no validity. They said themselfs that the dev team is compromised of several smaller teams. I'm sure they mentioned that there was a team that did nothing but work on the player environment. I think this falls within that realm.

On a final note, all the people threatening to quit over every little thing. I'll quit if this is too easy. I'll quit if they add jumping. I'll quit if dungeons are anything like wow. I'll quit if NM timers aren't 1 hour + minimum. (you get the picture) Why don't you? I personally can't stand to play with players that get that annoyed over something that trivial. It's a game, it's not supposed to be serrious buisness 24/7.

Jump is not essential to a game. I find this whole topic irrelevant and the fact that Yoshi even mentioned this shows that he is just attempting to please the crowds. If they implement it cool, if they don't also cool.

People should be using their discussion skills on useful topics geared towards actual important content to the game. A simple poll off the community "to jump or not to jump" could have solved this whole stupid temper tantrum discussion thread. These threads are distracting the players from actual important issues.

If you are a person stating FFXIV NEEDS jump (as apposed to "i want jump")and finds that it is essential to game play, then you really need to reevaluate why you play these games.

There was a poll about features and jump was on it iirc, and was also very low in what players cared for compared to other things.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

There was a poll about features and jump was on it iirc, and was also very low in what players cared for compared to other things.

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And i remember seeing people complain about this in Closed Beta (phase II) back when the main player bass was trying to give the game a chance; back then the topic was laughed right out of the beta forums.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

If Jump is implemented will you complain if you try and jump a up onto a cliff, its obvious you should be able to jump it, but because of zone balance SE has an invisible wall that prevents you from doing so?

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Name ONE example just ONE anywhere in the game where this would be a problem? I haven't come across a situation like that anywhere in the game yet. It's not like all of the terrain would need to be redesigned. Collision walls for inaccessible areas in games are always stretched to infinity in the y-axis. There is no way you could accidentally jump anywhere where they don't want you to.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Name ONE example just ONE anywhere in the game where this would be a problem? I haven't come across a situation like that anywhere in the game yet. It's not like all of the terrain would need to be redesigned. Collision walls for inaccessible areas in games are always stretched to infinity in the y-axis. There is no way you could accidentally jump anywhere where they don't want you to.

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Any large cliff in Thanalan -- There's clearly defined invisible barriers preventing you from falling off of it, which means there's one there preventing you from jumping onto it.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Name ONE example just ONE anywhere in the game where this would be a problem? I haven't come across a situation like that anywhere in the game yet. It's not like all of the terrain would need to be redesigned. Collision walls for inaccessible areas in games are always stretched to infinity in the y-axis. There is no way you could accidentally jump anywhere where they don't want you to.

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Any "Game"? New Vegas.

You can not climb cliffs in or go around things the Devs didn't want you to by jumping or exploring. You hit invisible walls. Players had to release mods to allow it and they only work on PC.


Age of Conan has them. WoW used to have them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I still want jumping. Future areas can be designed more freely around jumping being possible.

I knew that some jump haters would go "HA! there's no more reason for jump anymore!" after that announcement. But I still want jumping, and falling. I don't like how we're protected by invisible walls everywhere. I think the environment should be hazardous.

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agreed, u can jump irl, why cant i jump in game, just makes the game feel dated that a simple thing like jumping and falling can't be implemented

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Originally Posted by LilBaller

agreed, u can jump irl, why cant i jump in game, just makes the game feel dated that a simple thing like jumping and falling can't be implemented

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You can already fall, just not down very large terrain. Jumping needs a USE, which it currently has no implementation to be worthwhile, thus it's not in the game at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by LilBaller

agreed, u can jump irl, why cant i jump in game, just makes the game feel dated that a simple thing like jumping and falling can't be implemented

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But just to add it for the sake of adding it is pointless. Why not require you to eat food every so many hours and make you rest at least once a day for 7 hours? We do those things in real life too!

If jumping were to serve a definite purpose then I will support it, but just tacking it on this game? No.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

So in my opinion this is no longer a valid argument towards Jumping.

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There has never been one. Removing the silly invisible walls and collisions has always been the only valid solution.

so ppl do not want jump, a basic standered form of movement in 90% of games, just because of WoW. And there is no real valid argument other then "i don't want or like it"

sorry but that is silly. I like fully exploring my games realm and finding hidden locations. I like to rp in an ultimate fasion so a jump would be required for that, as well as swim. We human being can jump. That is more then enough reason to do it. And if they do it through motion capture it will be a tasteful jump. You guys are getting annoying with this WoW hate. And flooding this forum with it. Anytime a suggestion is made that is in WoW, it is dismissed because of that hate.
Like i personally would like chat animation when we type in /say and shout to had a lil bit of life to our characters. Again with motion capture it will be tasteful, again i would like this due to my want to do ultimate rp. :3

sorry but in my opinon there are more valid reasons to add jump them there are against it.

content being the biggest.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

so ppl do not want jump, a basic standered form of movement in 90% of games, just because of WoW. And there is no real valid argument other then "i don't want or like it"

sorry but that is silly. I like fully exploring my games realm and finding hidden locations. I like to rp in an ultimate fasion so a jump would be required for that, as well as swim. We human being can jump. That is more then enough reason to do it. And if they do it through motion capture it will be a tasteful jump. You guys are getting annoying with this WoW hate. And flooding this forum with it. Anytime a suggestion is made that is in WoW, it is dismissed because of that hate.
Like i personally would like chat animation when we type in /say and shout to had a lil bit of life to our characters. Again with motion capture it will be tasteful, again i would like this due to my want to do ultimate rp. :3

sorry but in my opinon there are more valid reasons to add jump them there are against it.

content being the biggest.

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I still fail to see why this "content" is relevant. You stated you want it for Role Playing, i still argue that jump is not important to role playing. I have to hit up the rest room a couple times a day that does not mean i want it in my game just so it is more "role play" oriented or even "real life" oriented.

I play a game for fun, not for the humdrumb of real life. and i don't see jumping either crucial or fun.

Damn people, you're all talking as if jump has no use in the game right now. which is true, HOWEVER. are you really so blind to suggest the game will never in the future allow such possibilities? You're acting like the maps in the game are carved in stone, unchangeable, you're acting as if the team has no creative freedom in which they can add new elements to the gameplay. You're acting as if they game will always and only be able to support what it has RIGHT NOW. And that, is stupid. They're adding content all the time. jumping can be added at any time, content FOR jumping can also be added - AT ANY TIME. Stop pretending as if it's useless.

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

Damn people, you're all talking as if jump has no use in the game right now. which is true, HOWEVER. are you really so blind to suggest the game will never in the future allow such possibilities? You're acting like the maps in the game are carved in stone, unchangeable, you're acting as if the team has no creative freedom in which they can add new elements to the gameplay. You're acting as if they game will always and only be able to support what it has RIGHT NOW. And that, is stupid. They're adding content all the time. jumping can be added at any time, content FOR jumping can also be added - AT ANY TIME. Stop pretending as if it's useless.

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Give me a good reason why i should care if a game includes jump, because there is a mountain of content i would rather see, rather than being able to jump. As for your "implement jump so we have it for future content" argument would be valid if they had a interesting premise around it, other wise its just another useless gimmick

I played WoW and long time ago and the only use for jump i remember was to jump ONE! gap in Wailing Caverns...

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Originally Posted by Bled

Give me a good reason why i should care if a game includes jump, because there is a mountain of content i would rather see, rather than being able to jump. As for your "implement jump so we have it for future content" argument would be valid if they had a interesting premise around it, other wise its just another useless gimmick

I played WoW and long time ago and the only use for jump i remember was to jump ONE! gap in Wailing Caverns...

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one good reason? You add jumping and that all on its own, adds more possibilities for content creation, meaning you get more content - for jumping. You're welcome

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

one good reason? You add jumping and that all on its own, adds more possibilities for content creation, meaning you get more content - for jumping. You're welcome

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what is this more content created by jumping though? you say its there but you wont state what it is. I am not against adding jumping, as long as its not a gimmick but has a purpose. In every game to date all jumping is, is a gimmick you still have invisible walls or unscalable walls/mountains. Ill thank you when you make a viable argument to support your claim.

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Originally Posted by Bled

what is this more content created by jumping though? you say its there but you wont state what it is. I am not against adding jumping, as long as its not a gimmick but has a purpose. In every game to date all jumping is, is a gimmick you still have invisible walls or unscalable walls/mountains. Ill thank you when you make a viable argument to support your claim.

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Say for example, questable dungeons with physical maze/like puzzles, requiring Jumping up and around it on ledges to get through. It lengthens and creates depth. without it, we're like to recieve another dungeon where you just walk in a straight line towards the end. What good is content when it's all the same? Jumping, climbing, swimming etc can add all new elements to exploration and gameplay, and therefore new types of content variations.

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Originally Posted by Zhyrios

Say for example, questable dungeons with physical maze/like puzzles, requiring Jumping up and around it on ledges to get through. It lengthens and creates depth. without it, we're like to recieve another dungeon where you just walk in a straight line towards the end. What good is content when it's all the same? Jumping, climbing, swimming etc can add all new elements to exploration and gameplay, and therefore new types of content variations.

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I want to agree with you, but i don't want this game to become and action RPG type game. IMO I'm playing the game to concur challenges not scale walls, and other terrain. Like i said though i want to agree with you adding some maze like/puzzle like content would be cool. However even the games that implement jumping don't do this so i feel like its an unwanted burden to MMORPG players as a whole.

But i will say if that were to happen i would not complain. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Bled

I want to agree with you, but i don't want this game to become and action RPG type game. IMO I'm playing the game to concur challenges not scale walls, and other terrain. Like i said though i want to agree with you adding some maze like/puzzle like content would be cool. However even the games that implement jumping don't do this so i feel like its an unwanted burden to MMORPG players as a whole.

But i will say if that were to happen i would not complain. Thank you

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It's cool. it just really bugs me when people accuse jumping being solely for the case of scaling miniature ledges in the way.

Games are made up alot of little systems, not just one big system. One small System can cause a chain reaction, creating alot of other little systems. hence more content.

However i understand people's Scepticism with the idea of jumping, cause previous games didnt innovate it to be a major aspect. But we forget that this is Square-Enix guys, They are the masters of new systems, new ways to make things fun, You can bet if jumping is added, it will be in a way that will be innovative and useful. And i'm pro jumping because i trust them to do it justice.

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You can bet if jumping is added, it will be in a way that will be innovative and useful.

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Yoshida doesn't exactly come off as a guy that is innovative or tries to innovate. Which is what this game probably needs right now, but either way I wouldn't expect anything remarkably different from the form of jumping they are about to introduce. Maybe they will expand on it in the future, who knows.

I didnt test it yet but if thats the case then there is really no reason for jumping.
I dont mind if they add Dungeons e.t.c with physical maze like puzzles.(this sound actually interesting)
But I would prefer fixed animations like FFXIII, where you only can Jump when its needed or climb.

I think they just did it for "temporary" solve problem before they add the jumping feature to the game

they did many temporary fixing since they can't rebuild the system immediately

so... don't be cry, we will allow to jump anyway

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Originally Posted by DNO

win!!! people who do not want jump have no reason for it and can not see the future... what about a place where you can .... Idk jump over cliffs to the next area?

People have stupid reasons for not wanting jump it DOES NOT effect your game in the least... remember you all bitching about quest flags.. notice when it was added no one said anything? because IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR GAMEPLAY IN ANYWAY.

You people are bitching about JUMP? think about that for a second? JUMP!!!!! who the hell cares if they add it or not but if they do IT WILL NOT KILL YOU AT ALL!!! in fact it could be the start of something cool mab??......

FF11 players are the bitchest bunch of people ever seen i wish i hated ff games after reading stupid threads like this and the posts in them so we would not have anything in common..... You people all bitch for a change and when it comes you bitch even more.....

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Tell me about it.

They're like: why jump when you can just fall?

I'm like: Um, how exactly do you fall over a puddle on the ground, or fall over a whole in a bridge, or fall between two cliffs separated by a gap?

I just stare in disbelief sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There has never been one. Removing the silly invisible walls and collisions has always been the only valid solution.

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You forgot to ammend your post with an "in my opinion".

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I'm like: Um, how exactly do you fall over a puddle on the ground, or fall over a whole in a bridge, or fall between two cliffs separated by a gap?

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Yes, the amount of puddles, holes and gaps in the scenery are really dominant. Can't walk two steps without seeing one!

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Yes, the amount of puddles, holes and gaps in the scenery are really dominant. Can't walk two steps without seeing one!

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Well if they were everywhere then we'd have spam jumpers wouldn't we? Just out of sheer necessity.

And if they weren't anywhere we wouldn't have jumpers at all!

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

And if they weren't anywhere we wouldn't have jumpers at all!

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Yeah, wouldn't it be cool if we played on a perfectly flat world with no variation.

It would be pretty cool if we played on a world with little to no gaps, holes and puddles (which doesn't translate to "perfectly flat"). Oh, we do.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

It would be pretty cool if we played on a world with little to no gaps, holes and puddles (which doesn't translate to "perfectly flat"). Oh, we do.

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Aw gee, pity there actually are gaps which we cannot jump over in the game. Explore more.

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little to no gaps

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Read more.

Ordelle's caves-syndrome at work here.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Read more.

Ordelle's caves-syndrome at work here.

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It's a case of broken-record syndrome more like. You just arguing in circles.

Besides, this is a beta, they can implement future zones with more jumping-related topography in mind if they so choose. So quit limiting FFXIV's potential, please.

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It's a case of broken-record syndrome more like. You just arguing in circles.

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Nope, simply pointing out the flaws in your logic. The more you struggle the longer this continues, too.

Then why not implement jumping when the mysterious "future zones" are in place? There's more than enough to fix in this game as-is.

Why jump when you can just fall? "BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO GAPS IN THE WHOLE WORLD YOU CAN'T FALL OVER AND IN THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE TOO, I'M SERIOUS". -gifthorse

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Nope, simply pointing out the flaws in your logic. The more you struggle the longer this continues, too.

Then why not implement jumping when the mysterious "future zones" are in place? There's more than enough to fix in this game as-is.

Why jump when you can just fall? "BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO GAPS IN THE WHOLE WORLD YOU CAN'T FALL OVER AND IN THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE TOO, I'M SERIOUS". -gifthorse

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Lol, I never said it was a priority. If you want flawed logic, just look at your posts. On one hand you say SE designed the world in such a way that jump is not necessary to exploration, on the other you say they should implement jump after they add more zones and only if those zones need it. But you must realise, but im sure you probably dont, that jump must be implemented first or at the very least be in the pipeline before they would ever design a zone with it in mind.

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Lol, I never said it was a priority.

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Then why are you defending it's implementation? Talk about flawed logic.

Jumping right now is completely and utterly meaningless. If it someday becomes meaningful some way or the other, it can be implemented, but not before as there are more important issues to deal with that actually benefit the game right now and not "someday".

While this was a nice addition, a jump feature would still add more depth, variety, and challenge to new (or re-worked) areas.

In my not so humble opinion this issue is "half/quick fixed" .