GIL Sellers Are on The Rise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Camate

...however, this opens up the possibility of accidentally blacklisting people by misclicking etc., so we'd like to take the time to look into this carefully.

---

You could just add a "Copy Name" to the click menu. That would be useful for many things not just blacklisting. (Obviously we would need a "paste" function as well.)

Character limit!

My point being that "People vendored their stuff all the time even with three confirmation boxes" is speaking of an entirely different situation. We are not talking about a situation where one would be clicking every line in their chat, selecting "Block user" and then having to click to confirm three times, each time, and doing this through the majority of an 80-slot inventory. We're talking about a situation where one, maybe two people would need to be reported, and a single confirmation is presented. And that is assuming that this issue stems from a similar UI lag issue as the inventory issues did in 1.0, which would make the single confirmation box a good idea.

Would be nice if there was a way to report them and it puts them on automatic black list with button click. It can say you're reporting so and so for whatever is this correct and then as soon as you say yes boom blacklist. Think it was Ragnarok 2 that had a spam report option that did this that I played while waiting for ffxiv lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Medieval

Not going to lie, this is dumb beyond belief. You are literally saying players are too stupid to right click on someones name and add them to an ignore list without accidently ignoring their friends/innocent strangers.

---

Agreed, It's almost too much work adding someone to black list or reporting them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Davorok

You could just add a "Copy Name" to the click menu. That would be useful for many things not just blacklisting. (Obviously we would need a "paste" function as well.)

---

I might be misunderstanding your comment, but it's probably worth mentioning that you can just Ctrl+V to paste text in the game already.

I think its funny 90% of the servers are locked & about half the people fighting to get on are probably RMT's. While the chat thing is annoying the amount of people on the "I hate gil buyers train" is laughable. Heads up for the people who are new to FFXIV but never played FF11 (85% of FFXI players either buy gil, sell gil or do neither but don't care if others do) so don't be in shock if people aren't that hidden about it over Vent/TS/ w/e VoIP you use.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tari-F

I might be misunderstanding your comment, but it's probably worth mentioning that you can just Ctrl+V to paste text in the game already.

---

True but need to be able to do it on a gamepad.

What about "boxers" in the game? Can anything be done about that? I already saw someone playing four toons at once. It looked like someone was doing Johnny Cage's Shadow Kick. One Arcanist with three echoing shadows all run to the same NPC, then attack the same monster doing the exact same spells and movements, just an echo of the first.

Some people think this is perfectly legal because they're allowed to have multiple accounts. The thing is, why would anyone want four exact copies of the same character? Because they're using the game to make real world money! They will gold farm until they get bored and then sell their max level toons for a profit as well. There has to be a way to detect this sort of thing and ban them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WildSnipe

What about "boxers" in the game? Can anything be done about that? I already saw someone playing four toons at once. It looked like someone was doing Johnny Cage's Shadow Kick. One Arcanist with three echoing shadows all run to the same NPC, then attack the same monster doing the exact same spells and movements, just an echo of the first.

Some people think this is perfectly legal because they're allowed to have multiple accounts. The thing is, why would anyone want four exact copies of the same character? Because they're using the game to make real world money! They will gold farm until they get bored and then sell their max level toons for a profit as well. There has to be a way to detect this sort of thing and ban them.

---

PvP is why there doing that. 4vs4 arena

Ive played during ffxi prime rmt times, and SE did a great job on cleaning the game up for 75%, but yeh most ffxi players did end up buying gil, and i myself was 1 of those guys that didnt care, cuz like all the good equip became untradable/unsellable.

I just hope they do the same on ffxiv, but this time a bit quicker, cuz it took like 4-5yrs for ffxi to actually have an anti-rmt/haxor GM group. They should make the same kinda GMs for ffxiv:arr imo.

For the people that would still buy gil, well there will always be criminals in life....live with it, or go wait for ff15? :P eitherway i personally wouldnt care if sum1 on the other side of the planet spends his hard-earned money to get "elite sheett" on a game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Medieval

Not going to lie, this is dumb beyond belief. You are literally saying players are too stupid to right click on someones name and add them to an ignore list without accidently ignoring their friends/innocent strangers.

---

It is justified, you've clearly never released a feature for anything to the masses.

The easiest solution is to have an "Okay/Cancel" box when you use this option.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by InVizO

My buddies are already receiving tells from gil sellers on day 1. Every1 do their part and report them asap. Hopefully SE will be on the ball with this one as they have stated before.

edit: ctrl + mouse scroll on the pic below

---

Is there an easy way to report them? I have to copy/paste their names and manually add them to my /blist. I wish there was a way to just right click on their names and report them for spam, but if there is I do not know how.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Medieval

Not going to lie, this is dumb beyond belief. You are literally saying players are too stupid to right click on someones name and add them to an ignore list without accidently ignoring their friends/innocent strangers.

---

But some of us are that dumb. Honestly I know that I am. I have accidentally invited people when wanting to just examine them. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drifter979

I think its funny 90% of the servers are locked & about half the people fighting to get on are probably RMT's. While the chat thing is annoying the amount of people on the "I hate gil buyers train" is laughable. Heads up for the people who are new to FFXIV but never played FF11 (85% of FFXI players either buy gil, sell gil or do neither but don't care if others do) so don't be in shock if people aren't that hidden about it over Vent/TS/ w/e VoIP you use.

---

While you think it's funny, I find it abominable that you seem to either think it's ok, or just don't give damn. I'm not in shock that it's happening because it's the same in every MMO, not just FF:XI and FF:XIV. What does shock me is the game hasn't even been live for a week. Same thing happened in SWTOR, less than a week. I wouldn't mind it so much except they ruin the game community economy. People jack their prices up because they know some kid with a credit card will pay insane prices because they just bought their in game money from a website. That's probably the biggest reason I quit WoW. I did so much work trying to earn a flying mount and while other people just came in the game with a max level toon and flying around and wiping dungeon runs because they didn't have a clue how to play their role. Then later down the road when I decided to work a craft, I had to pay several gold to by materials only worth a few silver pieces. It got ridiculous.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Medieval

Not going to lie, this is dumb beyond belief. You are literally saying players are too stupid to right click on someones name and add them to an ignore list without accidently ignoring their friends/innocent strangers.

---

Never underestimate stupidity. You can add all the safeguards in the world to something, and someone somewhere will still manage to accidentally mess it up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Medieval

Not going to lie, this is dumb beyond belief. You are literally saying players are too stupid to right click on someones name and add them to an ignore list without accidently ignoring their friends/innocent strangers.

---

It's not really dumb- they just need a confirmation message and it will be all fine. That's generally what you should do anytime there's a concern of "somebody might mess it up."

Yikes, Camate. Might blacklist the wrong guy? Well, if that's all, I would suggest giving us the ability to right click the name, which would bring up a mini-menu that has the option to send a tell, add to party, send friend request, or add to blacklist. The blacklist option could have a big confirmation message that displays the name of the person being blacklisted, and the cursor could even start on the "Cancel" button.

For gamepad users, moving the cursor to the name of the person and pressing Square (X on xbox-style controller) would bring up the same mini-menu. This idea would utilize the same mini-menu that is used when targeting someone and pressing Square(X) and as such, you should be able to blacklist through this method as well, complete with said confirmation pop-up to ensure fewer mistake-blacklistings.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

I have yet to see one on Excalibur, perhaps 1 good thing about legacy servers

---

sadly they are there blocked about 7 so far

Definitely think that they need to crack down on this big time. One big thing that we have from the start that XI didn't have is a lot more bound gear. Gil selling destroyed the economy in XI. People selling items for many millions of Gil when there was no way to make that kind of money in a reasonable amount of time playing the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's not really dumb- they just need a confirmation message and it will be all fine. That's generally what you should do anytime there's a concern of "somebody might mess it up."

---

I had this problem in Neverwinter. They have a right click to report, and the chat was moving so fast you could have your mouse over the name to report and as soon as you click it was on a different name but you didn't see it quick enough, but clicked anyway. There was no confirmation box though, so... :\

It's interesting watching MMOs try and stop gold selling. It seems the harder it is to earn the gold for regular players, the more gold sellers. Just look at wow, it used to take forever to earn 40 gold for a mount, but now even for low levels it's easy, and in that time they starved the gold sellers. RMT will be huge here, i think, as once you finish the quests, there is terrible money making, and more spent than earn. 200 or so gil a leve, fate, dungeon run or whatever when a teleport costs twice that, not to mention repairs at 50?

saw one in Gridania yesterday spamming the chat log with endless shouts. Reported his dumb ass.

Frankly, I can see where SE is going with the black list thing,. I've seen peolpe accidentally BL the wrong person and they didn't know about it, especially if the chat is constantly moving and you misclicked the wrong name.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Selyndria

Definitely think that they need to crack down on this big time. One big thing that we have from the start that XI didn't have is a lot more bound gear. Gil selling destroyed the economy in XI. People selling items for many millions of Gil when there was no way to make that kind of money in a reasonable amount of time playing the game.

---

The economy in this game is already shot before it even had a chance to start. There is no alternative gil incoming from outside sources that doesn't require a ridiculous grind. Which means that the only gil we get is from story/quests/leves/fates. After hitting 50, repairs on decent gear can get up to 3.5k a pop. This isn't even including the money needed to buy anything from anyone on the server, even fellow free company people.

Right click a name in chat to "ignore" or "to report spam" is a pretty standard MMO feature. While it may seem harsh to the developers I for one feel no remorse what so ever when I block or report someone. To not have an easy way to block someone is an open invite to spammers to peddle their trade.

Well, it was proposed that there should be a filter that blocks tell with website names, this wouldn't work because the use "WVVW" and ".c0m". Besides that, it'd be too strict and interrupt people simply sending tells, such as "Look! I finished my relic [insert link here]." and the like.

My suggestion is an automated (and very carefully tested) system that would kick a player from the server after sending the same /tell to...say...15? 20 people? You can find an appropriate number easily enough.

The benefits to this would be that the RMT would eventually catch on, and have to relog, depending on post-update server stability, getting back on may or may not be a problem.

I think they are just being cautious for the right reasons. Accidentally ignoring someone is one thing, accidentally reporting someone's account for investigation is another.

If you don't wanna add a right click blacklist option at least add a /blist "Name Name" command. One is, clearly, very sure with that kind of thing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Parodine

If you don't wanna add a right click blacklist option at least add a /blist "Name Name" command. One is, clearly, very sure with that kind of thing.

---

A chat command already exists. It's "/blist add "Gil Spammer".

I had some sending me tells today for the first time. I'd report them, but SE made it such a pain to do so. Can't be bothered.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WizardShotTheFood

A chat command already exists. It's "/blist add "Gil Spammer".

---

And that chat command actually does have a confirmation box that appears when you press ENTER. I guess Square-Enix is afraid that the user will also accidentally click on "Yes" or "OK".

I liked how FFXI had an option in chat filters for "filter shouts deemed to be spam" and "filter tells deemed to be spam". Now FFXIV devs just need to implement a similar heuristics filter and enable an option for it in the client. The filter in FFXI wasn't perfect by any means, but it filtered most of the spam.

Those RMT are persistant and will find a way to disrupt the game by uniting and hording key essential areas needed to complete certain Missions, Quests, and other tasks!
They will do what ever it takes to Make a single dollar of real currency!
It got so out of control on FFXI that I finally left after 5 years because it was taking months to do a successfull party armor upgrade run because all the paid RMT parties was hording the areas!
Linkshells were always breaking up mainly for the same reason unsucessfull runs caused by those RMT's.
OK so Gill it self has no value but they will eventually find something that has value and will do every thing possible preventing you from getting it!
I just dont like the help desk program it should be able to auto link the server,Area, and time and all you should have to do is type the name of the character and what was said!
We sould not have to type all that area stuff!
Please upgrade this!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kazaran

In the time SE lets them do ther thing, SE also tracks and bans supporters. When they got heavy on XI the amount of banned gil buyers sky rocketed.

---

Exactly what he said, I played FFXI for 10 years, I remember all the mass bans, one time they deleted several hundred RMT and billions of gil with them lol, just give them time, they do handle it

I have a total of 12 spamers on my Blist right now. And some of the names you can tell they are just going to delet that name an make a new one. heres a example of the type of names im seeing (Nnrvjxtn Tjqix) now this is one i just made up but for the most part thats what they look like so if you report them an the GM or Dev dosent respond fast enough. they have deleted there old name an made a new one. If im Wrong then sry. was just thinking of how they could get around it if not caught fast enough.

Not putting it in because you might blacklist the wrong person is nothing short of retarded. If it says "Would you like to report <name> for spam?" and you confirm it even if it's the wrong person, you're retarded as well.

Edit: And this goes without saying, but here it is anyways: Selling in game currency is a business. They do it to make money IRL as anyone does with any job. They make it, they market it, and people buy it. They will never go away until people stop buying from them and they stop making any money from it. So remember the next time you see their spam, that they're doing so because your fellow players are keeping them in business.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Davorok

You could just add a "Copy Name" to the click menu. That would be useful for many things not just blacklisting. (Obviously we would need a "paste" function as well.)

---

This, right here. Simply add "copy" to the R-click of names in chat. As opposed to me Windows shortcutting it (which works btw, sorry PS3 folk ; ;)

i'd like it if blacklist actually blocks them from sending tells to me too, i'm 100% sure i blacklisted a gil seller (he /tell me out of nowhere, after blacklist i received another from him a while later)

Once request I would make, when someone's name appears in chat log from a tell or shouts. We are able to select the name on chat log and take actions like send tell, invite to party, I would really love to see a blacklist option there for these RMT. It was a hassle the other night to stop every 5 mins to go to my black list and type in someone's name. I have multiple RMT on my blacklist now, one spammed me 6 times in a 30 min period when I went afk for dinner. I blacklisted him also, and I have reported each one. If its going to be a hassle to blacklist them, at least give us a fast blacklist option?

As others have said, blacklist is just a band-aid solution. GET THIS: I know someone who named their character "Square Enix" and made it about 3 days after launch before SE forced a name change. In light of that I removed several people from my blacklist and guess what? They are still spamming cities and zones! SE takes action against naming -- but have no procedures directly related to Gil Sellers. Or anyone spamming! We don't want a band-aid solution. We want to see results. Create an EASY way to report with screenshot attached and start banning accounts including the credit card used.

With that said, I have no doubt that SE is tackling ideas and we will eventually get a fix. SE: make history again and implement the next gen defense against Gil Sellers. Not only will their constant spamming create an irritating experience constantly having to blacklist newly made characters (and delete as we approach the BL cap), but as we all know Gil Sellers AND Buyers ruin the in-game economy. No economy = SE sitting on a second failed FFXIV.

Last night over the course of 2 hours, I was spam-tell'd with about 5 or 6 gil sellers on Balmung. This REALLY needs to be cracked down on, as it's getting to the point I can't have a conversation with my FC because we're all being spammed by this crap

I've been seeing the sellers, but I'm not sure why. Whats the point of buying Gil? I use mine for almost nothing already. Even with repairs, and continuous teleports and my count keeps going up. I have yet to find any real REASON to spend it on the Market...