NA / EU / JP server=No transfer

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Your 1.0 server is not going to turn into anything. It's going to stay located in Japan, and it's going to continue being a global/JP server.

New servers are coming up in other regions of the world that are going to be global/NA or global/EU servers, to which you can't transfer an existing character.

Hope this helps.

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Please link to the dev post where this was stated. I think it is a misunderstanding of a portion of the playerbase. As I understand it, all that was stated is basically this:

1. there will be new servers
2. there will be regional servers
3. existing characters cannot transfer to new servers

Points 1 and 2 are not neccessarily related, leaving the possibility that some existing worlds will be moved from Japan to other regions.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I'm just interested in how much people will rethink the importance of "regional servers" when we hit Beta, because I'm fairly certain the Beta servers are all going to still be in Japan.

Then we will see how much those milleseconds saved seem to matter when we have a decent server to work with in the first place, also sans animation lock.

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Yeah I feel the same way. During Alpha I noticed NO animation lock at all. Speaking to my fellow LS mates about this has caused a bit of trouble deciding if we will move to a NA server at all. If things stay the way they are, personally I would love to stay on a SE JP server because I like having different people to play with from other places in the World. It's one of the reasons I like MMOs; variation.

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Yeah I feel the same way. During Alpha I noticed NO animation lock at all. Speaking to my fellow LS mates about this has caused a bit of trouble deciding if we will move to a NA server at all. If things stay the way they are, personally I would love to stay on a SE JP server because I like having different people to play with from other places in the World. It's one of the reasons I like MMOs; variation.

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The only thing you be playing with other people would be none instance. Seeing how instance would be language base will you could always lie about that lol. But still beside open Roaming Odin/primal and F.A.T.E and w/e else there is everything else people would just do dungeon finder. So even if you playing during the morning in NA base world dungeon finder would help you always get a party so that wont be a issue.

My only issue would be how bad the community would be in NA worlds vs JP because there always be NA,EU playing on there. If FFXIV get a lot of player base i think NA world would be full of annoying players from other games and that would suck :(.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

The only thing you be playing with other people would be none instance. Seeing how instance would be language base will you could always lie about that lol. But still beside open Roaming Odin/primal and F.A.T.E and w/e else there is everything else people would just do dungeon finder. So even if you playing during the morning in NA base world dungeon finder would help you always get a party so that wont be a issue.

My only issue would be how bad the community would be in NA worlds vs JP because there always be NA,EU playing on there. If FFXIV get a lot of player base i think NA world would be full of annoying players from other games and that would suck :(.

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Yeah I see what you mean and unfortunately have to agree with most of it. We have folks from all over the globe in our LS including those in Japan. It's one of the "perks" I guess you could say with our Shell. Since we don't discriminate based off of time zone it gives everyone regardless of time or day, 90% of the time to have someone from the shell on. Helps make us a tighter shell. I would love staying up late to help our newer JP players finish Dungeon Runs for items or Quest story lines.

Having a varied population doesn't just affect who do you run instances or whatever with. It also affects the times at which the servers are actually active, and also the server's economy.

Personally, I think it would suck to be in a server that is pretty much dead at certain times of the day.
I hope people does realize how little those milliseconds actually affect you with a decent server structure (which I can attest to being someone that is literally NEVER close to the servers for whatever online game I play) once we're in the first phases of beta, and that that lessens the chance of a massive exodus happening. I really don't wanna be stuck in a time zone driven server.

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Originally Posted by Geesus

Yeah I see what you mean and unfortunately have to agree with most of it. We have folks from all over the globe in our LS including those in Japan. It's one of the "perks" I guess you could say with our Shell. Since we don't discriminate based off of time zone it gives everyone regardless of time or day, 90% of the time to have someone from the shell on. Helps make us a tighter shell. I would love staying up late to help our newer JP players finish Dungeon Runs for items or Quest story lines.

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Ya you have to make a hard choose then most if not all JP would go to a JP world same with NA,EU. Some players are willing to lose a good linkshell to be close to the servers to them. I know SE said they be also releasing some GlobalServers but they be base in JP. At this point i not sure what the best idea seeing how the once in NA could go down for hours to fix something vs the JP one being fix right away by SE them-self. I guess we see how bad the lag is in Beta and if not that bad then i bet most people would just stay in a JP world overall i think it would have a better community. Seeing how all the jerks from WoW and other game would see the NA and pick that right away.

@klefth is also up to what time your active i myself base in EST time zone but i play around 9pm to beyond 5am. Seeing how SE is releasing a Global server even tho it's base in JP. I think that would have a way better community the players world base on NA only like i said on top of my post do to everyone wow player picking the NA worlds. Don't get me wrong not saying wow players are bad just saying a big % of them are jerks and would mess up the community we had in 1.0.

But i agree with you i'll take 2-3sec lag vs a bad community / not seeing anyone at 9pm-6am my time.

lol, it doesn't even need to be as bad as a 2-3 second lag. If done well, latencies even up to 180'ish ms (what I'm usually at when playing) are nearly imperceptible, even on intense PvP games like Street Fighter IV/3rd strike Online, FPSs or MOBAs. People just like to make a huge fuss over this. I can't help but laugh when I see people crying "omg, lag!" every time they die in LoL when I can see at the start of the game that they have <30 ms ping while I play with >150 on average in the NA server.

Also, if you're based on EST and play at those times, Zenaku, I bet you don't really meet a whole lot of other american players, do you? Usually at those times most people around were Europeans or JP, at least from my experience. Regional servers would, for the most part, be time zone driven, which means at times like early morning or late night, the servers would likely be nothing short of a barren desert compared to peak times since there aren't many people from other time zones to fill in those gaps.

@Zenaku same as i play on EST as does the majority of our shell. And while that makes for a meh time frame for me through the week, the weekends are different. But we also have players who have part time jobs or just more time to play so. And I don't mind occasionally have a slow server. Just means I find something else to do that day; maybe craft and just explore. But I get your point completely and I think some people WILL forget to take that into consideration. But I'd rather have a slower server than a bunch of jerks.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

lol, it doesn't even need to be a 2-3 second lag. If done well, latencies even up to 180'ish ms (what I'm usually at when playing) are nearly imperceptible, even on intense PvP games like Street Fighter IV/3rd strike Online, FPSs or MOBAs.

Also, if you're based on EST and play at those times, I bet you don't really meed a whole lot of other american players, do you? Usually at those times most people around were Europeans or JP, at least from my experience. Regional servers would, for the most part, be time zone driven, which means at times like early morning or late night, the servers would likely be nothing short of a barren desert compared to peak times.

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There not really a lot of American players at that time but my ls does event around 7pm and sometime we go on to 5am in the morning or later. The days that there noting to do i end up making money so i can up with everyone else and do other relic with my shell during that time i only got 3 i was going to do more but i want to save money for 2.0. But ya i agree i think global world would be the best bet to have a nice world and nice people.

@Geesus seeing how SE said they be global worlds "base in JP servers"i think that be best for players like us who want to play with people from other parts of the world and play with nice people. But overall it up too where my linkshell goes if they pick NA i go NA seeing how there dungeon finder i going to end up dealing with jerks anyways :)

As long as SE keeps my server as is (Located in Japan) and there isn't some sort of mass exodus to other servers I'll stay where I am.

On the other hand, SE really should dedicate a server to being "Global" regardless of where it's located, I want to play in a breathing world not one that kicks the bucket after "Prime time" because god forbid you either use the auto translate for it's purpose or find out that people outside your timezone actually speak english in large volume!

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As long as SE keeps my server as is (Located in Japan) and there isn't some sort of mass exodus to other servers I'll stay where I am.

On the other hand, SE really should dedicate a server to being "Global" regardless of where it's located, I want to play in a breathing world not one that kicks the bucket after "Prime time" because god forbid you either use the auto translate for it's purpose or find out that people outside your timezone actually speak english in large volume!

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I said few post back that SE is indeed doing a Global world for everyone but there base in JP. Overall every world is Global you can join a JP,EU,NA it's not like other games that don't allow you to enter a world due to the fact you not in that area. But Yoshi-p did say he mark some worlds as Global but they still be base in JP servers.

It would be nice to know if current characters will be given the option to move to a new server at launch that is not designated for new characters. Many people may not end up on a server by default that is in their geographical region and it would be nice to know if we'll have the option of picking one as we're getting the option to make other tweaks to our characters.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

So what did they first announce they were going to do, and then what did they end up doing?

Funny, the above could described just about any discussion on these forums. :p

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what they originally said was they were going to allow the active players to go to the server of their choice if there was room in the server they wanted to join, but all players that were on break would be defaulted to a server with all inactive players. if they came back they would be allowed a chance to transfer to the server of their choice if that server had room otherwise they would be forced onto whatever server that had room. those players would be split from their friends/linkshells. the servers filled up super fast btw.

people complained that they would like their entire world to get merged with other existing worlds and then given an option to move away from that world. server a + server b/w an option to move away from that combined server to move to server c. this would allow the people that had friends that will be coming back on arr release to be on the same server as they were unless you decided to move away from that server.

se decided to go with the complete server merge instead of everyone having to manually decide which server they wanted to transfer to and splitting complete servers apart.

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Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question. :)

It seems absurd they would have given people a choice. That sounds like a complete mess. Sounds like they did the obvious sensible thing in the end.

As to the topic, it makes a lot more sense to me now that we don't have all the answers from SE yet, because they are waiting for information they obtain through the Beta tests.

Still no confirmations huh.

I find it sad that I received an email from SE Support about being able to move my main character Altera from Sargatanas to Balmung. And they posted in the first email I got that it will be an option on my XIV account and would cost a fee to do so.

COPIED FROM EMAIL:
It is possible for you to transfer your character to a different server.

However, this is not something that we can do for you; you will have to do this yourself in your Square Enix Account Management. Simply log into your account, go to Services and Options>Select Service>Final Fantasy XIV>Options List. You will have the option to do a World Transfer there.

Please be aware that a World Transfer incurs a small fee. Please also be aware that this action will only be possible once Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is released.


Then I was told this was not possible, but might be in the future.

And 3rd mail stated it never had the option in XIV and might never have.

If they dont allow us to move our characters around to servers that current Legacy characters are on. I will be disappointed to need to drop my Altera and all the effort and stuff I have gathered to start as a LVL 1 on Balmung just to join my friends there :(

LAST EMAIL

We are sorry for any confusion caused by the original e-mail, however a World Transfer is not a service that is currently available on FINAL FANTASY XIV.

We have no information at this stage whether the service will be available in the future, however it has never been available on FINAL FANTASY XIV.

We apologise for any inconvenience, but again advise you check our website and the official Lodestone forums for more information in the coming months.

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Originally Posted by Altera

Still no confirmations huh.

I find it sad that I received an email from SE Support about being able to move my main character Altera from Sargatanas to Balmung. And they posted in the first email I got that it will be an option on my XIV account and would cost a fee to do so.

COPIED FROM EMAIL:
It is possible for you to transfer your character to a different server.

However, this is not something that we can do for you; you will have to do this yourself in your Square Enix Account Management. Simply log into your account, go to Services and Options>Select Service>Final Fantasy XIV>Options List. You will have the option to do a World Transfer there.

Please be aware that a World Transfer incurs a small fee. Please also be aware that this action will only be possible once Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is released.


Then I was told this was not possible, but might be in the future.

And 3rd mail stated it never had the option in XIV and might never have.

If they dont allow us to move our characters around to servers that current Legacy characters are on. I will be disappointed to need to drop my Altera and all the effort and stuff I have gathered to start as a LVL 1 on Balmung just to join my friends there :(

LAST EMAIL

We are sorry for any confusion caused by the original e-mail, however a World Transfer is not a service that is currently available on FINAL FANTASY XIV.

We have no information at this stage whether the service will be available in the future, however it has never been available on FINAL FANTASY XIV.

We apologise for any inconvenience, but again advise you check our website and the official Lodestone forums for more information in the coming months.

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I agree with Altera here, i am deeply disapointed about this. Seeing it would be ALOT easier for all of us to transfer realm and not having to start over on EVERYTHING we done in 1.0 wich is sad if we do. Since i want to play with friends from other servers. But it does not make it easier when SE cant even impliment paid character transfer. Like WoW,SWTOR,AION,GW2. So on have.. and it makes me sad since i really REALLY love FF XIV.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Please link to the dev post where this was stated. I think it is a misunderstanding of a portion of the playerbase. As I understand it, all that was stated is basically this:

1. there will be new servers
2. there will be regional servers
3. existing characters cannot transfer to new servers

Points 1 and 2 are not neccessarily related, leaving the possibility that some existing worlds will be moved from Japan to other regions.

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That would royally piss off Japanese players and therefore they would never do it. Lack of dev post does not trump common sense >.>

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Originally Posted by EU_Community_Team

Bonjour à tous.

Tout d'abord, j'aimerais m'excuser pour le délai de ma réponse et j'espère que mon message pourra vous rassurer.

Comme expliqué précédemment, de nouveaux serveurs seront disponibles pour les nouveaux joueurs, et ces serveurs seront reservés aux nouveaux personnages seulement.
Cependant, les joueurs « Legacy » ne seront pas pour autant contraint de rester sur des serveurs localisés au Japon et pourrons jouer sur un autre serveur, plus proche de chez eux.

Malheureusement, je ne peux fournir tous les détails concernant la mise en place des serveurs, mais d'avantage d'informations seront communiquées dès que possible.

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Official answer in French forum.

>> Yes, there will be new servers EU and NA for old characters

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Originally Posted by panzertroll

Official answer in French forum.

>> Yes, there will be new servers EU and NA for old charaters

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Thanks. Think I should drop by the french forums every now and then too, I guess.

I kind of take that as both good and sad news, since I had hoped we'd at least have some time to see if if would be truly necessary to migrate to regional servers. Oh well... Personally, I find it kind of pointless still, but since everyone will be jumping ship in the end, I guess I'll have to do it eventually as well... :/

I guess we're just gunna know when we know, and maybe not even then....

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I guess we're just gunna know when we know, and maybe not even then....

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It says in that post Panzertroll quoted that Legacy players won't be made to stay to servers located in Japan, and that we will be able to play in "servers closer to us".

"Us" my ass...

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Thanks. Think I should drop by the french forums every now and then too, I guess.

I kind of take that as both good and sad news, since I had hoped we'd at least have some time to see if if would be truly necessary to migrate to regional servers. Oh well... Personally, I find it kind of pointless still, but since everyone will be jumping ship in the end, I guess I'll have to do it eventually as well... :/

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you have time in beta 1-2 seeing how NA,EU world would come out to beta 3 :)

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Originally Posted by Klefth

"Us" my ass...

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....what..??

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

....what..??

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Well, no matter what region I pick, I'll still be far from either server. I'm sure there must be a ton of other people that are left in the middle without knowing what to do about this move either. There's more to the world than Japan, Western Europe and North America, you know?

In this move to time-zone centric servers, we're the ones that are affected the most. Not only are we stuck with a smaller community that's truly active only during certain times of the day, but our latency also stays almost the same (not that it matters as much as people try to make it seem, but still). We stand to gain jack shit from this. People in the respective regions (and hopefully in the same country as well) will at least gain their precious 1/10th of a second. I'm sure it's going to make a gigantic deal of a difference.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

you have time in beta 1-2 seeing how NA,EU world would come out to beta 3 :)

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I'm aware, but I highly doubt that will change anyone's mind. I mean, Alpha didn't, right?

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Well, no matter what region I pick, I'll still be far from either server. I'm sure there must be a ton of other people that are left in the middle without knowing what to do about this move either. There's more to the world than Japan, Western Europe and North America, you know? In this move to time-zone centric servers, we're the ones that are affected the most. Not only are we stuck with a smaller community that's truly active only during certain times of the day, but our latency also stays almost the same (not that it matters as much as people try to make it seem, but still). We stand to gain jack shit from this.

I'm aware, but I highly doubt that will change anyone's mind. I mean, Alpha didn't, right?

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i never felt the lag people had issue with in 1.0 only rare moments i live in FL with att. So i did pretty will in ifrit ex without getting hit by much only when i made a mistake myself.

it's really a trade off if you go to NA worlds we may end up with lots of jerks from other mmo. Also the fact that SE have no control over the NA worlds and w/e company control it may take longer to fix issue. So it's up to people if they want little less lag and jerk players. I don't really mind i be going to w/e world my linkshell it best to be with good friends.

On the other hand, Zenaku, one I was the one recording our 18th defeat to Ifrit, and when I showed my friends they were surprised at how friggen far I was from the cracks when I got exploded by them.
Sadly lag is an actual issue sometimes

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Originally Posted by Skies

Sadly lag is an actual issue sometimes

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The servers and bad coding were. That matter has been discussed way too much before, though. Not getting into that.

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Originally Posted by Skies

On the other hand, Zenaku, one I was the one recording our 18th defeat to Ifrit, and when I showed my friends they were surprised at how friggen far I was from the cracks when I got exploded by them.
Sadly lag is an actual issue sometimes

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Yes i know what you mean i seen many people having that issue. Not saying i never got lag in ifrit before i'm just saying i did not have it happen to me as bad as others. I done lot's of runs without getting hit once most of the time it was my own mistake. But what i'm saying with the new servers/engine i don't see us having that bad lag that would mess us up if we are in a JP world.

I know i be going to w/e world my linkshell is going but you have to wonder. How good would the company be in NA at fixing issue. Also how bad would the player base be seeing how people from other mmo would be picking the NA worlds. Seeing how there worlds for starting players i hoping they end up going there tho.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

That would royally piss off Japanese players and therefore they would never do it. Lack of dev post does not trump common sense >.>

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On the contrary, I think it would be common sense to assume they would treat players from all regions equally rather than Japan > all other regions. Rather than make assumptions though, I'm gonna wait for an official dev post about how server migration is gonna go down.

I think it makes the most sense to play on a server closest to your time zone (and probably more importantly, a server that is active during the time you play in the case that you work an irregular shift), assuming the group of people you're currently playing with are going to move. Currently we all play on Japanese servers, but if the majority of NA players all take off for a NA regional server, it makes the most sense to move to one as well if you playing during the NA primetime hours.

I know you are asking about what will happen to version 1.0 characters, but we're currently working on finalizing the plans and will need to wait until it has been decided on before we can share details. Once that's done, we'll be sure to let you know.

As for server transfers in general, we are planning to implement the ability to change servers and we'll share more information as soon as it becomes available.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I know you are asking about what will happen to version 1.0 characters, but we're currently working on finalizing the plans and will need to wait until it has been decided on before we can share details. Once that's done, we'll be sure to let you know.

As for server transfers in general, we are planning to implement the ability to change servers and we'll share more information as soon as it becomes available.

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So its kind of like the merge, where you can pick where you go before the game is actually released?

THey'll be hacking 000's of gil amounts any way, and probably hacking more based on economy if you choose to transfer.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

THey'll be hacking 000's of gil amounts any way, and probably hacking more based on economy if you choose to transfer.

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ya i don't see that happening :) if they take anymore gil everyone would have noting lol

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Originally Posted by Zumi

So its kind of like the merge, where you can pick where you go before the game is actually released?

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The server transfer part was separate from the v1.0 characters part, and nowhere was even a hint of "before release". We can hope, but he didn't say anything like that.

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

The server transfer part was separate from the v1.0 characters part, and nowhere was even a hint of "before release". We can hope, but he didn't say anything like that.

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Will i think they said that where you pick in beta4 is where you be at release so that like playing before release. They also said they want to give 1.0 players a chance to play the game before release itself so make sense that they give us a full beta to play with the game and get to pick a world.

but seeing how they not have made up there minds and waiting to see how many 1.0 players return i don't see a real answer to at least beta 2/3.

a Hope for early server transfer during the launch, will there be one? :P

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

a Hope for early server transfer during the launch, will there be one? :P

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Will once they get the information they need on how many players returning to ffxiv. yoshi-p want to allow us early access and he hint at allowing us to play beta4 like normal game. meaning anything done in beta4 would be save so w/e world your linkshell pick and you enter that in beta would be what you stay at release. But there other ways they could do it but early access would make sense being beta4.

that something yoshi-p have hint on idea he want to do

i dont think Beta 4 will be early access. because if anything good, they will have an early access between beta 4 and release.

So Beta 4 progress wont be save, but character data will be.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

i dont think Beta 4 will be early access. because if anything good, they will have an early access between beta 4 and release.

So Beta 4 progress wont be save, but character data will be.

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Not saying that what there doing it just something i remember yoshi-p saying. Like i said there other ways he can go about this but allowing us 1.0 chars to play a the full amount of beta4 to find a world we like to go too and starting everything up seem like a good idea to me.

Or at least 1-2week early access once beta start but he can just say forget that and tell us to do that at release which i be fine with it as long as he give us the world names and such.