ARR Gil Cap Reduction

I'm going to invest all my gil in cotton cloth. Half the server will be levelling Arcanist when the server goes live and they'll need gear.

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Originally Posted by Kestiel

After seeing the responses I'm a bit surprised, though my rational mind says I shouldn't be. Regardless of what side you fall on (over 99m, under 99m) you have to see how unfair this is. Disregarding emotional filters and personal feelings; objectively people must know this is unfair and wrong.

Now if they were to divide everybody's gil by a tenth, then that's fair. Somebody with 500m will have 50m, a person with 15m will have 1.5m, and somebody with 200k will have 20k. Adjust the gil rewards from quests/leves/etc. and the inflation is practically gone. If you split up 300m across three retainers, you still end up having only 30m at the end of the day, so it's fair and nobody can squirrel away their gil hoping to circumvent this horribly unfair cap.

If the cap is reduced from 999m to 99m, it stands to reason anybody with over 99m will walk into ARR with 99,999,999gil and not 102,000,000 or whatever they might have. I understand why this is necessary, inflation is ridiculous and in need of a fix. But just capping peoples gil, in effect deleting hard work and hours upon hours players put into their character, will do little to nothing to help in the long-run. However, lowering everybody's gil by a tenth as somebody suggested earlier would equalize gil to a lower level while allowing the same 99m cap to remain and combating inflation effectively as they can at this point.

A person with capped gil now, will have capped gil in ARR (999m -> 99m). That way gil that exists will be more valuable, lowering inflation by a massive margin and causing people to be completely confused how to price things, but eventually the prices will stabilize or people will just take a tenth off. A 1.2m mailbreaker ends up being 120k and still retains the same margin of profit / value it currently does (assuming prices are also decreased by a tenth, if they end up more/less that skews things a bit). Each gil becomes more valuable and therefore we're just removing a zero and curbing the inevitable "big numbers" we're seeing now. For those of you from FFXI, the prices of various things would likely look far more familiar.

Most players with 300m+ will likely just buy more characters before the 30th cut-off and then they'll be able to stash their money and when the time comes, they will have the capital to buy everything up for a drastic reduction in price yet their buying power won't be diminished at all, leading to a harshly lopsided economy. Herein lies the truth; if SE does this it won’t fix things. It will fix practically nothing.

Anybody with a lot of money will get more characters and stash the money away. When ARR comes they’ll still have 300, 500, 700 million gil and since many of them are likely legacy they’ll easily be able to keep the new bank-mules at no cost to themselves. People will figure a way around this, it’s in our nature and it really would further hurt the economy.

The buying power of these people will increase, while some of you may extol the benefits of knocking these millionaires down a few notches, you fail to realize anybody who has that sort of money will still have that money, if all they do is cap gil at 99m it won’t do anything. They’ll just have several characters full of 99m, with everything costing drastically less; they can buy whatever they want for an incredibly long time without worrying about spending any gil. If getting 7/7 relics on average costs ~150m, and after ARR it costs ~15-20m, they make out like bandits and contribute a fraction to the economy that they would have before.

The players that I know that have over 100m are all those who spend a great deal of time crafting, creating goods for the market; in essence these people consider themselves too busy to go mine. They are the ones buying 10+ stacks of darksteel ore, gold ore and other raw mats that people gather. They, in turn, produce finished goods from these raw mats, which sell to people who are in need of finished goods, whether to meld, to have or for relic. The reason 'why' doesn't matter, what do you think will happen if their gil is reduced to 99m and they're capped? If they can't shuffle it off onto a retainer, why would they bother making anything more? Most of them wouldn’t, there’s nothing for them to gain from it.

These people are consummate crafters and some like to treat the AH/MW like the stocks (they buy low, and then sell high on various materials). What happens when the main producers of goods stop making them? Consider the ramifications for a moment.

Miners won’t have as many buyers. They make less money, in return more miners begin to flood the market with raw goods, the reason is two-fold; firstly, they cannot get people to buy and while they and others mine at their usual rate the wards/AH accumulate with goods that have gone unsold, secondly the more that get put up the more undercutting begins to sell anything at all, this lowers the price on goods many average players could count on for gil.

Normally, this leads to more undercutting down the line now that a crafter’s profit margin is larger, they can afford to try and sell faster by undercutting, and the buyer is the one who prospers from lower prices. But in this scenario, there aren’t as many people making these items, so the few that do get made have less competition, in turn people have to pay more and put up with shortages of items (keep in mind the population is very likely to rise, the majority of them won’t have the ability to craft these items for quite a while). This leads to an overall detriment to the player.

If you can’t make money from materia, from crafting, then what would you do? The most occurring answer would be, “nothing, I’ll just enjoy the game.” Which would be well and properly right, but the economy would suffer for it. With so many new crafters and new players the opposite of what we have now would likely come into play, a lopsided shift in item availability. High-end items for capped players would dry up without those to produce them and newer crafters who can’t HQ as easily or can’t make the higher level goods will focus on lower levels.

Miners and procurers of raw goods will see this, and follow the trend by supplying lower-end materials since they sell faster, this will speed up the atrophy of top-end gear and items. If you’ve ever played any MMO where it was easy to get items for yourself while you leveled, and then suddenly at cap you’re gouged for the few items on the market, you’ll understand the potential severity of this issue.

You might say, “But, why don’t they just spend their gil before ARR, or buy stuff after ARR comes out to be able to make gil again?”

A lot of people in this situation already have what they want, they have the gear, the melds and the jobs/classes leveled with nothing to really spend on. They might not want Relics, or that super-rare 4x meld t4 STR gloves (which may or may not take them over-cap and be less useful).

That’s how a lot of these people got the money they have, being frugal or only buying what they needed, or even making what they needed for cheap. Nobody knows what will be for sale after ARR so that’s a question that can’t reliably be answered from either camp. Even still, having to spend gil so you can get cap again seems silly at best.

Now, nobody can truly know what will happen, all my postulation is based on my own educated guesses. I’m not saying this will definitively happen, but I believe it has a markedly high probability if they just cap gil at 99m and do little else. It’s a band-aid over a gut wound that will slowly infect and turn gangrene. I sincerely hope they have some additional answer that I’ve yet to see or that they change their minds and implement a proper adjustment that is fair to all parties. This is just food for thought, or rather, a full three-course dinner due to its length.

TL;DR – This is a poor adjustment, it fixes nothing while attempting to penalize players who have worked hard to amass gil. There are many reasons why somebody wouldn’t spend their gil, and in the end it’s their money to do with as they wish (like saving it). If it’s to thwart RMT; they’ll just find another loophole or glitch and get it all back anyways, the only ‘proven’ method against RMT is constant vigilance.

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Dude they aren't decreasing your gil by 10%. They are lowing the max gil cap. you can only hold 99m instead of 999m. The only way you would lose gil is if you have over 99m, but you can prepare for that if you do by shifting that off to alts.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Dude they aren't decreasing your gil by 10%. They are lowing the max gil cap. you can only hold 99m instead of 999m. The only way you would lose gil is if you have over 99m, but you can prepare for that if you do by shifting that off to alts.

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Lol did you even read what he said at the first part or at all lol?

This thread is full of pointless.

if you have over 100 items in your inventory, the excess gets placed onto the NPCs that handle the transfer of items from one version to the next, wouldn't logic suggest that gil will be the same?

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Originally Posted by Tatsuguy

Lol did you even read what he said at the first part or at all lol?

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<_< Clearly they didn't. I pretty specifically covered that and why it's bad. Though I do appreciate that other people possess the cognitive faculties for reading comprehension and the temperament to read through multiple paragraphs!

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

if you have over 100 items in your inventory, the excess gets placed onto the NPCs that handle the transfer of items from one version to the next, wouldn't logic suggest that gil will be the same?

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Not if the new cap is 99m, it'd completely ruin the point of combating inflation too. Everybody would have the same exact gil, nothing would really battle inflation, sans anything selling for over 100m. Logic would dictate that they wouldn't do that because it doesn't fix or even attempt to fix anything. You'd just go to that NPC whenever you went under 99m and withdraw more until whenever the NPC disappears I guess.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Bayohne's translation is confusing because it begins with "No, there won't be a gil wipe". I consider losing hundreds of millions to be a gil wipe. I'm more inclined to believe it's a mis-translation and we'll be divided by 10. They do this kind of thing in the real world too, it's called redenomination. Look at Zimbabwe for a recent example.

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Redenomination is exactly what it said in Japanese, as a matter of fact. Why Bayone chose to ignore the word in the English version is beyond me.

Bump for interest in a dev clarification...

http://i.imgur.com/uWrwY.jpg

the rest of the money would be in the npc duh -.- when you have room you can pick up the rest just put the rest in a mule or something lol.

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Originally Posted by lordvr

Redenomination is exactly what it said in Japanese, as a matter of fact. Why Bayone chose to ignore the word in the English version is beyond me.

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yes perhaps they are rethinking this and that is the cause for their delay in clarifying, or it could just be SE being SE

It has no sense to let players stay with 99 millions with them (even if they had 999m) because they are reducing the prices of everything by 1 digit, so, they have to do the same to the players. Just think about it, If they reduce all the prices by 1 digit, because they are making money more difficult to get (probably) and want millions matter more and they also want new and old players to be balanced, it is obvious that they have to reduce the amount of money old players have 1/10. if they don't do so, it would mean that old players would be able to get everything cheaper and easily in comparison with new players, and items made by players would still be way too expensive. I don't think they are gonna do that...

Eat the Rich!

Eat the Rich!

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Originally Posted by Ferth

Reading rein's translation it seemed to imply that everyone would just have a tenth of their total gil in 2.0 As has been mentioned earlier that means that if you have 150,000,000 you would drop down to 15,000,000 or if you had 1,000 you'd end up with 100.

The other people who made this assumption seem to have been shot down, though honestly it makes FAR MORE sense than saying everyone over cap will be capped and everyone else will stay where they are. Basically it would just be a worlds wide readjustment to the value of each individual gil. (reducing 90% of the amount of gil in the game OVERALL thus making everyone's gil worth more, the rich would stay JUST AS RICH, the poor would still be JUST AS POOR, the only thing that would change is the exact number everyone has in their inventory.)

Clarification is most certainly needed here, but hopefully that will come with the official translation. (Though sooner certainly wouldn't hurt matters.)

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Agree with this. It makes more sense when all price/gil on PC and NPC is reduced to 10% of the current value. Fair to all PC and NPC. It will be unfair if PC's gil value does not change while the price on NPC is lowered.

Irony is i've been saving my gil for ARR. ...
but i'll go with that spread it out on multiple characters thing.
Also, gils still gonna inflate again.
This is like telling us there's a new currency being made to fix rapid inflation and our dollar is now worth only ten cents. ... but i think Gath's is probably still worth more.

Originally Posted by Bayohne


Q: Will you wipe gil from our characters or change the currency with the launch of ARR?

A: No, there won't be a gil wipe. However, we do currently have plans to decrease the max digit by 1 (999,999,999 > 99,999,999)


Where does it say we will lose 90 percent of our gil?

Items in-game work like stocks or precious metals irl. If you want to keep your money, then just buy a lot of an item that is likely to sell a lot eg. crystals, ingots, anything that's a mat for ammunition. It can be a pain in the ass to sell back but you can also make more money than you had originally off of it.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

Originally Posted by Bayohne


Q: Will you wipe gil from our characters or change the currency with the launch of ARR?

A: No, there won't be a gil wipe. However, we do currently have plans to decrease the max digit by 1 (999,999,999 > 99,999,999)


Where does it say we will lose 90 percent of our gil?

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See that's the problem. Bayohne's translation doesn't say it, but other people who speak japanese and english seem to think Yoshi-p said redenomination rather than just a lowering of the gil cap.

Bayohne's translation was pretty rushed and he was probably worried more about getting it up quickly than getting it up right, he could very well be the one who got it wrong.

That's why we're asking for clarification. Because one way makes sense and is fair for everyone. The other way is massively stupid and won't actually address the problem of inflated currency.

A revaluation of currency might be ok at the start but if SE is still planning on a free market economy then they will have problems in the future. People will still charge what the market will bear. As new high level items and gear appear accounts will be wiped in 1 or 2 transactions. There will always be idiots with more money then brains to buy things. The only way SE can control this is to place price limits on items and, IMO, that would destroy the economic system completely. SE needs to rethink this. The best way to do this is to adjust the methods for earning Gil to bring it more in line with what they want.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Bayohne's translation is confusing because it begins with "No, there won't be a gil wipe". I consider losing hundreds of millions to be a gil wipe. I'm more inclined to believe it's a mis-translation and we'll be divided by 10. They do this kind of thing in the real world too, it's called redenomination. Look at Zimbabwe for a recent example.

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Yup, that's a disguised gil wipe if they do change our gil by 1 digit as well. If they really wanted to fix the economy to keep prices reasonable, they would fix the rate at which we can get items - drop/spiritbound/everything else.

I'm sure the psychological effect of going from a double/triple digit in your gil bank to a single/double alone will make some people quit. Then, if they don't fix the rate at which we can get items and the price of some items still skyrocket (materia needed for Relics as example) will make the other bunch quit. I will for sure.:mad:

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

Yup, that's a disguised gil wipe if they do change our gil by 1 digit as well. If they really wanted to fix the economy to keep prices reasonable, they would fix the rate at which we can get items - drop/spiritbound/everything else.

I'm sure the psychological effect of going from a double/triple digit in your gil bank to a single/double alone will make some people quit. Then, if they don't fix the rate at which we can get items and the price of some items still skyrocket (materia needed for Relics as example) will make the other bunch quit. I will for sure.:mad:

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I agree...this isn't something they can just "fix" plans should have been implemented long ago to take care of this...what about my progress on my currency achievements????

They only said that the cap would be lowered. What would be the point of lowering everybody's gil anyway? beside pissing people off.. Someone said it would be fair to new players but they're making brand new servers so that's not a valid point. I see it being useful for when they re-release the game. RMTs won't be able to hold as much gil, so they can't "save up for 2.0" (like some players said they're doing -_- ) so there won't be a big amount of gil exchanged back into the game in a short amount of time. But other than that, they can just lower gil rewards and npc costs to fix the amount of gil in the game, no need to take anybody's gil

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Originally Posted by CrystalW

They only said that the cap would be lowered. What would be the point of lowering everybody's gil anyway? beside pissing people off.. Someone said it would be fair to new players but they're making brand new servers so that's not a valid point. I see it being useful for when they re-release the game. RMTs won't be able to hold as much gil, so they can't "save up for 2.0" (like some players said they're doing -_- ) so there won't be a big amount of gil exchanged back into the game in a short amount of time. But other than that, they can just lower gil rewards and npc costs to fix the amount of gil in the game, no need to take anybody's gil

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But there is a need to take it. I don't think people understand the underlying issue. Gil comes from somewhere. People don't just have it. Whether it be from vendoring items, obtaining it from quests, or getting it from leves and mob drops. It comes from somewhere.

That being said, leves gave an incredible amount of gil at the release of the game. Upwards of 20k+ for a normal leve in some cases. A few months in they reduced this, but the damage had already been done and the market had been saturated with a huge amount of gil. Given there are so few gil sinks, that gil has been floating around and has kept the economy inflated.

What they plan on doing here is reducing that inflation. By removing the hundreds of millions of excess gil, it will generally drive prices down to a reasonable level within what is obtainable in the new version of the game via normal means accessible to your average player.

But in the end, there are more than a few ways of spreading your wealth around as to not lose it all. People are completely over reacting.

If SE plan content right people with high gil will spread their wealth around. The relic quest is a good example. If I were able to get past hamlet I'd be spending 25mil on a double melded weapon or 25mil worth of materia and materials to produce it myself. It's just too time consuming to SB the materia myself. So if I want a relic I have to spread my wealth. I may also have to do the same with hamlets, spending around 50mil on the mats to obtain top provisioner. The game needs more content to make me spend gil, not less gil in my pocket. If there's less gil in my pocket I'm more likely to do things myself the hard/long way,

Frustration like this really does make people want to quit.

Can we PLEASE get clarification. Dev says no wipe, other translations say redenomination. This really needs to be addressed ^^;

The main reason for this is so that starting players can get a reasonable amount of gold without using the market at the start. That's why starter gear is currently placed at unreasonable prices. All that gear that you see that is level 15 that sells for 30k in the market wards will drop down to 3k. That gear that you see from NPCs that sell for 52k will drop to 5.2k.

Splitting your money between characters won't do anything. Even if you split it 99,999,999 x3, it will just drop down to 9,999,999 in each character. Some people may not like it because it doesn't affect them directly, but if new players find the economy to be as inflated as it is now the outcome will fare far worse. However as people have already mentioned, unless they add more effective gil sinks nothing is going to change in the long run.

Thesis statement is simply this: Dividing everyone's total Gil by 10 will hurt the savers WAY more than the spenders (or nonsavers).

Consider two players moving to ARR. One currently has 500 million and will arrive in ARR with 50 million. The other currently has 200k and will move to ARR with 20k. The first will lose a total of 450 million and the second will lose a total of 180k. Ask yourselves this, how much time was invested in the 450 million, and how much time was invested in the 180k??? It should be obvious the 450 million loss represents a vast amount more in time, industriousness, and ingenuity.

It might be fine if ARR could guarantee a "perfect" communist system with "perfect" top down control. Such a system has never been made in the history of the real world nor the virtual world. Cost of production nor produce could be guaranteed to remain at 10% of current cost at the inception of ARR. Nor could inflation to the cost of production and produce be guaranteed to match the inflation of the total economy.

Why I think inflation to the cost of production and produce will outpace inflation of the total economy? Simply supply and demand. Many will be coming back to ARR and will have demand for "stuff". There should also be many new players with a demand for "stuff" as well. They supply of "stuff" will most definitely not meet the demand. Also, the best "stuff" will always cost a ton because someone will generally always be willing to pay the price to own the best stuff.

As inflation to the cost of production rises, the player with 50 million now will fast be unable to trade their compensation of time, industriousness, and ingenuity for the same products as they can in the current system. The player whose compensation amounts to 20k is much closer to trading their savings for the same thing they currently can.

Wealth must be measured by what goods and services one can trade for. Wealth cannot simply be defined by a # of Gil attached to your name. The saver's total wealth will decrease more and faster than the spender's would if everyone's # was divided by 10...

Now consider that leveling the playing field is the intended effect. Those who invested more time, industriousness, and ingenuity, and saved, are suddenly penalized much more in respect to the nonsavers, as they enter ARR. Whether you agree this should happen or not is one thing, but we must begin by being honest with ourselves... I do take liberty with the assumption that costs will not be impacted by the same 10% that current wealth and savings would. There could be disagreement there as well...

It seems pretty clear to me that the max amount of gil a player can carry will be changed to 99,999,999, (not reducing everyone's total gil by a digit) which won't affect most players. I have never heard of someone having that much gil. If you do, it just sounds like you are up to something shady IMO. Unless it's a LS gil bank or something. In which case, just get it some retainers or another mule to put gil in and problem solved.

I'd like clarification as well, but alas, it's Saturday.
I think we may have to wait until Monday.

I understand that my huge wall of text posts are intimidating... but if you can't take the time to read them then I really don't know how to argue the standpoint.

If it is a redenomination of gil NO ONE SUFFERS. The only downside is the effect of looking at your gil and what used to be 7 digits is now 6. It would be like if you kept all of your money in dollar bills under your bed. Then one day you decided to convert all those dollar bills into ten dollar bills. You'd have exactly the same amount of money, you'd just have far fewer actual pieces of paper under your bed.

If this is an actual, thorough redenomination then it's not just your gil that gets condensed, things that you used to be able to vendor for 400 now will vendor for 40, things that used to cost 12000 at the vendor now will cost 1200. Theoretically this change would transfer to the market wards as well. A 75,000gil cobalt winglet becomes a 7500 gil cobalt winglet. the VALUE of items would not shift, just the denomination of gil required to purchase it.

Arguably this is a change that doesn't need to be made, since the only thing it is doing is making the numbers everyone uses smaller. Though in the long run it will allow the overall economy to start in a better place in 2.0.

One would hope that this change is also tied to a complete overhaul in how gil is obtained and introduced into the economy in 2.0 (because frankly, gil is stupid easy to get right now.)

If money is less easy to introduce into the economy from thin air (via vendoring garbage) then prices for items will fluctuate less based on the amount of gil in the game and more on the supply and demand for a given item.

THIS IS A GOOD THING.

If all they are doing is lowering the maximum amount of gil a single person can hold then nothing changes, it fixes nothing, and it's a huge waste of time and energy.

Frankly, the only thing I can say at this point, is if you think that JUST lowering the cap is preferable to redenomination then you just aren't understanding what either option accomplishes.

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Originally Posted by Resheph

It seems pretty clear to me that the max amount of gil a player can carry will be changed to 99,999,999, (not reducing everyone's total gil by a digit) which won't affect most players. I have never heard of someone having that much gil. If you do, it just sounds like you are up to something shady IMO. Unless it's a LS gil bank or something. In which case, just get it some retainers or another mule to put gil in and problem solved.

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You make more money then I ever could so you must be up to something! Wat.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Think there are two interpretations so far:

1. New "max" gil cap is being reduced by 1 digit, right now it's 999,999,999 which will bring it to 99,999,999. This would only affect people that are above the gil cap directly. This is the interpretation from Bayohne's post.

2. Cutting a digit off from the end would affect everyone directly. Relative fortune would still be the same since everyone is getting a digit knocked off not only the people who are above the "new cap." For this to work everything in the game should have a digit cut off. Basically, this just makes numbers smaller and nothing really changes. This interpretation lends itself to the translation where YoshiP explains that things will get "cheaper."



Translation Doc

The confusion is between which is the actual case.

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While 2 would make more sense, when in ARR new rare items are introduced, it's hard to think people will sell them for how much they would sell them now / 10.
1 is without sense.

I really hope SE reconsider this. This is a stupid change.

Why don't they just take the surplus gil from everyone who's 100+M, and spread it out evenly amongst all Legacy players who are under 100M, starting with the poorest... YES! DO THAT SE! GO GO!

They just don't want people to buy all the new 2.0 stuff like furnishings for the mog house, etc, on the first day

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Originally Posted by Ricky

They just don't want people to buy all the new 2.0 stuff like furnishings for the mog house, etc, on the first day

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Actually my guess is that this change is more directed to the new players. when they are trying to save up for new gear they will be far less intimidated if an item costs 2500 than if it costs 25000.

The thing that is mostly likely to occur with redenomination is the lowest tier of items is going to actually go up in price on the player driven market, which theoretically should reduce the amount of items people sell to vendors and increase the reliance on other players to make an income.

With more people relying on other people for money it will drop off the amount of inflation we should experience and it would allow the player driven economy to be much more stable. Which should potentially allow newer players to want to access it sooner.

Sorry but your guess is wrong inflation will still occur and If you think that people with a large bank are the people making low level gear to make gil, you're living in a world full of Teletubbies.. to fix the price of an item, one thing that has worked in the past is to add a NPC selling these items for a reasonable price... it will also help new players make gil by buying from the NPC for cheap and resell them on the will-be-in-v2.0 AH with an extra to other new players.

Also since seems like there's a bunch of people without much gil who seem happy and tell those with large banks to basically SFTU it's good for your face. One thing these people don't seem to understand is that those with the large bank are the people running the economy, not the people with little gil who put junk items at a high price... And they're the people who will buy the overpriced junk items/mats new players will sell at the AH, not the other legacy players with little gil who overprice mats/junk items.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

Sorry but your guess is wrong inflation will still occur and If you think that people with a large bank are the people making low level gear to make gil, you're living in a world full of Teletubbies.. to fix the price of an item, one thing that has worked in the past is to add a NPC selling these items for a reasonable price... it will also help new players make gil by buying from the NPC for cheap and resell them on the will-be-in-v2.0 AH with an extra to other new players.

Also since seems like there's a bunch of people without much gil who seem happy and tell those with large banks to basically SFTU it's good for your face. One thing these people don't seem to understand is that those with the large bank are the people running the economy, not the people with little gil who put junk items at a high price... And they're the people who will buy the overpriced junk items/mats new players will sell at the AH, not the other legacy players with little gil who overprice mats/junk items.

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Nothing you said pertains to anything I have said. I never said people with a lot of money were the people making low level gear, I never said inflation wouldn't occur and basically it sounds like everything you've said puts you in the standpoint I'm at. I was just making a guess as to why they'd do this, and that guess was that they'd probably want the in game economy to be in a more standardized place for newer players.

I'm tired and I misread, and I answered more the junk some people wrote than your post, my bad. removing the quote since he doesn't reply to your post specifically. But then re reading what you wrote, if it's hard to make gil to buy an item that's 25000, it will be even harder to make gil if everything sells for much less. Even if the item you want is 10x less expensive. They're just shooting themselves in the foot if they reduce everyone's gil by x10.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

I'm tired and I misread, and I answered more the junk some people wrote than your post, my bad. removing the quote since he doesn't reply to your post specifically. But then re reading what you wrote, if it's hard to make gil to buy an item that's 25000, it will be even harder to make gil if everything sells for much less. Even if the item you want is 10x less expensive. They're just shooting themselves in the foot if they reduce everyone's gil by x10.

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The change will largely be a psychological one. Which is why the whole notion is rather silly. Which is why we really need better than the information we have.