Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Nah, I haven't had the desire to waste my money on FFVII expanded universe content.

Particularly not FFVII Re-Milk the Fanboys.

Wake me up when they remake 9 or actually give us an FFVI port that does the SNES version proper justice.

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So you're just talking out your ass because your only frame of reference is from 27 years ago. got it.

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Originally Posted by Karious

"Noooo! Someone has a different viewpoint or way of life than me! This is unacceptable and I must harass them for living differently than me!"
Be more inclusive. Be better. Educate yourself on how diverse people are.

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honey. i do not have to be inclusive towards bigots.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

So you're just talking out your ass because your only frame of reference is from 27 years ago. got it.

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If he played it you'd say he was hate-playing. Moreover why would anyone with a functional brain spend money on something they don't expect to enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Karious

"Noooo! Someone has a different viewpoint or way of life than me! This is unacceptable and I must harass them for living differently than me!"
Be more inclusive. Be better. Educate yourself on how diverse people are.

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The good old "You need to be welcoming, inclusive and understand/accept people's opinions" point of view

but when they dont agree with it

"OK but not THAT opinion !"

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

honey. i do not have to be inclusive towards bigots.

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You dont know what that word means.

In before inevitable thread closure.

OP is probably a troll since the series is famous/infamous even among people who don't play FF for being populated by pretty boys and the super flamboyant Amano art which has been with the series since its third entry in the west. There's no way they don't know that if they had played all the games they claim.

Plus this game itself has had freaking Jandelaine and Haurchefant for over a decade now.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

In before inevitable thread closure.

OP is probably a troll since the series is famous/infamous even among people who don't play FF for being populated by pretty boys and the super flamboyant Amano art which has been with the series since its third entry in the west. There's no way they don't know that if they had played all the games they claim.

Plus this game itself has had freaking Jandelaine and Haurchefant for over a decade now.

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Especially Jandelaine.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

In before inevitable thread closure.

OP is probably a troll since the series is famous/infamous even among people who don't play FF for being populated by pretty boys and the super flamboyant Amano art which has been with the series since its third entry in the west. There's no way they don't know that if they had played all the games they claim.

Plus this game itself has had freaking Jandelaine and Haurchefant for over a decade now.

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When literally every post someone has made is a culture war post, yea, it's safe to say they're not to be taken seriously.

Final Fantasy has always had questionable crossdressing pretty boys, strong female characters, diverse casts of characters and somehow none of it was ever a problem in the past.

Gamers have become such whiny snowflakes nowadays, it's tiresome

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Originally Posted by Pepperblue

Final Fantasy has always had questionable crossdressing pretty boys, strong female characters, diverse casts of characters and somehow none of it was ever a problem in the past.

Gamers have become such whiny snowflakes nowadays, it's tiresome

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It only became a problem when activists refused to acknowledge them and kept asking for them...

Even the most popular game in franchise, FF7, it's always had Tifa and Barret. "But where are all the strong female character and Black people?!"

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

On another note, some other poster in the thread made the assertion that the Amano "concept" art has featured Bishounen and Biseinen boys forever, and while that's partially true, it doesn't take into consideration that his artwork didn't come with the games commonly on the stateside until Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy VI's artwork was actually based off of the in game sprites not the other way round, so his art isn't even always the original concept. It's just that his art is heavily intertwined with the games, as the devs for the series have wanted it to be.

So the first Amano art to show up with a game state side was in the FFVI instruction booklet for the then titled Final Fantasy III on the Super Nintendo, and there was a lot greater variety to the characters. Like Gau isn't androgynous or bishi. Sabin(Mash) is muscular in the extreme, to the point of looking dopey in one art and then looking somewhat rough but debonair on the same page. Locke is as close as a Final Fantasy character gets to being androgynous until the playstation era, really.

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Dude. FFVI was only the third FF game stateside. That's only 2 games in the US not being initially released with Amano artwork. And the Playstation Era was literally the next game after that.

You're also leaving out all the bishi guys with long-flowing ponytails: Edgar, Setzer, and Kefka. Also, the character portraits in-game used the Amano art and Locke's subsequent appearances in 3D are based off his Amano art.

This...this turned into a massive fire, fast. The OP is probably long gone by now, and all this arguing isn't doing anyone any favors or moving things forward. If anything, please everyone, take a breath and please relax. We're here for a video game, yes? Then let's discuss the game, pros and cons. This thread needs to be closed so we can all move on and discuss other things.

I really hate the wokeness trend in video games. It has been a thorn in my side. That being said. When it comes to FFXIV I honestly do not give a flying French fry. I have played FFXIV for 15 years now, and it is my game. My one escape. IDC if they add wokeness, members of the alphabet gang, idc. In MMOs you have the ability to simply not interact with the content you do not like. It is a safe space for all types of people, regardless of your background, affiliation, religion, country, race, and anything else. This game has helped me change how I see the world. I used to be super intolerant to people who where not hetero-sexual, (something I am not proud of). While playing FFXIV I met a cool dude, and we played together for several years, and during a random night of hanging out, he told me about problems he was having with his husband. I was super stunned to find out he was gay, (it simply never came up). I realized from that point, that it didn't matter. It was irrelevant, and stupid to dislike people on stuff that had not effect on you, or that they could not control. I love this game. If something in the game bothers you, then leave. We won't notice you going, and we don't care. This is our world, our safe place. It becomes even more safe when you leave and take your negative views with you. Thank you for coming to my ted-talk.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

If he played it you'd say he was hate-playing. Moreover why would anyone with a functional brain spend money on something they don't expect to enjoy?

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no i'd say he was deliberately ignoring something the devs point out to the player and is using a game from almost 3 decades ago to make a bad argument despite the fact that the devs from the original game, are also the devs working on the remake.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

The good old "You need to be welcoming, inclusive and understand/accept people's opinions" point of view

but when they dont agree with it

"OK but not THAT opinion !"



You dont know what that word means.

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oh bless your fragile little heart. being inclusive does not mean accepting divisive or outright hateful people. you don't get to be a hatemonger and then act like it's not inclusive when we tell you to pound sand. the argument alone is being made in bad faith.

You don't need me to do that, you'll obviously make up any excuse all on your own.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

I sincerely hope yall understand that with the backlash you are giving OP, you are proving his point.

Nothing else to say.

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It's not hypocritical to say that no one is important enough to turn a forum into their personal blog , places like Tumblr or blogspot is better for that, here it's just frivolous

Time and place

FYI, the word bigotry can apply to both sides


bigotry
noun [ U ] disapproving
the fact of having and expressing strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life

Making up a stupid scenario and then pretending to be mad about it is fun

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...7NX/giphy.webp

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Easiest way not to be taken seriously is to use "woke" or "wokeness" unironically.

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Hate the labels for being overused if you must (I'm a bit annoyed myself), but it's a very real and often very detrimental thing.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

DEI itself is a term propped up by right-wing grifters and racists, and the fact that it became part of the conversation is a victory for them.

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Again, DEI is a very real term used by very real companies and they work exactly as "muh grifters" describe. It's easy to find on corporate websites, watch conferences about it, etc. They even have figured out the term is poison so they're preparing for a rebrand soon.

I hope someone "grifts" this thread on a youtube video or something. That would be fun.

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Originally Posted by SamuraiMiqo

This...this turned into a massive fire, fast. The OP is probably long gone by now, and all this arguing isn't doing anyone any favors or moving things forward. If anything, please everyone, take a breath and please relax. We're here for a video game, yes? Then let's discuss the game, pros and cons. This thread needs to be closed so we can all move on and discuss other things.

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Nope, still here and checking in--just a little preoccupied with sleep and spending a Saturday morning with the family. Also, this wasn't a bait post, just an honest expression of sadness for the state of FF and SE in general from a pretty serious fan.

DEI most definitely is not a term made by people commenting on how racist and sexist it is. And also if you like it, go ahead and support it more. I personally don't want another DT and I am only considering staying subbed because of gameplay (on everything except Healers).

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Originally Posted by 4clubbedace

It's not hypocritical to say that no one is important enough to turn a forum into their personal blog , places like Tumblr or blogspot is better for that, here it's just frivolous

Time and place

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Considering that the forums is where we're "supposed" to leave any and all feedback, one could argue that a post like this might be appropriate as feedback for why OP is (allegedly) unsubbing.
Wokeness and social commentary nonsense aside, I'm not really sure why it belongs in our video games to begin with anyway. I play FFXIV to immerse myself in a world that *isn't* the actual one I live in - the modern culture war does not and should not exist for me or anyone else when we're in game. I don't care what you believe, I don't care what your lived experience is and I don't care if you're LGBTQ or on the opposite side of the fence. I see an avatar of a humanoid playing a class and I care far more that that can play said class.

It's kinda sad to see this sort of virtriolic back and forth showing up in everything. Final Fantasy XIV is for fans of Final Fantasy XIV, no political side or argument has ownership of it. If y'all could get back to moaning about the VPR changes, that'd put us back on track.

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Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR

See title.

• Bought FFI for NES as a kid.
• Bought a Playstation in college just to play FF VII.
• Played both FFXI and FFXIV at NA launch.
• Own all FF main series games and most spinoffs up to and including the PS4, CIB, (including original Japanese FC and SFC games).
• Stopped playing new FF games after playing FFXV, when the series turned into DMC/Souls-like fast-twitch-based games.
• Discontinued FFXIV subscription and will not be purchasing the upcoming Dragon Quest remasters or Sieken Densetsu due to EXTREMELY poor wiring in DT, as well as Western wokeness and DEI infesting SE corporation-wide.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi..._IV_Ending.png
~fin~

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Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Originally Posted by SlickPaws

Considering that the forums is where we're "supposed" to leave any and all feedback, one could argue that a post like this might be appropriate as feedback for why OP is (allegedly) unsubbing.
Wokeness and social commentary nonsense aside, I'm not really sure why it belongs in our video games to begin with anyway. I play FFXIV to immerse myself in a world that *isn't* the actual one I live in - the modern culture war does not and should not exist for me or anyone else when we're in game. I don't care what you believe, I don't care what your lived experience is and I don't care if you're LGBTQ or on the opposite side of the fence. I see an avatar of a humanoid playing a class and I care far more that that can play said class.

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No one could not argue that. OP hasn't even given any examples in the thread for unsubbing except for one person in another game that looked kinda non-binary? Great feedback send that over to YoshiP ASAP.
It's a low effort troll post, only purpose of the thread is to laugh at people taking it seriously.

If you're only just now quitting over the game being woke, you either didn't actually pay attention to a lot of stuff in the game as well as outside or fell for grifters that are making being mad at the "woke" for financial profit. We literally had gay marriage in the game before it was legalized across the entirety of the US, there's been multiple canonical LGBT NPCs throughout the years, gender locked gear has being phased out for years so people can express themselves however they wish, etc. Did you know that there was official FF14 representation at a Pride parade one year?

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/blog/002680.html

Do you know that Square Enix has had a pride mascot for literal years at this point?

https://www.square-enix-games.com/en...2022-meet-mina
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en...e-korra-miguel
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/pride-2024
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en...rt-pride-month

So I mean, don't let the door hit you on the way out if it's suddenly a problem that Square Enix has been woke or whatever haha that's on you for not paying attention. I also hope you don't play on PS5 or Xbox because those companies always celebrate pride and have games with LGBT and female leads. Sony Japan was part of Tokyo Pride in 2023.

https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1649737179059621888

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Originally Posted by Tachion

No one could not argue that. OP hasn't even given any examples in the thread for unsubbing except for one person in another game that looked kinda non-binary? Great feedback send that over to YoshiP ASAP.
It's a low effort troll post, only purpose of the thread is to laugh at people taking it seriously.

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I didn't say it had to be good or constructive feedback. I was simply playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of "Why the hell are we arguing about wokeness in a game that has literal world ending magic?"

Average DT hater lol

An announcement of your departure was not necessary, but your departure is appreciated, regardless.

Noticed you said you played thru enough of DT to notice wokeness , however the character you are posting on is level 90 ...hmmm. Why don't you post on your main....since you quit anyways ......right...

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

What is "western wokeness"?

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I would describe it as people in different media who managed to 'industrialise' wokeness. and by wokeness I don't mean like being a decent human being, I mean the type of wokeness an extremist SJW would push. A good exemple would be the next assassin creed game. The series, while having some historical component in it, is heavely based on fiction. like, the over all plot is that two secret organisation of atlhetic time traveller fight over alien artifact to take control of the world. But then they announce their new game and proclaim that it will be grounded in reality, to a point that the game would let people learn about tje accurate history of Sengoku era japan. Then they present the 2 mc of the game and one them is a black samurai who's musical theme is mostly made of a hip hop. So, of course people where quick to point out that the ''historicaly accurate'' part went out the window quite fast. Now this story is long enought so I'll speed thing up a bit, Ubisoft claimed this was accurate cause this characther is Yasuke, an historical figure of japan who was well the first foreigner to become a samurai under Oda nobunaga rules. But turn out all this was a lie spread by a Woke european historian, who went to japan to study there and become a specialist in Japan history. Yasuke, in reality, was a slave. it just that the historian basicly created a theory/fanfiction about the possibility of Yasuke being well, a samurai hero. While he presented it as well, a theory/fanfiction in Japan, he sold his story as accurate historical fact to the western world. Now all this created a dramma where the Japaness gov in involved and probably suing this man soon and most likely restricting the Assassin creed game in japan.

Alright that was quite long, but what part of this is ''industrialised'' well it simple. Only a diehard fan or lore nerd of the series would have all the context I gave you about that whole thing. Most people who are going to play the game don't care that much about all that. So when those fan point out all of this, the creator can easily pull out the ''You're racist'' cards to deflect any complain about the game or it depiction and for the vast majority of people that all they see. So they create dramma around their game and use that to sell this to casual players all while having a free ''get out of jail'' cards in case the review ain't good or if anyone has any complain about the game really.

Anyway sorry for the long post. All that to say that um idk why people keep bringing ''wokeness'' into dawntrail. Clearly that ain't the issue with the MSQ and to me it seem that (thankfully) Sweet baby inc didn't touch dawntrail story or whatever people keep claiming.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Came to obvious bait thread just to say that Cloud crossdressing was actually just for shits and giggles. You know, for comedy.

Crossdressing has been in comedy for quite a while, and in the mid-late 90s to the early 2000s even, there were a lot of comedy shows/sketches/events that featured it.

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Just goes to show how long the agenda has been around.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

Noticed you said you played thru enough of DT to notice wokeness , however the character you are posting on is level 90 ...hmmm. Why don't you post on your main....since you quit anyways ......right...

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Nope. This is my main. I stopped playing DT after the first week or two. The last quest I remember doing in DT is the one where you're looking at pillars to ham-fistedly be forcefed exposition regarding the history of the island while dragging Wuk around the city. That was enough to stop my interest in the expansion. Since then, I've just been doing the daily and weekly Gold Saucer and bidding on house plots. The limited time I spent in DT was enough; honestly, just the initial cinematics and gameplay up to arriving at Tuliyollal was enough for me. I'll probably still continue at the Gold Saucer until my subscription ends. (I missed out on the FFXV car during the last event, so at least I'll have a decent amount of GS currency, should I decide to play again after the next expansion is released--buying a DT story skip, of course.)

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

I would describe it as people in different media who managed to 'industrialise' wokeness. and by wokeness I don't mean like being a decent human being, I mean the type of wokeness an extremist SJW would push. A good exemple would be the next assassin creed game. The series, while having some historical component in it, is heavely based on fiction. like, the over all plot is that two secret organisation of atlhetic time traveller fight over alien artifact to take control of the world. But then they announce their new game and proclaim that it will be grounded in reality, to a point that the game would let people learn about tje accurate history of Sengoku era japan. Then they present the 2 mc of the game and one them is a black samurai who's musical theme is mostly made of a hip hop. So, of course people where quick to point out that the ''historicaly accurate'' part went out the window quite fast. Now this story is long enought so I'll speed thing up a bit, Ubisoft claimed this was accurate cause this characther is Yasuke, an historical figure of japan who was well the first foreigner to become a samurai under Oda nobunaga rules. But turn out all this was a lie spread by a Woke european historian, who went to japan to study there and become a specialist in Japan history. Yasuke, in reality, was a slave. it just that the historian basicly created a theory/fanfiction about the possibility of Yasuke being well, a samurai hero. While he presented it as well, a theory/fanfiction in Japan, he sold his story as accurate historical fact to the western world. Now all this created a dramma where the Japaness gov in involved and probably suing this man soon and most likely restricting the Assassin creed game in japan.

Alright that was quite long, but what part of this is ''industrialised'' well it simple. Only a diehard fan or lore nerd of the series would have all the context I gave you about that whole thing. Most people who are going to play the game don't care that much about all that. So when those fan point out all of this, the creator can easily pull out the ''You're racist'' cards to deflect any complain about the game or it depiction and for the vast majority of people that all they see. So they create dramma around their game and use that to sell this to casual players all while having a free ''get out of jail'' cards in case the review ain't good or if anyone has any complain about the game really.

Anyway sorry for the long post. All that to say that um idk why people keep bringing ''wokeness'' into dawntrail. Clearly that ain't the issue with the MSQ and to me it seem that (thankfully) Sweet baby inc didn't touch dawntrail story or whatever people keep claiming.

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You forgot one important aspect is that western companies are actively pursuing ways to improve their ESG score to appease investment firms.

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Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR

Nope. This is my main. I stopped playing DT after the first week or two. The last quest I remember doing in DT is the one where you're looking at pillars to ham-fistedly be forcefed exposition regarding the history of the island while dragging Wuk around the city.

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> Show up in new area,
> Exposition,

How could the woke mob do this?

Remember when bait use to be believable, Pepperidge Farms remembers.

I’m so sorry that one voice actor out of more than 50 is trans. Truly DEI must be our ruin. Next I’m gonna learn that a Final Fantasy game might contain a feminine looking man or something? I can’t even bear to imagine it! Dang politics suddenly! Woke has finally gone too far!!!! I’m going to return to my comfort games with no politics, like the Metal Gear franchise or Civ.

I am just surprised he got past Ul'dah at all, what with it architecture and the dunesfolk lalas being based on arabia and the middle-east.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I am just surprised he got past Ul'dah at all, what with it architecture and the dunesfolk lalas being based on arabia and the middle-east.

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It’s because in 2013 the alt-right movement didn’t exist.

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Jafar

It’s because in 2013 the alt-right movement didn’t exist.

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Remember when getting vaccinated wasn't political? I do.