When do you think they'll add cross-region data center travel? OCE is screwed!

It’s not so much racism as there are just genuinely different ways the communities have evolved to do content.

It’s not a big thing, but the overall patience of players with other players that comes with the Japanese culture is something people enjoy keeping around. The whole “Wa” thing (needs of all before the needs of the individual/not complaining to maintain a calm/comfortable atmosphere).

Sure it happens, but I rarely meet an impatient/rude JP player in game. I have on several occasions met Eng speaking mentors who chew out newbies and just leave the group wasting everyone’s time.

So.., I would say that overall the communities are probably the same, but the bad apples in the ENG community stand out much more. At least to me, but I generally run with Japanese peeps.

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It’s not so much racism as there are just genuinely different ways the communities have evolved to do content.

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The language barrier alone is reason enough. It can be frustrating not being able to communicate. But connecting OCE/NA isn't going to present any of these issues.

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The irony of this is that I don't think anyone is thinking "wow, as soon as cross-region opens I'm going to go to a Japanese server and force myself on a unwilling community there". People want region travel to open so they can play with and make new friends.

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Did you actually watched what happened when Asmongold, no matter if you care about youtubers and streamers in this case, started to play this game? Or do you think all these players were just "happy to make new friends" there? Our community like every community is full of trolls and douchebags and i hope you know that. JP has a different culture that pretty much prevents much of this cause of cultural based politness.

And NA players are already bothering people on JP, players who mod the game are taking screenshots in studios the JP players build which they explicit say they are against even so much to write it in the housing info. Some studios already closed cause of this and i don't think with region travel that would be gone but rather just amplified to a thousand.

So i would say leave everyone happy where they are atm, if you really want to experience another region for yourself then make a alt, with the road to 80 buff you can get on new servers it is not that hard and it costs you no money at all.

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Did you actually watched what happened when Asmongold, no matter if you care about youtubers and streamers in this case, started to play this game? Or do you think all these players were just "happy to make new friends" there? Our community like every community is full of trolls and douchebags and i hope you know that. JP has a different culture that pretty much prevents much of this cause of cultural based politness.

And NA players are already bothering people on JP, players who mod the game are taking screenshots in studios the JP players build which they explicit say they are against even so much to write it in the housing info. Some studios already closed cause of this and i don't think with region travel that would be gone but rather just amplified to a thousand.

So i would say leave everyone happy where they are atm, if you really want to experience another region for yourself then make a alt, with the road to 80 buff you can get on new servers it is not that hard and it costs you no money at all.

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Yeah, we got a ton of new players to the FC when Asmongold started playing. Was great, heaps of new people over from WoW to have a look around. Some stayed, some didn't. Some moved to OCE then quit because there's not enough people there :)

To play an massively multiplayer online game you need the multiplayer, you do undestand this right? This whole "you can't play in MY HOUSE" attitude is childish and ridiculous, not to mention, overall a detriment to FFXIV. But, like we're saying, if JP wants to be left out then leave them out. One hugely xenophobic community shouldn't have a complete say over the other regions.

Are you actually complaining about people joining and trying out FFXIV? Who cares who they followed to get here.

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Yeah, we got a ton of new players to the FC when Asmongold started playing. Was great, heaps of new people over from WoW to have a look around. Some stayed, some didn't. Some moved to OCE then quit because there's not enough people there :)

To play an massively multiplayer online game you need the multiplayer, you do undestand this right? This whole "you can't play in MY HOUSE" attitude is childish and ridiculous, not to mention, overall a detriment to FFXIV. But, like we're saying, if JP wants to be left out then leave them out. One hugely xenophobic community shouldn't have a complete say over the other regions.

Are you actually complaining about people joining and trying out FFXIV? Who cares who they followed to get here.

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Tbh EU also doesn't really care about NA. But for all it is worth yeah let OCE and NA play together i guess but in that case you can just put all the players back to NA where they will face the same problem they had before, awful ping. Which is another reason why region travel might be a bad thing.

But regarding Asmongold, there were many players who got outright banned when he started cause they harassed him and yes also new players with whales mounts and mentor crowns. I don't think neither EU nor JP wants that attitude and culture seeping into our datacenters, really no thank you. We are happy that you have your place over there somewhere where you can troll and meme to your hearts content.

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Tbh EU also doesn't really care about NA. But for all it is worth yeah let OCE and NA play together i guess but in that case you can just put all the players back to NA where they will face the same problem they had before, awful ping. Which is another reason why region travel might be a bad thing.

But regarding Asmongold, there were many players who got outright banned when he started cause they harassed him and yes also new players with whales mounts and mentor crowns. I don't think neither EU nor JP wants that attitude and culture seeping into our datacenters, really no thank you. We are happy that you have your place over there somewhere where you can troll and meme to your hearts content.

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Hi, I'm a Kiwi OCE who plays on NA and has done so since 2013. Ping is higher than if I were an American but fine. Have cleared all Ultimates and savage content. Don't speak for us.

I am not sure who you are referring to about trolling and memeing? Someone in this thread? Me? Or are you lumping all NA players into a casual racist opinion that has very little basis in reality? Bad eggs exist in all regions.

The only troll I see in this thread is you. You've come in with hot takes, stirring the pot of wE hAtE nOn JP pLaYeRs and genuinally trying to derail the suggestion OCE players are validly presenting to assist their fading community.

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Hi, I'm a Kiwi OCE who plays on NA and has done so since 2013. Ping is higher than if I were an American but fine. Have cleared all Ultimates and savage content. Don't speak for us.

I am not sure who you are referring to about trolling and memeing? Someone in this thread? Me? Or are you lumping all NA players into a casual racist opinion that has very little basis in reality? Bad eggs exist in all regions.

The only troll I see in this thread is you. You've come in with hot takes, stirring the pot of wE hAtE nOn JP pLaYeRs and genuinally trying to derail the suggestion OCE players are validly presenting to assist their fading community.

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I mean you are entitled to your opinion, i can respect that. And i for myself can sleep safe and soundly in the knowledge that SE will never implement region travel unless the game is really starting to lose players and they have to do it which is absolutely not the case atm.

So lets just agree to disagree, i have already what i want anyways.

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...I think you are somewhat overconfident here. Why would they not? If there is popular support for the option, and a need, then why would they not?

Because one part of the community doesnt like the idea? SE would need to take a much broader view, as this would be to benefit everyone...incl JP players who would also enjoy visiting and playing with OCE.

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In a broader view, this isnt just about you.

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Tbh EU also doesn't really care about NA. But for all it is worth yeah let OCE and NA play together i guess but in that case you can just put all the players back to NA where they will face the same problem they had before, awful ping. Which is another reason why region travel might be a bad thing.

But regarding Asmongold, there were many players who got outright banned when he started cause they harassed him and yes also new players with whales mounts and mentor crowns. I don't think neither EU nor JP wants that attitude and culture seeping into our datacenters, really no thank you. We are happy that you have your place over there somewhere where you can troll and meme to your hearts content.

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I love it when one person speaks for an entire region and associates the behavior of all members of another region by the rabid fanbase of one streamer. Lmfao.

Make it make sense. Seriously, why do people assume that one small group represents the entirety of the NA mentality instead of actually taking the time to get to know people and seeing we all don't share some hive mind?

Everyone's assuming that NA would flood the gates of JP and destroy them, but I personally know some NA players that are playing on JP just fine, in fact, they're indistinguishable from the other english speakers because they don't stick out.

I also highly doubt that NA would even bother coming to JP after the novelty wears off, they'd likely find the culture doesn't suit them and just return to their NA servers. Incompatible people don't generally hang around each other by choice.

The only legit concern about cross region is the marketboard pricing differences between NA and JP, if they disable the marketboard when in another region, then I don't see why cross region should be so opposed.

This does suck, as from what I've read, OCE players wanted a datacenter of their own. And not this.

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Everyone's assuming that NA would flood the gates of JP and destroy them, but I personally know some NA players that are playing on JP just fine, in fact, they're indistinguishable from the other english speakers because they don't stick out.

I also highly doubt that NA would even bother coming to JP after the novelty wears off, they'd likely find the culture doesn't suit them and just return to their NA servers. Incompatible people don't generally hang around each other by choice.

The only legit concern about cross region is the marketboard pricing differences between NA and JP, if they disable the marketboard when in another region, then I don't see why cross region should be so opposed.

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Keyword here, legitimate. You're right on all of that though, outside of visiting friends or seeing the things that some servers are known for (like the outdoor market in Tonberry), I don't think many would deal with garbage ping just to "torture" the other regions.

Stereotypes based on the news that don't even reflect the views of the community itself or showing both sides are not.

Something needs to be done to get us to a critical mass where the data center functions normally. SE made the center, provided incentives, yet the center isn't achieving the population numbers it needs.

They can do nothing and let the center fail or they can take steps to help it and the responsibility is on the developer/director to see that this doesn't fester and get worse. Again I don't know if DC regional travel can be implemented selectively but if it can that at least can keep the center from bleeding given residents can dc travel to get some content done.

Let us travel to English speaking DC's we don't need Japan for this to work.

But if people go to other DCs for fulfilling their endgame party needs, what incentive will there be for them to keep any foundation in their home DC?

Gosh I just love the delusion of "NA is the only region full of problematic players", as if trolls and toxic individuals don't exist freaking everywhere (yes, even JP).

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...Who cares? Servers barely mean anything as it is - they just tie you to where your character is based for stuff like retainers, housing, and FC.

Meanwhile, some of us want to play with friends on other regions for things not related to endgame party needs, and to me that's far more important than the illusion of "foundation in their home DC". The focus should be getting people who want to have fun with other people to the place where they CAN do that, because the game is about FUN.

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But if people go to other DCs for fulfilling their endgame party needs, what incentive will there be for them to keep any foundation in their home DC?

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A ton of OCE players havent gone anywhere near the OCE servers because they A) can't play with the raid groups they're in already (or FC groups) or B) have heard the queues are abysmal. It would encourage people to join and stay on OCE if people knew they could still play the game if queues were slow. People joining/staying = population growth. Population growth, shorter queues = less reason to leave.

Lets be honest, you know you can go to another server for a slightly cheaper item on the market board but how often have you thought...nah, I'll just buy here, can't be bothered going if I don't have to. Same thing.

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Remember when they opened cross-datacentre and all the role players on Brynhildr were raging about the same thing. "Toxic people will RUIN our space". All that happened is that people went to have a look for a few days and then went home.

As soon as possible, people I know are jumping to different regions for friends raiding times and it's getting irritating because I'm happily stationed in NA.

Enable Cross-region and let us all benefit, nothing is worth stopping that.

Having created an alt on Dynamis, I've come to the realization that cross-data center travel would not really solve the issue of low pop servers in Materia. Instead of being stuck and forced to foster a community on their home worlds, players will tend to travel to other data centers to escape the long queues, which lead to being longer queues on Dynamis, which leads to more people leaving to other DCs to queue for content, which leads to even longer queues on Dynamis etc.....well you get the idea.

If cross-data center travel happens, it will almost be assured that Materia would become even deader as players will just leave for NA/EU to do their content. Unfortunately, there is no simple solution to this issue other than raising awareness and inviting more friends/encouraging english speaking players from SEA region to leave JP and come to OCE instead.

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players will tend to travel to other data centers to escape the long queues, which lead to being longer queues on Dynamis, which leads to more people leaving to other DCs to queue for content, which leads to even longer queues on Dynamis etc.....well you get the idea.

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..the traffic would be both ways. or did you forget that.

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..the traffic would be both ways. or did you forget that.

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Who would willingly travel to a datacenter that has both longer queues and worse ping?

It's a legit problem, and data center travel just really isn't a good way to go about it.

Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

That's the core issue- SE needs to entice people to populate these servers. The current 1 million gil nonsense is a non-starter.

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Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

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It sounds like a good idea on the surface, but there's a big catch: people can have multiple characters and (if it's even technically possible) walling people off from any characters not moved to the new DC would be unfair, while letting them continue to play all characters could mean they just park a disused alt on the bonus server and keep playing elsewhere.

This is where we need to be honest. There are certain people who will never DC travel away from a data center. Not just people who are trying to help it grow, but people who are simply ignorant that DC travels exists, too new to the game to understand that it exists or think it's too complicated to bother with. To this day, there are people who don't even know that world visiting is possible and I inform people that it exists regularly. These are the people who slowly make the queues viable over time.

As a new data center it's going to be hard because there is nothing established there - no RP events, no communities, no big and famous FCs, no statics, nothing to socially entice people to be there like there definitely is on established data centers. We can point to Crystal or Balmung for roleplaying, we can point to Aether for raiding and dozens of high profiles content creators, but what can we point to Dynamis or Materia for? Peace and quiet?

It's going to take time whether there is DC travel or not, but being able to drag people to the data center for roleplay events or static nights is something that would help build a reputation of some sort.

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It sounds like a good idea on the surface, but there's a big catch: people can have multiple characters and (if it's even technically possible) walling people off from any characters not moved to the new DC would be unfair, while letting them continue to play all characters could mean they just park a disused alt on the bonus server and keep playing elsewhere.

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This is true and would need some kind of work to improve. I don’t really know what that is, but it could be a requirement of playtime in exchange for the sub waiver. Or their characters must exclusively be on OCE (which I don’t like). Some way to ensure the bulk of playtime is on OCE characters, or at least enough to promote others to play there.

Whatever the case, it should only reward those putting effort into playing on OCE, but also not penalize those who are happy on another server. (Eg. no weird throttling to make ping impossible for OCE players outside of OCE servers)

Considering the mass request for it I think they will, folks just got to remember they said they "might" have the means to do so, doesnt mean they can right this moment.

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As a new data center it's going to be hard because there is nothing established there - no RP events, no communities, no big and famous FCs, no statics, nothing to socially entice people to be there like there definitely is on established data centers. We can point to Crystal or Balmung for roleplaying, we can point to Aether for raiding and dozens of high profiles content creators, but what can we point to Dynamis or Materia for? Peace and quiet?

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Peace and quiet works. A lot of players came to Dynamis to get away from the reputations and drama of their previous home worlds/data centers.

Come 7.0, Dynamis and Materia will have only minor log in queues compared to the login queues on the more populated worlds.

There will probably continue to be available houses for those who were drawn to the game by housing.

There will be subcommunities where players get to know each other well instead of being an anonymous name in a crowd.

With more interdependence caused by a small population, there generally comes a more friendly and helpful community.

Dynamis doesn't really have anything to worry about as NA players are free to visit on their existing characters then return home if they don't like it. Materia is a 90 day commitment to see what it's like.

Perhaps SE needs to revise the how World Balancing initiative rewards are received in addition to opening up cross region travel for OCE. Make Road to 80 XP bonus apply to any character playing on a Materia world, even a Traveler. Only give the other rewards after the character has a Materia home world for 90 days and 100 hours of time played on a Materia world. That way making a new character for the gil bonus and free game time isn't a done thing after 15 minutes to get to level 10 then 2 Ocean Voyages as FSH.

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Who would willingly travel to a datacenter that has both longer queues and worse ping?

It's a legit problem, and data center travel just really isn't a good way to go about it.

Rather, SE could easily just say "Hey, move to OCE server, and set up your account with an OCE credit card/bank to pay and we'll give you 3 months free"

Not enough? Give 6 months free with purchase valid through 2023. You'd get people coming to save money, you'd get people telling their friends "hey just try it, you get 6 months of sub free!", and if even 20% of those people who try it stick, well, that's people.

That's the core issue- SE needs to entice people to populate these servers. The current 1 million gil nonsense is a non-starter.

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Ideally, cross region DC travel JP - OCE would work, as there have to be thousands of players who want to play on OCE but dont want to leave their current communities. I am well aware of the issues, but to keep OCE viable, which is a MUST, it may have to be the only option. The advantage of them is the improved latency, without the need to move permanently.

Allowing NA - OC or EU - OCE travel but locking off JP...I dont know if that can even be done.

I know JP isnt too hot on the idea, but at the same time, there is a much wider issue to be addressed. Its a balancing act, I know.

We also CANNOT make a hedged bet on 7.0 improving the situation, as there is no gaurantee it will change population numbers on a long term basis.

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Ideally, cross region DC travel JP - OCE would work, as there have to be thousands of players who want to play on OCE but dont want to leave their current communities. I am well aware of the issues, but to keep OCE viable, which is a MUST, it may have to be the only option. The advantage of them is the improved latency, without the need to move permanently.

Allowing NA - OC or EU - OCE travel but locking off JP...I dont know if that can even be done.

I know JP isnt too hot on the idea, but at the same time, there is a much wider issue to be addressed. Its a balancing act, I know.

We also CANNOT make a hedged bet on 7.0 improving the situation, as there is no gaurantee it will change population numbers on a long term basis.

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The problem is it’s not just a simple thing to allow international movement. With DC travel, everything moves in house, from one stack to another mere feet from each other IRL.

Doing transfers from one cluster to another in another country requires new infrastructure. We are talking transfers from SE cluster to another SE cluster in another country, using their bandwidth and their internet connections.

OCE isn’t that old. If you hate it and can’t be patient, don’t play on it…pretty simple. Asking for bandaid solutions isn’t going to fix it, isn’t going to encourage growth, and doesn’t address the actual issue of retaining/recruiting players to the DC.

To be clear, you are complaining that a server, which is about a month old, is not as populated as established servers during the absolute dead zone of the expansion’s lifecycle. If it’s still like this at the same point in 7.0 then sure, we have a problem. Right now, the sky is decidedly NOT falling.

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The problem is it’s not just a simple thing to allow international movement. With DC travel, everything moves in house, from one stack to another mere feet from each other IRL.

Doing transfers from one cluster to another in another country requires new infrastructure. We are talking transfers from SE cluster to another SE cluster in another country, using their bandwidth and their internet connections.

OCE isn’t that old. If you hate it and can’t be patient, don’t play on it…pretty simple. Asking for bandaid solutions isn’t going to fix it, isn’t going to encourage growth, and doesn’t address the actual issue of retaining/recruiting players to the DC.

To be clear, you are complaining that a server, which is about a month old, is not as populated as established servers during the absolute dead zone of the expansion’s lifecycle. If it’s still like this at the same point in 7.0 then sure, we have a problem. Right now, the sky is decidedly NOT falling.

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OCE is more than a month old. Several months more than a month old.

Now if you are referring to Dynamis then I rather agree that it isn't as dead as some people think it is. Dynamis will without a doubt improve over time and with 7.0.

Valid points have already been raised towards the beginning of the thread that set Materia up for a fail.

I've watched the deterioration and I've made the calculated choice to let sub lapse but come back after my M house has been relinquished, claim what Gil I get from the recovery and transfer back to Elemental ahead of the new ward releases.

Not sharing this for any other reason other than this is my battleplan. See you on the other side :)

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Valid points have already been raised towards the beginning of the thread that set Materia up for a fail.

I've watched the deterioration and I've made the calculated choice to let sub lapse but come back after my M house has been relinquished, claim what Gil I get from the recovery and transfer back to Elemental ahead of the new ward releases.

Not sharing this for any other reason other than this is my battleplan. See you on the other side :)

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As SE's complete silence on anything about Materia stretches on, we're watching many people do the same thing and no one can blame them. Disappointing, of course, but we all pay a monthly sub to play the game. If we can't play the game then what's the point? Good luck back on Elemental :)

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OCE is more than a month old. Several months more than a month old.

Now if you are referring to Dynamis then I rather agree that it isn't as dead as some people think it is. Dynamis will without a doubt improve over time and with 7.0.

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I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

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I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

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Materia has been opened for almost a year and should be worried about more than Dynamis. Dynamis will be fine regardless of whether or not people pack in because we have cross-DC and people will get their queues solved in the end. Materia doesn't have that option and barely enough pop to be comparable to Dynamis, even after only a month. The issue is in Materia only and should be focused on rather than worrying about Dynamis because we dont have a packed Limsa in every server.

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I apologize there; got them confused. Regardless, I would say if either is still where it is a few months into 7.0, then we have an issue.

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7.0 is going to be in 2024 so it's more than a few months. xpac will not release before the Fan Fests are over and the last one is scheduled early 2024.

https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

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7.0 is going to be in 2024 so it's more than a few months. xpac will not release before the Fan Fests are over and the last one is scheduled early 2024.

https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

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I said “a few months into 7.0”, not “in a few months”.

As in, 3-4 months after 7.0 launches…whenever that is.

Apologies if my wording was confusing- no snark intended in this response!