Fat Cat Coat & Pagaga’s Emote.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Even back then, I think it was inevitable that they would start selling unique items. Everyone should have seen it coming. Like it or not, that is exactly what happened.

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I'd prefer it, if instead of bundling everything together, like this new pricing model, they would instead sell pieces like this separately, of course it won't happen though. The only thing I'd want from this most recent set are the shorts. The hood even removes viera ears.

This may be their new model going forward, bundled items with pieces that would have been once gender locked, to try and justify the price.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd prefer it, if instead of bundling everything together, like this new pricing model, they would instead sell pieces like this separately, of course it won't happen though. The only thing I'd want from this most recent set are the shorts. The hood even removes viera ears.

This may be their new model going forward, bundled items with pieces that were once gender locked, to try and justify the price.

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Sadly, they have no reason to separate pieces or lower the price. They know that people will buy these things no matter how expensive they are.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

And here I am sorely, sorely tempted to do exactly the same for a vanity glam I'll wear for a week.

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Just go yellow Hrothgar, you're really not missing out :p

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Oh come on, no need to go full Sasuke. During ARR and HW the devs/SE had to prove themselves. Meanwhile many called SE the EA of Japan due to the SE's money hungry ways and questionable decisions. Once XIV became top dog, what did you expect? Let me tell you the secret that will make you laugh at all of this...

It's a video game, don't sweat it. There will be more video games and there are plenty of video games already made that might be better! Have you played all of them? I bet there are some pretty good ones out there!

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For fans of FFXIV, I recommend asking anyone who's played through Final Fantasy Brave Exvius prior to the pandemic how the game is treated.

Square is notorious for being rather greedy and jumping the gun if they think it will net them money. The real issue is people who actually fall for that and keep paying them. As long as there are people willing to buy Mogstation stuff, people willing to buy FOMO figurines for an in-game emote, they have no reason to stop. And we can say "protest with your wallets" all we want, it never works out. I'd like to say "Well, at least this hasn't gotten to Blizzard standards". But I know better than to do that because complacency is dandy until they push, push and push and suddenly we're actually worse than Blizzard.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd prefer it, if instead of bundling everything together, like this new pricing model, they would instead sell pieces like this separately, of course it won't happen though. The only thing I'd want from this most recent set are the shorts. The hood even removes viera ears.

This may be their new model going forward, bundled items with pieces that would have been once gender locked, to try and justify the price.

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That would be absolutely lovely. The street glam for example: I like only the top and the pants(sort of, not sure I'd buy that). No way I'll buy the entire overpriced bundle.
It will never happen, though.

If you think about it the price isn't even justifiable because while, yes, there are 2 pant options, the chest and gloves are a single piece (for god knows what reason) meaning that the total number of items is the same as older sets that didn't include what would've previously been gender variants...

There is nothing you can say or do to stop me from buying cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

If you think about it the price isn't even justifiable because while, yes, there are 2 pant options, the chest and gloves are a single piece (for god knows what reason) meaning that the total number of items is the same as older sets that didn't include what would've previously been gender variants...

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The gloves are attached to the top? I didn't even notice it was one item! I think it's just the act of making these pieces available that, in their mind, justifies this new pricing model.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

It's a bit like if your spouse spent all this money on the computer, including a copy of Windows for that PC, but had to pay an extra $5 for each extra app they wanted, like Notepad, Internet Explorer, or Paint.

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No, it's not.
What came with my spouse's PC is what came with it; the RTX 3070 that was recently added to drive the new 49" double QHD monitor didn't, that cost extra.
What came with a FFIXV subscription is what came with it, and not all the stuff in Mog Station did.

You want the Mog Sation stuff for free? Do you think developing it was free?
Some of it may have been, being adaptations of existing assets.
But AFAIK the Fat Cat Coat is new, so someone had to create it.
Same with the SDS Fenris mount, the only cash shop "cheat" in the game AFAIK.
Developing the coat and the mount cost money.
Should that cost be borne by all subscribers, even those who don't want them?
I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

And we can say "protest with your wallets" all we want, it never works out.

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You're not wrong. Games Workshop, the company that makes Warhammer 40K, have raised prices on their models quite a bit over the past couple of years. I understand the cost of labor, energy, and logistics has increased quite a bit, but not so much as to justify their increases. It finally reached a point, in conjunction with other of their business practices, that I decided to stop spending my own money on their models. I still need to get the rules books and paint, but they're a tiny expense compared to the models. Will my decision hurt them? No. It may hurt my local store though, which is sad since people will still be buying GW's models to the degree where losing people like me won't hurt them much.

All I can say is I no longer find value in certain of GW's products and refuse to support them to the greatest degree I can get away with. It's the same with the Mogstation; if I don't find value in an item I won't get it. In fact, I probably won't be buying anything from there again for years as I got everything I want from it during this past sale.

When a business holds a significant or dominant market share, they can get away with a lot that they couldn't before. Once they get to that point all we can do is "vote with our wallet" and feel good about sticking to our principles even though we know it won't amount to even a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme.

I like the coat and booties but they really need to improve the hood. It is really bad. If you look at it, it has just sliced off all your hair etc so the top of your head looks weird and so do the sides as chunks are basically cut out. They really skipped out on the effort it would take to make that hood suitable. For the price of the outfit this hood is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

this example is quite literally our business because people shilling and whaling are the ones helping promote awful business practices.

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Thats the funny part of personal accountability. When people are exposed for promoting awful business practices due their own incapability to behave or control their own spending habits, they get mad instead of seeking help.

Awful practices will continue, for theres always people willing to spend ANY amount..

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...I recommend asking anyone who's played through Final Fantasy Brave Exvius ...

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PLEASE, i was trying to forget this game existed.. never again *hits head hard into wall till memory is forgotten again*

You guys are basically justifying them using your sub money to create ffxvi and sell mogstation items more expensive lol.
I believe with all the subs and massive player base they can maybe afford to create a hoodie and sell it for lets say 12/15$ instead of 22$.
If they can’t that’s because the sub money went somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I like the coat and booties but they really need to improve the hood. It is really bad. If you look at it, it has just sliced off all your hair etc so the top of your head looks weird and so do the sides as chunks are basically cut out. They really skipped out on the effort it would take to make that hood suitable. For the price of the outfit this hood is unacceptable.

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Yeah. For the price people have to pay, there should be a certain level of quality present. It is not present here, nor is it present in a lot of the items on the store.

The price is pretty bonkers but hey, at least I can actually wear the hood!

There are things in the online store I'd rather buy for 3€ than these things. They look awful lol.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah. For the price people have to pay, there should be a certain level of quality present. It is not present here, nor is it present in a lot of the items on the store.

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I can't stand the undyable npc clothes. Really.
Why????

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Thats the funny part of personal accountability. When people are exposed for promoting awful business practices due their own incapability to behave or control their own spending habits, they get mad instead of seeking help.

Awful practices will continue, for theres always people willing to spend ANY amount..

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Buying 1-2 things in the Mog Station a year doesn't have my personal finances in shambles. I put in extra hours at my job to meet a work deadline today so I'm not going to feel bad spending $20 on a dumb videogame outfit. I spend very little on videogames a year so I'll be alright. I don't think my therapist will really need to intervene over this.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

Buying 1-2 things in the Mog Station a year doesn't have my personal finances in shambles. I put in extra hours at my job to meet a work deadline today so I'm not going to feel bad spending $20 on a dumb videogame outfit. I spend very little on videogames a year so I'll be alright. I don't think my therapist will really need to intervene over this.

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It's your money. Do whatever you want. And no, that doesn't constitute as needing "help" or therapy. That was a bit overdramatic of them.

I want to know why items exclusive to the store that cost real money still can’t have dedicated armoire spots even though it’s fine for holiday items that can gotten for free when they first come out.

I like the idea of the outfits but I feel like the proportions are off on the top and hood; they're not loose or relaxed enough. The model for the female version of the top even defies gravity to hug their waist. ( ꒪Д꒪)ノ
The hood also doesn't connect to the top, you can see it floating in the mogstore pics. ( >x>)

They are increasing the prices and people love it. These type of outfits used to be $18.

Which was already quite a hefty chunk of money for virtual dress up clothes...

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Originally Posted by Ariane

They are increasing the prices and people love it. These type of outfits used to be $18.

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Remember when a loaf of bread only cost 45 cents?

I do.

I'm happier to see the price increases occurring on optional items that I have a choice of buying rather than seeing them as an annual increase on the subscription.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

They are increasing the prices and people love it. These type of outfits used to be $18.

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The previous outfits didn't include multiple pieces for one slot. This has pants and shorts. The streetwear set had two tops.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm happier to see the price increases occurring on optional items that I have a choice of buying rather than seeing them as an annual increase on the subscription.

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That seems like a big jump in logic, especially considering they still have additional fees like additional retainers and the always constant flow of purchases for Fantasias. (●´ω｀●)ゞ

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The previous outfits didn't include multiple pieces for one slot. This has pants and shorts. The streetwear set had two tops.

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The Streetwear set has 6 items, compared to this one's 5. Granted, some of the $18 outfits only have 3 items, while others have 5. They really need some consistency with price-per-items I think. (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

That seems like a big jump in logic, especially considering they still have additional fees like additional retainers and the always constant flow of purchases for Fantasias.

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How is it a big jump in logic? Inflation tends to cause prices of both goods and services to increase every year. Employees need a raise to cover the increases to their housing/utilities/transportation/food/etc? The prices of those items had their prices increased for similar reasons.

The money needs to come from somewhere.

Not every player wants extra retainers.

Not every player is a Fantasia addict, or GP dye addict, or whatever other item/service the game offers as an additional cost feature that you chose to name.

If players don't increase the amount they purchase those services/items and that income remains static, then the game needs to do something to cover increased business costs.

They could increase the cost of everything. Would you prefer that? Or is it better to do what they've chosen to do and just increase the price of newly introduced items compared to comparable items already being sold?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The previous outfits didn't include multiple pieces for one slot. This has pants and shorts. The streetwear set had two tops.

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Ok cool but can it not remove racial traits and have glitched animations if it's going to have this sort of price? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Remember when a loaf of bread only cost 45 cents?

I do.

I'm happier to see the price increases occurring on optional items that I have a choice of buying rather than seeing them as an annual increase on the subscription.

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The fat cat set represents a cost increase of 22% compared to similar sets. The inflation rate in Japan is 2.6% as of July 2022. See here. In America, the rate of inflation is 8.3%. Both figures are far lower than the price increase of this set. If Square Enix were to increase the sub price to fit even the much-higher American inflation rate, the sub fee would only increase by $1. It would take almost two years of paying a higher-priced sub to equal the purchase of a single fat cat set.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Ok cool but can it not remove racial traits and have glitched animations if it's going to have this sort of price? Thanks.

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Hate to say it, but beggars can't be choosers. They didn't even want to make these races, but were pressured into it. Now, it's a slow process of getting all that to be compatible with gear.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

The fat cat set represents a cost increase of 22% compared to similar sets. The inflation rate in Japan is 2.6% as of July 2022. See here. In America, the rate of inflation is 8.3%. Both figures are far lower than the price increase of this set. If Square Enix were to increase the sub price to fit even the much-higher American inflation rate, the sub fee would only increase by $1. It would take almost two years of paying a higher-priced sub to equal the purchase of a single fat cat set.

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I thought people were concerned about the increase to the price of a glamour set, not the full price of the set. If the sub fee increased $1/mo but the price increase is $4, that's only 4 months.

The next question would be when was the previous time a price increase was implemented on comparable sets - and what would even be a comparable set in the first place. Was this set originally released in China or Korea like most of the non-cosplay sets, or is it a rare occasion of a set getting an initial release to JP/NA/EU?

Doesn't change that if you don't like the price, you have the option to not buy the product. You don't need it to play any part of the game.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Doesn't change that if you don't like the price, you have the option to not buy the product. You don't need it to play any part of the game.

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One can also wait a year for the sale price.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Not every player wants extra retainers.

Not every player is a Fantasia addict, or GP dye addict, or whatever other item/service the game offers as an additional cost feature that you chose to name.

If players don't increase the amount they purchase those services/items and that income remains static, then the game needs to do something to cover increased business costs.

They could increase the cost of everything. Would you prefer that? Or is it better to do what they've chosen to do and just increase the price of newly introduced items compared to comparable items already being sold?

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And increasing the price of items that, to copy you, "not every player" wants/buys would magically fix that? （*´▽｀*）
That's also imply we know SE is raising their employees' pay and that the cash shop's profits are being funneled into doing that.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

What you do in your games has no bearing on mine lol. That's the beauty of it. Stop telling people what to do because you take issue with people spending their own hard earned money the way they want to. If I have expendable income and my bills are paid, what I do with it is my business.

All I was saying is that what is or isn't "not very smart" depends on the person and their own financial situation...which is the truth. If you can afford it and have your real life sorted in terms of things being paid...why not spoil yourself? Lmao.

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It's called acting in your own best interest as a consumer. The behaviour you describe is the very reason why gaming is going downhill. It started with horse armour and people said the same thing and here we are.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Hate to say it, but beggars can't be choosers. They didn't even want to make these races, but were pressured into it. Now, it's a slow process of getting all that to be compatible with gear.

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Gonna be real this is an utterly wild excuse to use for this tbh
Like, they're a AAA gaming company out to make money
This isn't like forcing your buddy from art class to draw your OC on threat of breaking his glasses or some nonsense, this is a company making a business decision based on customer feedback
If their desire to not add them was more than what they thought to gain, they wouldn't have added them at all

I'm personally glad they are just selling the emote instead of forcing me to earn it in Bozja for too high a price. Farming is so horrifically boring and I almost never do it in general. This way, it's not locked off to me through time sink and I can just buy it quickly and be done with lol.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Hate to say it, but beggars can't be choosers. They didn't even want to make these races, but were pressured into it. Now, it's a slow process of getting all that to be compatible with gear.

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You haven't been paying attention to Hrothgar threads, have you? That sort of sentiment, that "having to go through every piece of clothes in the past and apply that same scrutiny in future additions would be a lot of work" was brought up every week. We know that, we even came up with reasons to justify it. All the time. Just read StormChurro's posts half the time on those threads. But there's a specific limit to how much we should be allowed to take. Removal of racial features is already a bit sketch, but the fact that it also glitches on top is the line I personally draw. Especially if they're gonna charge this much for something like that.

And EXCUSE ME?

Please don't smoke the Gysahl Greens, they are not for you.

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They didn't even want to make these races, but were pressured into it.

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That is not what happened, Yoshida himself admitted that when Hrothgars were announced xD

He said they wanted to make Hrothgar out of a desire to have a Bestial race after he saw how popular Lupines were, and that Viera were added due to fan demand xD That was repeated over and over in the Hrothgar hair threads, and I see people still haven't gotten it! Well here you go, have a source.

Only one of those races was done due to pressure, and it was Male Viera xD No one pressured the devs to do female Viera, the fans asked for it and showed interest. Hrothgar on the other hand weren't even asked for, they just up and did them on their own. Some people might have casually mentioned how cool it'd be to have the Ronso, but they're no different than people who ask for Nu Mou or Aegyl, and even if they did, casual mentions aren't the same as feedback. And Viera were a product of feedback because people were spamming their designs for a Male Viera from "FATE in Tokyo" since Heavensward!


Why do you think Hrothgars got blamed for "stealing Male Viera" to begin with? XD it's because no one asked for them!! If they worked under pressure like you said, they'd only have given us Viera, not Hrothgar at all.

What "pressure"? You sound like those people who lump everyone and insist Hrothgars did :crab: Male Viera :crab:, when I'm willing to bet not even Viera were doing that themselves. No one pressured anything back in Shadowbringers, worst there was was a lot of people discussing the inclusion of Vieras into the game and expressing that they'd love it. Saying the playerbase "pressured" the devs is so irresponsible it really is an argument used by those who either don't know any better or have a grudge against the races' inclusions.

Also, "a slow process of getting all that to be compatible with gear", uhhh it's called "commitment"? : ) As in, you decided to do this and implement it into the game, why are you skimping out on it now? Especially since not a single time did the devs call them Limited Races, that was a community meme. And especially since they claim to want to "spare no expense" for player experience. Well, some players are experiencing less than others, but slay queens. I parrot this yet again: the company worked under Agile Development. This is my source, though it's indirect; he mentions a term from Agile Development from time to time, which is how you know that's what the devs follow. Pay attention to him saying "スプリント". I assume that's what they're still doing, because it's a bloody standard in the industry, I'd honestly be surprised if they changed it. And if you're working with that, odds are you know how much work is going to involve and you'll allocate resources accordingly for the Sprints it'd require. If stuff is constantly like this, it's because they haven't wanted it to change. It wouldn't have gone past the final Sprint if they did. It's been 3 years, if they "worked under fan pressure" like you imply, this'd have been sorted ages ago.

I also haven't seen anything be more compatible with gear for 3 years, we're all still wearing the same things because new stuff isn't being done to accomodate us at all. And a lot of models simply reuse older models. This nun-like bag we're getting over our heads that hides hairs and facial features is based on technology that's already present in the game.

This was a very dangerous assumption to make, given how quick people are to jump the gun and draft random crap to deny those races' feedback. We've been alerting to this behaviour for months now. And I know you know this, Dev. Because you interacted in those threads. You've read all this.

Ya got me. A slight error on a subject I frankly have little interest in. I interacted in maybe one thread, said my piece and left. It's long forgotten. I can only keep track of so much. :)

I know the announcement is out there in the LL section detailing their plans for the new races... It took them 3 years to get to this point. Don't expect any rush in progress. I think the separate hood was even made to accommodate said races.


I see AAA and small indie mentioned so much. I'm told I'm making excuses while people are making a ridiculous amount of requests and having super high expectations. Every place has their limits.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ya got me. A slight error on a subject I frankly have little interest in. I interacted in maybe one thread, said my piece and left. It's long forgotten. I can only keep track of so much. :)

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"Slight error" would be a massive understatement. Might have been best to just avoid discussing a subject you clearly know nothing about.

Something about the hood seems off. It looks unfinished, even. Also, separate gloves from the top would have made me consider buying it. C'est la vie.