Island Sanctuary: Rest Cycles? Why?

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I agree with most everything else you said, except for this. Time gating is exactly what it is. Is it effective at being a time gate for anyone wanting or willing to brute force the grind? Nope, not really. But it's a time gate all the same. It is very clearly intended to slow people down. I'd be very surprised if there was another explanation at the core of its design. I've been around the block way more than once. I know a time gate when I see it.

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Maybe a time gate to those who don't want to learn the workshop and just throw anything on it? It's hardly one to those that learn it and use the patterns to their advantage. Like I said, been clearing 20k a week in it with just 5 days. It's not hard or difficult at all.

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Originally Posted by Valfreyja

Maybe a time gate to those who don't want to learn the workshop and just throw anything on it? It's hardly one to those that learn it and use the patterns to their advantage. Like I said, been clearing 20k a week in it with just 5 days. It's not hard or difficult at all.

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But it's still a time gate. That is my entire point.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

But it's still a time gate. That is my entire point.

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But I mean...who cares? Nothing in ANY video game comes instantly. So why would anyone honestly expect this to be instant? It's just ridiculous.

You want Savage gear. You put in the time and effort for it.
You want Tomestone gear. You put in the time and effort for it.
You want this Island vendor stuff. You put in the time and effort for it.

It's just dumb labeling stuff as a time gate, when literally 100% of the game is time gated. It becomes meaningless at that point.

Just call it what it really is. People thought "relaxed" meant that SE was just gonna dump a bunch of freebies on them, and they wouldn't have to make any effort towards getting it. Now that they see, yes you actually have to play the game (the shock, the horror) to get these items. So they bash the content because they are lazy.

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Originally Posted by Valfreyja

But I mean...who cares? Nothing in ANY video game comes instantly. So why would anyone honestly expect this to be instant? It's just ridiculous.

You want Savage gear. You put in the time and effort for it.
You want Tomestone gear. You put in the time and effort for it.
You want this Island vendor stuff. You put in the time and effort for it.

It's just dumb labeling stuff as a time gate, when literally 100% of the game is time gated. It becomes meaningless at that point.

Just call it what it really is. People thought "relaxed" meant that SE was just gonna dump a bunch of freebies on them, and they wouldn't have to make any effort towards getting it. Now that they see, yes you actually have to play the game (the shock, the horror) to get these items. So they bash the content because they are lazy.

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I am calling it what it really is. A time gate. Not bashing it or anything, just making an observation. Time gates are an inevitable part of MMO gaming. You seem to have a problem with acknowledging this particular thing and I'm not sure why since you are okay with saying that everything else is time gated. lol No need to dance around it or deflect. It simply...is, for better or worse depending on the person.

Laughing at these people saying Island Sanctuary is timegated when it took most people like 2 weeks to unlock everything. Meanwhile Doman Restoration is literally 3+ months for what is essentially one glamour chestpiece.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Laughing at these people saying Island Sanctuary is timegated when it took most people like 2 weeks to unlock everything. Meanwhile Doman Restoration is literally 3+ months for what is essentially one glamour chestpiece.

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Doman Restoration doesn't involve tagging thousands of gather points to get XP and then waiting around for another week to get cowries to actually buy stuff.

For all the complaints about time gates, people do love going in circles about the whole concept. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Raim

Laughing at these people saying Island Sanctuary is timegated when it took most people like 2 weeks to unlock everything. Meanwhile Doman Restoration is literally 3+ months for what is essentially one glamour chestpiece.

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And? That doesn't make it not a time gates. Also x to doubt anyone could unlock everything in 2weeks. Two mounts 24k, motorcycle 24k that's the maximum you could earn, still another mount, 2 hairstyles, the wings, the minion, the barding, two orchestrations, and 6 gear pieces left.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Laughing at these people saying Island Sanctuary is timegated when it took most people like 2 weeks to unlock everything. Meanwhile Doman Restoration is literally 3+ months for what is essentially one glamour chestpiece.

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Actually no. You need over 100k cowries to buy out the vendor. You can rank 10 in two weeks, you can even get the motorcycle and trader of paradise in that time. But the rest of the vendor stuff? At least a month and a half or so.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

And? That doesn't make it not a time gates. Also x to doubt anyone could unlock everything in 2weeks. Two mounts 24k, motorcycle 24k that's the maximum you could earn, still another mount, 2 hairstyles, the wings, the minion, the barding, two orchestrations, and 6 gear pieces left.

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They can't. We are in what...season 3, season 4 now? I've got the motorcycle, the two hairstyles, gear, and the wings. Not the other stuff.

The best you can hope for in a single week is like 20-24k at most, if you play it perfectly via the pattern. It takes at least a month to buy out the shop.

Timegating is just a stupid idea and just let us do what WE want to do. People wouldn't unsub for getting what they want so quickly just paranoia

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Timegating is just a stupid idea and just let us do what WE want to do. People wouldn't unsub for getting what they want so quickly just paranoia

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It's not. It's actual fact. It's been happening for years even before FFXIV was an idea. Some people sub for a month to do the patch content. Others go for a full expansion cycle.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's not. It's actual fact. It's been happening for years even before FFXIV was an idea. Some people sub for a month to do the patch content. Others go for a full expansion cycle.

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I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that those that sub for a full expansion cycle wouldn't sub if time-gating wasn't a thing? And that increasing time-gating will make those that only sub for a month sub for longer?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's not. It's actual fact. It's been happening for years even before FFXIV was an idea. Some people sub for a month to do the patch content. Others go for a full expansion cycle.

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hence why it needs to end. Let us get our gear within a week not 4 months. Why have multiple classes but take so long to gear it up for one. It is ancient and needs to be put to rest. No more weekly caps, no more rest cycles, no more once a week

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that those that sub for a full expansion cycle wouldn't sub if time-gating wasn't a thing? And that increasing time-gating will make those that only sub for a month sub for longer?

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I'm saying people come in and play for a month or two at expansion release and then disappear til the next one.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

hence why it needs to end. Let us get our gear within a week not 4 months. Why have multiple classes but take so long to gear it up for one. It is ancient and needs to be put to rest. No more weekly caps, no more rest cycles, no more once a week

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Multiple classes/jobs are to give players options. It's not mandatory for someone to level every single job nor gear it to the max.

Let's say you did get all your gear within a week. What would you do after that? If the answer is take a break until the next content release with new gear, what is the point of getting the gear in the first place since you wouldn't be using it?

MMOs are always going to have time gated content if for no other reason than to ensure that players who aren't able to play when new content is released will still be able to find others to play with. If 95% of players got their gear week one and quit playing, what would the other 5% do when they're finally able to play a month later?

You could always choose not to play games with time gated rewards if that bothers you so much - and if you can find one you'll enjoy. Even RNG ends up a form of time gating.

Same Can Be said of statics or those who get lucky with drops.
if they don't keep doing the content itself. they'll just drop the content and not use the gear.

Its pointless to use that as an argument for Timegating.

what they need is something else, which many have offered solutions.
[even one that gives you benefit for waiting.]
but no. overlook em.

The timegating is just like any other mobile game. Except this content is treated as something innovative when it literally is just mobile game mechs put into an mmo with a shiny new paint.
I’ve missed several days of gaining no crowiles and still managed to get to rank 10 casually. Also if I wanted to walk around and enjoy some scenery in game I’d just go to the ARR areas because there’s far more detail and wonder put into those maps that isn’t seen anywhere else.

Nobody ever said this was innovative. A bunch of us saw the mobile game coming a mile away, while everyone was hoping for Genshin, Stardew et al. Now they complain that it feels like a mobile game.

Rest cycles allow you time to acquire more rare mats both animal droppings and garden mats for use during the 5 day work cycle. Most of the high crowilies manufacturing items needs these. Personally I've got 36k+ on all my Islands and two days left in my work week and am happy to have 2 days off.

Time gated content is pretty standard fare not just for Island but for just about everything.

I don't understand it either but it is what it is...

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Originally Posted by AceOfCakez

I don't understand it either but it is what it is...

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It's slight of hand. The amount of work days for the mammets and the amount of cowries you can get per week are not actually related, they just appear to be. The devs can adjust each of those seperately. Island sanctuary could have easily been designed in a way that features no rest days but the same cowries potential per week.

It does lead to the funny implication that the workshop mammets are unionized however. The granary mammets on the other hand are not.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Why do we need this needless time gating? Is there a benefit to blocking people earning cowries? It's not like they come fast as it is.

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Game Mechanic reason: insert stupid reason tied to wanting to make boring tasks stretched out so they don't have to make as much content

In-game reason: The official island governments of Placethatdefinetlyexists have decreed that you are not allowed to turn your island into a communist/socialist state where the working class is forced to work without pay/leave.