Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Basically every other MMO with a glamour system has unlimited storage, so yes.

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First and foremost that comes to mind is GW2. Each character is tagged with a database. That database has every single piece of gear in the game referenced in it. A listing becomes active (you can use the glam) if that particular piece of gear crosses your hands even just ONCE. Same thing is done with mat storage. Bank storage has a separate area for mat storage where every single material in the game has a slot. When you find a mat it can be put in the appropriate slot. Same thing with dyes. All dyes show up in the character's database but only those for which you have acquired that dye are active. Active dye slots means you can use that dye on the fly. No further purchase of that dye is necessary. Oh, and I forgot to mention that most if not all gear in GW2 is dyeable with many pieces having TWO separate dye channels.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Thing is they've already been open and honest about this stuff. Issue I'd that's not good enough for some people. I want content over an improved (not fixed cause it isnt broken) glamour dresser. Most folks wear the same stuff anyways. It's not uncommon to address something in a joking manner. It keeps things light hearted. If folks are offended or feel the devs are shrugging it off thats their own bit to sort out. Idk what it is but fun n jokes just don't land well in these particular forums and I've no idea why

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It's not uncommon but it usually rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Probably because to a lot of us it feels like a very politician-like response. It feels like deflection.

It's a video game, you don't really want to see that kind of attitude. No one's saying you can't throw in a few jokes or be light hearted but when it comes to discussing something slightly more important that you don't want misinterpreted you should probably say things straight out.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Mostly because joking at an unhappy, displeased person never works out.

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Yeah, I think this is what it boils down to, really. Laughing and joking around about a feature that continues to disappoint players doesn't exactly earn them any respect. Not just about this, but about a few things recently. I'm not gonna open up another can of worms here, but I'm sure you're aware of what I'm talking about. But yeah, it's probably more of a knee-jerk reaction from the community (here, anyway, no idea how others feel elsewhere) than anything, but after certain failings with 6.1 I can see how this could be taken personally by some. Whether they are right to do so or not may be another story, but I can relate. Whether it was all in jest or not, it's not a good look.

800 is good enough for me for now when I have places store my collections of dozens of relic weapons/armors and I don't actively collect all glam.



However, the problem is not how limit the capacity of your glamor dress is, but how limit the access to some glam pieces. Not every piece can be regain, or regain easily once you throw them away, so you tend to hoard them, which lead to the problem of capacity.



Some glam pieces are a wrestle with RNG God, like gear from end-expansion dungeons and raid which offers you no viable way to regain the piece once you throw them away, making you hoard them to the bitter end because you don't want to do it ever again. Think of collecting Shisui set vs collecting Ivalice set. Shisui runs give you one extra piece of your role per run so you will like like get all of you want within less than 10 runs. Ivalice: hope you have the RNG to get the piece appear, and hope the RNG will favor you in case someone of same role also bid on that piece.


Some glam pieces are expensive, mainly crafted primal weapons that use materials from extreme raid.


Some glam pieces are a pain to grind. Compete for good rolls on raid-gear currencies. Doing Deep Dungeon...


Regarding relic, people don't want to throw away their hard-earned sparkie, even though you give them a replica with the same effect. Replica is, well, replica, which doesn't harbor the same feeling of pride of the genuine relics. So these clog up in dresser/inventories too.



Then you have store-bought glam pieces. You will definitely never want to throw any of the set away. Personally, my character never wear hat, but I don't throw away the hat from store-bought set. As these sets always come in 2-4 items (save for onesie like Alphanaud's outfits), if you're a frequent buyers, they will flock into your glam dresser fast.



If SE offers way to make players be able to regain their precious glam pieces, perhaps they will more willing to free up space in the dresser, thus less complaints. Like, there are people grind the heck out of Garo gear because they know once the things gone, it may take a long time for the event to come back. So they grind all the gear, and happy with the ability to rebuy the gear everytime, thus saving glam dresser space when they don't use them immediately.


Of course, going back and forth for glam is tiring, but better having players trying to fit every single piece into dresser and eventually lead to lack of slots, no matter how big you expand.

He's not being flippant, he stated exactly the fact the state of the so call "community". In fact the OP and this topic proved exactly his point.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Wait, what?

I was watching a live stream and the chat filled with stuff like "He knows us too well!" "Yup!" "I know, right?!" "Ain't that the truth."

Like literally EVERYONE was agreeing with him and his comment. Not one person took offense to it. Might you be reading offense in where it wasn't intended by the speaker?

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Everyone in one of my Discords was joking that Yoshi-P had way too much faith in the community if he thought it would take 3 months and posting "No lies" memes, even though we'd all love to see an unlimited and more accessible system akin to WoW transmog.

I just wonder why it took em so long to give us the 800.

Shoulda done that years ago so we coulda gotten 1600 this time!

Or you know, a better system! ^^

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Originally Posted by ACE135

The system isn't broken just because you don't like the system or it not being how you want it to be. And the Glamour Dresser was never meant to store every single equippable item in the game.

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The system was broken from it's inception since it doesn't resolve the issue that ultimately, our very own inventory is a constant enemy. For a lot of players, every time they log on they will have to decide what equipment they now have to throw away before they can enjoy the game.

Fashion is the true end-game in an mmo yet our own inventory is an enemy to that.

I also want them to change the glamour dresser because there should be no limit...yet I also understood that Yoshida was joking. I found nothing bad in that.
Its not like he said that we should not complain about it, just that we will. I take this as a sign that they might know that their system right now is not good.

So why should they not be able to joke about something like that? Since some players here are already attacking content that we barely have information about and that they had no chance to play since its not even out now...so if we dont even give them the chance on stuff that isnt out yet, then why should they not be allowed to joke a bit? Especially if there is some truth in it. Does not mean that we cant still demand a better system.

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Originally Posted by Denji

I repeat: People thought the 2b hrothgar haircut was a joke (even translators) and look where that got us.

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I am not sure we can compare the Hrothgar hair situation with this one. IMO the hrothgar one was a bit rude. They openly laughed about the look of some of the hairsytles which they decided on. This was a hit for all of those Hrothgar players that waited so long for new hair. It was also shown around the 01.04 so some still hoped that it was not the truth.

This time though its clear we will get the increase and the devs just made some jokes that it wont be enough. There is imo nothing rude about it.

So not sure why the hair situation is brought up with this case.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

But those precious warg, imperial, and paglth'an gear... It's so ridiculously annoying to farm them :(

Unless they have other reskin as crafted gear, I can just throw them.

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This is honestly the best option, just after an expansion or two make all the dungeon gear have a craftable (and dyable) alternative. They've done this on a few things (the skallic stuff for example)

Relax Karen

Gamedev is when no jokes

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Basically every other MMO with a glamour system has unlimited storage, so yes.

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Unlimited storage you pay for, perhaps.

Blade & Soul totally eliminates the need to mix-and-match. Clothing/armor appearances do not have stats and are kept in a wardrobe where you can exchange them. It's a nice enough system, in that you can switch from PvE to PvP in-game simply by switching out your 'costume'. And they sell glamours, and they sell access to the wardrobe slots themselves, so it's win-win for that Free to Play game.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

The system was broken from it's inception since it doesn't resolve the issue that ultimately, our very own inventory is a constant enemy. For a lot of players, every time they log on they will have to decide what equipment they now have to throw away before they can enjoy the game.

Fashion is the true end-game in an mmo yet our own inventory is an enemy to that.

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The only enemy is people's lack of organization / restraint.

Calling the system broken because it doesn't work for you is just plain incorrect. It's limited. Maybe they didn't anticipate correctly 10 years ago. It is what it is and they understand that. There's not much to do other than laugh about it on occasion. The real solution lies in access to items from content that's been cleared. Nobody wants to boost that because they're still so hurt over the dresser and how broken it is.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Unlimited storage you pay for, perhaps.

Blade & Soul totally eliminates the need to mix-and-match. Clothing/armor appearances do not have stats and are kept in a wardrobe where you can exchange them. It's a nice enough system, in that you can switch from PvE to PvP in-game simply by switching out your 'costume'. And they sell glamours, and they sell access to the wardrobe slots themselves, so it's win-win for that Free to Play game.

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Are you not paying for FF14?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Are you not paying for FF14?

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Sure am. And I get way more out of that monthly fee than I have ever gotten out of a free to play game for the same amount of money. Your point?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Sure am. And I get way more out of that monthly fee than I have ever gotten out of a free to play game for the same amount of money. Your point?

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How? This is not even possible. The game doesn't give you anything for subscribing other than game time which you might even end up not using at all. Except for the veteran's rewards you don't get anything.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It is this exact dismissive attitude that many players are starting to take umbrage with.

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Would it help if YoshiP personally visited each angry reddit poster and kissed them on the forehead to heal the boo boo?

People are overreacting to this... He was making a little joke while displaying awareness of the problem.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

The system was broken from it's inception since it doesn't resolve the issue that ultimately, our very own inventory is a constant enemy. For a lot of players, every time they log on they will have to decide what equipment they now have to throw away before they can enjoy the game.

Fashion is the true end-game in an mmo yet our own inventory is an enemy to that.

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What exactly is objectively broken about the system rn? It works as it's intended to. This is why I don't claim it needs to be fixed. I say it can be improved. And frankly players that have to contend with that must be on the slim side cause that's rarely ever said. And if that IS the case sounds to me like some summer cleaning is needed. I'm certain most folks in the game hold on to crap they aren't using or care about. I know I am. That's part of why I'm not complaining. Being able to free up 2 full retainers is a ok in my book, for now ofc.

I will say it of been in bit of a bad taste considering the last time they joked about this was when they show everyone the Hrothgar hair on Apirl 1st and that was kind of a bit condensing.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

I will say it of been in bit of a bad taste considering the last time they joked about this was when they show everyone the Hrothgar hair on Apirl 1st and that was kind of a bit condensing.

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I don't know who needs to hear this, but I'm just going to say it:

This is a video game. People play it for fun as a hobby. It's just not that serious.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

I don't know who needs to hear this, but I'm just going to say it:

This is a video game. People play it for fun as a hobby. It's just not that serious.

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Sadly, I think the people who most need to hear it are the ones who will refuse to listen to it, and the people who realize the value of what you're saying are the ones who don't actually need to hear it. Look at the small cabal of dedicated complainers about everything, and the one thing they seem to have in common is taking the game ultra-seriously. FFXIV isn't that. It's something to be played for fun, and has one of the best stories and soundtracks you'll likely ever find in something that's primarily meant for fun.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Would it help if YoshiP personally visited each angry reddit poster and kissed them on the forehead to heal the boo boo?

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*knock on door*
*It's Mr. Yoshida*
*He leans forward and gives a single kiss on my forehead*
*before I am able to say anything he shuts the door on my face*
*it's somehow locked again*
*log in XIV*
*It's a single player game with instance housing, fixed healers, classes feel unique again, tons of hair options and working armor for every race*
*retcons parts of the story to the point the story is coherent again*
*cash shop items are now earnable in game*

What a dev!

IMO, if those people actually took things seriously, they would actually make a more solid effort to have their concerns reach the team. Some people are just too wound up and want to fight anyone that disagrees with their ideology. I've been told to look at this thread and that and there's so much fighting and attacking going on. Show me all the real points of data that I might possibly change my mind on something.

There are people that actually take things seriously and give proper feedback which reaches the team.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

People are overreacting to this... He was making a little joke while displaying awareness of the problem.

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Then fix the problem instead of just pushing it off with bandaid fixes to the future.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Then fix the problem instead of just pushing it off with bandaid fixes to the future.

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I'm reminded of my mechanic's tagline: "If we can't fix it, it ain't broken."

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

IMO, if those people actually took things seriously, they would actually make a more solid effort to have their concerns reach the team. Some people are just too wound up and want to fight anyone that disagrees with their ideology.

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Are you getting upset at people seeing the same old song and dance from MMO devs in large companies chasing money once the IP has been established and good will garnered? Are you really calling that an "ideology"? I wish we would just go full modern WoW and be done with it, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Are you getting upset at people seeing the same old song and dance from MMO devs in large companies chasing money once the IP has been established and good will garnered? Are you really calling that an "ideology"? I wish we would just go full modern WoW and be done with it, lol.

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In that vein WoW is a few clicks away if you'd like to head over there lol
Jokes aside I think you completely missed that person's point. Nobody here can factually say why we only get space increases and why we haven't gotten a full overhaul. People then ASSUME as you have it's all about money chasing. Some of us say we don't work at SE and this we can't claim it's about money. It could very much be them having issues doing so. It could also be they plan to wait til the graphical overhaul in 7.0 (which would make sense). The issue is to many are caught in the mindset of "no it's this because I say so". Or the folks demanding changes or fixes while being ignorant to the situation on the devs side. Trends are only that, trends. They don't say 100% what will happen or why something is happening

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

In that vein WoW is a few clicks away if you'd like to head over there lol
Jokes aside I think you completely missed that person's point. Nobody here can factually say why we only get space increases and why we haven't gotten a full overhaul. People then ASSUME as you have it's all about money chasing. Some of us say we don't work at SE and this we can't claim it's about money. It could very much be them having issues doing so. It could also be they plan to wait til the graphical overhaul in 7.0 (which would make sense). The issue is to many are caught in the mindset of "no it's this because I say so". Trends are only that, trends. They don't say 100% what will happen or why something is happening

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Runescape fell from grace because they chased money.
EQ and EQ 2 fell from grace because they chased money.
WoW fell from grace because they chased money.
Warhammer online fell from grace because... well a lot of things, but also because they chased the money (a little too hard going by the fact that their account system charged some customers repeatedly, lol)

Sorry for assuming. :^)

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Runescape fell from grace because they chased money.
EQ and EQ 2 fell from grace because they chased money.
WoW fell from grace because they chased money.
Warhammer online fell from grace because... well a lot of things, but also because they chased the money (a little too hard going by the fact that their account system charged some customers repeatedly, lol)

Sorry for assuming. :^)

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If this was solely about chasing money Yoshi wouldn't be so openly against having anything shop related in the main game. And before you talk about shop prices he doesn't decide those nor does he run that side iirc. Also why give more space is the main goal is money? The extra 400 lets people get rid of 2 retainers. That's a loss in revenue should folks decide to do that. Sorry but ill never believe its just cut n dry money chasing until I start seeing some actual anti consumer crap get added to the game

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

If this was solely about chasing money Yoshi wouldn't be so openly against having anything shop related in the main game. And before you talk about shop prices he doesn't decide those nor does he run that side iirc. Also why give more space is the main goal is money? The extra 400 lets people get rid of 2 retainers. That's a loss in revenue should folks decide to do that. Sorry but ill never believe its just cut n dry money chasing until I start seeing some actual anti consumer crap get added to the game

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So a cash shop in a game with a subscription isn't anti-consumer? Again, why fight the current? lol

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Unlimited storage you pay for, perhaps.

Blade & Soul totally eliminates the need to mix-and-match. Clothing/armor appearances do not have stats and are kept in a wardrobe where you can exchange them. It's a nice enough system, in that you can switch from PvE to PvP in-game simply by switching out your 'costume'. And they sell glamours, and they sell access to the wardrobe slots themselves, so it's win-win for that Free to Play game.

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You don't pay for unlimited storage of dyes and apparel in GW2. It's built right into the database tagged to each character.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You don't pay for unlimited storage of dyes and apparel in GW2. It's built right into the database tagged to each character.

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thats just it... "built right in"

we have no ideas of how the original glam system was implemented or how the code works. if it wasnt actually built in from day one, who knows for sure what they have to deal with. OR maybe it was, and is part of 1.0. either way, I am sure Yoshi and teh team would love for it to go away so people have one less thing to complain about. though, as he says, people will complain about it no matter what they do.

I love the tongue-n-cheek response he had because he's like me "yeah we have it in the plan to go up to 800 slots, but they'll complain again after awhile and then ask us for 1200". It's a fair response, 800 likely won't be the last limit. As more big-city instance overhead is added to the game they can certainly expand it more. Might be a few years until they need to.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

So a cash shop in a game with a subscription isn't anti-consumer? Again, why fight the current? lol

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Someone is butthurt seeing dog mounts around them all-day or something.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

So a cash shop in a game with a subscription isn't anti-consumer? Again, why fight the current? lol

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When context or what that entails is left out? Sure I'd say so. But I felt nothing anti consumer about buying my street wear. They took the extra time to create it and I bought it (for a decent price imo) because I loved the way it looks. Where's the anti consumerism there? Or are you one of those that feels it all should just be free (despite most things being just that already)? You want to talk anti consumer with shops head over to the Diablo Immortal threads.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

So a cash shop in a game with a subscription isn't anti-consumer? Again, why fight the current? lol

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That Cashshop isn't selling anything that makes the Game Pay-to-win.
Its just cosmetics and a few optional things. The game itself has PLENTY of rewards you can work and grind for, so its not like the Majority of it is going to the cashshop.

So no, FFXIVs Cash Shop is NOT Anti-Consumer.
If you want Anti-Consumer, go back to Battlefront 2 Before the Overhaul

But he isn't wrong.

And you can literally play every single job on a single character. So... Just switch jobs.

I mean, I play all the roles just fine.

People are looking for ways to be offended at this point.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

People are looking for ways to be offended at this point.

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People are looking for ways to be heard