[Suggestion] Can we get a “Hide All Players” option?

Remember the times when MMO's were just becoming a thing and the whole hook is: "Play with people all over the world!"

And now here we are in present day being anti-social as hell on a online game. This is regression at its finest.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Remember the times when MMO's were just becoming a thing and the whole hook is: "Play with people all over the world!"

And now here we are in present day being anti-social as hell on a online game. This is regression at its finest.

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"I would like to sometimes not have to deal with everyone and have some me time with the game world" = Antisocial as hell


Always gotta crank that knob to the 1 or the 11 huh?

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Remember the times when MMO's were just becoming a thing and the whole hook is: "Play with people all over the world!"

And now here we are in present day being anti-social as hell on a online game. This is regression at its finest.

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Ouch...sad but true

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

im not gonna say you cant ask for this but its like ordering a cheeseburger and then asking if they can peel the cheese off for you

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This.

I mean, you're fine to want less players in certain situations. I think rendering a lot of players is what causes mobs to "de-render" and become untargettable, at least according to what I was told.

But even if this is an RPG MMO, online interactions are part of the charm and design of the game. Can't really just be rid of it. Besides, let's face it. For such large city states, they're rather barren when it comes to NPCs. Players make areas look lively at least. Otherwise we'll end up with this awkward mess again...

https://i.imgur.com/FoGvolh.jpg

i actually think it might be a good feature situationally. rendering too many characters can take a toll on lower or even mid end systems. if i could i would absolutely enable this feature when doing hunt trains, for example.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

i actually think it might be a good feature situationally. rendering too many characters can take a toll on lower or even mid end systems. if i could i would absolutely enable this feature when doing hunt trains, for example.

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Honestly, rather than remove players completely, why not do what we already have for normal objects on the rendered area and tell the game "display only up to X amount of players"?

If anything, it'd prevent lag in Limsa.

Why does people act like OP is asking for permanent other players removal?? If it works client-side and can be switched on/off easily, we can simply un-hide players when we want to do social interaction...

And, I mean, if you want to talk about "you have to interact with people!!1!", then why don't you go bother the devs for putting Trust/duty support system? Or for putting ignore function, busy status, hide chat, hide name, etc.

Asking of option to "hide players" and "hide glams" mostly are for immersion sake, something that is harmless and a right for every player. It is just jarring when we first go to elpis or UT and there's already group of people running around, when the story is all about the WoL being the only one (or the first) who can reach such areas.

And again, people still have to interact (even if it's only "o/" and "gg") when doing trials or raids. No one ask to turn ff14 into single player rpg.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Why does people act like OP is asking for permanent other players removal?? If it works client-side and can be switched on/off easily, we can simply un-hide players when we want to do social interaction...

And, I mean, if you want to talk about "you have to interact with people!!1!", then why don't you go bother the devs for putting Trust/duty support system? Or for putting ignore function, busy status, hide chat, hide name, etc.

Asking of option to "hide players" and "hide glams" mostly are for immersion sake, something that is harmless and a right for every player. It is just jarring when we first go to elpis or UT and there's already group of people running around, when the story is all about the WoL being the only one (or the first) who can reach such areas.

And again, people still have to interact (even if it's only "o/" and "gg") when doing trials or raids. No one ask to turn ff14 into single player rpg.

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The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part.
A Hide All PCs and Glamour is literally trying to turn the game into a Single Player game where nobody exists, like a single player game. And then Dungeons and trials are treated like Multiplayer sections. Sure, whatever.

Its not really a "Right" to say I want to hide other players and Glams just because you dont like it.
Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?
You dont want to deal with people? Then just dont.

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Originally Posted by MagicPeanut

I’ve always wanted a feature like this. Sometimes, I just want to feel like I’m questing alone (Especially during MSQ /Side Story Quests when people are crowding around NPC’s.) It’s absolutely infuriating to try and talk to every NPC for extra character dialogue, only to have a big stupid Chocobo with bright butterfly wings standing on them. Not to mention the fact that I hate when someone runs in and stands exactly where I’m standing and my lala is suddenly sniffing their butt. Gross. Other things like giant whale mounts that obscure vision or a motorcycle's engine hum can be pretty annoying too. Also, I play this game primarily for the MSQ, which of course sets us up like we’re each the main character of the story. While this is a bit nitpicky, it is a bit immersion breaking to see so many WoL’s running around while I’m doing the MSQ.

To clarify, I’m not asking for a whole separate instance/server where I can be alone. Just a box to check in one of the Option menus to turn off other PCs on-screen. An even better option would be to allow the player to hide individual players outside of the option for “Hide All,” where it would persist even if you turn off “Hide All.” Some RP-AFKers genuinely get on my nerves, and I’d LOVE having the option to never see them again.

Of course, hiding players wouldn’t affect dungeons or other instances that require seeing other players in combat related areas. (Such as Eureka or Bozja.) It would also not affect party members. Just the overworld. (Which would include zones, city-states, and Gold Saucer, of course.) Maybe it’d be wonky when doing FATEs, but I still think it’d be worth it. I’m sure players on lower end PCs and older models of the PS4 on Hunt Trains would be at least somewhat appreciative of a feature like this.

I manage to somewhat improve the experience of having so many players on screen by turning off names for both them and all minions and muting performance, as well as disabling other PC's battle effects in the options, but it's no substitute for actually having a feature like this.

And of course, I get it. “It’s an MMO,” a lot of people might say. But I’m already a solo player. I would just like the option to remove everyone from my sight to feel even more alone than I already do. :D Okay well, in all seriousness, it’s just a feature that wouldn’t affect anybody outside of those using it. So why not?

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Please.

Some people don't deserve to be rendered by my GPU and waste resources from my computer, specially because blocking isn't enough.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part.
A Hide All PCs and Glamour is literally trying to turn the game into a Single Player game where nobody exists, like a single player game. And then Dungeons and trials are treated like Multiplayer sections. Sure, whatever.

Its not really a "Right" to say I want to hide other players and Glams just because you dont like it.
Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?
You dont want to deal with people? Then just dont.

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The fact that you keep ignoring how it isn't a permanent removal, and people can still socially interact when they want, tells me that you're a troll. I saw several people who made the same argument as mine, and you never bother to acknowledge it.

Do you understand the concept of immersion?

Yes, it's a right because hide players/glam is client side. You can still wear whatever you want to wear and impress people who cares about those things. Go afk in limsa and show your glam, no one forbid you. People who already doesn't care about glam won't even spare a glance at you anyway.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part.
A Hide All PCs and Glamour is literally trying to turn the game into a Single Player game where nobody exists, like a single player game. And then Dungeons and trials are treated like Multiplayer sections. Sure, whatever.

Its not really a "Right" to say I want to hide other players and Glams just because you dont like it.
Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?
You dont want to deal with people? Then just dont.

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So.. why play an MMO until you get to the parts where you do?

Why do you own a car that can go 200 mph if you don't always go 200 mph?

Why do you buy hotsauce if you're only going to eat a little at a time? Why don't you drink it with your meal?

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Originally Posted by Kozh

The fact that you keep ignoring how it isn't a permanent removal, and people can still socially interact when they want, tells me that you're a troll. I saw several people who made the same argument as mine, and you never bother to acknowledge it.

Do you understand the concept of immersion?

Yes, it's a right because hide players/glam is client side. You can still wear whatever you want to wear and impress people who cares about those things. Go afk in limsa and show your glam, no one forbid you. People who already doesn't care about glam won't even spare a glance at you anyway.

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....you dont know what a Troll is if thats how you label me.
I understand the concept of immersion just fine, and I haven't ignored anything, never even said anything about Permanent removal. Just that its silly to want to hide people and glamour in an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

So.. why play an MMO until you get to the parts where you do?

Why do you own a car that can go 200 mph if you don't always go 200 mph?

Why do you buy hotsauce if you're only going to eat a little at a time? Why don't you drink it with your meal?

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...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
There is a speed limit
And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

....you dont know what a Troll is if thats how you label me.
I understand the concept of immersion just fine, and I haven't ignored anything, never even said anything about Permanent removal. Just that its silly to want to hide people and glamour in an MMO.



...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
There is a speed limit
And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?

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So from your responses you've clearly got all battle effects turned on right?

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Originally Posted by weebtext

So from your responses you've clearly got all battle effects turned on right?

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Yes Actually.
Ive played the Tales of Games Series. So Im pretty used to Battle Effects littering the entire screen and sometimes not being able to see a quarter if not half the things happening.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Yes Actually.
Ive played the Tales of Games Series. So Im pretty used to Battle Effects littering the entire screen and sometimes not being able to see a quarter if not half the things happening.

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And you leave them on during savage/ultimate, correct?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

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...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
There is a speed limit
And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?

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Every single one of these examples are something you can use but you don't have to use ALL of or all the time.
I have a fast car, but I don't always top out it's speed.
I enjoy spicy food but I don't put hotsauce on everything I eat.


I can play an MMO but I don't always have to engage with every single person in it around me and I shouldn't have to.


Just because you are using "thing" doesn't mean you need to use ALL of "thing" all of the time.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

And you leave them on during savage/ultimate, correct?

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When I play them, yes. I even leave it on during Raids, & EX Trials and PvP.
But I dont play Savage very often, Im pretty casual, I mostly try that content with friends.
Haven't done Ultimate yet myself, lots to remember, frankly abit intimidating for me.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part?

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because they want to.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?

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because...... they want to!

you dont need any other reason. people can do whatever they want if it doesnt affect others, and hiding other players client-side would not affect others in the slightest.
if someone doesnt feel like interacting with others in a given moment, your character being visible or not would not affect the outcome.

Are people being paid to post all this garbage?
Yes we get it, sqex willl never implement this sort of thing because players being forced to see other players is one of the backbones of their revenue model
Being forced to see other people's glams, weapons, titles, always results in more engagement in the game
In sure you personally are 100% immune to propaganda, but not everyone is, and I'm sure there have been sprouts who saw someone with a glowy weapon pay more sub time trying to get the same weapon

This is why 3rd party mods is the only way to have options to hide players and hide cosmetics because it would hurt their bottom line directly
Again, I am sure you are 100% immune to these sorts of tricks because you are oh so much smarter than the average idiot, but it works.

So my question is: are you being paid by sqex to gaslight people by arguing that being forced to see other players is a necessary thing for mmos? Because it's not.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I have a fast car, but I don't always top out it's speed.

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Because there is a speed limit. Unless your are in an isolated area where you can cause no harm to others.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I enjoy spicy food but I don't put hotsauce on everything I eat.

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Same here, sometimes you can cook and eat foods without adding Hotsauce. Can ruin the food itself.
Plus heartburn and Indigestion sucks

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I can play an MMO but I don't always have to engage with every single person in it around me and I shouldn't have to.

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This is True! Just dont! I dont disagree with this at all and havent argued against it! Not sure why its a talking point.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Just because you are using "thing" doesn't mean you need to use ALL of "thing" all of the time.

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Also true! But if this is a talking point for playing an MMO it doesn't really make sense. An MMO is a Social Space with other players typically.
You dont have to socialize with them or really interact with them, but they are there as part of the experience of playing an MMO - Mass Multiplayer Online.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

--because they want to.
--because...... they want to!
--you dont need any other reason. people can do whatever they want if it doesnt affect others, and hiding other players client-side would not affect others in the slightest.
if someone doesnt feel like interacting with others in a given moment, your character being visible or not would not affect the outcome.

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--Ok
--Got it
--Never argued about it effecting anybody. Just weird to want to play an MMO and get rid of the MMO part. Not like saying that hurts anybody. Simple question and opinion.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

Are people being paid to post all this garbage?

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Is that seriously a thing?
How much does it pay to just ask a question?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

....you dont know what a Troll is if thats how you label me.
I understand the concept of immersion just fine, and I haven't ignored anything, never even said anything about Permanent removal. Just that its silly to want to hide people and glamour in an MMO.

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It's only silly because you don't even try to understand where people are coming from. If not a troll, then I would say you're an egoist. Is that better? Or do you prefer troll?

Let me explain, your argument hinged on the assumption that people who "hides players" won't interact with people, ever. Which is just plain wrong. What if people like OP decided to socially interact with others after doing their MSQ/taking a break from it? Will you still say that they're not supposed to play MMO?

Besides, if you haven't noticed already, there are already people who play this game as single player game first and MMO second right now. The game itself support such players. MSQ is 100% single player focused. We have duty finder to minimize social interaction (no need to shout LFG like in old school mmorpg). And now we have Trust system. So yeah, sorry to say bud, but people playing this game as single player game is as valid as you.

And before you have the wrong idea, no I actually don't support turning this game into full-fledged single player game. But my concern is more related to MSQ difficulty or job/trial's design, not about people being able to decide when they want to socially interact. Or, god forbid, want to have full immersion when doing the beloved and critically acclaimed MSQ story.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

When I play them, yes. I even leave it on during Raids, & EX Trials and PvP.
But I dont play Savage very often, Im pretty casual, I mostly try that content with friends.
Haven't done Ultimate yet myself, lots to remember, frankly abit intimidating for me.

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You know what else people wouldn't do often? Leaving other player characters off outside of MSQ. If people want to do the MSQ without a bunch of other players swarming around the npcs they should have that right.
Why is it fine for you to not constantly do multiplayer content but when others want the simple ability to not see other player characters you cry and demand that they must see?

Just because the game is marketed as an MMO doesn't mean literally everything in it must require interaction with others. The MSQ is not multiplayer outside of dungeons. Quests in general are not multiplayer. Crafting is not multiplayer. Beast tribes are not multiplayer. Housing is not multiplayer. Custom Deliveries aren't multiplayer. Bloody TRUSTS aren't multiplayer. If anyone's "removing" the multiplayer content it's Square Enix themselves.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Because there is a speed limit. Unless your are in an isolated area where you can cause no harm to others.


Same here, sometimes you can cook and eat foods without adding Hotsauce. Can ruin the food itself.
Plus heartburn and Indigestion sucks

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And in MMO's overexposure to others can be tiring/exasperating and there are rules against what people do to each other that get broken as well. You're concentrating much to much on the reality constraint and not the equivalence to what you're suggesting that if you sometimes don't wish to engage in every part of an MMO experience you should just not play the MMO.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This is True! Just dont! I dont disagree with this at all and havent argued against it! Not sure why its a talking point.

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Except you're arguing that if someone doesn't wish to they should just not play.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Also true! But if this is a talking point for playing an MMO it doesn't really make sense. An MMO is a Social Space with other players typically.
You dont have to socialize with them or really interact with them, but they are there as part of the experience of playing an MMO - Mass Multiplayer Online.

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They don't HAVE to be at all times is the point I'm making. Disney world tourists are "part of the experience" of visiting Disney world but if you could break real world physics and somehow make it so you didn't have to deal with them if only some of the time so you could get a nice picture without some 300 pound sweaty person in a tank top in the background.. wouldn't that be nice?

Viola welcome to video games where you can.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

It's only silly because you don't even try to understand where people are coming from. If not a troll, then I would say you're an egoist. Is that better? Or do you prefer troll?

Let me explain, your argument hinged on the assumption that people who "hides players" won't interact with people, ever. Which is just plain wrong. What if people like OP decided to socially interact with others after doing their MSQ/taking a break from it? Will you still say that they're not supposed to play MMO?

Besides, if you haven't noticed already, there are already people who play this game as single player game first and MMO second right now. The game itself support such players. MSQ is 100% single player focused. We have duty finder to minimize social interaction (no need to shout LFG like in old school mmorpg). And now we have Trust system. So yeah, sorry to say bud, but people playing this game as single player game is as valid as you.

And before you have the wrong idea, no I actually don't support turning this game into full-fledged single player game. But my concern is more related to MSQ difficulty or job/trial's design, not about people being able to decide when they want to socially interact. Or, god forbid, want to have full immersion when doing the beloved and critically acclaimed MSQ story.

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Neither sound accurate, I guess more dismissive or hostile? IDK. Either way, Troll and Egotist dont sounds accurate.
Also...inaccurate...my entire "argument" is just why play an MMO if you want to hide people. Its surface level and VERY simple and straight to the point. You dont want to deal with other people. Don't. Ive said that a couple of times I think.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

You know what else people wouldn't do often? Leaving other player characters off outside of MSQ. If people want to do the MSQ without a bunch of other players swarming around the npcs they should have that right.
Why is it fine for you to not constantly do multiplayer content but when others want the simple ability to not see other player characters you cry and demand that they must see?

Just because the game is marketed as an MMO doesn't mean literally everything in it must require interaction with others. The MSQ is not multiplayer outside of dungeons. Quests in general are not multiplayer. Crafting is not multiplayer. Beast tribes are not multiplayer. Housing is not multiplayer. Custom Deliveries aren't multiplayer. Bloody TRUSTS aren't multiplayer. If anyone's "removing" the multiplayer content it's Square Enix themselves.

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So is this becoming an argument that just because I asked why take out what makes an MMO, means that I should be forced to play Savage/Ultimate?
Im not sure I follow this reasoning. Im also lost where there is this idea that I cryed and demanded that you need to see other peoples characters.

Again, Ive said many times..or at least a couple of times..that if you dont want to interact with others...dont.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

And in MMO's overexposure to others can be tiring/exasperating and there are rules against what people do to each other that get broken as well. You're concentrating much to much on the reality constraint and not the equivalence to what you're suggesting that if you sometimes don't wish to engage in every part of an MMO experience you should just not play the MMO.

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So are you saying these people cant literally be ignored?
I mean sure its a different story if they are harassing you, but otherwise if you dont want to interact..simply dont,
At this point Im convinced people wanna argue and fight on ignoring VS getting a switch off button. heck we already have a block button/Banlist if you really just dont want to interact.
I Havent suggested to not play an mmo, I simply asked why play an MMO if you want other people off the screen.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Except you're arguing that if someone doesn't wish to they should just not play.

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Quote Please.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

They don't HAVE to be at all times is the point I'm making. Disney world tourists are "part of the experience" of visiting Disney world but if you could break real world physics and somehow make it so you didn't have to deal with them if only some of the time so you could get a nice picture without some 300 pound sweaty person in a tank top in the background.. wouldn't that be nice?

Viola welcome to video games where you can.

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Pffft we all wish we could break real world Physics I tell ya!
Would be nice. So if it somehow was never clear, I didnt argue that this couldnt happen, and I never mentioned to not play an MMO.
If they decide for themselves to make this a feature, Id still say its a silly feature, but I am in no way telling people they cant have it. Not even gonna call them lesser for using it. I did not once say that.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So are you saying these people cant literally be ignored?
I mean sure its a different story if they are harassing you, but otherwise if you dont want to interact..simply dont,

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some people make it VERY difficult and right now if you wish to use or exist in a "public" space in FFXIV you have to deal with whomever is there.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

At this point Im convinced people wanna argue and fight on ignoring VS getting a switch off button. heck we already have a block button/Banlist if you really just dont want to interact.

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Those options only stop them from directly chatting to you or you seeing what they're saying, they still digitally render on your screen and depending on glamour and character size can be exceedingly hard to "ignore".

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I Havent suggested to not play an mmo, I simply asked why play an MMO if you want other people off the screen.
Quote Please.

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Being as charitable as I can, since you in reciprocation have NOT been antagonistic (on purpose)..

If this is truly your only question then the answer is:
Because FFXIV (and other MMO's) offer experiences, locations, aesthetics, and environments to play in with game elements to interact with that are engaging, beautiful and entertaining as well as unique. I play an MMO that contains many aspects of entertainment, some of which are entirely enjoyable and sometimes even more so without other people around or intruding on the experience.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Pffft we all wish we could break real world Physics I tell ya!
Would be nice. So if it somehow was never clear, I didnt argue that this couldnt happen, and I never mentioned to not play an MMO.
If they decide for themselves to make this a feature, Id still say its a silly feature, but I am in no way telling people they cant have it. Not even gonna call them lesser for using it. I did not once say that.

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IF... truly your statement is at face value and not some sort of weird virtue signal or word twist then fine. I have answered your question. Many people play MMO's because of what they are made of as far as content, not necessarily because other people are there.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So is this becoming an argument that just because I asked why take out what makes an MMO, means that I should be forced to play Savage/Ultimate?
Im not sure I follow this reasoning. Im also lost where there is this idea that I cryed and demanded that you need to see other peoples characters.

Again, Ive said many times..or at least a couple of times..that if you dont want to interact with others...dont.

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You're not doing all the available multiplayer content in this multiplayer game. You're anti-social. Let's get rid of the MSQ, since it's not part of what makes an MMO :)

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Except you're arguing that if someone doesn't wish to they should just not play.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Quote Please.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You are literally in the wrong game if you want to be alone.

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Usually saying "you're in the wrong game" means you're telling people they should quit.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

You're not doing all the available multiplayer content in this multiplayer game. You're anti-social. Let's get rid of the MSQ, since it's not part of what makes an MMO :)

Usually saying "you're in the wrong game" means you're telling people they should quit.

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lol, cute.
Not even what I said.
Or is that targeted at me and your calling ME anti-social?
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Thats a fine interpretation...but its also the wrong interpretation.
I didnt tell anybody to quit, even the quote you used didnt even say that.
How you may think it sounds, is not the same as what I actually did say, or what I meant by it. If you or anybody need clarification to my words, please ask. Then ridicule me after you understand me.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

---Being as charitable as I can, since you in reciprocation have NOT been antagonistic (on purpose)..
If this is truly your only question then the answer is:
Because FFXIV (and other MMO's) offer experiences, locations, aesthetics, and environments to play in with game elements to interact with that are engaging, beautiful and entertaining as well as unique. I play an MMO that contains many aspects of entertainment, some of which are entirely enjoyable and sometimes even more so without other people around or intruding on the experience.

--IF... truly your statement is at face value and not some sort of weird virtue signal or word twist then fine. I have answered your question. Many people play MMO's because of what they are made of as far as content, not necessarily because other people are there.

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Ive been nothing but straight Foreword. Even under fire I have tried to be as clear as possible; repeating myself and not lash out,
If I was antagonistic, I hate that I somehow would come off that way, Im not here to get into fights or police anybody. Wasnt even the goal of my Original Post.

My mind remains unchanged that I personally find it silly...but I do respect the answers you have given me, as they were clear and not Antagonistic. And hey, everyone has a preference and everyone plays the game differently. Not here to tell anybody otherwise. :)

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Thats a fine interpretation...but its also the wrong interpretation.
I didnt tell anybody to quit, even the quote you used didnt even say that.

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I'll say it again for you, usually saying "you're in the wrong game" means you're telling people they should quit. Understand that. It doesn't matter what you think it meant, pretty much everyone interpreted it the same way.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

My mind remains unchanged that I personally find it silly...but I do respect the answers you have given me, as they were clear and not Antagonistic. And hey, everyone has a preference and everyone plays the game differently. Not here to tell anybody otherwise. :)

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Why have you been against the possibility of this feature then if everyone plays the game differently?

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Originally Posted by weebtext

--I'll say it again for you, usually saying "you're in the wrong game" means you're telling people they should quit. Understand that. It doesn't matter what you think it meant, pretty much everyone interpreted it the same way.
--Why have you been against the possibility of this feature then if everyone plays the game differently?

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--I read and understood you the 1st time...and its still the wrong interpretation.
I never said that, and you or anybody thinking thats what I meant grossly misunderstood me.
Dont wanna take my word for it? Ok fine. But Ive explained myself

--I wasn't. Never once said I was.
I even said ""If they decide for themselves to make this a feature, Id still say its a silly feature, but I am in no way telling people they cant have it. Not even gonna call them lesser for using it"" Where in any of my messages have I claimed that I was Against the Possibility of this Feature?
Because I can tell you I said the Opposite

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Do you understand the concept of immersion?

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i dont think im gonna be more immersed seeing what patchwork horrors hide behind peoples glamours.

I disagree, I honestly think its SE's fault for trying to make this game cater to everyone, its hard to please everyone and it just leads to conflict. So the game wants to be an MMO...but also single player? I don't know, it feels like SE doesn't know really what is wants FF14 to be anymore. It feels like they're just trying to chase after the crowd that want single player games but trying to make it fit into what is an MMo its very jarring...

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I disagree, I honestly think its SE's fault for trying to make this game cater to everyone, its hard to please everyone and it just leads to conflict. So the game wants to be an MMO...but also single player? I don't know, it feels like SE doesn't know really what is wants FF14 to be anymore. It feels like they're just trying to chase after the crowd that want single player games but trying to make it fit into what is an MMo its very jarring...

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The reality is that people complained that there's not enough solo content because some don't want to interact with others in an MMO, specifically with how toxic and report happy some can be when it comes to criticism or offering advice. Considering that the FF series has always been a traditionally solo experience, I'm not entirely shocked that they're catering to those who are asking for it. The game isn't trying to be single player, the MSQ has always been the way it is now, it's just offering an option for those who want it in terms of 4 man content. The rest is still required to be played with real people and I highly doubt they're going to change that. If people don't want to step outside the NPC based content, that's their choice.

To be fair, 4 man trusts for all dungeon content makes leveling dps jobs quicker with the lack of a queue...

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

"I would like to sometimes not have to deal with everyone and have some me time with the game world" = Antisocial as hell


Always gotta crank that knob to the 1 or the 11 huh?

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There is a plethora of Singleplayer games where you can just not need to deal with people, if you play an MMO (MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE) game then you are just harming yourself for playing the wrong game.

I am not cranking it up to 11, I am stating sad truths.
If I really want to crank it up to 11, I would be accusing people that want this feature wanting to change this into an MMO style Twitter because the amount of features that platform has to try and block out people from out of your sight and mind are many.

Are there MMOs that have similar features? How would that interact with your perceived world if you just hid them? Would they be just invisible for you but can still (for example) attack enemies in your surrounding? Clear FATEs? Do you want your own instanced sandbox of the game world? Does such a feature have potential to be profitable for the time it needs to be developed? I have no clue about programming but these are the first questions I have in mind when reading the suggestion.

I don't want to get into the argument what implications such a feature would have for an MMO, but I think the effort and outcome for such a feature is already something to think about imo.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

There is a plethora of Singleplayer games where you can just not need to deal with people, if you play an MMO (MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE) game then you are just harming yourself for playing the wrong game.

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Those games do not have FFXIVs world, characters, gameplay, items and aesthetic. I am not harming ANYTHING by wanting not to engage with the rest of the player base once in a while. I'm paying a sub just like everyone else to enjoy the parts of the game I like and how I like.

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I am not cranking it up to 11, I am stating sad truths.

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But it's not a truth that playing an MMO means you HAVE to always engage with the other players. It has the option, but it's not a condition. Several games I play that are MMO's are demonstrative of this. FFXIV is actually one of them for a great amount of its story content.

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If I really want to crank it up to 11, I would be accusing people that want this feature wanting to change this into an MMO style Twitter because the amount of features that platform has to try and block out people from out of your sight and mind are many.

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Good thing you are not, because that's pretty ... how do the kids say... cringe.

What I mean by 11 is this game isn't "participate and interact with everyone at all times". As I stated before there are 1's (like fishing or most MSQ quests) and there are 11's (like Raids). Your response is acting like the entire game is just 11 from login to logout.

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Originally Posted by Leranas

Are there MMOs that have similar features? How would that interact with your perceived world if you just hid them? Would they be just invisible for you but can still (for example) attack enemies in your surrounding? Clear FATEs? Do you want your own instanced sandbox of the game world? Does such a feature have potential to be profitable for the time it needs to be developed? I have no clue about programming but these are the first questions I have in mind when reading the suggestion.

I don't want to get into the argument what implications such a feature would have for an MMO, but I think the effort and outcome for such a feature is already something to think about imo.

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I think it's safe to say every MMO has options for scaling things back to different extents. As I recall, EQ2 has an option to hide mounts. It and EQ1 have had options for displaying different character models.

It's not like this is a new feature in XIV. Gpose already has the capability to filter out anything and everything. All people are looking for is a way to filter things out in the more inconsequential areas.

Why hiding people is such an awful thing is beyond me, especially when you have people that just log in to be "decoration". If you really want to ask the question "why bother?" ask those people, not we who are simply looking for a more pleasant active experience.

This whole argument is kind of nuts to me, tbh. Yes, I know I'm playing an MMO, I enjoy its MMO-ness, I enjoy the social element of the game, I enjoy seeing other characters in the world, etc., but not always. Wanting to take a visual break for a bit doesn't mean I don't like MMOs and shouldn't be playing one?

Hell, it's like sunglasses. I love the summer sun, I love the vitamin D (fuck seasonal affective disorder), I love being out in the sun. But sometimes the sun makes my eyes hurt. Sometimes the sun makes it hard for me to see important things outside. Sometimes I wear sunglasses to improve my outdoor summer experience. Do sunglasses remove the sun? No, they just make it more tolerable when it's sunniest. But somehow, wearing sunglasses means actually I don't like the sun and really I should just go inside if I'm not going to enjoy the full, unadulterated experience of the sun. In fact, let's just stare directly at it! But here's the best part about sunglasses! You can put them on and take them off at will, and it doesn't impact literally anyone else.

Not to mention that the functionality already exists (in gpose), so I don't really buy the "but muh dev resources" argument.

Let people play the game they want to play. It doesn't impact anyone else, and it would aid player retention, which just gives SE more money to make this MMO that we all love (even if we sometimes want to feel alone in it).

I think if we get people even angrier, we could get this thread to 20 pages! We already have a few personally invested schizos arguing back and forth, me included, so lets make sure this keeps on going, rehashing the same things over and over, and making the same awful analogies that really don't work. If there's one thing I have picked up on about FFXIV players, it's that for some reason they think the game should specifically cater to them and what they want (I assume because the devs have sold them this lie, which is just remarkably stupid, no game will ever cater perfectly to you) and get REALLY mad when people suggest that no, actually, the game can't and shouldn't do so.

If you’re not interested in seeing other human players, then with all due respect, why are you playing an MMO rather than any other number of role-playing games?

Also, if everyone else becomes invisible to you, then would the reverse also apply? Otherwise, that might lead to a sense of paranoia with many people wondering if they’re actually being seen.

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This whole argument is kind of nuts to me, tbh. Yes, I know I'm playing an MMO, I enjoy its MMO-ness, I enjoy the social element of the game, I enjoy seeing other characters in the world, etc., but not always. Wanting to take a visual break for a bit doesn't mean I don't like MMOs and shouldn't be playing one?

Hell, it's like sunglasses. I love the summer sun, I love the vitamin D (fuck seasonal affective disorder), I love being out in the sun. But sometimes the sun makes my eyes hurt. Sometimes the sun makes it hard for me to see important things outside. Sometimes I wear sunglasses to improve my outdoor summer experience. Do sunglasses remove the sun? No, they just make it more tolerable when it's sunniest. But somehow, wearing sunglasses means actually I don't like the sun and really I should just go inside if I'm not going to enjoy the full, unadulterated experience of the sun. In fact, let's just stare directly at it! But here's the best part about sunglasses! You can put them on and take them off at will, and it doesn't impact literally anyone else.

Not to mention that the functionality already exists (in gpose), so I don't really buy the "but muh dev resources" argument.

Let people play the game they want to play. It doesn't impact anyone else, and it would aid player retention, which just gives SE more money to make this MMO that we all love (even if we sometimes want to feel alone in it).

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Ackshually. Unless said player buys something from the Mogstation its not helping ffxiv at all.