Disadvantage for male characters

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Well, statistically speaking the majority of the playerbase are female characters... so from a business standpoint there is nothing wrong with having 5 extra female sets.

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Do you have recent data to confirm this? Because the last data set i saw the gap between male to female was not wide at all.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's a character piece and I'm of the opinion that those should actually be left alone, aside from the adjustments they make to fit other races. It seems like they feel that way as well, seeking to preserve the integrity of that piece they made. It's not always about the money. It's definitely about the work that would go into adding further customization.

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I guess I'll just have to accept that.

Edit: Changed my mind. **** that.

*Raises hand*
Um... how is having a smaller wardrobe a disadvantage?

I generally go 'phew' when a cash shop item I have 0 use for or interest in releases. Less money to spend.

One person saying a lot of the nier raid female outfits are designed better, to me it just sounds like you like dresses but also chose to play a male character so you can't wear all those. If limited access to dresses and similar is such a problem maybe play a female character. I like the male variants, a lot of the male variant of outfit females would also like. But I won't swap gender to play em.

Also comparing the quality of SB era outfits to ShB, ofc the later ones look of a higher quality with less visible pixels.

Others have pointed out there are plenty male outfits on the cash shop, getting 2 female in a row doesn't really matter. If we had 5-10 female only release in a row sure.. but even then it's a cash shop item not an in game item, idk why people would be clamouring for something they need to pay MORE for. It's an extra. Not to mention those outfits have the least customisation. I won't be buying the lyse outfit since it is a one piece and also undyeable, not buying it simply for another hairstyle I know I won't use.

Not enough realy short shorts, the girls get all the good short shorts...

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Is it only me, or do you guys also feel like, that male characters are a little bit in disadvantage in this game?

In my opionen the female sets often look more well designed. But what I mean today is..., that there is again new glam in the Mogshop and again it is just something new for the girls. Last time they gave us the Ryne set for girls. Now Lyse, and again, if you play a male character, there is nothing for you. Just can make a face like this, when looking in the shop ò.ó
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Maybe it's just me. But I feel very often in disadvantage with a male character. How do you feel about this? :)

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'Disadvantage' in what, costume contests? Women get all the clothes, same as in real life. But hey, you're playing a woman, so you can deal that way.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

How many players you see running around cosplaying any of these characters on a daily basis? I only see bits n pieces of Thancred from time to time.

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Snow's outfit seems fairly well used, or certainly was for a while. Possibly falling out of fashion now. And I've come across people using the other outfits occasionally.

And to be fair, I don't see anyone cosplaying the female characters on a daily basis either. They're more common to see than the male character outfits, but not to the point that it seems repetitive.

Personally I have outfits set up with Gosetsu's pants and (separately!) Cid's goggles. And though I'd bought it primarily for the goggles, I actually used Cid's outfit as an AST glamour for a while, and really liked how it looked on my character (though being able to mix and match it would be better). There are other pieces I would potentially use if I had an outfit in mind to use them with.

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Originally Posted by Milus

Not enough realy short shorts, the girls get all the good short shorts...

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It's always such a bummer to me whenever they add new gear where the female version of pants is something... let's call it "unique"? while male characters just end up with boring full length pants for the billionth time...

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

One person saying a lot of the nier raid female outfits are designed better, to me it just sounds like you like dresses but also chose to play a male character so you can't wear all those. If limited access to dresses and similar is such a problem maybe play a female character. I like the male variants, a lot of the male variant of outfit females would also like.

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You're not wrong. Although it would be nice to have both options available to either character genders, no? Anecdotally, I've known a few female friends of mine who wishes they're not shoved with miniskirts because they wanted pants. I too had some moments I wish I can put on those skirts/dresses instead of being shoven a full tablecloth wrap/boring full length pants. The recently unlocked glamour pieces like Boulevardiers, Frontiers, & Rathalos are a positive QoLs for me.

But then again...

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But I won't swap gender to play em.

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Exactly my thought.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Do you have recent data to confirm this? Because the last data set i saw the gap between male to female was not wide at all.

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Last I checked using the Lucky Bancho figures (believe it's January ones), after the addition of male Viera, it's around 55/45 (f/m), and this was an increase over some months prior, where it had gone 58/42 (following the WoW "exodus"), in turn an increase over Feb 2021, where it was something like 61/39 - with figures generally skewing more towards male chars excl Japan. There's a majority of females but it's not so great as to justify ignoring what is now over 2/5ths of the playerbase, tbh, or giving them less favourable treatment; you can just end up creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that way, anyway, and the gap really isn't that big.

I met a lot of people who play girls just because they get more and more well designed glam. :/
It was the same with Viera. People wanted to play them, but were tiered of it because of the restrictions und broken promises from SE. It's no good argument to say it would be okay because something is played less, when it's played less because the support is not good.
Maybe we see a change now that Viera boys are there and people like them. So more people are somehow complaining about restrictions and less well designed glam for males in general. :')

I don't think that it would be a good idea to adjust all the dresses and skirts for males. It does not look good most of the time. But why they can't make more interesting male glamour? That's the point. Why Alphi and Urianger are wearing only jobglam? Why Ramza got nothing unique, while his less important sister get a unique dress? And so on and so on.

And why the boys get no pants? xD
I like both, long trousers AND pants. But SE only wants to give long trousers to males. We get some of the female lv1 pants now, but that's really not much. For example I would like to wear that pants you can unlock with fashion report in Gold Saucer. When I got them I was so disappointed, when I realized that it's 'no pants' for me.
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I know it's not the nicest thing to say. But I think, most of the female char players have no imagination what we are talking about here. They have most of the good stuff and can't feel the struggle on the other side. That's okay at all. But don't try to say, it would be all okay and fair, that male chars are less supported und loved, when it comes to glamour and cosmetics in general. This makes me sad and I don't understand it. :/

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Is it only me, or do you guys also feel like, that male characters are a little bit in disadvantage in this game?

In my opionen the female sets often look more well designed. But what I mean today is..., that there is again new glam in the Mogshop and again it is just something new for the girls. Last time they gave us the Ryne set for girls. Now Lyse, and again, if you play a male character, there is nothing for you. Just can make a face like this, when looking in the shop ò.ó
xD

Maybe it's just me. But I feel very often in disadvantage with a male character. How do you feel about this? :)

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The thing I find unfair in this case isn't even the design of their attires. It's that the haircut they released is genderlocked. Just give me the tail, I WILL pay for the entire set for the sake of it.

We have Aymeric attire with male-locked clothers and unisex haircut, what's the problem with Lyse's ponytail, c'mon. :/

At this point we have 2 female-only haircuts with nothing for male characters in return (Minfilia and Lyse), it's just a pain. 3.0 Y'shtola at least had 3.0 Thancred as her counterpart. Don't have the counterpart version? Make the haircut unisex then, deal.

Male characters are making up to 45% of population, it's not like we're some kind of a rare unicorn to just sweep us aside.

this is why femroes are the ultimate weapons
they look cool in armor and such like males but also get the cool female exclusive bonus

99% sure it's due to the models. The character models are a little janky as it is like they took a human and had to mold the body so that they could fit armor on them, and then the armor itself sort of "corrects" the shape of the body. I don't know how else to describe it but seriously, if you go look at an artist model and then take some sculpy, it's kind of interesting.

And yet another female hairstyle is supposedly shown in the new event…. Woohoo

I barely see anyone use these NPC ouftis a month after they launch. Not saying nobody uses them, just that it's not as often as I would have thought. Y'shtola's Scion Healer Boots were used for a long time until the 2B items came. Occasionally I'll see someone using Ryne's outfit or Omega-F. Usually sprout characters with stuff they still need to farm I reckon. Outside of that, the only things I really see are the hairstyles. Lightings Hairstyle the most used, probably used more than any outfit.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

It's sights like that which make me wish for a toggle to turn other PC into default job gear so I don't have to see their horrible fashion sense xD

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I need to visit limsa after seeing that picture. Numerous cat girls shall wash my damaged eyes.

Aaand I'm pretty sure the player is a troll.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I met a lot of people who play girls just because they get more and more well designed glam. :/

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My own FC leader would fantasia to a female character just because he wanted to enjoy the glams he got.

Because when you're a male character, stuff already tends to look rather bland.

When you're using Roegadyn-type bodies, stuff just gets stretched out. Some jackets go from looking normal to looking like Brunnhilde about to sing Götterdammerung.

TLDR: We look like bloody plus-sized opera singers in half the casting gear. What the actual hell.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

Aymeric, Cid, Papalymo, Urianger, Thancred, Snow, Alphinaud, Omega M, Tidus, Hidabrand, Hien,

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Alphinaud is a guy!?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

TLDR: We look like bloody plus-sized opera singers in half the casting gear. What the actual hell.

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Not even, at least opera singers have curves. Roegadyn look like frikin Lego figures in a lot of sets that even Hrothgar can pull off

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

And yet another female hairstyle is supposedly shown in the new event…. Woohoo

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Gear designer is female btw :)

Imagine having long and short hairstyles that can actually look good on a male character, specially hyur.

Yes, I can't see it happening unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

Imagine having long and short hairstyles that can actually look good on a male character, specially hyur.

Yes, I can't see it happening unfortunately.

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its mainly race and style dependent

like Great lengths looks good on my au ra but when that comes to Viera 100% expecting my forehead to have the ability to show advertising on it

I am mostly disappointed about the neo-ishgard lv 80 sets for males. The female ones are fancy and look really like something new meanwhile the male ones don't even look like they are supposed to be the same set and remind of older gear designs we already have. Not that I want a dress for males, but I expected it to look just as fancy as the female version.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Not even, at least opera singers have curves. Roegadyn look like frikin Lego figures in a lot of sets that even Hrothgar can pull off

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The thing with Hrothgars is that they have better proportions, though I'm not sure if "better" is a correct word here. They're just more human-like (as ironic as it is for a beast-looking race). Their default idle stance might make some glamours look weird, but as soon as you make them stand straight (with /lean or any of their idle stances) they look pretty good in probably majority of what you'd wear on them.

With Roe (especially male) what destroys a lot of clothes for them is their lack of slim waist (or, rather, the fact the most glamour options are centered around having one). Their figure isn't nececcarily bad (I find it okay honestly), it's just that the gear designers should remember that Roe are unique in this regard and pay their clothes a bit more attention, which... they apparently don't most of the time. (Same applies for Lalafells with some sets, though generally they look okay in most things).

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

I am mostly disappointed about the neo-ishgard lv 80 sets for males. The female ones are fancy and look really like something new meanwhile the male ones don't even look like they are supposed to be the same set and remind of older gear designs we already have. Not that I want a dress for males, but I expected it to look just as fancy as the female version.

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That's it. It feels like..., they put much more love in the female designes. And I am somehow sad, that with 6.15 there seems to be no adjustment for Thancred hairstyle for Viera boys. Our girls got Lyse and we still just can make this face: ò.ó

I mean, cmon.... :/
It's the ONLY male hairstyle in the shop. Can't be that hard to adjust this one for the boys or make Lyse's one unisex.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

I am mostly disappointed about the neo-ishgard lv 80 sets for males. The female ones are fancy and look really like something new meanwhile the male ones don't even look like they are supposed to be the same set and remind of older gear designs we already have. Not that I want a dress for males, but I expected it to look just as fancy as the female version.

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I like both, full male chest piece looks great but it is tiresome having this constant drastic variations on gender gear.
When the last Nier raid dropped, i was just exhausted from looking the aiming/striking/scouting stuff. Stuff that i wanted went to male so it was just just bleh.

So in the end, no one wins for me.

I've seen so many people who love the male Neo-Ishgardian gear. Wishing they could use it on female characters, even.

I think it's one of the few things that looks good on all of my characters. My only disappointment is that the tank coat is completely different to the main steampunk style and should have been a ruffled shirt to match the dress. Though I notice that it was used as the "Garlean Beastmaster uniform" in Bozja and I guess they needed the coat style for that.

Neo-Ishgardian was literally the first time I liked fending gear, they should do this more often.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You mean like all of the veteran rewards?

The other male outfits in game like the ff12 outfits?


Again, you are focusing solely on Mogstation outfits lol.

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The KEY difference here is that what you're calling 'male' outfits here can still be equipped and worn by female characters, while the ones the OP complained about cannot be equipped by male characters at all.

Whether you subjectively like the aesthetic or not isn't relevant, you still have the option to use those items.
Male characters have objectively fewer items that they can use. This isn't up for debate, SE themselves have admitted it and taken steps to start fixing the problem by (slowly) removing gender locks on existing gear.

Unfortunately, no mogstation gear has been included in those unlocks as of yet, and people playing male characters understandably would like to know if and when that will change.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Female hairstyle for females. You're better off asking for Estinien's new hairstyle. They are literally the same.

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And if we get Estinien's hairstyle it'll either be unisex or players with female characters will make a fuss until it gets made unisex, again.

Aren't there way more female characters than males in this game?

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Aren't there way more female characters than males in all game?

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I fixed that for you, although i fail to see how that's relevant regardless.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You got 9s outfit as part of the raid. And that is no countering all of the vet rewards with 1 outfit.

Again.

Cloud but no tifa/aerith
Squal but no rinoa
Zidane but no w/o was from ix (I never played it)
We have both from 10
All but ashe from 12 because she was excluded for some reason
Equal for 13
I don't know the ff6 and below outfits.

"but you have 2b". And you have 9s, females don't get that, they get dresses and butts (whoopdefreaking do, butts)

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Stop it right there buddy.
These are Uni sex clothes and These look dam good on both genders so...
The veteran gear was ment to pull in fan of those games to say here we have you favorite MC clothes not here you go men
Tidus/ Yuna was first an a event glam but Yuna also has her Own game so
Lightning also had glam with snow these are outliers and also werent apart of Vets rewards
If you want to complain about that ask SE to Make more female MCs or add all the characters in FF series

Also you must not understand the significance of the 2b leggings it was massive.. but Im was nvr one to ask for them on a male character

Honestly IDC if females have more glam and I dont want their glam I just want good glam that I can use to fit my char fantasies
Why does every other piece of gear have to be randomly A symmetrical
why dont I have a Vincent glam or a Auron which have better drip then Cloud or Tidus
why are there not any arm wraps like bandages so I can look like a Muay Thai boxer etc

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Originally Posted by Vatom

why are there not any arm wraps like bandages so I can look like a Muay Thai boxer etc

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You could try the Pagos Field Dressing gloves, from Eureka Pagos boxes, but also sold on the marketboard.

But yeah, would love some more masculine outfits. though I am ok with androgynous attire.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Aren't there way more female characters than males in this game?

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Even if thats the case, for NPCs you generaly want a good balance, and just having more outfits for those can still do a good thing. If males get less and less outfits, they at some point might just go female for those options.

But the issue i see is that clothing is often related to unrealistic standards (especialy women have been often offended here). For men its diffirent in that we simply dont care as often (its far less a measurement in dating for example). This simply allows them to go for more extreme options in clothing. But yes, if they go too far, i can imagine some people complaining, because its effectively still an unrealistic standard.

Even just for the NPCs i would like to see more options. Most of the time the male clothes just appear too generic.

Don't complain about males not getting outfits because most female ones was converted to let males use them.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Don't complain about males not getting outfits because most female ones was converted to let males use them.

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The male equivalent of those clothes was unlocked for females as well, so I don't really understand your point. Doesn't help that it's a lot of dresses which look stupid on most male characters, meanwhile the unlocked male stuff looks good on female characters.
The only converted outfit I can think of right now is the gold saucer bunny outfit, and that one is a disappointment imo since I expected it to be something made for male only as an equal and not a female outfit unlocked for males.

If you are in it for the glam then yeah, males are second class in the glam department

It's opinion. I don't like how any of the girls look in this game (except female roes, I guess).

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Don't complain about males not getting outfits because most female ones was converted to let males use them.

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Maybe some people don't want to wear maid dresses or bunny playboy outfits either? What a stupid thing to say lol