[Petition] Have Naoki Yoshida Play Healer and take off the DPS Gloves for a year.

All up for it. Make him play the most trash parts of the game to see what he did.

I didn't get to play with YoshiP during the ARR launch, but he played Black Mage on controller with the next table during the Titan Challenge. Of course, it's his baby since the beginning and always will be. The job can never be the best nor can it ever be behind. Has a pretty good quality of life at 90, real fluid job.

Foxclon is a White Mage main. He posts his farming ventures on twitter a lot so he does play when he's not working quite a bit. I just look at Sage as the designers seem to understand what people want, just the battle content team needs to align more content that uses the full kit like often, and stop hand holding casual content too much. We'll see what ultimate is on the heal test scale.

This would just mean that that one healer would be awesome, it wouldn't really save healers as a role.

As it is currently he plays BLM, and it's well designed, the other DPS not so much anymore.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Oh and while we’re at it, let’s change the name of the role from healer to support. Because that’s exactly what you people seem to want. Most of y’all don’t heal as it is and causing unnecessary party/raid wipes. So yeah let’s rename the healer role to just support with just a few unique heals for each. Kinda like in pvp.

Let’s give every job their own unique spam heal that uses mp just like in pvp. That way the new support can have all these pretty amazing new dps tools and rotations.

I’m sure you all would love that. Let’s do it. Get the petitions ready. Let’s do it.

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Yaknow we would love to heal if they didn't make healing in this game so pathetic and predictable that theres nothing to it.
Also do you even play a difficulty higher than normal? How is anyone dying to from lack of heals?

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Originally Posted by technole

I didn't get to play with YoshiP during the ARR launch, but he played Black Mage on controller with the next table during the Titan Challenge. Of course, it's his baby since the beginning and always will be. The job can never be the best nor can it ever be behind. Has a pretty good quality of life at 90, real fluid job.

Foxclon is a White Mage main. He posts his farming ventures on twitter a lot so he does play when he's not working quite a bit. I just look at Sage as the designers seem to understand what people want, just the battle content team needs to align more content that uses the full kit like often, and stop hand holding casual content too much. We'll see what ultimate is on the heal test scale.

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->Whm was released with misery potency unadjusted for the new glare, holy missing the 1,5 cast to weave heals, lilybell being less powerful than other equivalent heals and with the lowest hps, dps and worst mp management. Idk how much foxclon mains it but either he actually doesn't main it and is unaware of the disjointed mess they created or he has no saying in job design cause no Whm main that knows his shit on earth would have greenlit 6.0 Whm. (Same with 4.0 Whm and 5.0 to some extent)

->People were asking for more offensive options and our feedback to be acknowledged, Sage has the same offensive actions as Whm which was never considered an ofensive healer (and now even less than whm since misery can be a gain) and in the healing department is a Sch clone with free Aetherflow heals. That coudn't be more far from what people was asking for so no, Sage if anything show that either they don't know what people want or outright refuse to do it. The feedback, other of the things healer mains were asking for, hasn't been acknowledge either with Yoshi-p statements at the beggining of EW about not increasing ofensive actions and esentially telling us "go play Sage" which as said before doesn't tackle any problem and now with the recent "go play ultimate" which once again doesn't solve absolutely anything.

As harsh as this may sound they need to get their head out of their ass when it comes to healers and start giving it the same treatment they do with dps instead of being hell bent on making the job so simple even a monkey coudn't fail

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

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Ohhhh did not know he played the White Mage. Hmm.. this may explain why it is fricken bonkers in PvP right now.

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

What game are you playing where Healers can prevent a wipe with healing? Because at least ime, it isnt FFXIV. Most unavoidable damage takes 1-2 oGCDs to heal the whole party up again. And a lot avoidable damage just kills you if you stand in it.
In fact most wipes i see in EX+ content is the result of people eating instant death mechanics.
And i haven't seen any wipes in normal content outside of week one, where noone knows what's going on yet.

And ESP. During dungeons, there's little to no use for Healers depending on the Tank in question. WAR just never needs healing and half the paladins i run into start spamming clemency if they are below 80% health.
And even DRK and GNB are usualy more than fine with just throwing them 1-3 oGCDs each trash pull.

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Almost every group I get into that consists of more than 4 people healers won't heal and dps end up dying every single time. It's insane the amount of times I have died in a group when doing mechanics just not being healed due to over all alliance damage being done to the group. I died 9 times in one group I would wait til there was no big splash damage get up after raise not get healed just to die again over and over and over this is all the while I am doing all the mechanics and avoiding everything. These healers I keep getting into groups with just don't care to heal and it's frustrating because a lot of people just use it as a get Q faster scenario and could careless about the party.

We should tie Yoshi-P to a chair like that one scene in A Clockwork Orange except he’s forced to watch healer gameplay instead of brainwashing stuff. He’ll be physically unable to let a job have less than 20 dps buttons ever again.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

We should tie Yoshi-P to a chair like that one scene in A Clockwork Orange except he’s forced to watch healer gameplay instead of brainwashing stuff. He’ll be physically unable to let a job have less than 20 dps buttons ever again.

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I wouldn't agree with this method given it's barbarism at that point - I'd prefer he actually get his hands on Healers and play them for a long period of time - similar to how much he plays BLM on his off time.

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Originally Posted by technole

I didn't get to play with YoshiP during the ARR launch, but he played Black Mage on controller with the next table during the Titan Challenge. Of course, it's his baby since the beginning and always will be. The job can never be the best nor can it ever be behind. Has a pretty good quality of life at 90, real fluid job.

Foxclon is a White Mage main. He posts his farming ventures on twitter a lot so he does play when he's not working quite a bit. I just look at Sage as the designers seem to understand what people want, just the battle content team needs to align more content that uses the full kit like often, and stop hand holding casual content too much. We'll see what ultimate is on the heal test scale.

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Nah it's not the battle content that is the issue, it's very much the gameplay itself, and this has been discussed an innumerable amount of times. No matter how hard, it'll always be about optimizing the highest number of glare/broil/dosis/malefic you do, and there's no alternative.
In essence, sage is perfection to me, it shields and heals by dpsing, which is my kind of gameplay and is all I could ask for (along with a pet healer but the pet became a mere aura a while ago). But it's still dosis spam.
In the current savage you can get away with using half of your CDs, and the next ultimate might require some more, but that won't change the clunky foundation.

I've brought this up a few times, but Toxikon being oGCD could be a simple game changer, in the same line that Misery was made dps neutral. And suddenly you heal to do dmg and don't lose any doing so. There might be overhealing or overtuning for burst phases but you get the idea. There's an infinite number of things they could do but they won't even acknowledge healer gameplay issues.

I just want to see him do it to fully understand that healers are frustrated that they essentially have 2 buttons (1 really) to do the MSQ with from lvl 4 to lvl 90.

It's a disgrace on the job design team that it's languished like this for 4+ years.

I think a year is too short. Also agree with making him playing Hrothgar. And it can't be on a development server.

Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of all the things the community wants Yoshi-P to do yet? Because I'd pay real money to read it.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of all the things the community wants Yoshi-P to do yet? Because I'd pay real money to read it.

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there is one but its kind of outdated and in my opinion bloaed with more irrelevant stuff like glamour options

I am also in support of the OPs proposition. Even if only for Yoshi to drop the mic, waving double birds while back-stepping to the stage's exit Ken Jeong style after completing the year and not changing a thing.

Probably a good thing I'm not a producer/developer.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

there is one but its kind of outdated and in my opinion bloaed with more irrelevant stuff like glamour options

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I know, I need to update it, but getting motivation to do so is quite difficult when Yoshida straight up told me to go play ultimate. But a summary would not be a summary without minor issues as well as major ones

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I am also in support of the OPs proposition. Even if only for Yoshi to drop the mic, waving double birds while back-stepping to the stage's exit Ken Jeong style after completing the year and not changing a thing.

Probably a good thing I'm not a producer/developer.

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Nah that would be when he reveals that he's been a healer main the entire time and has just been trying to remove the stigma of healer being hard and full of responsibility so more ppl would try it... XD

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

I know, I need to update it, but getting motivation to do so is quite difficult when Yoshida straight up told me to go play ultimate. But a summary would not be a summary without minor issues as well as major ones

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i disagree. "summary" implies brevity, and brevity necessitates to highlight only the most important bits. else it would be Extensive List Of Healer Issues.

personal feelings aside, are you planning to make a new post or edit the existing one? if youre not motivated i could maybe post one myself using yours as a template. therse no pms here but theres pms in game i guess lol

Glamour is also one imporant piece while we're at it. They just keep releasing dresses with frills and tidbits and whatnot. The latest tomestones 590 gear had a plated chest but it still had to be a dress in the end.

I agree with this and the Hrothgar thread. Guy really needs to learn the struggle of both the Hrothgar race limitation and the plight of the homogenized healers so both can be fixed properly. :/

Inb4 he actually already played a healer, and the current situation fitted how he envisioned a healer /giggle

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Inb4 he actually already played a healer, and the current situation fitted how he envisioned a healer.

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Although we can almost guarantee that he's at least played as a healer, it's a little different to play as a healer "once in a while" as opposed to playing one exclusively through all content, right?
I honestly do wonder if his decision-making would be altered for all jobs if he just played each one from the beginning of the game to the end, without the aid of development tools (although this would take forever, so I doubt he ever would).

The man plays a black mage lala exclusively. You can't be this based and also be put in charge of balancing

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Originally Posted by QooEr

i disagree. "summary" implies brevity, and brevity necessitates to highlight only the most important bits. else it would be Extensive List Of Healer Issues.

personal feelings aside, are you planning to make a new post or edit the existing one? if youre not motivated i could maybe post one myself using yours as a template. therse no pms here but theres pms in game i guess lol

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Definitions of summary aside, it was going to be editing the current one.
The entire plan of it was to update it as the patches came and went as different issues either got addressed or got added.

Not that it matters much given SE doesn't listen. Though I should warn you that since I've unsubbed out of frustration, you'll need to maintain it 3 weeks today :P

Signed. Also add having to do so on a brand new hrothgar character, too. Just for extra suffering.

Wait wait.....let me get this straight first.......

You want him to take the DPS wheels off but yet want more DPS options on a healing job?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Wait wait.....let me get this straight first.......

You want him to take the DPS wheels off but yet want more DPS options on a healing job?

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Yes, cause right now dpsing is the vast majority of what we do yet most of it is just 1 button spam. Since Yoshi-p seems so fixed on that idea of healers working (with a lot of dismissal or outright wrong answers/justifications in the past) some feel that experience those healer by himself would show its design flaws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbWubxOTUWU Just dropping this here cause there is so much truth here.

I fully agree with this petition. Let him see how fun it is to play a "healer''.

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

I mean the whole reply was just a long winded way to das 'no we don't get the question is about engaging content. Think of the sprouts! Can't make content difficult (again question was about engaging not diffoculty or Challenge)so go play ultimate to feel more Challenged.

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I miss stance dancing.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Quick reminder that his answer during the live letter was way more involved than just "Go play Ultimate" and that a solid argument isn't based on a three word reduction of a much lengthier response.

Carry on.

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Great way to not actually pay attention to what he said - which still boils down to the fact that he doesn't care.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

I miss stance dancing.

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I sure as hell don't. That crap was a nightmare when your Healer forgot to swap back and then the party died.

Yeah stance dances were meh for most classes, both Tank and healer.

Only class I think it could have been salvaged on was WAR because of how some skills changed depending on stance.

cleric stance should just stay dead.

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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But people arent saying healers should be difficult. Just a bit more substantial. Honestly really all they need is 1 or 2 more buttons for extra dps options and we wouldnt be having this conversation.


Ok probably there will still be some salty healers being salty anyway but what I said above goes a long way for current veteran healers to feel more engaged.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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I think the real problem is the kit healers have is so bloated it makes it even more confusing for new players to know which button is the right one to press. Also if the healer is struggling to keep the group up, adding more complexity to the dps "rotation" isn't going to effect them at all since they are spending their time (or should be) healing instead of dpsing. All it does is make it so that people that understand how to effectively use the healing kit and can dps have more engagement for the class that they are playing.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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You really think those players fail because the dps kit? for real? Those people simply don't know their kit that's all, is not a fault of the kit but themselves and the lackluster tutorials of the game

I'll rephrase it since you main drg. Do you think the players who do 2k dps as drg at lv90 do that bad because they're worried optimizing their cooldowns? The answer is no, they simply failed to learn their kit or didn't bother to begin with, same with healers but I don't see people saying dps should be boring to keep it easy and prevent them from failing because this argument:

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the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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Can be applied to literallly every single role as most of the players simply are...not precisely the most skilled, as the game has bad tutorials and don't present any challenge that forces them to learn

his tank can only be dark knights too

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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So let's scrape the majority of dps kits because a lot of dps I get in DF are terrible and don't use their skills even remotely properly. We should really keep it easy, maybe just have a single 123 combo and one oGCD. Because someone being bad means that everyone else should suffer, that is how good games are designed... right?
And tanks should only get a 123 combo and one mitigation taht constantly blinks and lights up and lasts for 10min when pressed because apparently it's really difficult as a tank to use their mitigation so better make it eat crayon-level easy. Let all the people who are able to do more than 123 suffer.

If you really believe that 2 dps buttons are the problem, you're completely deluded. More dps buttons won't make healing harder. A higher skill ceiling won't make the basics harder.
Has it ever occured to you that you could scrape every dps button and some healers would still fail to heal because they fail to read their tooltips, put skills on their hotbar and keep their focus on the fight instead of their cat licking its paws in the background?

If I got a Gil for every person saying "N-n-noooo!! More deeps buttons means all the terrible healers will be even MORE terrible and quit and then who will fill muh roulettes and babysits me? Nobody will be able to HEAL if you add a dot or something!" I'd be the richest person on my server, if not DC ....

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Most of the healers I get in regular content are utterly terrible.

They let people die, cause wipes, fail to heal, don't know how to use their buttons, and the whole group grinds to a halt.

It's harder to carry over bad healers than it is anyone else.

So making the healer role harder than it already is will cause people to quit the game because they keep having terrible experiences due to bad healers.

You may think the kit is boring, but it's that way to keep it easy. And as easy as it is, it's still too hard for most healers to use it correctly.

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The issue isn't that healing is hard, the issue is that the game doesn't outright state for healers to DPS while waiting to heal again and does a pretty lowbar job of explaining things in general in terms of HOW to heal.

Also, if you're having an awful time with healers, queue with friends or FC mates instead of allowing random people to ruin your time. Can also always pick up the healer role and just do the job yourself as well. Be the change you want to see and all of that jazz.