Square Enix slowing killing the fun.

Slowly you say, OP.

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Originally Posted by Ayche

The moment you feel the game is no longer giving you want you want, you better move on to other games that match with you better.
And there is no shame in that, nobody needs to justify neither their willingness to play or willingness not to play.
The player community has grown so much over the years that there are just so many different player factions they have to juggle that some are going to feel unserved.

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Well said!

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Originally Posted by MagicalChase

Wow what a friendly community! Definitely not passive aggressive!

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Well what do you want me to say? "Nooooo pls don't leave or I'll cry!" Dude, there's a million other games to play. If you're legit no longer having fun you won't be announcing you're leaving for pity points, you'll just leave.

And yeah, passive aggressive messages lead to passive aggressive response, heh.

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Originally Posted by Maikul

Has anyone else noticed the slow change of every class being more and more brain dead. I don\\'t understand. What\\'s the point of a game with no challenge? Every Expert dungeon you can heal and dps in your sleep. The only challenges left are Savage and Ultimates. The new SAM changes makes it to where there\\'s no reward for knowing your class, same with SMN. We are not all noobs at this game please stop catering to the bad players. I have about 1800 house spent in this game and for the first time I thought about going back to WOW for some type of challenge in the casual content.

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Congrats you discovered you aren't the target audience, do with that what you will.

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Originally Posted by Maikul

Has anyone else noticed the slow change of every class being more and more brain dead. I don\\'t understand. What\\'s the point of a game with no challenge? Every Expert dungeon you can heal and dps in your sleep. The only challenges left are Savage and Ultimates. The new SAM changes makes it to where there\\'s no reward for knowing your class, same with SMN. We are not all noobs at this game please stop catering to the bad players. I have about 1800 house spent in this game and for the first time I thought about going back to WOW for some type of challenge in the casual content.

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On the flip side I have near 14,000 hours and still find enjoyment in this game and welcome the job changes. More buttons doesn’t equal complexity and it certain doesn’t mean depth or challenge. I rarely touch Savage content and mostly participate in DF runs, 24 man content and the occasional Normal Raid once a week. It’s enough content to hold me as my only mmo and I don’t really care if it’s challenging or not I just enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Ellona_Andrivari

Congrats you discovered you aren't the target audience, do with that what you will.

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Correction : not ANYMORE, because the game sure was built to be more complex. The slow downhill starting and being emphasized ever since ShB.

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Originally Posted by Teno

Correction : not ANYMORE, because the game sure was built to be more complex. The slow downhill starting and being emphasized ever since ShB.

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Literally since day 1. It's always been geared towards people wanting a casual mmo experience. Or was them making an entire data center around the rp servers just a fluke?

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Originally Posted by Teno

Correction : not ANYMORE, because the game sure was built to be more complex. The slow downhill starting and being emphasized ever since ShB.

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That is what happens when a game is constant work in progress.

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Originally Posted by Ellona_Andrivari

Literally since day 1. It's always been geared towards people wanting a casual mmo experience. Or was them making an entire data center around the rp servers just a fluke?

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Are you talking Crystal? That was just the moving alot of low pop servers and 2 high pop servers to a new datacenter.

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Originally Posted by seraf

On the flip side I have near 14,000 hours and still find enjoyment in this game and welcome the job changes. More buttons doesn’t equal complexity and it certain doesn’t mean depth or challenge. I rarely touch Savage content and mostly participate in DF runs, 24 man content and the occasional Normal Raid once a week. It’s enough content to hold me as my only mmo and I don’t really care if it’s challenging or not I just enjoy it.

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So care to explain how spamming 1 button 90% of a fight as a healer is engaging or has depth?

WOOT 6.1 expert roulette is 1 dungeon again.

Oh wait they changed it. It's all 4 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Ellona_Andrivari

Literally since day 1. It's always been geared towards people wanting a casual mmo experience. Or was them making an entire data center around the rp servers just a fluke?

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Absolutely not since day 1 in terms of gameplay. Compare what healers used to have versus now, please. Compare DRK, AST, SCH, so on and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Ellona_Andrivari

Literally since day 1. It's always been geared towards people wanting a casual mmo experience. Or was them making an entire data center around the rp servers just a fluke?

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You either never played the game properly or you just started the game.
and yes crystal was entirely unintentional you must be out of your gourd if you think that was intentional.

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Originally Posted by Nekokaori

I mean ast fun got destoryed after stormblood

and honestly i use to enjoy gladitor/pally flash it got removed completely

tanks scourge,fracture etc outside pally got removed

Warrior- no longer fun

even in some of the caster jobs they got ruined and the fun destoryed for many ppl (personally i find new summoner more fun but not enough abilitys yet)

noone cared and what was said was easily dismissed for both casters/tanks and healers


the stack bs is stupid on berserk and other abilitys the timer of it u could get more than 4-5 ups with it if you were intelligent

and now it happans to mele ppl some how cares lol

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SB Ast was peak Ast. ShB was meh but EW I just can't use it. It's not Ast to me

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

1.0 didn't fail because it tried to reboot a grindy time sink based horizontal MMO in a world that had been swept off it's feet by the vertical theme park concept.

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I want to address this one because it was the worst idea that SE had when making 1.0, it put them in competition with themselves by making XIV and XI appeal to the same playerbase. Right now they have 2 MMOs that are consistently profitable by making XIV and XI very different.

Saddest thing is that button bloat hasn't been a problem since Heavensward. And it was a pretty big problem then! But I think they did a very good job of addressing it in ShB and even StB. But then they made it worse in EW and proceeded to "fix" it by removing skills people like instead of the good solution they already came up with of turning single-target skills into AoEs with fall-off.

Like... why???

I mean, we all know why, but why.

It is the Year 2032 and the new FFXIV expansion 'Tataru's Revengeance' is about to drop. The patch notes are revealed...every job now has a one button rotation. With optional toggle.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Wait till FF17.

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Inb4 they will learn nothing and use Luminous Engine for their next MMO AGAIN.

That would be because thanks to a certain mass bandwagon people that don't like mmos are now playing the mmo and the developers are listening to people that don't like the genre of their game. Pressing more than 3 buttons is too hard, plz change. I have to interact with other players in the online game, plz change. etc.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

LOL this is because they are doing this because it sells. Remember they made FFXIV 1.0 for you people it failed and they had to rebuild the entire game. They took away features you people like such as the Cross Class System. Strangers of Paradise which was made for again, you people it failed because no one bought it but you people. Games that you consider good or was made for you people tend to go free2play and die.

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It failed for numerous reasons but it wasn't the people, it was the original dev not listening to player base, even YoshiP said this on the 1st anniversary on the 18th floor event in game when he apologized for not listening to the us the players and now they are going full circle and starting to ignore the player base. The game was riddle with everything from only being able to play for a certain amount at start, to the horrendous latency issue with the UI and other technical issues all because a director that is no longer there did not want to listen. The classes are becoming to homogenize honestly and people have a right to voice their frustrations. I mean take a look and read through the JP side of things. THe sentiment is the same about the SAM and NIN changes. The devs are not in touch with the players.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

I'm just disappointed that every job is becoming homogenized such that there's going to be very little difference in playstyle other than how the effects look.

The steps recently taken by SE to FF14 seems to steer towards casting as wide a net as possible to attract all sorts of players, and this usually alienates the more dedicated/hardcore players which is usually the most loyal part of its player base. Whenever something like this happens in a game, the more dedicated players will become disenchanted and eventually quit, leaving behind a casual player base which has little loyalty and flock to whichever game is the flavor of the month.

Eventually, this will lead into a death spiral where there are lesser and lesser players and the game eventually dies. Already, we are already seeing signs of this happening, which is really sad since FF14 is a game with so much potential and SE is squandering it away to appeal to the lowest denominator.

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The other side of that is that they cannot afford to appeal to only the dedicated/hardcore group. A few thousand players is not enough to keep the lights on and the servers running, let alone develop new content.

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Originally Posted by Chawan

I personally would prefer less buttons to push. lol I think they could prune a lot of class buttons. When class buttons moves beyond the two default action bars, it is too much imo. I am the type of person though that like things to just be fun and simple. Not necessarily overly easy I guess but easy to understand wtf is happening and why, and what i need to do. More buttons does not necessarily mean more complex or more difficult.. it just means clutter imo.. adding difficulty or complexity by adding buttons it is more artificial imo..

Also you got to think most players might not play like you do. Maybe they have some data somewhere that tells them that the average player is not at the play level as people like yourself. Usually these game companies tend to cater to the people in which gives them the most money. That is usually the normies/ casual players, cause they move through the content slower and thus have higher potential to give them money for longer periods of time and there are more of them... So I would imagine that , those are the types of people that will be catered to most often.
So it could honestly be set up that ffxiv is not a game built with people who are decently good at games in mind..

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For SAM they removed one button and look at the reaction it has gotten. That makes no sense. I'd get it if people were happy who wanted to play SAM but thought it was too complex and SE removed like 4 or 5 buttons and made some abilities auto switch to the next in line. Theres no way the people for this change actually played SAM, were bad at it and the one thing stopping them from doing good was 1 button. Also its a very cool button that added some depth to resource management and looked cool. Theres better ways to go about button bloat but removing abilities that help with class identity are not the way.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

The other side of that is that they cannot afford to appeal to only the dedicated/hardcore group. A few thousand players is not enough to keep the lights on and the servers running, let alone develop new content.

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I really don't think that you need to be a hardcore player to manage your base rotation for any of the Jobs.
And people who only play casual content don't even need to do it, and they're never going to engage with content where it even matters.

A ton of SAM players never use Higanbana and the list goes on for SAM and other jobs too I don't think that means that we need to remove stuff just so that they can perform closer to people who actually do play properly.
It doesn't even matter to anyone other than people who do the more difficult content so why should it be dictated by people who basically don't make an effort at all and just want to see the MSQ and/ or play casually?

Even so I don't think that casual players are as bad as people sometimes say even tho I am using the word here myself.
I think most casual players are fully capable of learning their rotations and clearing Extremes at least and most if not all floors in Savage.
It feels more like the game is going in the direction of appealing to people who don't even want to try and learn, like the response is to just remove and dumb things down in response.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Don't know what you're talking about, jobs are still very complex and unique.
https://i.imgur.com/00C3i05.gif

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Okay this had me cackling like an idiot.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/hvq8ONQhQ1XLq/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by Nekokaori

I mean ast fun got destoryed after stormblood

and honestly i use to enjoy gladitor/pally flash it got removed completely

tanks scourge,fracture etc outside pally got removed

Warrior- no longer fun

even in some of the caster jobs they got ruined and the fun destoryed for many ppl (personally i find new summoner more fun but not enough abilitys yet)

noone cared and what was said was easily dismissed for both casters/tanks and healers


the stack bs is stupid on berserk and other abilitys the timer of it u could get more than 4-5 ups with it if you were intelligent

and now it happans to mele ppl some how cares lol

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Monk was taken to out back as well with the new Nadi system and all of our oGCDs going away. =/ lol they kept six-sided star and anatman haha

DPS main but I LOVED AST up until they ripped all our cards and time magic from us. Now it feels like an empty shell of a job ever since. SMN too, gutted. It’s insulting, and nauseating. I started super fresh mid HW and maxed every job through ShB, and never once did I sit back and say “oh wow wish they’d make this job or rotation easier, this is SOOO hard to comprehend for my feeble brain!!!” Like give me a break. Quit insulting the player base. We are not morons. Knock it off.