Give OCE players a free transfer off their dead datacenter.

See, everybody who stayed knew that it would be a bad que there, so they put up with the lag and didn't go.
So the ques are horrible there.

Self fufilling prophecy.

Now people who are there, are seeing the horribles ques, and wanting to leave.
So the ques become worse.

Again the prophecy is fufilled.

Making loud threads about this is actually going to make more people flee, make the ques worse, and keep people from migrating over there.

What you needed to do was pretend that things were FINE, and encourage everybody to come over, tell them the ping is so much better, and you can't belive how well it runs.

And after months and months of keeping up the scam, just as the next expansion came out, things really WOULD have been good there.

Now it's just going to be a place where botfarmers raise the bots because they can get an exp bonus due to the servers needing more players.

lol this happens every time a game adds an OCE server and its why so many companies are always hesitant to add them.

it's a little frustrating knowing the amount of time and effort it takes to set up a physical data centre -- let alone during a chip shortage -- and now the people on there are angry there's nobody to play with but i'd like to remind people that there was a not insignificant push from JP players who hated sharing their servers with OCE which is the actual reason why this happened.

they were straight-up celebrating when it happened. so before you go off blaming the people on there just try to remember that they weren't the only ones asking for this and it would've happened either way.

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it's a little frustrating knowing the amount of time and effort it takes to set up a physical data centre -- let alone during a chip shortage -- and now the people on there are angry there's nobody to play with but i'd like to remind people that there was a not insignificant push from JP players who hated sharing their servers with OCE which is the actual reason why this happened.

they were straight-up celebrating when it happened. so before you go off blaming the people on there just try to remember that they weren't the only ones asking for this and it would've happened either way.

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I think it's fairly well known that the OCE datacentre isn't for OCE players, it's to get rid of them for the Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

I think it's fairly well known that the OCE datacentre isn't for OCE players, it's to get rid of them for the Japanese.

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They know too much...

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Originally Posted by Denji

it's a little frustrating knowing the amount of time and effort it takes to set up a physical data centre -- let alone during a chip shortage -- and now the people on there are angry there's nobody to play with but i'd like to remind people that there was a not insignificant push from JP players who hated sharing their servers with OCE which is the actual reason why this happened.

they were straight-up celebrating when it happened. so before you go off blaming the people on there just try to remember that they weren't the only ones asking for this and it would've happened either way.

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Well I mean no one is pointing a gun at players forcing them to move to Oceania servers or else?

At this point, we can likely conclude that Oceania servers are a failed experiment and could be due for shut down in the future of player population keeps plummetting, especially when players are allowed to transfer off Materia once the 90 days lock on period is up.

Queues are absolutely horrendous here when I had tank/heal queues exceeding 10 minutes during Oceania prime time.

Can't imagine many people wanting to stay on these dead servers except for those who just want to play house decorators.

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...At this point, we can likely conclude that Oceania servers are a failed experiment and could be due for shut down in the future of player population keeps plummetting, especially when players are allowed to transfer off Materia once the 90 days lock on period is up.

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I think we might see a small number of very vocal 90 EW finished players leave, but I think the bulk of players are not old transferred characters, and they will stay and keep growing slowly.

However, if SE did close down the OCE datacentre then the JP players are going to see an even bigger influx of Aussie/NZ/Thai/Pacific players into their DC as all those many new alts - with NA mains - move into JP.

Are you people OCE players expecting OCE datacentre is just going to be like other datacenter that established for more than 10 years?
Isn't that kind off?

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Queues are absolutely horrendous here when I had tank/heal queues exceeding 10 minutes during Oceania prime time.

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You had to wait ten WHOLE minutes? :)

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At this point, we can likely conclude that Oceania servers are a failed experiment and could be due for shut down in the future of player population keeps plummetting, especially when players are allowed to transfer off Materia once the 90 days lock on period is up.

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We cant conclude anything of the sort. We are busy and happy, the almost zero ping gameplay is a revelation..now we know what we have been missing out on for years. I also seem to remember NA kicking , screaming and holding their breath till they turned blue when WOW OCE servers were announced.

Go ahead and transfer off if you wish, we have plenty more on the way.

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Can't imagine many people wanting to stay on these dead servers except for those who just want to play house decorators.

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OCE is growing slowly and will continue to do so, 6.1 will see a major influx. The servers arent being closed, and they arent being handed to NA.

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Are you people OCE players expecting OCE datacentre is just going to be like other datacenter that established for more than 10 years?
Isn't that kind off?

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No. I was expecting them to address the low population with the idea to open cross region with NA at least. Not utter radio silence. Everyone knew OCE was going to be extremely low pop.

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No. I was expecting them to address the low population with the idea to open cross region with NA at least. Not utter radio silence. Everyone knew OCE was going to be extremely low pop.

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Are you expecting NA to deal with bad ping while that was one of the reason you asked for an OCE server? Your bad ping?
The only good way for OCE to thrive, is to get more OCE people to play. So, get to recruiting people. Chop chop

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Originally Posted by hagare

Are you expecting NA to deal with bad ping while that was one of the reason you asked for an OCE server? Your bad ping?
The only good way for OCE to thrive, is to get more OCE people to play. So, get to recruiting people. Chop chop

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To be fair, I play from NA and my ping is hardly ever an issue. I can run most, if not all content and watch other people die while I dodge and do my normal thing without an issue. Wouldn't blame that as a reason for others to not play on it and I've had friends from EST, CST and PST try it out.

Instead of being rude about it and making assumptions, why not go make an alt and try out the ping yourself? Chop chop.

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To be fair, I play from NA and my ping is hardly ever an issue. I can run most content and watch other people die while I dodge and do my normal thing without an issue. Wouldn't blame that as a reason for others to not play on it and I've had friends from EST, CST and PST try it out.

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You play in OCE from NA? Dang.
what is your average ping?

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You play in OCE from NA? Dang.
what is your average ping?

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I don't look nor care. I just run content and it's butter smooth.
Good enough for me.

ignorance sure is bliss

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Are you expecting NA to deal with bad ping while that was one of the reason you asked for an OCE server? Your bad ping?
The only good way for OCE to thrive, is to get more OCE people to play. So, get to recruiting people. Chop chop

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Im from NA and have no issues playing there as well. If they dont want to lets us cross-travel with the JP servers then NA wouldn’t be bad option

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You play in OCE from NA? Dang.
what is your average ping?

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You can see the latency here:
https://is.xivup.com/adv

~200 ms is ... playable. :)

Cheers

I play with an alt on Sophia and I live on the East Coast of the US and the game plays fine for me. I do get a Poor Connection status on my log in screen but that is the case for my alt in Japan as well and the game plays fine there too.

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Im from NA and have no issues playing there as well. If they dont want to lets us cross-travel with the JP servers then NA wouldn’t be bad option

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wonder why more OCE players don't have your way of thinking.
Just play in NA. Oh wait. They chose to play in JP DC instead xD

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You can see the latency here:
https://is.xivup.com/adv

~200 ms is ... playable. :)

Cheers

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holy shit that's twice of mine xD

Look, if you have 80% GCD uptime (like some posters here do) it really isn't a big deal to play with 200 ping. The fact that your animation lock is pretty much doubled isn't a problem if you just don't press buttons.

But that doesn't mean that XIV is "playable" with decent performance with such ping.

Lucky Bancho stats are out.

These are the links (hopefully the google translated link sticks):

Sephirot - Japanese Translated
Ravana - Japanese Translated
Sophia - Japanese Translated
Zurvan - Japanese Translated
Bismarck - Japanese Translated

The Level distribution histograms tell a lot, they clearly show the number of "tourists", those who just used OCE for the 15 free days. They also show where the bulks of tanks/dps/healers are level wise.

FC numbers are interesting too, the level of 1 to 4 person FCs gives a moderate indication of shells.

Late edit:

Found out how to grab the combined DC stats.

Japanese Translated.

15,260 level 90 DPS / 9,489 level 90 tanks / 10,559 level 90 healers

Biggest FC has 413 characters.

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Are you expecting NA to deal with bad ping while that was one of the reason you asked for an OCE server? Your bad ping?
The only good way for OCE to thrive, is to get more OCE people to play. So, get to recruiting people. Chop chop

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Check my profile. I play on NA and so does my OCE community. Ping isn't an issue, never has been and I nor my community asked for an OCE datacentre. Happy they offered it, sad they leaving it to rot.

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wonder why more OCE players don't have your way of thinking.
Just play in NA. Oh wait. They chose to play in JP DC instead xD

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What are you on? The entire Aus/NZ community isn't on JP. How about you get a clue what you're talking about, chop chop.

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holy shit that's twice of mine xD

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What do you do with your great ping? Judging from your Lodestone, it's not any end game content. So, what do you know?

And this graphic shows characters that existed in January then moved into Materia. Including the number who moved from each server and where they moved to.

23,829 transferred characters that existed at the start of the year 03/JAN/22 -> 10/APR/22.

https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckyban...83ba9425-s.png

Sorry but I had server queues on Friday night and there were around 20 PXSavage groups in the duty finder. No roulette is longer than 10 minutes even for DPS and most are 4-5 mins even at like 2am on a weeknight (and are insta pop for tanks and healers).

You'll have to pardon me if I take population complaints with a grain of salt.

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No. I was expecting them to address the low population with the idea to open cross region with NA at least. Not utter radio silence. Everyone knew OCE was going to be extremely low pop.

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That defeats whole purpose of OCE data center isn’t it?
Whole reason of OCE players to get their own datacenter is to resolve ping issue to begin with

This is called the consequences of getting what you asked for.

I have been spending most of my game time over the last month on a Sophia alt clearing post-ARR and then skipped to Shadowbringers, so cleaning up all the sidequest unlocks, Omega, Ivalice, Mhach. (Not sure if I want to do Alexander or enjoy not being available for A1N/A2N. Glamour needs will probably win out eventually.)

Getting into the raids for a clear has been a waiting process, but it can easily be like that on Elemental as well, having raised several alts there at times when the raids aren't current content. There's very often a party or two in PF to get into the Ivalice raids, and they do fill and run, so people aren't stuck as long as they have a bit of patience – but again that's nothing unique for unlocking old side content.

On the other hand, I suspect that there might be an imbalance towards tanks/healers and away from DPS, with too many people using them thinking it will be the quickest queue. Seeing "DPS in need" for levelling is not unusual and I have occasionally had an instant queue as DPS even if they're not displayed as the required role.

I also have not had much issue selling things. I bought up a fair bit of glamour on Elemental before transferring the character over, and have been selling it for more than I paid – not everything sells quickly but I've made the money back that I spent, so someone else has to be rich enough to pay admittedly inflated prices for glamour here currently. (But I trust that a trickle of undercutting will sort out the overpriced things, especially as more people move in and have things to sell.)

Overall, the data centre is fairly quiet but I'm not surprised when it's still new. Certainly not time to declare it a failed experiment already.

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I think it's fairly well known that the OCE datacentre isn't for OCE players, it's to get rid of them for the Japanese.

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Ehn.
A lot of posts have been "you get what you asked for!" when many were simply misled by — to be blunt — racist Japanese players who don't like sharing their servers.

I have a decent grasp of Japanese and honestly some of the things I've seen them say in the past is not only pretty terrible but it's very rare for the GMs to intervene. Don't even get me started on the things JP ff players say on twitter. (The jp user with the n-word retainer arguing it isn't racist immediately comes to mind...)

So all I'm saying is this isn't really OCE's fault.

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The best solution would be to allow cross data centre travel between OCE and JP. This "logical" DC travel means nothing for OCE as there's only one OCE DC.

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Like a nice pair! NA with EU and OCE with JP.

They should at least allow NA and EU to be able to visit OCE but it would make the JP servers look more like an outlier so it probably won't happen.

Feel like they might break down and allow cross region visit later on, likely they just want to see the effects of the base version 1st, they could tighten the restrictions more for cross region if need be, no market, maybe no solo df and only pf groups, who knows...

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They need to open up DC travel for OCE 5 servers isn't enough to support the gameplay. 24 man content is extremely hard to get parties for.

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DC travel won't necessarily do much. Consider that many players left for OCE because they live in that region and had really poor ping over the all the transocean cables. What is DC travel going to do for those players? Imagine if they could travel to another DC just to do DF or PF. They'd be back where they started - poor ping.

I feel players should do their part. They invested heavily in that because they thought players wanted it. Now that it’s a reality players are deciding maybe I don’t want that after all.

From the developers perspective and after reading this thread title I wouldn’t care about this player base anymore. If that’s how they feel it was a mistake to listen to them. Not worth going though all the work of investing big money on new servers and carefully setting them up for you all.

The data center was put in for you. It’s up to the players to make it come alive and work. If not, it wasn’t square or the game that failed you. It was you that failed yourselves.

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I feel players should do their part. They invested heavily in that because they thought players wanted it. Now that it’s a reality players are deciding maybe I don’t want that after all.

From the developers perspective and after reading this thread title I wouldn’t care about this player base anymore. If that’s how they feel it was a mistake to listen to them. Not worth going though all the work of investing big money on new servers and carefully setting them up for you all.

The data center was put in for you. It’s up to the players to make it come alive and work. If not, it wasn’t square or the game that failed you. It was you that failed yourselves.

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Keep in mind the number of OCE players posting in this thread is small compared to the total players on the data center. Most game developers aren't going to pay too much attention to the vocal outliers in forums when they've got real data at their fingertips telling them what is actually going on.

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From the developers perspective and after reading this thread title I wouldn’t care about this player base anymore. If that’s how they feel it was a mistake to listen to them.

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I would be concerned if the devs judge the success of the entire data centre on the title of a thread from one person who has posted, as far as I've seen, the majority of negative threads about the data centre.

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Sorry but I had server queues on Friday night and there were around 20 PXSavage groups in the duty finder. No roulette is longer than 10 minutes even for DPS and most are 4-5 mins even at like 2am on a weeknight (and are insta pop for tanks and healers).

You'll have to pardon me if I take population complaints with a grain of salt.

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I had a blast on Friday night! Healer queues are less than 5 minutes and I was surprise MSQ trials and dungeons took 10 minutes at most :D

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Keep in mind the number of OCE players posting in this thread is small compared to the total players on the data center. Most game developers aren't going to pay too much attention to the vocal outliers in forums when they've got real data at their fingertips telling them what is actually going on.

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Its true really. I doubt a successful company like SE will invest millions in infrastructure willy nilly. The board would never approve such reckless spending xD I'm guilty of whining because I have time to play on a school day evening doesnt mean every ff14 player had to x:D

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I mean, this speaks for itself really, L M A O. Glad to have your relevant opinion on these forums.

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ooh. nice editing.
Almost like the OCE server has been around since 5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Lucky Bancho stats are out.

These are the links (hopefully the google translated link sticks):

Sephirot - Japanese Translated
Ravana - Japanese Translated
Sophia - Japanese Translated
Zurvan - Japanese Translated
Bismarck - Japanese Translated

The Level distribution histograms tell a lot, they clearly show the number of "tourists", those who just used OCE for the 15 free days. They also show where the bulks of tanks/dps/healers are level wise.


Biggest FC has 413 characters.

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The 413 is a meme fc that is full of level 1-30 alts

wasnt it obvious that a completely new data centre would need some time to get a decent amount of players? new players dont just appear out of nowhere on day 1... and other players have their home on the old datacentre. of course not all of them gonna go to the new one.